The player/rper issue with the mudball/snowball memento and harassment of rpers

Rave the Histborn

Noxavian wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

Pauls wrote: »

People nowadays like to pretend being offended or harassed, now catch my mudball

It makes it harder when people exaggerate things, that is for sure. There is truth to the statement that, in our world of constant information, unless something is exaggerated, no one even notices. Still, at some point, it is no longer an exaggeration. The pretending becomes real, as does the harassment. I think an hour of mudballing the same unwilling people meets that bar.

An hour of mudballing someone is a major loss for the other person. If you ignore them and just let them sit there for hours doing it, they're losing hours of time for basically no reason.

Not to mention during this time you could always change locations.

While yeah it's annoying, it still isn't harassment. Especially when you have the option to ignore it with no draw backs or just simply move to another place. It's a video game, changing locations takes less than 5min.

This! Harassment has an actual definition to it and part of being harassed is it has to continue over an extended period (not just 1hour) and you need to also make attempts to get away from the person bothering you.

Arunei

@Noxavian
So harassment has to be physical now before it can be counted as such? Because that's what your whole "is it coming through the screen and hitting you" thing implies. Harassment also doesn't have to hurt anyone's feelings, or have you never heard of things like stalking, or sexual harassment? People might not be typically physically hurt or have their 'feelings' hurt, but they're still considered harassment and are also illegal.

And as I've already explained, changing locations isn't always the answer. RPers shouldn't have to essentially be driven away from where they're RPing just because someone decides it's funny to sit there and be an inconsiderate a-hole, and not even considering that, if an RP calls for a specific location type, 'just changing locations' is hardly going to work, unless everyone in the RP wants to reschedule for another day to allow time to look for another fitting location. And then what sort of signal does that send? It tells the troll that they won because they drove the RPers away and interrupted what they were doing.

Maybe instead of making excuses for why this isn't harassment (which I've also explained 100% is, because of the simple fact that the people doing this are specifically targeting RPers for 30-60+ minutes rather than targeting other people who are around), you could agree that people just maybe don't be jerks to each other and not do it in the first place? Besides that, the TOS disagrees with you on what counts as harassment, as it's stated that anything that is done to purposefully disrupt another person's experience in the game can be considered as such. And guess what? Being camped for an hour or longer by someone with a Memento and no sense of common courtesy, trying to force people away from any given spot or just wanting to grief them, 100% falls under that category.

Edit to add that I'm not trying to equate Snow/Mudball/Crow Memento harassment to actual harmful types of harassment such as the ones I mentioned, nor am I trying to trivialize them. I've been a victim of stalking myself and know it's nothing to take lightly. My point in mentioning them was to point out there are numerous types of harassment, not just ones that cause physical or emotional damage. The harassment in-game is nothing compared to irl harassment that people experience, but it still is harassment as defined by the TOS itself, regardless of what anyone else feels constitutes as harassment in-game.

Integral1900

If it makes you feel any better I just deleted my 10000th mudball pouch today. I seem to be the only one cleaning junk out of the inventory of 4 guilds and as far as I’m concerned these things qualify. It’s petty but it makes me feel better 😇

Kittytravel

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

This! Harassment has an actual definition to it and part of being harassed is it has to continue over an extended period (not just 1hour) and you need to also make attempts to get away from the person bothering you.

What?
So if I'm at a bar and a guy comes to up to me and starts sexually harassing me and I ask him to leave and he replied with "Only if you leave with me." I'm supposed to leave the bar instead of telling the establishment I have an issue?

Just... what???...

And ONE HOUR of repetitive action doesn't count as harassment??? What the hell is an extended period of time to you? Hey throw me your address so I can ring your doorbell for 1 hour everyday. It's not harassment; and you also need to leave your house so you can get away from me bothering you.

Do you understand how terrible your logic is? I'm really hoping you're saying all that sarcastically.

