The player/rper issue with the mudball/snowball memento and harassment of rpers

doomette

Glurin wrote: »

Like, seriously, you don't need two hundred lines of over the top emotional dialogue describing your epic struggle to eat a banana.

Bruh, I’d definitely stick around to read that.

Minyassa

A_Silverius wrote: »

LOTRO has an option to disable special emote effects like these, so I think ESO could have it too. Would also be great for non-RP'ers.

And again--this allows people to use mudballs to their hearts' contents on other people who use mudballs. It's not cutting into mudballer fun. It's only cutting into griefing. The ONLY people negatively affected by an opt-out for forced emotes are people who were weaponizing them. People who are genuinely doing it to have non-malicious fun with other people are still perfectly able to do that.

Tigerseye

Yeah, I could tell RPers were being harassed, in general, via comments on here from people who don't like them.

Also, I whispered someone who was (innocently) RPing in an inn, once, because I didn't realise it was RP at first (and thought he might be upset about something) and he responded in a defensive manner.

This led me to believe that he had been intentionally harassed before, via more than just a few mudballs.

If so, it's not OK.

RP (or innocent RP, anyway!) is as valid a part of the game as any other and the people doing it should be respected and left alone.

If you don't like it, that is fair enough, but don't harass; just move on and leave them to it.

As far as mudballs go, one or two is one thing (just laugh and shake 'em off!), but if someone is following you around mudballing you for hours, that would definitely fall under the category of harassment, in my opinion.

Of course, you could move to somewhere he isn't, but if it is someone with a spy account in your guild (for example), he may know where you have gone.

newtinmpls

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

Especially as ZOS literally sold this mechanic to players for real money.

I never paid anything for my mudballs. I have both the resuable and the one-shottable on all three of my accounts.

And like PvP, the people who enjoy it should be able to - with each other. I would love to see a "dueling" thing that would include such, and one could accept or decline.

Tigerseye

Recent wrote: »

When i get mudballed or pied or iced, I throw mudballs back at them and I laugh hysterically. For some odd reason they stop doing it once they realise I'm enjoying it😆

Yeah, I don't mind it, either, but then I'm not trying to pretend I'm someone else, in a certain scenario, like someone who is RPing is.

It's probably like trying to do Shakespeare, while being pelted with rotten eggs (although, less smelly).

Tigerseye

Banana wrote: »

It happens. It's the internet. I moved to another zone last time some ass clown was doing me at the outfit station

This is why home dye/outfit stations are a must.

Tigerseye

VelimOrthic wrote: »

The burning first question I would have, is how are these people able to determine what you're doing? Are you using the /say command repeatedly while standing around that dye station? Because that sounds like it would be more annoying to any and everyone in the area than any mudballs. If that's what it is, you have to know all that white colored text is going to draw flies. And I would probably lean towards agreement with the flies.

Surely people talking in character makes the game world a slightly more interesting place, if anything?

...and if it doesn't, how hard is it to just ignore, or close your chat window, until you're out of range?

Tigerseye

VelimOrthic wrote: »

ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »

VelimOrthic wrote: »

The burning first question I would have, is how are these people able to determine what you're doing? Are you using the /say command repeatedly while standing around that dye station? Because that sounds like it would be more annoying to any and everyone in the area than any mudballs. If that's what it is, you have to know all that white colored text is going to draw flies. And I would probably lean towards agreement with the flies.

So people are using /say to communicate with each other- whether it be an RP or a discussion, how does this give anyone the right to stand and repeatedly throw mudballs or use other disruptive emotes, when they don't have to read the text. As others before me have said, if seeing text annoys someone so much, they can implement the simple chat filters to ignore it. Mudballing cannot be mitigated. And if someone is standing near a dye station...you'd think it would be common sense that they're trying to dye an outfit and that you shouldn't stand there attempting to disrupt that.

Do people really need a "no no" sign put up as if we're all children in order to realize that some behavior is simply disrespectful? Do you really require that kind of clarification to apply an understanding of social skills?

Being in a virtual environment doesn't mean respect goes out the window. "It's not real" is not an excuse- real people are sitting behind those characters. You don't stop treating people like people just because you're playing a game.

As the OP mentioned, these are opinions, and as I said, I lean in the direction of the mudballers. I won't be adjusting any filters, cutting off that function of the game. That's silly. If you're in an area it is useful at times to communicate with others in that area, for example to provide or receive tips on a WB's fight mechanics so you can team up and beat it.

