The player/rper issue with the mudball/snowball memento and harassment of rpers

Kittytravel

GalexPK wrote: »

Guys, i think the only way to show ZOS how mudballing for hours is harrassment, is going to the live streamers of ZOS and mudball them everytime till the stream is over.

Yeah this is actually genius I'm not at all going to lie. I can just imagine them getting pelted for a whole hour and a half with mudballs and at first it's haha cute and then after 15 minutes they are just so freaking done with it.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

EmEm_Oh wrote: »

Why wouldn't throwing mudballs at people during the festivities be bullying.

I'm still trying to find a justification for RP being in the open ESO world these days as they tend to go from home to home, keeping it very personable, and there's no way you can get in unless you're a member and if any kind of "bullying" happens, you'll get kicked from the housing areas.

@EmEm_Oh ...What? You do realise the reason a lot of roleplayers roleplay in houses is to avoid all the harassment they get and can roleplay in peace? Most roleplayers are more than welcoming to newcomers or people who genuinly want to try or know more about it. It lessens prejudice from ignorance, and the more the merrier.

I don't get what you mean by "bullying" though. Why would you bully your fellow roleplayers? Or anyone for that matter.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

GalexPK wrote: »

Guys, i think the only way to show ZOS how mudballing for hours is harrassment, is going to the live streamers of ZOS and mudball them everytime till the stream is over.

That's kinda brilliant. I'd also suggest send in suggestions regarding adding an option feature to deny all forced mementos from other players.

Raudgrani

SofiDesune wrote: »

This is just going to be my own personal opinion, everyone is entitled to their own!

But I have an issue with the mementos.. And it mostly comes from the fact that, as a roleplayer atleast, it is one of -the most beloved way of trolls- to go about harassing us as players.

They see us RPing in the wild Tamriel? Mudball for 1-3 hours.
They see us at the dye station discussing outfits? Mudballs

In general, I would like to think it could be solved.. If just like duels.. You could turn off not wanting to be involved in this.
Because I sure as heck didnt sign up my subscription to constantly be covered in mud by people who wants to spend their evening trying to ruin others.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_BillE

After a quarrel in an old guild - an argument I wasn't even involved with, I simply left because all my friends did - a guy first sent weird French "dueling champions" to duel and kill me, after I killed every French duelist he could muster, he sent other people to mudball me (and others). I simply "moved" for a while, and started to do my crafting etc. in another city. But it sure was annoying.

Elsonso

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

The best solution would be what Guild Wars 2 did, which is to give the option feature to not be able to be a target for mementos that forces an effect on you from others. It would remove at least one way scum can harass people, yet make no changes for people who likes to use them for genuine fun.

This is great, but I prefer the ban route. What if people don't want to play in a game with these people lurking around, blocked from their anti-social behavior by nothing more than a line of code in some program? It's better for everyone, particularly the person doing the harassing, if those that do the harassing move onto other things to occupy their time. A permanent ban will do exactly that.

That includes these people, who should be moved to the front of the ban line, if they do it.

the only way to show ZOS how mudballing for hours is harrassment, is going to the live streamers of ZOS and mudball them everytime till the stream is over.

Dusk_Coven

Cygemai_Hlervu wrote: »

Dozens of new notifications in this thread. I've lost any connection of what you've been discussing here, guys, but now I feel like I was mudballed with those incoming messages with no ability to switch them off - a real mudmessage harassment . Where is this damned button..

you don't get a notification unless:
1. you created the thread
2. you are following the thread
3. someone mentioned your name so you probably participated in the thread

So... it's on you because you are deliberately participating in the thread.
And just like auto-ignore duels, you can just not bother responding to the number indicator saying you have a notification.

By making fun of the thread you are trivializing what amounts to griefing other people.

InaMoonlight

Make it a toggle, like duels (outside of the skywatch - mudball event), problem solved.

"Receive/send targeted mementos or emote effects - On/Off"

Please ZoS?

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Elsonso wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

The best solution would be what Guild Wars 2 did, which is to give the option feature to not be able to be a target for mementos that forces an effect on you from others. It would remove at least one way scum can harass people, yet make no changes for people who likes to use them for genuine fun.