Arunei

@Kittytravel
It honestly doesn't matter what they, or anyone else for that matter, feel does or doesn't count as harassment. The TOS states any action that's done to purposefully disrupt another person's experience can be counted as harassment. Now obviously this is within reason, like if someone harvests a node I'm clearly running to I can't count that as harassment, even though it might be very mildly annoying. But I'm pretty sure a person who camps RPers (and again I feel I have to stress that these people only target RPers and not the other people who might be around) for an hour or longer falls under the category of someone who's doing that 'purposefully disrupting other players' experience' thing. So they can try and use convoluted logic to excuse it, but the simple fact is the TOS itself states that what is described by the OP and by many of us posting does indeed fall under the harassment category.

Also these people saying "oh just move" or using other excuses aren't, I feel, considering the fact that these people are generally targeting RPers not just once in a day, but often time numerous times a day and for an extended number of days. I know one guy who literally spent every day mudballing RPers at the Withered Tree for hours. Not naming names because of forum rules but I'm sure anyone who spent any time at the Tree a few years back knows who I'm talking about. He eventually stopped, mostly because I think he stopped really playing ESO (he was mainly a PvE/PvP guy).

So it's not like these are isolated cases happening once in a while, there are people who literally make this what they spend hours doing, sometimes every day for days, weeks, or even years. Edit to add this also means any individual RPer isn't only experiencing being harassed once in a while, if they're attempting to RP at a hub in the world, because of the simple fact that the trolls will gather there daily to do their whole spiels. Being told we can just change locations is basically being told we don't have a right to RP at any given place because the trolls are more entitled to chasing us off than we are to be there. Which is utterly ridiculous given ZOS gave us two channels specifically for RP purpose, aka /s and /e.

ArchangelIsraphel

I still cant believe that there are people willing to defend the fact that people are having things done to them in game that they dislike, and seem to blame them rather than realizing that when another human being says "no, please stop" It is wrong to continue doing what you're doing. It doesn't matter what nitty gritty words you use to define it. Why is it so hard to see that another human has asked you to stop?

It's as if their entire mentality is "What do you mean you don't want me to do what I'm doing? I have every right to keep doing this to you until you fix it. I am not responsible for my own behavior or desire to deliberately disrupt what you are doing. What do you mean I need to exercise self control? My lack of ability to control myself is your responsibility, you need to remove all temptations from my path so that I won't do this to you, even though you just said no and asked me not to."

Do you really need an exact definition of "harassment" dictated to you by someone else telling you that something is wrong to recognize and have empathy for others who have asked, repeatedly, to have measures implemented for this to stop? The fact that this thread even exists should be enough to make people realize that this is a problem.

Nothing is lost to anyone by having this problem addressed through a simple toggle. Nothing.

Arunei

ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »

It's as if their entire mentality is "What do you mean you don't want me to do what I'm doing? I have every right to keep doing this to you until you fix it. I am not responsible for my own behavior or desire to deliberately disrupt what you are doing. What do you mean I need to exercise self control? My lack of ability to control myself is your responsibility, you need to remove all temptations from my path so that I won't do this to you, even though you just said no and asked me not to."

Perfectly sums it up, right here. RPers are basically being told it's our problem to fix, and excusing the people doing it, rather than holding them accountable for their own actions. "Oh you can just move locations", or maybe people could simply not be jerks and camp RPers with their Mementos? "Oh you can just ignore it", except for the fact that the Mementos literally break any emote you're doing to force a reaction animation on you, thus making you have to re-emote over and over. "Oh the Mementos are provided by the game they can't be used to harass anyone", except the chat is also provided by the game and gets used to harass people all the time.

Edit to add and yes, it's been said numerous times that Mementos aren't the only way people can grief and troll players. There are many other ways, and obviously some of them can't have any sort of opt-out toggle for. But just because those methods of trolling need some other method to address them doesn't mean this particular method of trolling can't be addressed somehow.

JobooAGS

How are we possibly arguing this? If you intentionally grief RPers when they are using their respective chats (say, emote, group, guild etc) and not blasting in zone other than for a quick mud ball or 3 at most, then it is harassment and should be treated as such. Period.

