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Is it rude to tell someone "l2p"?
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Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Simply no.Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »At this moment 44% agree ...
L2Statistic
Looks at the poll
L2count friend
Nope, L2Statistic.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Is it rude to tell someone "l2p"? 520 votes
Yes: 45% = 235 votes
Yes: 25% = 131 votes
No: 11% = 58 votes
No: 11% = 59 votes
Other 7% = 37 votes
LOL
Yes, but doesn't = yes friend.
That means if I say "l2p" but then I explain why you need to l2p it's not offensive. If it's not offensive that makes it a NO. Ok now that we cleared up how words work let's try this again.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Today I learned how to count like a trumpster. Neat.
LOL I'm a trumpster now because you don't know how to read a poll XD
L2P
Yes, ofcourse.
45% = 235 votes
Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn.
25% =132 votes (The "but" doesn't count and grammatically isn't even needed in the sentence. Therefore, still counts as a resounding YES, no matter how much you try to spin it to fit your agenda.)
It's okay though, you think you do, but, in reality, you really don't. That is okay though, no need to wring them limp wrists over it.
Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn
This is what in English is called a modifier. If it was just "yes" it would be under "yes, of course." The reason it is its own category is it can be Yes or no. At best then we can determine that it probably belongs best in either No, or Other because if it was just offensive there would be no need to modify the circumstances.
"That is okay though, no need to wring them limp wrists over it."
Oh woah, did the pearl clutcher just imply I'm gay in a derogatory manner? Surprise surprise, the true face comes out. Keep earning those internet points so you can feel like a good person and not the actual trash you are. Funny that's the way your insults go when you're the one that seems to be so ass blasted about reality. I guess that's how projection works though.
Go get that prolapse checked before you respond to an adult2 -
StormeReigns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Other (type in comment)Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »At this moment 44% agree ...
L2Statistic
Looks at the poll
L2count friend
Nope, L2Statistic.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Is it rude to tell someone "l2p"? 520 votes
Yes: 45% = 235 votes
Yes: 25% = 131 votes
No: 11% = 58 votes
No: 11% = 59 votes
Other 7% = 37 votes
LOL
Yes, but doesn't = yes friend.
That means if I say "l2p" but then I explain why you need to l2p it's not offensive. If it's not offensive that makes it a NO. Ok now that we cleared up how words work let's try this again.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Today I learned how to count like a trumpster. Neat.
LOL I'm a trumpster now because you don't know how to read a poll XD
L2P
Yes, ofcourse.
45% = 235 votes
Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn.
25% =132 votes (The "but" doesn't count and grammatically isn't even needed in the sentence. Therefore, still counts as a resounding YES, no matter how much you try to spin it to fit your agenda.)
It's okay though, you think you do, but, in reality, you really don't. That is okay though, no need to wring them limp wrists over it.
Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn
This is what in English is called a modifier. If it was just "yes" it would be under "yes, of course." The reason it is its own category is it can be Yes or no. At best then we can determine that it probably belongs best in either No, or Other because if it was just offensive there would be no need to modify the circumstances.
"That is okay though, no need to wring them limp wrists over it."
Oh woah, did the pearl clutcher just imply I'm gay in a derogatory manner? Surprise surprise, the true face comes out. Keep earning those internet points so you can feel like a good person and not the actual trash you are. Funny that's the way your insults go when you're the one that seems to be so ass blasted about reality. I guess that's how projection works though.
Go get that prolapse checked before you respond to an adult
Hey, their your projections not mine, what makes you happy. You do you. You're the one spending 8 pages and multiple threads championing your racist views and superiority on L2P. Not including how you are demanding that No actually means Yes; you know, like certain predatory assault suspects. But, you do you. Reap what you sow and what not.2 -
Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Simply no.Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »At this moment 44% agree ...
L2Statistic
Looks at the poll
L2count friend
Nope, L2Statistic.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Is it rude to tell someone "l2p"? 520 votes
Yes: 45% = 235 votes
Yes: 25% = 131 votes
No: 11% = 58 votes
No: 11% = 59 votes
Other 7% = 37 votes
LOL
Yes, but doesn't = yes friend.
That means if I say "l2p" but then I explain why you need to l2p it's not offensive. If it's not offensive that makes it a NO. Ok now that we cleared up how words work let's try this again.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Today I learned how to count like a trumpster. Neat.
LOL I'm a trumpster now because you don't know how to read a poll XD
L2P
Yes, ofcourse.
45% = 235 votes
Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn.
25% =132 votes (The "but" doesn't count and grammatically isn't even needed in the sentence. Therefore, still counts as a resounding YES, no matter how much you try to spin it to fit your agenda.)
It's okay though, you think you do, but, in reality, you really don't. That is okay though, no need to wring them limp wrists over it.
Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn
This is what in English is called a modifier. If it was just "yes" it would be under "yes, of course." The reason it is its own category is it can be Yes or no. At best then we can determine that it probably belongs best in either No, or Other because if it was just offensive there would be no need to modify the circumstances.
"That is okay though, no need to wring them limp wrists over it."
