Would you like ESO to finaly add a Dwarven Race to the game.

karekiz

Yes

I want dwemer with dragon shouts, and to be the dovahkiin empereor.

And be a WW at the same time.



Doubtful they will do it. Always feel Dwemer is inside a locked glass with "In case of bad Elder Scroll main series sales break here".

Aztrias

No

SosRuvaak wrote: »

why not

I don't think the Dwemer were blue

TheShadowScout

No

Starlock wrote: »

Especially since they wouldn't add the beards. THE BEARDS!

Who says they won't at some point? In crown crates, presumably, but... maybe also as "dwemer style pack" with hairstyles as well... (or first as the latter, then in the former?)

BjernarKhan wrote: »

I don't think the Dwemer were blue

Of course, it IS hard to gauge seeing how we only have ghosts (who often have corpse-green or blue skin colors) and one heavily diseased dwemer to extrapolate data from...
...but it seems likely they too had a range of skin tones (duh). Much like the altmer go from pale to gold-yellow, or the dunmer from light grey to dark grey, or... etc.
Sooo... could well be that the dwemer were ranging from pale grey to slightly greenish and/or blue-ish skin tones?

myskyrim26

No

@TheShadowScout

Dwemer can't be blue. They look like Altmer because they are same race. Dwemer, Altmer and Chimer all have the same appearance. Dwemer and Chimer adopted their name because of cultural reasons. Later Chimer changed appearance and became Dunmer - grey skin, red eyes. Dwemer never changed their appearance - tall elves, golden skin.

max_only

No

Lore doesn’t matter to this team though. I’m sure they’ll introduce Dwarves for “balance” aka money

Goregrinder

No

EvilAutoTech wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

jazsper77 wrote: »

Lol, everyone talking about Lore and ESO LOLOLOL. Do I need to list list the Lore abuse ESO has done to TES in the last 5+ yrs.

There is a reason why the LOREMASTER left ESO. Lolololol

Furthermore there is NOTHING FROM THE DWEMER EVER REVERSING there disappearing. Where you know it’s been hundreds of years in our time but only minutes to them.

Omg Lore argument lololololol .

Yeah sorry, but it just wouldn't make sense bud. Might as well ad Ninja Assassin's with laser beams for eye balls, and mechanical sharks that launch missiles.

Those sharks would be awesome if they followed you around in a sharknado. I'm thinking 3 hammerheads but makos could work as well.

I'd prefer Great Whites tbh. They'd also have tiny circular saws as teeth, and 30 CAL machine guns attached under each fin.

Lady_Sleepless

No

Nope. The dwemer are gone.

eklhaftb16_ESO

Undecided

Well, I would like to play a dwarf, but on the other hand... they are supposed to be an ancient mystery, that's their entire point. You don't get to be a dwarf in ESO, just like you don't get to be an Assyrian in real world.

TheShadowScout

No

myskyrim26 wrote: »

Dwemer can't be blue. They look like Altmer because they are same race.

No, they are not.
They are two completely different races of mer, both hailing from the original race of mer, the aldmer, but many millenia apart in coming to tamriel, building their civilization and cultuer and everything.

myskyrim26 wrote: »

Dwemer, Altmer and Chimer all have the same appearance.

There is no evidence for that, and quite some indication against it.

myskyrim26 wrote: »

Dwemer and Chimer adopted their name because of cultural reasons.

True on the latter, but pure speculation on the former. The more accepted reasoning the name came into being because the dwemer settled the underground... and thus it would be logical they might have adapted to their choosen habitat during the merithic era, much like other elves did (maormer, bosmer, falmer).

What IS known is that the dwemer are less closely related to the altmer then the maormer, since there is no tale of their splitting off from the aldmer after the exitus from aldmeris, like with the Maormer going off to do their own thing during the journey... or the bosmer afterwards... or the ayleids and chimer later still, or the orsimer with a little daedric help...
...so it stands to reason the Dwemer likely split off before that time, in ages which history is lost in the TES lore.
And, well... Altmer and Maormer look a bit different, don't they? Despite both being descendants from aldmer... so the likelyhood of the dwemer changing somewhat in appearance is rather high.

myskyrim26 wrote: »

Later Chimer changed appearance and became Dunmer - grey skin, red eyes.

Yes, unlike Dwemer, Chimer on the other hand DID split off later, AFTER the people of aldmeris came to tamriel and settled on the summerset isles - because they differences as to who to worship.