Elsonso

Noxavian wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

Pauls wrote: »

People nowadays like to pretend being offended or harassed, now catch my mudball

It makes it harder when people exaggerate things, that is for sure. There is truth to the statement that, in our world of constant information, unless something is exaggerated, no one even notices. Still, at some point, it is no longer an exaggeration. The pretending becomes real, as does the harassment. I think an hour of mudballing the same unwilling people meets that bar.

An hour of mudballing someone is a major loss for the other person. If you ignore them and just let them sit there for hours doing it, they're losing hours of time for basically no reason.

Not to mention during this time you could always change locations.

While yeah it's annoying, it still isn't harassment. Especially when you have the option to ignore it with no draw backs or just simply move to another place. It's a video game, changing locations takes less than 5min.

Actually, it is harassment. Seriously. It is. They can relocate, look away, ignore them, or you ask them to do whatever other mitigation you feel the victim should perform, but they are doing that because they are being harassed. It is fine if the victim can do this, and if that stops the harassment, great, but if it does not, that does not suddenly make it harassment. It was always harassment.

Cadbury

As mentioned previously, LOTRO eventually added a toggle to opt out of using certain consumables on players. While I feel this would go a long way to curbing some of the griefing, a cynical part of me feels that the devs can't because it will cause other coding issues they simply don't have the time to address.

Soriana

I think mementos used against you like snowballs, mudballs, pies, etc., should be placed on a counter with a timer. If (player) uses any of these momentos 5 times in a 10 minute time span against another player, they instantly go into duel status with the victimized player getting to wield a weapon like Volundrung. The offending player can rez, free of charge, after a 5 minute cooldown timer.

That oughta fix it!!

Veuth

Arunei wrote: »

Fair warning, walls of text abound here. Lots of people been replying here lately haha.

@Sanctum74
This is true, but then that's kind of implying RPing is spamming the chat, which I don't think is what you meant, but the people wanting to defend harassment will likely try to jump on it as such.

@JKorr @JobooAGS
Using group can be limiting, especially if DM actions are generally reserved for group so everyone can see them and easily tell that this is DM stuff going on. That being said, no one actually RPs in the zone chat, people use /s and /e, which stands for 'say' and 'emote' respectively, aka these are the channels ZOS intended for RPers to use to RP. Not bolding this at you guys, either, but rather in general for people wanting to yell "lol I don't like RPers spamming chat!". We aren't spamming anything, we're using the channels that were meant to be used for RP. /s and /e are both local channels that only extend to a limited area, an area you can easily pass through in literally two or three seconds. You will, yes, see people asking in /s or /e for help at times, and generally they'll be answered. The chat doesn't usually scroll that fast that people are overlooked unless the RP is happening at a very popular hub (which are exceedingly rare for numerous reasons, trolling/harassment being one of the big ones).

@Sturmfaenger @Kittytravel
Yes, unfortunately trolls have always had means of harassing RPers even before mudballs. People mounting on their horses and rearing constantly, using skills that knock people out of emotes to draw weapons, using exceptionally bright/flashy skills over and over, and things like that. But just because there were and will be other ways for people to troll doesn't mean we can't limit the methods they have, such as by asking for an opt-out on Mementos like the Snow/Mudballs and the Crow attack one I can't remember the name of right now. I do wish there was a guaranteed way to get a different instance, which would really help too. That being said, most (I say most and not all) RPers aren't going to be bothered by someone lobbing a Memento or two and then running off, and aren't going to PM them over it. There's always the exception, but for the most part, us RPers aren't that uptight and ***. It's only when someone purposefully makes themselves a nuisance that we tend to get irritated.

@Veuth
It's not hyperbole, honestly. There are people who legit do this for 30-60+ minutes. Unfortunately blocking them doesn't prevent them from using the Memento and your character reacting to it, and going somewhere else isn't exactly an answer if an event revolves around a specific area, such as a ruin or forest-y type thing. And of course not all people who use the Mementos are trying to troll, what we're talking about are the people who specifically target RPers over any other people in the area and will do it over and over and over and over for an extended period of time.

