The player/rper issue with the mudball/snowball memento and harassment of rpers

Nomadic_Atmoran

eso_lags wrote: »

stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think it's a sad reflection on someone who feels the need to try & disrupt RP'ers. They'd be better served just standing back & watching, as they may discover a facet of the game they are either not familiar with or don't have the courage to try.

I think they'd be better off mudballing people since its in the game and hilarious. And in my experience, with most Rpers ive dealt with, they are extremely over dramatic and toxic so they kind of make the problem worse. Ignoring them would be the best bet but that doesnt seem to happen.

The "they had it coming" logic of an abusive toxic person. You sure this is the kind argument you want to be attached to?

Dusk_Coven

Vlad9425 wrote: »

I always challenge people who throw mud balls at me to a duel and 100% of the time they either lose or don’t accept the duel at all because they’re cowards 😃

Or maybe they're laughing at you by refusing the duel because there's really nothing you can do about it. Meanwhile they'll probably throw another mudball in your face.
And that's the core of the issue -- there's really no counter. It's not even like chat where you can just turn on Ignore.

IRL you'd probably get slapped with disturbing the peace. But there's less and less civility on the internet probably because there's no way to counter it.

If they actually had on-duty GMs, maybe. But probably most companies see it as costing too much money even though it costs them more down the line in CS handling tickets.

LadyDestiny

SofiDesune wrote: »

This is just going to be my own personal opinion, everyone is entitled to their own!

But I have an issue with the mementos.. And it mostly comes from the fact that, as a roleplayer atleast, it is one of -the most beloved way of trolls- to go about harassing us as players.

They see us RPing in the wild Tamriel? Mudball for 1-3 hours.
They see us at the dye station discussing outfits? Mudballs

In general, I would like to think it could be solved.. If just like duels.. You could turn off not wanting to be involved in this.
Because I sure as heck didnt sign up my subscription to constantly be covered in mud by people who wants to spend their evening trying to ruin others.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_BillE

I can't stand that mudball. It's the most annoying thing in the game. People were in vivec yesterday mudballing everyone while trying to get writs done. The thing needs to get disabled or just remove it from the game permanently. Whoever thought this was a good idea needs to be dragged out and thrown in a tar pit.

Rinthetharmo

*** moves like that ought to be banable imo. Im sick of ppl trolling and interfeering in screenshots too. If u cant think ahead that ur actions might ruin other ppls gametime, ur not old enough to play a game with other ppl Perhaps some guideline introduction everytime u make a new character, that states what is considered ok and what is not, and perhaps mention that if u dont care and do these things like in the case of what op writes, then u can be reported and removed from the game.

Lysette

Vlad9425 wrote: »

I always challenge people who throw mud balls at me to a duel and 100% of the time they either lose or don’t accept the duel at all because they’re cowards 😃

or just have auto-decline duels active - in this case they do not even notice the request at all.

preevious

To everyone thinking it's a nice joke / it's funny :

No, it's absolutely not. It's unfunny. A lot. It's the graveyard of humor, of respect, of kindness, of common human decency.

If you people want to mudball RP players, then, rp players should be ables to enter the dungeon you're crawling, and mudball you during boss fights. They should be able to mudball you when you try to survive in PVP.
But hey .. if it was your playfield that was impacted, you'd whine all over the forums. -_-.

Their way of playing if no less valid than yours. Their RP is every bit as important as your PVE and PVE. Every. Last. Bit.
To think otherwise is elitist or moronic at best, deliberately evil at worst.
To think you can wreck their day, because you don't "get" their way of playing is unspeakable.

Please, take a long, hard look at yourself. It's not beautiful.

Lysette

preevious wrote: »

To everyone thinking it's a nice joke / it's funny :

No, it's absolutely not. It's unfunny. A lot. It's the graveyard of humor, of respect, of kindness, of common human decency.