As did the Ayleids, for that matter, who also were into daecric cults, and may have had a slightly more brownish skin palette then the classic altmer (Check out the Last Ayleid King in ESO sometime!).

Same for the Bosmer for that matter, who definitely don't show anything of their aldmer ancestry anymore...

FYI, the case of snow elves is also an blank. There are no tales of them splitting off the altmer either, so its kinda likely they might have come to tamriel before that time about which such histories are available as well.
Possibly settled the snowy fields of skyrim at the same time in the merithic era as the dwemer settled the dark caverns below it... a case could be made for those two being more closely related then altmer and maormer, but there just isn't any information.

myskyrim26 wrote: »

Dwemer never changed their appearance - tall elves, golden skin.

Again, that is pure speculation, and at the very least they deem to be tending more towards darker hair colors then altmer.

And it -would- be very, very plausible for them to have their coloration change with their new habitat, after all, underground living does have several effects on pigmentation due to lack of sunlight, and might have had several more due to changes in diet...

Heck, even shades of blue for dwemer would be -quite- possible when you remember conditions like Argyria, which is caused by excessive expusore to silver dust. And for a race messing with metals like ALL the time... might have been that this is how it started, and over the millenia it became a part of their racial makeup (be it genetics or magic adaptation...), right?

In the end, the only ones who can make this decidion are the oney who hold the license to tweak the lore. If they want blue dwemer, they can make blue dwemer (and all the smurf jokes you can handle!).

CMDR_Un1k0rn

No

OP should play D&D with a creative DM. Lots of room there for homebrew races.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

No

Go back to WoW.

myskyrim26

No

TheShadowScout wrote: »

myskyrim26 wrote: »

Dwemer can't be blue. They look like Altmer because they are same race.

No, they are not.
They are two completely different races of mer, both hailing from the original race of mer, the aldmer, but many millenia apart in coming to tamriel, building their civilization and cultuer and everything.

myskyrim26 wrote: »

Dwemer, Altmer and Chimer all have the same appearance.

There is no evidence for that, and quite some indication against it.

myskyrim26 wrote: »

Dwemer and Chimer adopted their name because of cultural reasons.

True on the latter, but pure speculation on the former. The more accepted reasoning the name came into being because the dwemer settled the underground... and thus it would be logical they might have adapted to their choosen habitat during the merithic era, much like other elves did (maormer, bosmer, falmer).

What IS known is that the dwemer are less closely related to the altmer then the maormer, since there is no tale of their splitting off from the aldmer after the exitus from aldmeris, like with the Maormer going off to do their own thing during the journey... or the bosmer afterwards... or the ayleids and chimer later still, or the orsimer with a little daedric help...
...so it stands to reason the Dwemer likely split off before that time, in ages which history is lost in the TES lore.
And, well... Altmer and Maormer look a bit different, don't they? Despite both being descendants from aldmer... so the likelyhood of the dwemer changing somewhat in appearance is rather high.

myskyrim26 wrote: »

Later Chimer changed appearance and became Dunmer - grey skin, red eyes.

Yes, unlike Dwemer, Chimer on the other hand DID split off later, AFTER the people of aldmeris came to tamriel and settled on the summerset isles - because they differences as to who to worship.

As did the Ayleids, for that matter, who also were into daecric cults, and may have had a slightly more brownish skin palette then the classic altmer (Check out the Last Ayleid King in ESO sometime!).

Same for the Bosmer for that matter, who definitely don't show anything of their aldmer ancestry anymore...

FYI, the case of snow elves is also an blank. There are no tales of them splitting off the altmer either, so its kinda likely they might have come to tamriel before that time about which such histories are available as well.
Possibly settled the snowy fields of skyrim at the same time in the merithic era as the dwemer settled the dark caverns below it... a case could be made for those two being more closely related then altmer and maormer, but there just isn't any information.

myskyrim26 wrote: »

Dwemer never changed their appearance - tall elves, golden skin.

Again, that is pure speculation, and at the very least they deem to be tending more towards darker hair colors then altmer.

And it -would- be very, very plausible for them to have their coloration change with their new habitat, after all, underground living does have several effects on pigmentation due to lack of sunlight, and might have had several more due to changes in diet...

Heck, even shades of blue for dwemer would be -quite- possible when you remember conditions like Argyria, which is caused by excessive expusore to silver dust. And for a race messing with metals like ALL the time... might have been that this is how it started, and over the millenia it became a part of their racial makeup (be it genetics or magic adaptation...), right?

In the end, the only ones who can make this decidion are the oney who hold the license to tweak the lore. If they want blue dwemer, they can make blue dwemer (and all the smurf jokes you can handle!).