@Vonbone @EmEm_Oh
The problem with housing is it's actually very limited:
1) The player cap is one of the biggest issues. Even the biggest houses like the Grotto, the Psijic manor, Earthtear Cavern, and so on only allow up to 24 people. The smallest ones only allow two. A lot of guilds have a decent number of people, and using player housing as anything other than a casual meetup spot can often lead to there not being enough room for everyone who wants to take part to come.
2) Most of the houses are actually houses, aside from the larger things like the Grotto and Earthtear. This limits what houses can be used for in terms of setting, such as ruins, an ocean, a forest, and so on. The houses that are large enough to be decorated as such are ones that cost a ridiculous amount of gold, or are only available for huge amounts of Crowns and usually only during certain times of the year.
3) The furniture limit can make decorating a house for a specific use very hard, especially if you don't have ESO+. The furniture limit for the biggest houses is only 350 items without Plus, so if you do have a place you can try to furnish as anything other than a house, you can still be very limited in how detailed it is.
4) Housing really only works with established guilds or groups of people who RP together, and makes it extremely hard to meet new people like RPing in the world lets you do. This is because you either a) have to have the person of the house on your friends or guild list so you can port there (if they even have it set to their primary) or b) have to be in a group with them. There is, of course, the Port to Friends House addon that lets you go to anyone's house, but even then you need to know the person's @name to be able to add them, and this obviously is only available on PC, not console.

@Vorpan
People don't only RP during those times of the year, and people don't usually RP in areas where those events take place to begin with. The problem is people take the Mementos and throw them at people regardless of the time of year or what event is going on.

@eso_lags
Yes, because it's hilarious to interfere with how another person wants to enjoy the game. Would it be hilarious if someone decided to come crash the parts of the game you enjoy, for the sole reason of wanting to irritate and annoy you? I'd like to see proof that 'most RPers' you dealt with are dramatic and toxic, because to me that seems like an abitrary statement with no backing that you're using to make it seem like RPers in general are like this, and thus it excuses people acting like trash towards us. Also, I'd like proof that the people saying "I'm not having problems" are RPers, please, because I'm an RPer, and a lot of my friends are RPers, and guess what? We do other content! I don't do much these days, but we do dungeons, we take parts in events, and we've all complained about how the performance update ZOS touted for months has made the game worse for a lot of people. Those who are saying the game is running better, if you'd actually bothered to read those threads, are from people who actually do content, be it PvE or PvP. So please, stop using RPers as an excuse for you to rag on when the reasons you're using aren't limited to us. A LOT of RPers also do end-game or PvP, and even if we didn't, so what? You sit here and say "oh I think people should play how they like" and then turn around and say if they don't play these certain ways it doesn't apply to them? That's called hypocrisy.

@Curious_Death
People can have different opinions and discussions on different parts of the game, you know. We don't all have to only talk about the performance issues, if that was the case the forums would be nothing but performance threads on every single page. Going by this logic, we could say "well covid-19 is out there doing a lot of damage to the world but your problem is a game not functioning well?" Just because there are other problems going on doesn't mean we can't address other problems that pertain to us.

@gatekeeper13
Either you haven't read the thread at all and jumped in with an inane comment, or you're purposefully being obtuse. It's not the Memento itself, it's the fact that it (and other things) are used to specifically and purposefully target RPers to pester and grief us. If someone was able to come into your dungeon or trial and force your character to stop attacking/healing/buffing with Mementos that force an animation, and they did it over and over with the intent of keeping your from enjoying your content, would it suddenly not be okay? What if people on your alliance in PvP were able to prevent you from healing, fleeing, or attacking when fighting enemy players?

@JJBoomer
Uh, no? We expect that people who "don't like us" (and by what inane logic would they have to "not like us" just because of a few posts they might see in passing through an area where RP is happening? That doesn't sound very adult to me, considering you just claimed we're all adults) to be the adults you state everyone is and just ignore us and move on. There's a difference between accepting a person tossing a mudball or two and moving on, and accepting someone camping an RP for 30-60+ minutes doing it over and over. I don't understand why people have such a hard time telling these two instances apart. It's like you guys think RPers are getting up in arms every time we're hit with a Memento, and that's not the point at all. What we're upset by is people who do it for extended periods of time solely because "they don't like us". Which is never an excuse to treat anyone like trash, either in a game or irl.