This is great, but I prefer the ban route. What if people don't want to play in a game with these people lurking around, blocked from their anti-social behavior by nothing more than a line of code in some program? It's better for everyone, particularly the person doing the harassing, if those that do the harassing move onto other things to occupy their time. A permanent ban will do exactly that.

That includes these people, who should be moved to the front of the ban line, if they do it.

the only way to show ZOS how mudballing for hours is harrassment, is going to the live streamers of ZOS and mudball them everytime till the stream is over.

Of course. Harassment should always get punished with bans. It's not hard to behave like a decent person so if you can't, you don't deserve to be around people.

Aigym_Hlervu

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Cygemai_Hlervu wrote: »

Dozens of new notifications in this thread. I've lost any connection of what you've been discussing here, guys, but now I feel like I was mudballed with those incoming messages with no ability to switch them off - a real mudmessage harassment . Where is this damned button..

you don't get a notification unless:
1. you created the thread
2. you are following the thread
3. someone mentioned your name so you probably participated in the thread

So... it's on you because you are deliberately participating in the thread.
And just like auto-ignore duels, you can just not bother responding to the number indicator saying you have a notification.

By making fun of the thread you are trivializing what amounts to griefing other people.

You got me wrong here, mate. I know why do I get those notifications. Yes, that was sarcasm regarding the number of messages I get on this topic - it's just too many of them, I just missed the flow of the participants' thought and was surprised of what else could be discussed here. From my point of view everything has been already told here. Well, that's only my opinion, of course. And of course I think that throwing mudballs at people who did you nothing wrong is impolite. Just like throwing mudballs at a company of chatting people in the street IRL, I think it is at least impolite. And I've already told why: playing a video game is a part of life, people feel real emotions though being in a virtual world. It's just the same people, so why offend them?.. I see no sense, no logic when those guys behave themselves IRL, while misbehaving in a virtual world. These guys diserve the very same measures of harassment towards themselves as an act of retaliation. This is only my opinion.

So many messages were written here while this specific thread in the Role-playing section on the mudball ambush techniques has only 164 views and 9 replies with nobody saying anything on how immoral it is. If I was so oppressed by those mudballs, that thread would be the second place I'd go to have my revenge after pouring.. dung back on those who offended me with those mudballs. There's a certain instruction on how to misbehave, but people just discuss if mudballs are harassment or not here. That made me smile without any offending intent. It's just illogical to me, though I understand my logic is not supreme.

Rinthetharmo

Harashing ppl spamming them with mudballs for more than just once and a quick pass by, should be 100% banable imo. If ppl dont know how to behave around other ppl and are disrespectful, they should not play an mmo in any way. Maybe make it a note for new players stating that these things are not considered alright and will be punished if done in an excessive way. Or at least add an opout, and put a rp setting on that makes u stay in like a bubble so others cant go near u. Not really hard to prevent, there are plenty of options for any game to prevent *** moves like this.

eso_lags

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

eso_lags wrote: »

stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think it's a sad reflection on someone who feels the need to try & disrupt RP'ers. They'd be better served just standing back & watching, as they may discover a facet of the game they are either not familiar with or don't have the courage to try.

I think they'd be better off mudballing people since its in the game and hilarious. And in my experience, with most Rpers ive dealt with, they are extremely over dramatic and toxic so they kind of make the problem worse. Ignoring them would be the best bet but that doesnt seem to happen.

The "they had it coming" logic of an abusive toxic person. You sure this is the kind argument you want to be attached to?

Yes im sure and I never said they had it coming. What I said was, its in the game and people can just ignore it until the person gets bored, which usually happens pretty fast. Instead they usually throw a tantrum. Also, why would I care about people disrupting rpers when most rpers are toxic?

I cant tell you how many times I have seen rpers dismissing performance issues in this game. For years now. Pretty much saying "i dont have any issues so it must be your problem". Especially to pvp players dealing with abysmal, pretty much unplayable, cyrodil performance. Basically the mindset of its not my problem so idgaf.

Its sad that more people cant sympathize with how other people play the game. I used to feel bad for everyone when their play style was being *** on. No matter what it was. And to a point I still do with most things. Everyone should be able to play how they want within what the game was made for. But after years on the forums arguing about game performance with people who mainly quest, roleplay, and dont even go into cyrodil, my sympathy for silly *** like this is gone.