Sorry, but the information about Dwemer, Altmer and Chimer being ONE race and be of ONE and the same appearance comes from developers. I did a lot of research on TIL. The information is clear and straightforward: one race, one appearance.

SocialAssassin

Yes

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

Go back to WoW.

You first.

TheShadowScout

No

myskyrim26 wrote: »

Sorry, but the information about Dwemer, Altmer and Chimer being ONE race and be of ONE and the same appearance comes from developers. I did a lot of research on TIL. The information is clear and straightforward: one race, one appearance.

Well, I found no such information in the lore, and I did a lot of research myself.
So, until and unless I see some evidence more solid then hearsay that for one this really IS the conseus among the developers and not just an thoughtless remark, and for another is still the general idea and not discarded like many others because someone rethought something... I will remain unconvinced.

Of course, the easiest way might be just waiting until we do see them in some "flashback" quest in ESO someday. Which i reckon will likely eventually happen.

In the end, I guess it will depend on what ZOS chooses to do with the dwemer.

If they ever would unravel that part of their mystery (how they looked), or not. And when, if they want to go with "looks like altmer" or make it slightly different... like mentioned, they DID make the Aylsid king a little more brownish then most altmer, so there is that... might be, they will decide to make the dwemer in a flashback scene someday, and decide to make them pale grey (which would make a great deal more sense for a subterrean race locked away from the sun) to have more visual distinction.
Or heck, perhaps even blue...
(though I have to admit, they have that for ogres and rieklings anyhow, so there is that)

Finedaible

No

The mystery is part of the magic that keeps the lore about the Dwemer intriguing.

If they suddenly came out and said, "Well hey, scratch that" and dropped a cheesy Dragon Break explanation for why Tamriel has suddenly been invaded by previously dissapeared Dwemer in the early 2nd Era and no one bats an eye, it would be an insult and a travesty to the established world and lore. None of the quests about investigating dwemer ruins would make sense when the characters could just speak to one (even you).

If the Dwemer did return somehow, they'd likely be ascending to godhood - assuming they haven't already - and conquering the world. I mean, these guys didn't revere any god, forcefully mutated the Snow Elves into the Falmer, built machines which could read flippin' Elder Scrolls and store its information without repercussions, and tapped into the heart of Lorkhan to create a mechanical god. They don't seem like the type of race that gets along well with others.

MythicEmperor

No

No, no, no, no. The Dwemer are gone. Poof. Vanished. Likely became the skin of the Numidium or zero summed. To play them would be lore heresy, and I don’t think even ESO would bend the lore so far. If they did, well it would it be the single worst decision ever made in the Elder Scrolls franchise, and that is saying something.

OneForSorrow

No

I definitely want more races. I think they can add excitement to MMORPGs and, yes, Elder Scrolls has introduced races before.

Personally I'd like to see Maormer and Lilmothiit (I feel like given our current point in time some surviving populations are out there, they just won't be much longer).

Dwemer are long gone, though, and it would be jarring to suddenly have them around.

OtarTheMad

No

The ONLY way I think we would see a Dwemer is if we travel back in time, which we have done, or we meet Yagrum Bagarn who is the only living Dwemer. Otherwise than that, they are dead.

TheShadowScout

No

OneForSorrow wrote: »

Personally I'd like to see Maormer and Lilmothiit (I feel like given our current point in time some surviving populations are out there, they just won't be much longer).

Its quite possible.
I mean, sure, the knarhaten flu killed all of the foxies in black marsh... and few of them ever travelled to other lands... but there ought to be -some-; it has only been 20 years since the flu after all. So...a displaced family in nibenay, perhaps, or a couple of slaves in tear, or a exiled hunter in skyrim... it should be possibvle to see some Lilmothiit here and there.

Maormer, definitely; they are around and going strong, raiding the altmer coastlines each year, and generally making an annoyance of themselves on the high seas... even tho they seldom mingle with the "landwalkers", there is always the good old "exiled/fled" narrative to have them on the mainland... And seeing two of them in the dragonguard gives me hope that we might see them as crown store race one of those days...

But its all been said before:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/422285/new-player-race-possibilities/p1

Fermian

Yes

If there is one still alive, there can be others. Maybe a completely different tribe or a race close to the dwemer. If they live in isolation I don’t see it hurting any lore. A couple of player characters don’t have to leave any evidence behind.

Lord_Hypnos

No

How about No.