If you people want to mudball RP players, then, rp players should be ables to enter the dungeon you're crawling, and mudball you during boss fights. They should be able to mudball you when you try to survive in PVP.
But hey .. if it was your playfield that was impacted, you'd whine all over the forums. -_-.

Their way of playing if no less valid than yours. Their RP is every bit as important as your PVE and PVE. Every. Last. Bit.
To think otherwise is elitist or moronic at best, deliberately evil at worst.
To think you can wreck their day, because you don't "get" their way of playing is unspeakable.

Please, take a long, hard look at yourself. It's not beautiful.

While yo are correct, this is the worst you could possibly do - show tears. you just gave them what they wanted and why they are doing it.

preevious

Lysette wrote: »

While yo are correct, this is the worst you could possibly do - show tears. you just gave them what they wanted and why they are doing it.

Well, I don't show tear, since I'm not impacted. While I used to rp, a few years back, I don't do it anymore.
I'm showing indignation, and judgement. The same way I'd express it if I saw some cretins torturing a cat. ( and I'm not a cat ). Because, hey .. turns out that, basically, it's the same thing!

I think those kinds of posts are usefull, because there are 2 types of culprits.

1) misguided okay persons : those will think about it and stop, because they are ... okay persons that are, huh, misguided.
2) Sociopathic trolls : those are a lost cause and will continue their behaviour, post or no post.

If trolls get a surge of pleasure from those reactions, well .. it's collateral damage. Still making more good than harm, I believe.

Aigym_Hlervu

Dozens of new notifications in this thread. I've lost any connection of what you've been discussing here, guys, but now I feel like I was mudballed with those incoming messages with no ability to switch them off - a real mudmessage harassment . Where is this damned button..

Malmai

SofiDesune wrote: »

This is just going to be my own personal opinion, everyone is entitled to their own!

But I have an issue with the mementos.. And it mostly comes from the fact that, as a roleplayer atleast, it is one of -the most beloved way of trolls- to go about harassing us as players.

They see us RPing in the wild Tamriel? Mudball for 1-3 hours.
They see us at the dye station discussing outfits? Mudballs

In general, I would like to think it could be solved.. If just like duels.. You could turn off not wanting to be involved in this.
Because I sure as heck didnt sign up my subscription to constantly be covered in mud by people who wants to spend their evening trying to ruin others.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_BillE

universal_wrath

SofiDesune wrote: »

This is just going to be my own personal opinion, everyone is entitled to their own!

But I have an issue with the mementos.. And it mostly comes from the fact that, as a roleplayer atleast, it is one of -the most beloved way of trolls- to go about harassing us as players.

They see us RPing in the wild Tamriel? Mudball for 1-3 hours.
They see us at the dye station discussing outfits? Mudballs

In general, I would like to think it could be solved.. If just like duels.. You could turn off not wanting to be involved in this.
Because I sure as heck didnt sign up my subscription to constantly be covered in mud by people who wants to spend their evening trying to ruin others.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_BillE

I feel you, I always have the crew splash memento on quick slot just for those annoying people. the moment I see them throwing mud balls, I chase them across the zone with my crews till they teleport to another zone. very annoying to deal with those people, so I just have to be more annoying and patient than them to chase them away.

Vandellia

I dont subscribe to its in the game its allowable kind of mentality. I find the mudballs to be the most offensive of the thrown at random players for no reason things in the game. I want an opt out, Here's my logic,when, in the past ive ask the most er um prolific to please stop mudballing me , and gasp gasp get what the response is they go all temper tantrum bratty on me. I dont have to stand there in real life and get kicked in the nether regions , be a target of snowballs,etc . The opt out option is the only effective method of preventing what amounts to Harassment/bullying( by a toxic minority(and thankfully so)) of players. Yea mudballs can be triggering to a minority of us in mmorpgs because of real life history. Fun is fun , thing is if they ask you not to target them dont.

Elsonso

Megatto wrote: »

I only throw mud at oblivious wardens and sorcs WHO DON'T UNSUMMON THEIR STUPID PETS WHEN THEY'RE AT CRAFTING STATIONS! SHOW SOME COMMON COURTESY FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! REEEEEEEEEE!