Saucy_Jack

Just popped in again to reiterate:

Pie King throws pies in a spirit of general mirth and merriment. Pie King approves of anything thrown in this spirit, though pies of course are and always will be the superior projectile. There are some in past who have misinterpreted Pie King's motives, but Pie King has stopped when said people have asked him to stop. Pie King wishes only happiness on the Pie Kingdom and its inhabitants.

Pie King frowns upon those who set out specifically to annoy. FROWNS, I SAY! *adjusts monocle, then throws a pie*

GaianSpirit

I am guilty

ArchangelIsraphel

Saucy_Jack wrote: »

Just popped in again to reiterate:

Pie King throws pies in a spirit of general mirth and merriment. Pie King approves of anything thrown in this spirit, though pies of course are and always will be the superior projectile. There are some in past who have misinterpreted Pie King's motives, but Pie King has stopped when said people have asked him to stop. Pie King wishes only happiness on the Pie Kingdom and its inhabitants.

Pie King frowns upon those who set out specifically to annoy. FROWNS, I SAY! *adjusts monocle, then throws a pie*

You're definitely not the problem Saucy, I've run into you many a time and found you to be EXTREMELY funny...always brings a smile to my face. Had a little pie fight with you by the wayshrine in Vvardenfell once and was laughing the whole time, especially when you start out with a joke that ends up with me getting a pie in the face XD

@Saucy_Jack

Lab3360

eso_lags wrote: »

stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think it's a sad reflection on someone who feels the need to try & disrupt RP'ers. They'd be better served just standing back & watching, as they may discover a facet of the game they are either not familiar with or don't have the courage to try.

I think they'd be better off mudballing people since its in the game and hilarious. And in my experience, with most Rpers ive dealt with, they are extremely over dramatic and toxic so they kind of make the problem worse. Ignoring them would be the best bet but that doesnt seem to happen.

Disrupting people having a good time in anything doesnt seem to be a good idea as far as I am concern. The fact you find joy in making people miserable seats right at the heart of harrassment.

When I run into idiots who want to hurl mudballs at me and dont want to stop. I simply hurl them back till they leave are log off. Sometimes I will travel to them.

stewhead2ub17_ESO

eso_lags wrote: »

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

eso_lags wrote: »

stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think it's a sad reflection on someone who feels the need to try & disrupt RP'ers. They'd be better served just standing back & watching, as they may discover a facet of the game they are either not familiar with or don't have the courage to try.

I think they'd be better off mudballing people since its in the game and hilarious. And in my experience, with most Rpers ive dealt with, they are extremely over dramatic and toxic so they kind of make the problem worse. Ignoring them would be the best bet but that doesnt seem to happen.

The "they had it coming" logic of an abusive toxic person. You sure this is the kind argument you want to be attached to?

Yes im sure and I never said they had it coming. What I said was, its in the game and people can just ignore it until the person gets bored, which usually happens pretty fast. Instead they usually throw a tantrum. Also, why would I care about people disrupting rpers when most rpers are toxic?

I cant tell you how many times I have seen rpers dismissing performance issues in this game. For years now. Pretty much saying "i dont have any issues so it must be your problem". Especially to pvp players dealing with abysmal, pretty much unplayable, cyrodil performance. Basically the mindset of its not my problem so idgaf.

Its sad that more people cant sympathize with how other people play the game. I used to feel bad for everyone when their play style was being *** on. No matter what it was. And to a point I still do with most things. Everyone should be able to play how they want within what the game was made for. But after years on the forums arguing about game performance with people who mainly quest, roleplay, and dont even go into cyrodil, my sympathy for silly *** like this is gone.

lol wow! Generalize much? I have my doubts as to if you even read the OP's post. They were harassed for an hour. I get the feeling you may benefit from talking to someone. Find your way to Summerset & ask around for a competent Psijic counselor to help with your RP anger issues. Safe travels!

justaquickword

You won't have to worry about mud balls for a while. It's Pie Time!

eso_lags

Lab3360 wrote: »

eso_lags wrote: »

stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think it's a sad reflection on someone who feels the need to try & disrupt RP'ers. They'd be better served just standing back & watching, as they may discover a facet of the game they are either not familiar with or don't have the courage to try.

I think they'd be better off mudballing people since its in the game and hilarious. And in my experience, with most Rpers ive dealt with, they are extremely over dramatic and toxic so they kind of make the problem worse. Ignoring them would be the best bet but that doesnt seem to happen.

