Why nerf Iceheart?

karekiz

The sanctity of Achievements are now saved.

Pras ZoS.

BTW how much does a run Cloudrest HM cost now-a-days? Asking for a friend....

darthgummibear_ESO

This is hilariously bad. Their response to the overwhelmingly negative feedback was to nerf the shield a second time.

ixie

darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »

This is hilariously bad. Their response to the overwhelmingly negative feedback was to nerf the shield a second time.

agree, and every time they nerf the shield the damage is also nerfed since the damage persists only as long as the shield, and their explanation makes no sense

I'm a very calm and patient person, today I rage quit

MellowMagic

Just take the damage off and restore the shield strength to atleast 7k. Introduce 2 damage dealing ice monster sets q3 and call it a day.

ArtOfShred

Well, reducing the CD back to 6 sec for Iceheart is a big rebuff at least.

Initial change was:
Reduced the damage shield this set provides to 6050 from 8600.
- Reduced the damage per tick to 500 from 770.
- Increased the cooldown to 12 seconds from 6.
Effectively nerfing the set to about 33% of its original efficiency.

With the changes we're at:
5000 damage shield (58% of live shield)
500 damage tick (65% of live damage)
6 sec cd (same as live)

If we weight both the shield and damage equally the set has been nerfed to around 61.5% of its efficiency. You could definitely make the argument that the lower shield lowers damage uptime. But this is definitely a lot better than the last iteration.

darthgummibear_ESO

ArtOfShred wrote: »

Well, reducing the CD back to 6 sec for Iceheart is a big rebuff at least.

Initial change was:
Reduced the damage shield this set provides to 6050 from 8600.
- Reduced the damage per tick to 500 from 770.
- Increased the cooldown to 12 seconds from 6.
Effectively nerfing the set to about 33% of its original efficiency.

With the changes we're at:
5000 damage shield (58% of live shield)
500 damage tick (65% of live damage)
6 sec cd (same as live)

If we weight both the shield and damage equally the set has been nerfed to around 61.5% of its efficiency. You could definitely make the argument that the lower shield lowers damage uptime. But this is definitely a lot better than the last iteration.

I think this final iteration was their intention all along.

DreadDaedroth

Which is silly. Super unneeded nerf and then give the phony appearance that they tested more and listened to community. Plus it's the only ice monster set in the game.

pklemming

Well, that is the last feeback I am giving on this game. Obviously we are not listened to. PTS I will continue to use for my own build sets and parses, but I have no interest in being a free playtester, after all, if feedback similar to what we have given can be ignored, what it the point?

As far as the game goes, I am now actively looking for something else, preferably with a dev team that actualy listens to the players. I will still keep playing in the interim, and my eso + account has a while to run. Once(if) I find something, I will do my best to try and get as many of my ingame friends to follow as that is now what I primarily play this game for.

pklemming

Sorry, poor spelling and I finished on a preposition. I am really annoyed.

TheUndeadAmulet

Ahahahahahahaha $!?/*# off ZOS. This just convinced me that buying the new chapter is a waste of time and money.

Canned_Apples

To sell more DLC packs.
Yay!
Yet another nerf.

Runefang

If they think the secondary function is to avoid damage so that the shield stays up and continues to deal damage then that damage should double every second the shield is active. Then it might actually be worth shield stacking to keep it going and it functions more as a damage set than a defensive set.

On live the damage is already so low I never bother to think “I should go stand next to the mobs so iceheart hits them”, with the damage nerf it’s not going to change. Well I just won’t be wearing it anymore anyway.

satanio

edit: typos

Shantu

I would like to say "Unbelievable!!".... but it's not. We all need to get a clue.

llBlack_Heartll

Runefang wrote: »

If they think the secondary function is to avoid damage so that the shield stays up and continues to deal damage then that damage should double every second the shield is active. Then it might actually be worth shield stacking to keep it going and it functions more as a damage set than a defensive set.

On live the damage is already so low I never bother to think “I should go stand next to the mobs so iceheart hits them”, with the damage nerf it’s not going to change. Well I just won’t be wearing it anymore anyway.

5k Shield is like 1 hit, you won’t even see the damage, it might tick once or twice lol.
It needs to have 1 blast of damage, that has a %chance to proc Chill.

snoozy

nerfing the shield even further. wow.

enough with those bs changes. this seriously sucks ass. maybe stop ignoring feedback and start caring about your paying customers??