Right. Punish others for doing something you don't like them doing. Why stop at role players? We can do it for pets. Maybe we don't like others running through us. Perhaps those people who stand on the counters in front of merchants and bankers need to be harassed, too? Oh! Oh! People who don't take everything from a chest or resource node! No... scratch that. Permanent ban for those people. Sorry.

Don't harass people in the game just because you don't like the way they play the game.

Curious_Death

well - skills doesnt work / players have disconnects / cant swap bars / desync of health and damage - your problem is a mudball harassment? - pls tell me it's troll. (i never react... got thrown mud maybe 4-5 times and troll dont get fed so went to another person... go play pvp - i wonder what you gonna do after 20 ppl tea-bag you?)

JJBoomer

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gatekeeper13

So, someone throwing mudballs at you in a video game is now called harassment?

Clint Eastwood was so damn right about our current society...

JJBoomer

though tbf, if you're trying to RP in a world, then you would have to accept that a stranger in that world may not like you and throw some mud at you, yes?

FierceSam wrote: »

Mud balling outside the new life festivities and not between friends is harassment. It’s intended to disrupt and annoy the player being targeted.

No one throws mud balls at players they don’t know without the deliberate intention of causing them distress.

It’s bullying and ZOS should be doing something to prevent it.

This is a gross over-exaggeration. and a horrible false equivalence to actual bullying and harassment. It's also a lot of butt hurt. I mean I thought we were adults here. Also if you're RP'ing in a world, then you need to be able to accept what happens in that world around you as a character in it. If you can't do that, then maybe its not so much about the mud as it is your skills as an rp'er.

you're trying to control other people's actions. which you can't, which is just making you and others more frustrated

Elsonso

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

So, someone throwing mudballs at you in a video game is now called harassment?

Clint Eastwood was so damn right about our current society...

Sure, you can get a person who, after just a random mudball or two in passing, thinks they are being harassed. That is not harassment and players need to shrug that sort of thing off. I think that is what the actor is trying to say.

If you think this is about the mudballs, you are missing the point. When a player spends an hour or more throwing mudballs at a group of players who do not want to be the target of this person, it is no longer about the mudballs.

People calling for mudballs to be removed are also missing the point. The problem is not the mudballs. If someone wants to harass another player, they will find a way, with or without mudballs. The problem is the player who wants to harass, and that can only be resolved by ZOS through the ticket system.

Report them. Be resigned to the fact that ZOS Customer Support could be busy doing other things for the next several hours, days, weeks, or months.

tului78

SofiDesune wrote: »

This is just going to be my own personal opinion, everyone is entitled to their own!

But I have an issue with the mementos.. And it mostly comes from the fact that, as a roleplayer atleast, it is one of -the most beloved way of trolls- to go about harassing us as players.

They see us RPing in the wild Tamriel? Mudball for 1-3 hours.
They see us at the dye station discussing outfits? Mudballs

In general, I would like to think it could be solved.. If just like duels.. You could turn off not wanting to be involved in this.
Because I sure as heck didnt sign up my subscription to constantly be covered in mud by people who wants to spend their evening trying to ruin others.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_BillE

Sheogorath is the god of madness. Just RP it as worshippers of him?

Wedding? Prior post/say "We request all guests ignore any mud thrown on them by followers of Sheogorath. Do not engage them, merely wipe it off. The bride and groom [or guild or whatever you wanna rp] will pay for any clothes to be washed after."

tului78

SofiDesune wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

snoozy wrote: »

i have never encountered this but am sad to hear that rpers are harassed like this. what a pathetic thing to do

i agree there should be an 'opt out' option to prevent this.
or maybe setting a player to ignored could prevent them from interacting with you in any way?

I have a feeling the ignore setting doesn't affect mud/snow-balling.

Sadly no, it doesnt have an effect with anything but the chat..