Disrupting people having a good time in anything doesnt seem to be a good idea as far as I am concern. The fact you find joy in making people miserable seats right at the heart of harrassment.

When I run into idiots who want to hurl mudballs at me and dont want to stop. I simply hurl them back till they leave are log off. Sometimes I will travel to them.

Ya I'd say thats a fair response, turn it into a mudball war. That or just ignoring it. Either way its all about reactions. People want to get a funny reaction out of people crazy enough to throw tantrums over this.

And I never said I was someone that followed people around doing it either, actually in my experience xbox doesn't really have that many rpers. At least from what i've encountered on PC. The RP chat was always active in almost every zone on PC when I played, and I would randomly run into groups of rpers pretty often. But I never have on xbox in my many years of playing, nor have I seen people seriously use the RP chat. I'm sure there are plenty here I just dont see them like I have on PC.

InaMoonlight

...or turn if off

You can only memento someone, if you're open to it yourself. Seperate option for character effecting emotes. Let those who want have their snowball and feces fight, let those with other foci do their thing?

Shouldn't be hard to implement, like "No duel's - thanks sittingdevice who ambushes everyone at a wayshrine hoping to find a newbie..."

Should be off by default, but part of a VERY clear tutorial, maybe even starting quest, since it seems we have to educate on manners from the get-go

Saucy_Jack

ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »

You're definitely not the problem Saucy, I've run into you many a time and found you to be EXTREMELY funny...always brings a smile to my face. Had a little pie fight with you by the wayshrine in Vvardenfell once and was laughing the whole time, especially when you start out with a joke that ends up with me getting a pie in the face XD

Noxavian

Elsonso wrote: »

Megatto wrote: »

I only throw mud at oblivious wardens and sorcs WHO DON'T UNSUMMON THEIR STUPID PETS WHEN THEY'RE AT CRAFTING STATIONS! SHOW SOME COMMON COURTESY FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! REEEEEEEEEE!

Right. Punish others for doing something you don't like them doing. Why stop at role players? We can do it for pets. Maybe we don't like others running through us. Perhaps those people who stand on the counters in front of merchants and bankers need to be harassed, too? Oh! Oh! People who don't take everything from a chest or resource node! No... scratch that. Permanent ban for those people. Sorry.

Don't harass people in the game just because you don't like the way they play the game.

Imagine thinking using a funny emote in a virtual simulation is harassing.

Yikes.

Noxavian

Elsonso wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

The best solution would be what Guild Wars 2 did, which is to give the option feature to not be able to be a target for mementos that forces an effect on you from others. It would remove at least one way scum can harass people, yet make no changes for people who likes to use them for genuine fun.

This is great, but I prefer the ban route. What if people don't want to play in a game with these people lurking around, blocked from their anti-social behavior by nothing more than a line of code in some program? It's better for everyone, particularly the person doing the harassing, if those that do the harassing move onto other things to occupy their time. A permanent ban will do exactly that.

That includes these people, who should be moved to the front of the ban line, if they do it.

the only way to show ZOS how mudballing for hours is harrassment, is going to the live streamers of ZOS and mudball them everytime till the stream is over.

The day players get banned for using an emote the devs made available to them will be.... Wait, no, that isn't going to happen. Ever.

At best you'll get the emote removed for everyone, congratulations.

This would be the equivalent of getting banned for spamming emotes/mastery in games like LoL.

SeaGtGruff

Noxavian wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

Megatto wrote: »

I only throw mud at oblivious wardens and sorcs WHO DON'T UNSUMMON THEIR STUPID PETS WHEN THEY'RE AT CRAFTING STATIONS! SHOW SOME COMMON COURTESY FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! REEEEEEEEEE!

Right. Punish others for doing something you don't like them doing. Why stop at role players? We can do it for pets. Maybe we don't like others running through us. Perhaps those people who stand on the counters in front of merchants and bankers need to be harassed, too? Oh! Oh! People who don't take everything from a chest or resource node! No... scratch that. Permanent ban for those people. Sorry.

Don't harass people in the game just because you don't like the way they play the game.

Imagine thinking using a funny emote in a virtual simulation is harassing.

Yikes.

Imagine not being able to understand why doing something for an hour for no other reason than to try to annoy someone, or in this case a group of someones, is harassment. Sad.