Might as well just continue this nonsense with adding/ bringing back the left-handed elves and gods know whatever else race that has been killed off and/or has vanished.

Just let some things be out of reach and unobtainable and be happy with what you have.

TheShadowScout

No

Fermian wrote: »

If there is one still alive, there can be others. Maybe a completely different tribe or a race close to the dwemer. If they live in isolation I don’t see it hurting any lore. A couple of player characters don’t have to leave any evidence behind.

Well, no, not really.
Not unless they are so isolated they never get discovred, not even by player characters... aka, don't appear in the game.

See, the fate of the dwemer is that big a mystery, -everyone- in the mages guild would pile on any hint of living dwemer. Some make it their whole lifes work to find such a hint! And Yagrum DID spend his life (or from the ESO point of view, time-wise, IS spending his life) in search of ANY such hint, and yet we know from the conversations in TES-III:Morrowind he never found a -glimpse-; despite eventually having help from some of the most powerful wizards in tamriel (Divarth Fyr and his allies, who definitely would have shared any such hint if there was one to be found).

So, there is that. Not a glimpse to be found, except ghosts, automatons, and the possibility of flashback quests (which I really hope we might get!)
And that is why the mystery is so... mysterious!

imno007b14_ESO

Yes

The lore, the lore, learn the lore, blah blah blah. Come on, people, the lore can change. Why not a miraculous return of the dwarves? Maybe the fact that some of you can't imagine it just points to... well, a poverty of imagination.

Czekoludek

No

imno007b14_ESO wrote: »

The lore, the lore, learn the lore, blah blah blah. Come on, people, the lore can change. Why not a miraculous return of the dwarves? Maybe the fact that some of you can't imagine it just points to... well, a poverty of imagination.

It is okay to add things and expand the lore, problem is the dwarven mystery is one of the greatest aspect of ES lore for many players. We got only small hints rather then straight answers, we see the remains everywhere, almost all npc in all games know that they exist and disappear... We have scholars that dedicated their whole life to study dwarven technology and culture, yet still there is that one big "why?" which gives us countless theories, speculations and talks among fans. So why change something that is so great in elder scrolls lore when we have so many topics that waits to be expanded? Personally I would like a story of new mysterious deadric Prince that is unknown for mortals (as lore specified we know only 17 daedric princes but there is theory that it isn't all of daedric princes that exist, as some of them may work from shadows/never found nirn as intresting to them).

Araneae6537

No

imno007b14_ESO wrote: »

The lore, the lore, learn the lore, blah blah blah. Come on, people, the lore can change. Why not a miraculous return of the dwarves? Maybe the fact that some of you can't imagine it just points to... well, a poverty of imagination.

Of course we can imagine, but that is part of the appeal of these mysteries! It would change the lore in a way that would detract for many players, myself included. A fantasy world should be consistent with its own rules and lore as this is part of the fun of these imagine alternate realities.

imno007b14_ESO

Yes

Araneae6537 wrote: »

imno007b14_ESO wrote: »

The lore, the lore, learn the lore, blah blah blah. Come on, people, the lore can change. Why not a miraculous return of the dwarves? Maybe the fact that some of you can't imagine it just points to... well, a poverty of imagination.

Of course we can imagine, but that is part of the appeal of these mysteries! It would change the lore in a way that would detract for many players, myself included. A fantasy world should be consistent with its own rules and lore as this is part of the fun of these imagine alternate realities.

The "rules and lore" are whatever the writers decide they are. We're not discussing actual real history here (although some of that is being rewritten too to appease some nutjobs, now that I think about it), but fantasy. It can be flexible. Anyway, I don't really care either way myself if we get dwarves or not, but it would be nice to get a some kind of new playable race in the near future. Satyrs, anyone? Kobolds?

SidraWillowsky

No

imno007b14_ESO wrote: »

The lore, the lore, learn the lore, blah blah blah. Come on, people, the lore can change. Why not a miraculous return of the dwarves? Maybe the fact that some of you can't imagine it just points to... well, a poverty of imagination.

Not "can't"... don't want to.

myskyrim26 wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

myskyrim26 wrote: »

Dwemer can't be blue. They look like Altmer because they are same race.

No, they are not.
They are two completely different races of mer, both hailing from the original race of mer, the aldmer, but many millenia apart in coming to tamriel, building their civilization and cultuer and everything.

myskyrim26 wrote: »

Dwemer, Altmer and Chimer all have the same appearance.

There is no evidence for that, and quite some indication against it.

myskyrim26 wrote: »

Dwemer and Chimer adopted their name because of cultural reasons.