I also tend to be of the opinion that claims of multiple hours is an exaggeration (yes, a polite way of saying a lie). I'm of the opinion that a few minutes of breaking up a wall of nonsensical white chat would be quite satisfying and hilarious.

Oh come on, you're talking about people "standing around that dye station" RPing.

They're not following you around doing it.

Just walk away from the dye station...

Or, if you're using it, buy one and stick it in your home (they cost very little).

Salix_alba

this is ridiculous really.

the only things zos needs to do is
1. increase the range of the snowball to bring it into the longer range of the mudball.
2. reduce the snowballs cool-down seems longer than the mudball honestly its a paid emote that under-performs.
3. like @Saucy_Jack said make an emote for the pie its PIE WHO doesn't throw pie when given the chance.
4. possibly make a rotten tomato emote please it would make an awesome April fools item.

the only thing we need to do is
1. show some restraint 1-2 mud balls is fun then move on to a new target.
2. please turn off pets when using crafting stations its not that hard and you aren't in combat.
3. don't follow players around unless you are in a group with them or are friends acquaintances etc that's just creepy.
4. stop hitting on bosmers in reapers march you know who you are.
5. many rper's use emote/ a lot instead of say/ it makes the purple text and you can toggle that channel off try that instead of
giving them a hard time

I randomly throw snowballs and mudballs at players and every so often that leads to a hide and seek game of it in crowds even now and its still fun and people do join in.

DuckInRealLife

Similar event happened today to a group of friends, we had an event out in Glenumbra, just minding our own business.
We hadn't seen these people before as they were just questing in the area. And they literally just walk up to us and say "Hey, **** off."

We're not hurting anyone, we're not making anyone else's day any worse, we're just enjoying ourselves with an event my good friend put together. Its just rather rude in my opinion, because you do have the option to say nothing and do nothing. You can even hide the emote tab if you really wanted.

Dusk_Coven

If only you could mudball bears pets and make them budge a bit each time. Like off the writ turn-in box.

Saucy_Jack

Salix_alba wrote: »

3. like @Saucy_Jack said make an emote for the pie its PIE WHO doesn't throw pie when given the chance.

evoniee

just ignore them and do what you love to do.
no way they have time forever to troll you.

SofiDesune

Tigerseye wrote: »

Yeah, I could tell RPers were being harassed, in general, via comments on here from people who don't like them.

Also, I whispered someone who was (innocently) RPing in an inn, once, because I didn't realise it was RP at first (and thought he might be upset about something) and he responded in a defensive manner.

This led me to believe that he had been intentionally harassed before, via more than just a few mudballs.

If so, it's not OK.

RP (or innocent RP, anyway!) is as valid a part of the game as any other and the people doing it should be respected and left alone.

If you don't like it, that is fair enough, but don't harass; just move on and leave them to it.

As far as mudballs go, one or two is one thing (just laugh and shake 'em off!), but if someone is following you around mudballing you for hours, that would definitely fall under the category of harassment, in my opinion.

Of course, you could move to somewhere he isn't, but if it is someone with a spy account in your guild (for example), he may know where you have gone.

I'm sorry to hear that the response was defensive, it is however a common problem.. perhaps they had just been mocked about?

I know when people in the roleplay community I am in (about 500) go somewhere in groups to roleplay in the world, we tend to all sigh when someone stops and looks at us.. Because we tend to now expect it being another troll.. But then they usually either in say or whisper asks us what we are doing and after we explain, we tend to mostly get a positive response and people moving on..

But it sadly is true, that it have become a common thing where we simply just expect people to come after us.

Megatto

I only throw mud at oblivious wardens and sorcs WHO DON'T UNSUMMON THEIR STUPID PETS WHEN THEY'RE AT CRAFTING STATIONS! SHOW SOME COMMON COURTESY FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! REEEEEEEEEE!

But yeah, harassing RP'ers is just not cool. But harassing dumb pet users for not removing thier pets from crafting stations and writ drop-off boxes is alright in my book. And for those people saying "just go around" or something like that... It's about principle!

Vorpan

It's only like what, twice a year where we have events that involve throwing things at players and NPCs? Roleplay elsewhere if these things happen. They gave us so many houses and a really large world to play in. I mean, if they're following you and harassing you then sure, report them. Otherwise ignore it. The events don't last all that long.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Vorpan wrote: »

It's only like what, twice a year where we have events that involve throwing things at players and NPCs? Roleplay elsewhere if these things happen. They gave us so many houses and a really large world to play in. I mean, if they're following you and harassing you then sure, report them. Otherwise ignore it. The events don't last all that long.