JumpmanLane

Mudball them ALL!

Pauls

People nowadays like to pretend being offended or harassed, now catch my mudball

Elsonso

Pauls wrote: »

People nowadays like to pretend being offended or harassed, now catch my mudball

It makes it harder when people exaggerate things, that is for sure. There is truth to the statement that, in our world of constant information, unless something is exaggerated, no one even notices. Still, at some point, it is no longer an exaggeration. The pretending becomes real, as does the harassment. I think an hour of mudballing the same unwilling people meets that bar.

SeaGtGruff

I enjoy mudballing other players-- in Skywatch, during the New Life Festival.

And I don't mind being mudballed or pied by other players-- once in a while.

But that sort of within-context or occasional "fun" isn't what this thread is about.

Arunei

Fair warning, walls of text abound here. Lots of people been replying here lately haha.

@Sanctum74
This is true, but then that's kind of implying RPing is spamming the chat, which I don't think is what you meant, but the people wanting to defend harassment will likely try to jump on it as such.

@JKorr @JobooAGS
Using group can be limiting, especially if DM actions are generally reserved for group so everyone can see them and easily tell that this is DM stuff going on. That being said, no one actually RPs in the zone chat, people use /s and /e, which stands for 'say' and 'emote' respectively, aka these are the channels ZOS intended for RPers to use to RP. Not bolding this at you guys, either, but rather in general for people wanting to yell "lol I don't like RPers spamming chat!". We aren't spamming anything, we're using the channels that were meant to be used for RP. /s and /e are both local channels that only extend to a limited area, an area you can easily pass through in literally two or three seconds. You will, yes, see people asking in /s or /e for help at times, and generally they'll be answered. The chat doesn't usually scroll that fast that people are overlooked unless the RP is happening at a very popular hub (which are exceedingly rare for numerous reasons, trolling/harassment being one of the big ones).

@Sturmfaenger @Kittytravel
Yes, unfortunately trolls have always had means of harassing RPers even before mudballs. People mounting on their horses and rearing constantly, using skills that knock people out of emotes to draw weapons, using exceptionally bright/flashy skills over and over, and things like that. But just because there were and will be other ways for people to troll doesn't mean we can't limit the methods they have, such as by asking for an opt-out on Mementos like the Snow/Mudballs and the Crow attack one I can't remember the name of right now. I do wish there was a guaranteed way to get a different instance, which would really help too. That being said, most (I say most and not all) RPers aren't going to be bothered by someone lobbing a Memento or two and then running off, and aren't going to PM them over it. There's always the exception, but for the most part, us RPers aren't that uptight and ***. It's only when someone purposefully makes themselves a nuisance that we tend to get irritated.

@Veuth
It's not hyperbole, honestly. There are people who legit do this for 30-60+ minutes. Unfortunately blocking them doesn't prevent them from using the Memento and your character reacting to it, and going somewhere else isn't exactly an answer if an event revolves around a specific area, such as a ruin or forest-y type thing. And of course not all people who use the Mementos are trying to troll, what we're talking about are the people who specifically target RPers over any other people in the area and will do it over and over and over and over for an extended period of time.

@Vonbone @EmEm_Oh
The problem with housing is it's actually very limited:
1) The player cap is one of the biggest issues. Even the biggest houses like the Grotto, the Psijic manor, Earthtear Cavern, and so on only allow up to 24 people. The smallest ones only allow two. A lot of guilds have a decent number of people, and using player housing as anything other than a casual meetup spot can often lead to there not being enough room for everyone who wants to take part to come.
2) Most of the houses are actually houses, aside from the larger things like the Grotto and Earthtear. This limits what houses can be used for in terms of setting, such as ruins, an ocean, a forest, and so on. The houses that are large enough to be decorated as such are ones that cost a ridiculous amount of gold, or are only available for huge amounts of Crowns and usually only during certain times of the year.
3) The furniture limit can make decorating a house for a specific use very hard, especially if you don't have ESO+. The furniture limit for the biggest houses is only 350 items without Plus, so if you do have a place you can try to furnish as anything other than a house, you can still be very limited in how detailed it is.
4) Housing really only works with established guilds or groups of people who RP together, and makes it extremely hard to meet new people like RPing in the world lets you do. This is because you either a) have to have the person of the house on your friends or guild list so you can port there (if they even have it set to their primary) or b) have to be in a group with them. There is, of course, the Port to Friends House addon that lets you go to anyone's house, but even then you need to know the person's @name to be able to add them, and this obviously is only available on PC, not console.