@SidraWillowsky
The Mudball is available as an unlimited Mementom as well as finite Mementos you get sometimes in the reward boxes during the Jester's Festival. The Snowball and Crow ones are also Mementos, and thus have infinite uses.

@Cygemai_Hlervu
The RP board is, sadly, generally dead for the most part, which confuses me to be honest. A lot of threads that could go into specific boards tend to make it here on General though, simply because of the fact that this board typically receives the most attention from a majority of the people who visit/use the forums.

@Noxavian
"The day someone gets banned using the chat the devs made available to them...Wait, no, that isn't going to happen. Ever."

Just because something is available in the game does not make it exempt from being used to harass others. Period. Is this really that hard a concept to understand? And honestly, claiming that 'you'll get the emote removed for everyone' is such an overreaction to people asking for things like an opt-out feature, or even for ZOS to just remove the forced animations for the Snow/Mudballs and Crow (which would take care of a lot of the issues right there).

Sorry but you need to change your perspective on what's truly irritating and what isn't. It IS just a cosmetic effect placed on your character after all, if they are attempting to troll you and phish reactions then don't react, just throw one back at them for fun maybe? That will tell them you're unaffected and are just "playing along" with it, which is NOT what they want, they want you to do exactly *this*, which is make a big deal out of it because from their own perspective they are clearly thinking "haha this aint a big deal, what a loser crying about it, imma continue!" so you need to show them that you're not bothered and they WILL give up, if they don't then just laugh at them dude who cares lol it's their own time that they are wasting.

Sanctum74

I think a toggle would be a great idea, but in the meantime there should be respect from BOTH sides. Say chat is not the exclusive use of rpr’s and to suggest that people should just leave the area is pretty rude. Many people also use Riftin for crafting, waiting in que, banking, questing, and dueling.

I’m not defending either side, but spamming mud balls for an hour or spamming chat are both pretty rude.

CassandraGemini

Soriana wrote: »

I think mementos used against you like snowballs, mudballs, pies, etc., should be placed on a counter with a timer. If (player) uses any of these momentos 5 times in a 10 minute time span against another player, they instantly go into duel status with the victimized player getting to wield a weapon like Volundrung. The offending player can rez, free of charge, after a 5 minute cooldown timer.

That oughta fix it!!

I really don't think this would fix anything. First, you're assuming that this is a scenario that the victim would want, and while this may be the case for some, I'd wager that most of the time it is not. Not only because the harassed player just might not be into pvp/dueling in the first place, but mostly because this would force them out of what they were doing and into a situation where they have to keep interacting with the griefer. For someone who actually wants to rp in that particular moment in time, being forced into a duel is no better than being pelted with mud balls, like, at all.
And now, to top this off, imagine you have a very pvp-experienced mud baller vs. a complete pvp-noob. Volendrung or not, the mud baller might still win, and that absolutely wouldn't help the situation at all - it might even make it worse.

What would really help is, if people made an effort to let go of this very unpleasant attitude that is spreading like wildfire these days, which is basically that everything, no matter how indecent, untactful or even outright rude it may be, can be justified by saying "just kidding", and that everyone who disagrees with this is automatically a "snowflake", who needs to get thicker skin. If people could find their basic human decency again and stop being complete arses to one another for no other reason than simply "not liking" something the other person does, this whole thing wouldn't even be an issue.

Arunei

@Veuth
I'm sorry, did you honestly just to tell me I need to change my perspective to match what you think is correct in terms of what's irritating and what's not? Sorry but the last time I checked, that sort of thing is called subjective, and your opinion on what's irritating is not one I "need" to adopt. You're also kind of being condenscending, acting like we don't know how to handle trolls/griefers, or acting like you know what's best in dealing with them when we're the ones going through it. "Playing along with it" doesn't work, they keep doing it. Ignoring it doesn't work, they keep doing it. They don't just "give up", or have you not been reading the posts on this thread? There are people who do this for hours, every day or every other day, for weeks or months or sometimes even years. And obviously we care that we're being targeted by rude and immature people who can't simply leave us to what we enjoy doing in the game, so uh...that's who cares.