MellowMagic wrote: »

Just take the damage off and restore the shield strength to atleast 7k. Introduce 2 damage dealing ice monster sets q3 and call it a day.

agree. shield is the main point of running iceheart, just get rid of the damage. in its current state it's gonna be useless

SirMewser

Now they are both trash so neither are enticing! xD
Oh man, I can't wait to not purchase next DLC!

JadonSky

We understand your complaints about the nerf, here is another nerf to help you with your complaining.

The_Lex

I don't really have an incentive to buy this DLC. They even said in the Live event that the story line is "marginally" advanced by this dungeon. Given what they did to Iceheart, and the fact that do not listen (or care) about player feedback on PTS, I really don't feel any compulsion to buy this DLC. I might wait for the story DLC in a few months, but we'll see.

Hurbster

Isn't the PRIMARY function of any damage shield to stay up so it stops you from oh I dunno - TAKING DAMAGE ?

Dusk_Coven

CynicK wrote: »

How people like me are supposed to do vet maelstorm arena now? I did not hear any outcry against it from the pvp community and sets that are for pve should not necessarily adhere to those strength standards, but we know that when they do those things they never rectify.

Your niche activity will now not even have a niche set to support it.

You could, of course, just not do their play-to-lose activity. After all, 100 runs just to say "this is not the weapon I was looking for" is going to take even longer now.

Altyrann

And after all this, Mother Ciannait still looks worse than Iceheart!

Revert Iceheart, then work out how to make Mother Ciannait interesting by comparison. Strictly in that order.

VaxtinTheWolf

Okay so.. One of the comments gave me an idea. Take the total damage that Iceheart does on live over 6 seconds, then halve it. The first half damages in AOE when the shield is initially activated, and the second half of damage goes off when the shield lasts it's full 6 second duration and expires.

satanio

Altyrann wrote: »

And after all this, Mother Ciannait still looks worse than Iceheart!

Revert Iceheart, then work out how to make Mother Ciannait interesting by comparison. Strictly in that order.

And my today's LotR meme trilogy ends.



You all know the story.

edit:typo

Altyrann

satanio wrote: »

Altyrann wrote: »

And after all this, Mother Ciannait still looks worse than Iceheart!

Revert Iceheart, then work out how to make Mother Ciannait interesting by comparison. Strictly in that order.

And my today's LotR meme trilogy ends.



You all know the story.

Argh. Icehearth!

Vildebill

Dusk_Coven

The_Lex wrote: »

I don't really have an incentive to buy this DLC. They even said in the Live event that the story line is "marginally" advanced by this dungeon. Given what they did to Iceheart, and the fact that do not listen (or care) about player feedback on PTS, I really don't feel any compulsion to buy this DLC. I might wait for the story DLC in a few months, but we'll see.

I'm thinking of only getting this DLC from people who are sitting on a pile of Crowns they don't know what to do with.
Certainly not with new RL money. Especially when just like the previous dungeon DLCs I won't be able to properly even see the story in a 4-man dungeon that people won't even want to do.

Xvorg

Dracane wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Okay so now that the damage shield is tanked even more. Why is the already pitiful damage still being destroyed? Wonderful zos. Just wonderful.

But you just have to love their explaination.

They want Iceheart to be played with care while the mother set is supposed to be played boldly... Yet icehearts deals damage that only applies when you... stand amidst enemies/boldly in danger. Meaning iceheart wants you to go in or am I wrong?

Give IH 28 mts range and I'm ok with the nerf...

It is practically useless. Not good for dmg (was it good at some point?), not good as a shield.

Good news is that Juha 's templar friends can go with MC and get similar scores...

Nebthet78

Remember, give your feedback via your wallet and DON'T BUY the new DLC!!!!! That's the only thing ZOS will listen to at this point!!! And cancel your subs for a while too!

Xvorg

darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »

This is hilariously bad. Their response to the overwhelmingly negative feedback was to nerf the shield a second time.

I think they are running certain experiment à la Pavlov... if we complaint about a nerf, then the next step is to do exactly the opposite (a stronger nerf), discouraging further unwanted feedback.

By the way, has anyone tested MC with cast time ultis? I've got a feeling this set was designed with magicka cast time ultis in mind, especially for mageblades and mageblade healers.