@Vorpan
People don't only RP during those times of the year, and people don't usually RP in areas where those events take place to begin with. The problem is people take the Mementos and throw them at people regardless of the time of year or what event is going on.

@eso_lags
Yes, because it's hilarious to interfere with how another person wants to enjoy the game. Would it be hilarious if someone decided to come crash the parts of the game you enjoy, for the sole reason of wanting to irritate and annoy you? I'd like to see proof that 'most RPers' you dealt with are dramatic and toxic, because to me that seems like an abitrary statement with no backing that you're using to make it seem like RPers in general are like this, and thus it excuses people acting like trash towards us. Also, I'd like proof that the people saying "I'm not having problems" are RPers, please, because I'm an RPer, and a lot of my friends are RPers, and guess what? We do other content! I don't do much these days, but we do dungeons, we take parts in events, and we've all complained about how the performance update ZOS touted for months has made the game worse for a lot of people. Those who are saying the game is running better, if you'd actually bothered to read those threads, are from people who actually do content, be it PvE or PvP. So please, stop using RPers as an excuse for you to rag on when the reasons you're using aren't limited to us. A LOT of RPers also do end-game or PvP, and even if we didn't, so what? You sit here and say "oh I think people should play how they like" and then turn around and say if they don't play these certain ways it doesn't apply to them? That's called hypocrisy.

@Curious_Death
People can have different opinions and discussions on different parts of the game, you know. We don't all have to only talk about the performance issues, if that was the case the forums would be nothing but performance threads on every single page. Going by this logic, we could say "well covid-19 is out there doing a lot of damage to the world but your problem is a game not functioning well?" Just because there are other problems going on doesn't mean we can't address other problems that pertain to us.

@gatekeeper13
Either you haven't read the thread at all and jumped in with an inane comment, or you're purposefully being obtuse. It's not the Memento itself, it's the fact that it (and other things) are used to specifically and purposefully target RPers to pester and grief us. If someone was able to come into your dungeon or trial and force your character to stop attacking/healing/buffing with Mementos that force an animation, and they did it over and over with the intent of keeping your from enjoying your content, would it suddenly not be okay? What if people on your alliance in PvP were able to prevent you from healing, fleeing, or attacking when fighting enemy players?

@JJBoomer
Uh, no? We expect that people who "don't like us" (and by what inane logic would they have to "not like us" just because of a few posts they might see in passing through an area where RP is happening? That doesn't sound very adult to me, considering you just claimed we're all adults) to be the adults you state everyone is and just ignore us and move on. There's a difference between accepting a person tossing a mudball or two and moving on, and accepting someone camping an RP for 30-60+ minutes doing it over and over. I don't understand why people have such a hard time telling these two instances apart. It's like you guys think RPers are getting up in arms every time we're hit with a Memento, and that's not the point at all. What we're upset by is people who do it for extended periods of time solely because "they don't like us". Which is never an excuse to treat anyone like trash, either in a game or irl.

@SidraWillowsky
The Mudball is available as an unlimited Mementom as well as finite Mementos you get sometimes in the reward boxes during the Jester's Festival. The Snowball and Crow ones are also Mementos, and thus have infinite uses.

@Cygemai_Hlervu
The RP board is, sadly, generally dead for the most part, which confuses me to be honest. A lot of threads that could go into specific boards tend to make it here on General though, simply because of the fact that this board typically receives the most attention from a majority of the people who visit/use the forums.

@Noxavian
"The day someone gets banned using the chat the devs made available to them...Wait, no, that isn't going to happen. Ever."

Just because something is available in the game does not make it exempt from being used to harass others. Period. Is this really that hard a concept to understand? And honestly, claiming that 'you'll get the emote removed for everyone' is such an overreaction to people asking for things like an opt-out feature, or even for ZOS to just remove the forced animations for the Snow/Mudballs and Crow (which would take care of a lot of the issues right there).

Noxavian

Arunei wrote: »

Fair warning, walls of text abound here. Lots of people been replying here lately haha.