Oh woah, did the pearl clutcher just imply I'm gay in a derogatory manner? Surprise surprise, the true face comes out. Keep earning those internet points so you can feel like a good person and not the actual trash you are. Funny that's the way your insults go when you're the one that seems to be so ass blasted about reality. I guess that's how projection works though.
Go get that prolapse checked before you respond to an adult
Hey, their your projections not mine, what makes you happy. You do you. You're the one spending 8 pages and multiple threads championing your racist views and superiority on L2P. Not including how you are demanding that No actually means Yes; you know, like certain predatory assault suspects. But, you do you. Reap what you sow and what not.
l2p is now racist. Oh man, you are mentally unwell and YOU NEED PSYCHIATRIC CARE. Please get help
"you are demanding that No actually means Yes"
I'm arguing the Yes means No, not No means Yes XD Please learn to read before you get hysterical. Man, first you gay bash, now you accuse a phrase of being racist that has nothing to do with race. You're truly a disgusting person if you're equating *** with l2p. Please go see a professional, you are mentally unstable.
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xxthir13enxx✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, ofcourse.Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn
And there wasn’t...
The ONLY Response given is...
“l2p”1 -
StormeReigns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Other (type in comment)Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »At this moment 44% agree ...
L2Statistic
Looks at the poll
L2count friend
Nope, L2Statistic.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Is it rude to tell someone "l2p"? 520 votes
Yes: 45% = 235 votes
Yes: 25% = 131 votes
No: 11% = 58 votes
No: 11% = 59 votes
Other 7% = 37 votes
LOL
Yes, but doesn't = yes friend.
That means if I say "l2p" but then I explain why you need to l2p it's not offensive. If it's not offensive that makes it a NO. Ok now that we cleared up how words work let's try this again.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Today I learned how to count like a trumpster. Neat.
LOL I'm a trumpster now because you don't know how to read a poll XD
L2P
Yes, ofcourse.
45% = 235 votes
Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn.
25% =132 votes (The "but" doesn't count and grammatically isn't even needed in the sentence. Therefore, still counts as a resounding YES, no matter how much you try to spin it to fit your agenda.)
It's okay though, you think you do, but, in reality, you really don't. That is okay though, no need to wring them limp wrists over it.
Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn
This is what in English is called a modifier. If it was just "yes" it would be under "yes, of course." The reason it is its own category is it can be Yes or no. At best then we can determine that it probably belongs best in either No, or Other because if it was just offensive there would be no need to modify the circumstances.
"That is okay though, no need to wring them limp wrists over it."
Oh woah, did the pearl clutcher just imply I'm gay in a derogatory manner? Surprise surprise, the true face comes out. Keep earning those internet points so you can feel like a good person and not the actual trash you are. Funny that's the way your insults go when you're the one that seems to be so ass blasted about reality. I guess that's how projection works though.
Go get that prolapse checked before you respond to an adult
Hey, their your projections not mine, what makes you happy. You do you. You're the one spending 8 pages and multiple threads championing your racist views and superiority on L2P. Not including how you are demanding that No actually means Yes; you know, like certain predatory assault suspects. But, you do you. Reap what you sow and what not.
l2p is now racist. Oh man, you are mentally unwell and YOU NEED PSYCHIATRIC CARE. Please get help
"you are demanding that No actually means Yes"
I'm arguing the Yes means No, not No means Yes XD Please learn to read before you get hysterical. Man, first you gay bash, now you accuse a phrase of being racist that has nothing to do with race. You're truly a disgusting person if you're equating *** with l2p. Please go see a professional, you are mentally unstable.
You do you, just calm down on them predatory advances. 8+ pages worth isn't really helping you. Just remember, Yes means Yes, and No means No.5 -
Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Simply no.Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »At this moment 44% agree ...
L2Statistic
Looks at the poll
L2count friend
Nope, L2Statistic.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Is it rude to tell someone "l2p"? 520 votes
Yes: 45% = 235 votes
Yes: 25% = 131 votes
No: 11% = 58 votes
No: 11% = 59 votes
Other 7% = 37 votes
LOL
Yes, but doesn't = yes friend.
That means if I say "l2p" but then I explain why you need to l2p it's not offensive. If it's not offensive that makes it a NO. Ok now that we cleared up how words work let's try this again.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Today I learned how to count like a trumpster. Neat.
LOL I'm a trumpster now because you don't know how to read a poll XD
L2P
Yes, ofcourse.
45% = 235 votes
Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn.
25% =132 votes (The "but" doesn't count and grammatically isn't even needed in the sentence. Therefore, still counts as a resounding YES, no matter how much you try to spin it to fit your agenda.)
It's okay though, you think you do, but, in reality, you really don't. That is okay though, no need to wring them limp wrists over it.
Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn
This is what in English is called a modifier. If it was just "yes" it would be under "yes, of course." The reason it is its own category is it can be Yes or no. At best then we can determine that it probably belongs best in either No, or Other because if it was just offensive there would be no need to modify the circumstances.
"That is okay though, no need to wring them limp wrists over it."