Honestly, it's posts like this that basically say "you're not allowed to speak out about this you need to just shut up and ignore it lol", but why should we have to ignore it? Why are people making excuses for the others who do this idiotic stuff, and putting the onus on the RPer to avoid it? Why can't people just agree that maybe it would be better not to harass someone who isn't doing anything to impact your game in any meaningful way? Why can't people accept the fact that by the TOS itself, the actions described by myself and others is indeed harassment? But no, no, it's just easier to tell RPers that we need to deal with it, just because.

Lowbei

Using momentos is not, and will never be against the ToS. This SJW nonsense is cringy. Just because you dont like someone using their abilities, doesnt make it harassment. Thats probably why ZOS ignored this thread.

Haywire30

Wow. Just... wow. This isn't SJWing at all. Clearly, you didn't actually bother to read the thread because if you did and still had any degree of reading comprehension, you would see that RPers have said several times that they're used to the occasional mudball or whatever being slung their way. That's not the problem. The problem comes from people embarking on a sustained campaign to intentionally make it more difficult for people to RP. You can say that people should just ignore them, but that has rather provably been ineffective. You can say that people should just fling mudballs back, but that is precisely what these people are setting out to do. They're wanting us to stop RPing. They're wanting to ruin our experience.

Tell me, if that isn't considered harassment, then pray-tell, what constitutes harassment, hm?

We're not talking about the occasional mudball or memento being thrown at us. We're talking about people doing it for actual (literal) hours. With the intention of ruining our hobby.

Lowbei

Your emotions regarding other peoples use of their personal momentos isnt a factor in “harassment.”

If a player is using abilities, or momentos, or food, or drink, or emotes, etc, and you have a problem with it, you can always leave and go somewhere else, as its a huge game.

ZOS read the thread, and ignored it, for a reason. Its not up to you what constitutes harassment, thats up to the TOS.

Haywire30

You haven't answer my question. What constitutes harassment?

If we were to go to one of their official streams and spam mud balls at them and sit on top of them with the largest mounts we could for the entire duration, what do you think their reaction would be?

And for the record, if we leave then... well... job done for the griefer, isn't it? They've succeeded in derailing the roleplay and pushing those filthy dirty RPers away from their game. It's really not a viable solution.

Lowbei

I didnt answer your question because its not up to me, nor you, what constitutes harassment. if you are so salty about this that you plan to throw mudballs at the devs, then go ahead, as I doubt they will care, and they will likely throw pies back at you ( pies > mudballs imo )

again, if you cant handle other players in public areas using their abilities, then perhaps you should go to housing which is private.

Haywire30

Yes, because housing really works for all the various forms of RP we might wish to partake in outside of casual social RP. It's not as if we haven't thoroughly explained why housing doesn't work either. Seriously? More and more, you show your ignorance. Before I stop replying, allow me to ask one more question.

Do you personally think it's in poor taste to harass RPers with mementos for hours until they go somewhere else?

Lowbei

You should refrain from insulting others for having differing opinions than you, as its rude and isnt helping your case.

ZOS ignored the thread for a reason. Take the hint.

Dusk_Coven

Lowbei wrote: »

You should refrain from insulting others for having differing opinions than you, as its rude and isnt helping your case.

ZOS ignored the thread for a reason. Take the hint.

ZOS also ignores bugs in the game like https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/512385/shocking-repeated-cheating-by-a-guild-pc-na-kaal and just lets people rage at each other.
They're negligent in all areas and their silence neither proves nor disproves anything.

Lowbei

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Lowbei wrote: »

You should refrain from insulting others for having differing opinions than you, as its rude and isnt helping your case.

ZOS ignored the thread for a reason. Take the hint.

ZOS also ignores bugs in the game like https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/512385/shocking-repeated-cheating-by-a-guild-pc-na-kaal and just lets people rage at each other.
They're negligent in all areas and their silence neither proves nor disproves anything.