@Sanctum74
This is true, but then that's kind of implying RPing is spamming the chat, which I don't think is what you meant, but the people wanting to defend harassment will likely try to jump on it as such.

@JKorr @JobooAGS
Using group can be limiting, especially if DM actions are generally reserved for group so everyone can see them and easily tell that this is DM stuff going on. That being said, no one actually RPs in the zone chat, people use /s and /e, which stands for 'say' and 'emote' respectively, aka these are the channels ZOS intended for RPers to use to RP. Not bolding this at you guys, either, but rather in general for people wanting to yell "lol I don't like RPers spamming chat!". We aren't spamming anything, we're using the channels that were meant to be used for RP. /s and /e are both local channels that only extend to a limited area, an area you can easily pass through in literally two or three seconds. You will, yes, see people asking in /s or /e for help at times, and generally they'll be answered. The chat doesn't usually scroll that fast that people are overlooked unless the RP is happening at a very popular hub (which are exceedingly rare for numerous reasons, trolling/harassment being one of the big ones).

@Sturmfaenger @Kittytravel
Yes, unfortunately trolls have always had means of harassing RPers even before mudballs. People mounting on their horses and rearing constantly, using skills that knock people out of emotes to draw weapons, using exceptionally bright/flashy skills over and over, and things like that. But just because there were and will be other ways for people to troll doesn't mean we can't limit the methods they have, such as by asking for an opt-out on Mementos like the Snow/Mudballs and the Crow attack one I can't remember the name of right now. I do wish there was a guaranteed way to get a different instance, which would really help too. That being said, most (I say most and not all) RPers aren't going to be bothered by someone lobbing a Memento or two and then running off, and aren't going to PM them over it. There's always the exception, but for the most part, us RPers aren't that uptight and ***. It's only when someone purposefully makes themselves a nuisance that we tend to get irritated.

@Veuth
It's not hyperbole, honestly. There are people who legit do this for 30-60+ minutes. Unfortunately blocking them doesn't prevent them from using the Memento and your character reacting to it, and going somewhere else isn't exactly an answer if an event revolves around a specific area, such as a ruin or forest-y type thing. And of course not all people who use the Mementos are trying to troll, what we're talking about are the people who specifically target RPers over any other people in the area and will do it over and over and over and over for an extended period of time.

@Vonbone @EmEm_Oh
The problem with housing is it's actually very limited:
1) The player cap is one of the biggest issues. Even the biggest houses like the Grotto, the Psijic manor, Earthtear Cavern, and so on only allow up to 24 people. The smallest ones only allow two. A lot of guilds have a decent number of people, and using player housing as anything other than a casual meetup spot can often lead to there not being enough room for everyone who wants to take part to come.
2) Most of the houses are actually houses, aside from the larger things like the Grotto and Earthtear. This limits what houses can be used for in terms of setting, such as ruins, an ocean, a forest, and so on. The houses that are large enough to be decorated as such are ones that cost a ridiculous amount of gold, or are only available for huge amounts of Crowns and usually only during certain times of the year.
3) The furniture limit can make decorating a house for a specific use very hard, especially if you don't have ESO+. The furniture limit for the biggest houses is only 350 items without Plus, so if you do have a place you can try to furnish as anything other than a house, you can still be very limited in how detailed it is.
4) Housing really only works with established guilds or groups of people who RP together, and makes it extremely hard to meet new people like RPing in the world lets you do. This is because you either a) have to have the person of the house on your friends or guild list so you can port there (if they even have it set to their primary) or b) have to be in a group with them. There is, of course, the Port to Friends House addon that lets you go to anyone's house, but even then you need to know the person's @name to be able to add them, and this obviously is only available on PC, not console.

@Vorpan
People don't only RP during those times of the year, and people don't usually RP in areas where those events take place to begin with. The problem is people take the Mementos and throw them at people regardless of the time of year or what event is going on.