You understand that these things are happening outside events all over the maps, all year round? No one roleplays in the event areas, because that's just madness.
There has been times when people are roleplaying in some off the road area in a low populated zone, and people has still found them and started to harass them.

Sailor_Palutena

Sometimes when distracted and joking around, I end up disrupting such situations by accident, but when someone whisper me telling about it, I apologize and go away. People who enjoy doing it, are just like gankers in WoW, hitting low level people.
Sad people.

Vlad9425

I always challenge people who throw mud balls at me to a duel and 100% of the time they either lose or don’t accept the duel at all because they’re cowards 😃

Smitch_59

Just more proof that single-player games are superior to MMOs. People suck.

Ryath_Waylander

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

Besides, maybe I think players are disrupting my experience by doing whatever they do in RP? See how easily I just turned the tables?

Also, imagine being banned for using an item you paid for in the advertised manner, which is what the snowball is. It was only available in a Crown Crate.

Yeah.

Well I do see a kid that grew up getting satisfaction by stomping on the other kid's sand castles. RP'ers in no way shape or form detract from my enjoyment of the game. Hell you have to go out of your way to spot them and although I think that level of immersion is strange, it's how they enjoy the game. I think turning off the option wouldn't hurt anyone... other than the small minded trolls that enjoy ruining other's gaming experience for their own entertainment.

alanmatillab16_ESO

Cloudtrader wrote: »

This was an issue with similar skills in LOTRO, and after years of complaints, that game finally implemented an opt-out. I hope ESO does, too.

Exactly, a toggle to opt out of forced emotes solved the whole debate.

SickleCider

Ffs, I don't know why anyone cares so much about the way people are having fun in this game. I'm not an RPer, but the RPers have never disrupted my gameplay. When I do notice someone RPing (I usually don't), I'm distantly amused by their shenanigans. Why do people have to be so rude?

Side story: I interacted with an RPer once. They were dressed as a plague doctor and having a walk about, commenting on people's apparent health. He stopped at me and told me I look sick. I asked the doc if he had anything for me and he passed me some potions. It was a fun interaction!

ZonasArch

Smitch_59 wrote: »

Just more proof that single-player games are superior to MMOs. People suck.

And yet, you're so into a MMO that you're on the forums of one of them.

So edgy!

Smitch_59

ZonasArch wrote: »

Smitch_59 wrote: »

Just more proof that single-player games are superior to MMOs. People suck.

And yet, you're so into a MMO that you're on the forums of one of them.

So edgy!

Just biding time until TES VI!

JobooAGS

Solution for RPers: If you don’t already do it, use the emote chat or group chat.

Solution for griefers and those who dislike RP: Don’t be an ass. Turn off emote chat, go to another instance (pretty easy to do, TP to a guild member in the same zone or TP in and out of a zone), don’t pelt people with mud balls or the like for extended periods of time.

DuckInRealLife

JobooAGS wrote: »

Solution for RPers: If you don’t already do it, use the emote chat or group chat.

Solution for griefers and those who dislike RP: Don’t be an ass. Turn off emote chat, go to another instance (pretty easy to do, TP to a guild member in the same zone or TP in and out of a zone), don’t pelt people with mud balls or the like for extended periods of time.

It is possible.
I know with some people there's sort of a code:
Speaking with actions or just actions - emote
Just saying something - say

And you'd have to get a small group of people to stop using this system.

deleted008293

Include an option to allow a player to disable other players emoticons or pets.

eso_lags

stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think it's a sad reflection on someone who feels the need to try & disrupt RP'ers. They'd be better served just standing back & watching, as they may discover a facet of the game they are either not familiar with or don't have the courage to try.

I think they'd be better off mudballing people since its in the game and hilarious. And in my experience, with most Rpers ive dealt with, they are extremely over dramatic and toxic so they kind of make the problem worse. Ignoring them would be the best bet but that doesnt seem to happen.

stewhead2ub17_ESO

eso_lags wrote: »

stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think it's a sad reflection on someone who feels the need to try & disrupt RP'ers. They'd be better served just standing back & watching, as they may discover a facet of the game they are either not familiar with or don't have the courage to try.

I think they'd be better off mudballing people since its in the game and hilarious. And in my experience, with most Rpers ive dealt with, they are extremely over dramatic and toxic so they kind of make the problem worse. Ignoring them would be the best bet but that doesnt seem to happen.

I suspect you didn't read much of this thread & I find your response ridiculous & not worth responding to in any serious manner.