True on the latter, but pure speculation on the former. The more accepted reasoning the name came into being because the dwemer settled the underground... and thus it would be logical they might have adapted to their choosen habitat during the merithic era, much like other elves did (maormer, bosmer, falmer).

What IS known is that the dwemer are less closely related to the altmer then the maormer, since there is no tale of their splitting off from the aldmer after the exitus from aldmeris, like with the Maormer going off to do their own thing during the journey... or the bosmer afterwards... or the ayleids and chimer later still, or the orsimer with a little daedric help...
...so it stands to reason the Dwemer likely split off before that time, in ages which history is lost in the TES lore.
And, well... Altmer and Maormer look a bit different, don't they? Despite both being descendants from aldmer... so the likelyhood of the dwemer changing somewhat in appearance is rather high.

myskyrim26 wrote: »

Later Chimer changed appearance and became Dunmer - grey skin, red eyes.

Yes, unlike Dwemer, Chimer on the other hand DID split off later, AFTER the people of aldmeris came to tamriel and settled on the summerset isles - because they differences as to who to worship.

As did the Ayleids, for that matter, who also were into daecric cults, and may have had a slightly more brownish skin palette then the classic altmer (Check out the Last Ayleid King in ESO sometime!).

Same for the Bosmer for that matter, who definitely don't show anything of their aldmer ancestry anymore...

FYI, the case of snow elves is also an blank. There are no tales of them splitting off the altmer either, so its kinda likely they might have come to tamriel before that time about which such histories are available as well.
Possibly settled the snowy fields of skyrim at the same time in the merithic era as the dwemer settled the dark caverns below it... a case could be made for those two being more closely related then altmer and maormer, but there just isn't any information.

myskyrim26 wrote: »

Dwemer never changed their appearance - tall elves, golden skin.

Again, that is pure speculation, and at the very least they deem to be tending more towards darker hair colors then altmer.

And it -would- be very, very plausible for them to have their coloration change with their new habitat, after all, underground living does have several effects on pigmentation due to lack of sunlight, and might have had several more due to changes in diet...

Heck, even shades of blue for dwemer would be -quite- possible when you remember conditions like Argyria, which is caused by excessive expusore to silver dust. And for a race messing with metals like ALL the time... might have been that this is how it started, and over the millenia it became a part of their racial makeup (be it genetics or magic adaptation...), right?

In the end, the only ones who can make this decidion are the oney who hold the license to tweak the lore. If they want blue dwemer, they can make blue dwemer (and all the smurf jokes you can handle!).

Sorry, but the information about Dwemer, Altmer and Chimer being ONE race and be of ONE and the same appearance comes from developers. I did a lot of research on TIL. The information is clear and straightforward: one race, one appearance.

I don't see it anywhere aside from the TESLore subreddit, and even that is apparently based completely on the fact that the Chimer referred to the Dwemer as "House Dwemer". And the fan theories postulating that they're the same race appear to be regarded as crackpot by the lore community. There has been zero indication that the devs have said anything about that. If it in fact exists, please point us to it.

VaranisArano

imno007b14_ESO wrote: »

The lore, the lore, learn the lore, blah blah blah. Come on, people, the lore can change. Why not a miraculous return of the dwarves? Maybe the fact that some of you can't imagine it just points to... well, a poverty of imagination.

Leaving the mystery open-ended lets the whole TES community engage in the act of imagination as we all think about the question "What happened to the Dwemer?"

Answering that question in a TES game negates the imagination and instead restricts it to the relative handful of writers tasked with coming up with that answer.

To illustrate, I'll quote Stephen King, speaking about horror.
"Nothing is so frightening as what's behind the closed door. The audience holds its breath along with the protagonist as she/he (more often she) approaches that door. The protagonist throws it open, and there is a ten-foot-tall bug. The audience screams, but this particular scream has an oddly relieved sound to it. 'A bug ten feet tall is pretty horrible', the audience thinks, 'but I can deal with a ten-foot-tall bug. I was afraid it might be a hundred feet tall'."

In a very similar fashion, revealing the mystery of the Dwemer might be satisfying, but it will never quite match up to the work of the imagination that went on before the mystery was revealed.

m2rc

No

Dwarves are cool and all but it wouldn't fit the lore. They've been gone for thousands of years before ESO, why do they just magically come back and as a playable race as well?

mateosalvaje

No

Sorry.

I'm not even sure how many decades/ centuries/ millennia back we would have to go to make it feasible 🤔