@eso_lags
Yes, because it's hilarious to interfere with how another person wants to enjoy the game. Would it be hilarious if someone decided to come crash the parts of the game you enjoy, for the sole reason of wanting to irritate and annoy you? I'd like to see proof that 'most RPers' you dealt with are dramatic and toxic, because to me that seems like an abitrary statement with no backing that you're using to make it seem like RPers in general are like this, and thus it excuses people acting like trash towards us. Also, I'd like proof that the people saying "I'm not having problems" are RPers, please, because I'm an RPer, and a lot of my friends are RPers, and guess what? We do other content! I don't do much these days, but we do dungeons, we take parts in events, and we've all complained about how the performance update ZOS touted for months has made the game worse for a lot of people. Those who are saying the game is running better, if you'd actually bothered to read those threads, are from people who actually do content, be it PvE or PvP. So please, stop using RPers as an excuse for you to rag on when the reasons you're using aren't limited to us. A LOT of RPers also do end-game or PvP, and even if we didn't, so what? You sit here and say "oh I think people should play how they like" and then turn around and say if they don't play these certain ways it doesn't apply to them? That's called hypocrisy.

@Curious_Death
People can have different opinions and discussions on different parts of the game, you know. We don't all have to only talk about the performance issues, if that was the case the forums would be nothing but performance threads on every single page. Going by this logic, we could say "well covid-19 is out there doing a lot of damage to the world but your problem is a game not functioning well?" Just because there are other problems going on doesn't mean we can't address other problems that pertain to us.

@gatekeeper13
Either you haven't read the thread at all and jumped in with an inane comment, or you're purposefully being obtuse. It's not the Memento itself, it's the fact that it (and other things) are used to specifically and purposefully target RPers to pester and grief us. If someone was able to come into your dungeon or trial and force your character to stop attacking/healing/buffing with Mementos that force an animation, and they did it over and over with the intent of keeping your from enjoying your content, would it suddenly not be okay? What if people on your alliance in PvP were able to prevent you from healing, fleeing, or attacking when fighting enemy players?

@JJBoomer
Uh, no? We expect that people who "don't like us" (and by what inane logic would they have to "not like us" just because of a few posts they might see in passing through an area where RP is happening? That doesn't sound very adult to me, considering you just claimed we're all adults) to be the adults you state everyone is and just ignore us and move on. There's a difference between accepting a person tossing a mudball or two and moving on, and accepting someone camping an RP for 30-60+ minutes doing it over and over. I don't understand why people have such a hard time telling these two instances apart. It's like you guys think RPers are getting up in arms every time we're hit with a Memento, and that's not the point at all. What we're upset by is people who do it for extended periods of time solely because "they don't like us". Which is never an excuse to treat anyone like trash, either in a game or irl.

@SidraWillowsky
The Mudball is available as an unlimited Mementom as well as finite Mementos you get sometimes in the reward boxes during the Jester's Festival. The Snowball and Crow ones are also Mementos, and thus have infinite uses.

@Cygemai_Hlervu
The RP board is, sadly, generally dead for the most part, which confuses me to be honest. A lot of threads that could go into specific boards tend to make it here on General though, simply because of the fact that this board typically receives the most attention from a majority of the people who visit/use the forums.

@Noxavian
"The day someone gets banned using the chat the devs made available to them...Wait, no, that isn't going to happen. Ever."

Just because something is available in the game does not make it exempt from being used to harass others. Period. Is this really that hard a concept to understand? And honestly, claiming that 'you'll get the emote removed for everyone' is such an overreaction to people asking for things like an opt-out feature, or even for ZOS to just remove the forced animations for the Snow/Mudballs and Crow (which would take care of a lot of the issues right there).

Throwing a virtual mudball at a character isn't harassment. Period.

Something that you can easily avoid by looking away from the monitor or going to a new location in a video game is. Not. Harassment. Are your feelings being hurt? Is a physical mudball literally coming through the screen and hitting you in the face?

Noxavian

Elsonso wrote: »

Pauls wrote: »

People nowadays like to pretend being offended or harassed, now catch my mudball

It makes it harder when people exaggerate things, that is for sure. There is truth to the statement that, in our world of constant information, unless something is exaggerated, no one even notices. Still, at some point, it is no longer an exaggeration. The pretending becomes real, as does the harassment. I think an hour of mudballing the same unwilling people meets that bar.

An hour of mudballing someone is a major loss for the other person. If you ignore them and just let them sit there for hours doing it, they're losing hours of time for basically no reason.

Not to mention during this time you could always change locations.

While yeah it's annoying, it still isn't harassment. Especially when you have the option to ignore it with no draw backs or just simply move to another place. It's a video game, changing locations takes less than 5min.