I see no proof in that thread of cheating, just some salty people upset that they lost a scroll. This is common in Cyrodiil. ZOS clearly read that thread as well, as they modified numerous posts in it.

No offense, but it sounds like you simply dislike when ZOS ignores you, and cant take the hint that not everything you are upset about is worth their time. They are busy making content, patches, fixing bugs, keeping servers running, etc, and dont have time nor patience for those who constantly make drama over stuff like momentos and you losing scrolls.

Sheezabeast

This is what bullies do, they justify what they do and when you stand up to them they victim blame.

Tell me, would you like it if in your next group for a dungeon, that everyone had no weapon? That would be annoying, forcing you to drop group and restart, right? But you'd have no right to complain right? Even if your very next group did the same thing, forcing you to take another penalty, you'd do it over and over because that's what you're expecting rpers to do, to leave their staging area because their presence annoy some and they bully them but they have to stop what they're doing to rezone to accommodate a bully....

Lowbei

... not everyone who disagrees with you is a bully. This emotional and dramatic SJW nonsense isnt worth the devs time, as they are busy with more important things.

Also if I am being honest, you people sound very tedious while you demand ownership of entire chat channels like “say” (the default channel) and “emote,” and demand ownership of certain taverns so that normal players cant even come in for a quest without their chatbox being bombarded by your erotic rp, which is gross by the way.

The game doesnt revolve around you, and if you cant handle other players using their abilities and momentos in public areas (aka actually playing the game) then it seems logical that you move your group to a private area like housing.

Tigerseye

Guys, it's not mudballing that is the issue, it's hours and hours of doing the same thing to people who are trying to do something else.

They're not objecting to a mudball, or two, they're objecting to a continuous stream of hundreds of them, over a long period of time.

Lowbei

Tigerseye wrote: »

Guys, it's not mudballing that is the issue, it's hours and hours of doing the same thing to people who are trying to do something else.

They're not objecting to a mudball, or two, they're objecting to a continuous stream of hundreds of them, over a long period of time.

Neither 1 mudball, nor 1000 mudballs, are a reportable offense. There is no magic number of mudballs where suddenly your salt becomes actionable against someones account. Its not hurting your character. Its a visual effect only.

GRXRG

Really people complain of being harassed by mudballs? How old are you?
I receive lot of bad whispers each day, I completely ignore them and move on.
Once i was targeted heavily, my mudballs, but after a bit the thrower got more tired than me and he stopped, so is started to mudball him instead and he wayshrined away xD
It's just a visual thing, you don't get snared or immobilized or debuffed in an oddly way, just grow up and move on, MMOs are not games for you then.

Haywire30

GRXRG wrote: »

I receive lot of bad whispers each day, I completely ignore them and move on.

That that is what you are able to do. You just slap them on ignore, and suddenly they're unable to whisper you to harass you.

GRXRG wrote: »

Once i was targeted heavily, my mudballs, but after a bit the thrower got more tired than me and he stopped, so is started to mudball him instead and he wayshrined away xD

And were you trying to do some other activity at the time?

GRXRG wrote: »

It's just a visual thing, you don't get snared or immobilized or debuffed in an oddly way, just grow up and move on, MMOs are not games for you then.

RPing in an MMO provides a more visual experience to go along with the more imaginative aspects as you might find in tabletop roleplaying. How much better is your immersion for the game when you have a board with counters to represent your character? Now make them highly detailed models to represent your characters. Now provide a series of abilities to make your characters move and provide other visual effects to go with the roleplaying.

So, you're right. It is a visual thing. It's jarring. It cancels out any other animations that a player might be playing. It applies a whole new (ugly) visual skin.

Have you ever tried doing tabletop roleplaying before? How might you feel if someone with a grudge against your hobby came along and kept pouring bbq sauce or whatever all over your lovely painted figurines? There's no rules saying that he can't do that. You could just simply wipe them clean. You could also just pack up your game and move elsewhere.

Again. This isn't about the odd mudball or two. This is about a concerted effort to intentionally ruin our fun and drive us away.