But I just personally would like an option to say "No thank you" to being mudded and whatnot.

Even a "disable" option that just disabled the graphic locally would help I suppose. Let the mudball maroons see themselves doing it and RP guilds/groups could keep it disabled and not see it. Everyone wins.

JumpmanLane

Well MUDBALLS as a SKILL seem to work. Mudballs aint bugged. Forget your trial. don't queue for that vet dungeon, you'll be waiting for HOURS. Do. NOT. Set. Foot. in. Cyro, unless you're trying to log out lol. Just hang around town, mudballing people! Bonus points for role-players lol.

Vandellia

Honestly, mudballs used outside the event are meaningless, it does not advance a skill or deed it just is a useable, that being said,It is used by a very small to very small minority of active players to at best to annoy other players and at worst is intentionally harassing. Notice i said small to very small minority, that being said, its that said minority that use it as a active way to harass, bug/bother/annoy other players for just that express purpose. I can ignore them. I would prefer to have the opt out option so i dont have to deal with it. Honestly I find zero Joy in mudballs the might casey has struck out.

deleted008293

Look... lets just say one person rp or not is working HARD to organize an event or make a video of it... he works hard over several weeks or months and shoot a certain scene over and over due to different problems such as missing people, crashes, bad camera, weather conditions, etc... then when finally got it all right X come, jump right in the middle of the scene and start mudballing or throw meteors or whatever in the middle of the scene. At least parts of the issues could be fixed by allowing a player to BLOCK other players (all or selected) emoticons, animations or mementos.

Thing is this game need priority focus in thousands other areas before this so it won't happen anytime soon.

Banana

bearbelly wrote: »

Banana wrote: »

It happens. It's the internet. I moved to another zone last time some ass clown was doing me at the outfit station

So you're saying that your solution was to split.

Yes......with ice cream

NotaDaedraWorshipper

I don't get what's so hard to understand for some people. This is not about mudballs/snowballs and whatnot. It's about harassment, yes because that's what it is. Doesn't matter that it's in a game and "just pixels". This is 2020 and harassment over the internet is very much a thing.

Most roleplayers aren't asking for the removal of mudballs or some change to it. Most are also fine with a mudball throw once or twice, it happens. Like everyone else we shrug it off. This is about when it becomes clear harassment and it's more than just mudballs, though mudballs are mostly used for it.

The best solution would be what Guild Wars 2 did, which is to give the option feature to not be able to be a target for mementos that forces an effect on you from others. It would remove at least one way scum can harass people, yet make no changes for people who likes to use them for genuine fun.

And to those people that comments that they are "roleplaying" or that roleplayers shall see it as an in character thing - No, just no. They are not roleplaying in any way, they are harassing and ruining others fun, because if they were roleplaying they would accept the consequences of their actions.

EmEm_Oh

FierceSam wrote: »

Mud balling outside the new life festivities and not between friends is harassment. It’s intended to disrupt and annoy the player being targeted.

No one throws mud balls at players they don’t know without the deliberate intention of causing them distress.

It’s bullying and ZOS should be doing something to prevent it.

Why wouldn't throwing mudballs at people during the festivities be bullying.

I'm still trying to find a justification for RP being in the open ESO world these days as they tend to go from home to home, keeping it very personable, and there's no way you can get in unless you're a member and if any kind of "bullying" happens, you'll get kicked from the housing areas.

Dojohoda

Toggle would be good:
On/Off: Non-combat effects applied to you by other players will have no effect, examples: mudball, pie, snowballs

Veuth

TL;DR

Mudballs are fun and games till some lowlife stalks and splatters people for hours on end just to get a rise out of them.

SidraWillowsky

I didn't realize the mudball thing was an emote. Is it not possible to do the same thing with mudballs as they do with pies and give people a finite amount?

GalexPK

Guys, i think the only way to show ZOS how mudballing for hours is harrassment, is going to the live streamers of ZOS and mudball them everytime till the stream is over.