Oh woah, did the pearl clutcher just imply I'm gay in a derogatory manner? Surprise surprise, the true face comes out. Keep earning those internet points so you can feel like a good person and not the actual trash you are. Funny that's the way your insults go when you're the one that seems to be so ass blasted about reality. I guess that's how projection works though.
Go get that prolapse checked before you respond to an adult
Hey, their your projections not mine, what makes you happy. You do you. You're the one spending 8 pages and multiple threads championing your racist views and superiority on L2P. Not including how you are demanding that No actually means Yes; you know, like certain predatory assault suspects. But, you do you. Reap what you sow and what not.
l2p is now racist. Oh man, you are mentally unwell and YOU NEED PSYCHIATRIC CARE. Please get help
"you are demanding that No actually means Yes"
I'm arguing the Yes means No, not No means Yes XD Please learn to read before you get hysterical. Man, first you gay bash, now you accuse a phrase of being racist that has nothing to do with race. You're truly a disgusting person if you're equating *** with l2p. Please go see a professional, you are mentally unstable.
You do you, just calm down on them predatory advances. 8+ pages worth isn't really helping you. Just remember, Yes means Yes, and No means No.
LOL you need to calm down on the false accusations. Imagine being so wrong on something that the only way you can try to save it is comparing it to R*a_p*3. You do you though, keep making stuff like that less meaningful.1 -
Yuffie91✭✭✭✭✭Yes, ofcourse.Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »At this moment 44% agree ...
L2Statistic
Looks at the poll
L2count friend
Nope, L2Statistic.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Is it rude to tell someone "l2p"? 520 votes
Yes: 45% = 235 votes
Yes: 25% = 131 votes
No: 11% = 58 votes
No: 11% = 59 votes
Other 7% = 37 votes
LOL
Yes, but doesn't = yes friend.
That means if I say "l2p" but then I explain why you need to l2p it's not offensive. If it's not offensive that makes it a NO. Ok now that we cleared up how words work let's try this again.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
What..how...
Nope too early for this7 -
InvictusApollo✭✭✭✭✭
✭No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it.Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »At this moment 44% agree ...
L2Statistic
Looks at the poll
L2count friend
Nope, L2Statistic.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Is it rude to tell someone "l2p"? 520 votes
Yes: 45% = 235 votes
Yes: 25% = 131 votes
No: 11% = 58 votes
No: 11% = 59 votes
Other 7% = 37 votes
LOL
Yes, but doesn't = yes friend.
That means if I say "l2p" but then I explain why you need to l2p it's not offensive. If it's not offensive that makes it a NO. Ok now that we cleared up how words work let's try this again.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Today I learned how to count like a trumpster. Neat.
LOL I'm a trumpster now because you don't know how to read a poll XD
L2P
Yes, ofcourse.
45% = 235 votes
Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn.
25% =132 votes (The "but" doesn't count and grammatically isn't even needed in the sentence. Therefore, still counts as a resounding YES, no matter how much you try to spin it to fit your agenda.)
It's okay though, you think you do, but, in reality, you really don't. That is okay though, no need to wring them limp wrists over it.
Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn
This is what in English is called a modifier. If it was just "yes" it would be under "yes, of course." The reason it is its own category is it can be Yes or no. At best then we can determine that it probably belongs best in either No, or Other because if it was just offensive there would be no need to modify the circumstances.
"That is okay though, no need to wring them limp wrists over it."
Oh woah, did the pearl clutcher just imply I'm gay in a derogatory manner? Surprise surprise, the true face comes out. Keep earning those internet points so you can feel like a good person and not the actual trash you are. Funny that's the way your insults go when you're the one that seems to be so ass blasted about reality. I guess that's how projection works though.
Go get that prolapse checked before you respond to an adult
SAVAGE! LOGICAL! HONEST! BRAVE! I love it.Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »At this moment 44% agree ...
L2Statistic
Looks at the poll
L2count friend
Nope, L2Statistic.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Is it rude to tell someone "l2p"? 520 votes
Yes: 45% = 235 votes
Yes: 25% = 131 votes
No: 11% = 58 votes
No: 11% = 59 votes
Other 7% = 37 votes
LOL
Yes, but doesn't = yes friend.
That means if I say "l2p" but then I explain why you need to l2p it's not offensive. If it's not offensive that makes it a NO. Ok now that we cleared up how words work let's try this again.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
What..how...
Nope too early for this
It's funny how few people are capable of using base ideas of set theory. Isn't set theory in curriculum of every highschool?
Don't you remember those pictures of two overlapping circles around objects like stars, dots, trangles etc.?
I really don't want to explain that. Please don't make me do it. It's sunday so it will be at least two days untill I will meet my coworkers who usually replenish my faith in humanity.
Untill then I'm going to have only yours @Rave the Histborn savagely honest and logical comments.2 -
Yuffie91✭✭✭✭✭Yes, ofcourse.InvictusApollo wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »At this moment 44% agree ...
L2Statistic
Looks at the poll
L2count friend
Nope, L2Statistic.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Is it rude to tell someone "l2p"? 520 votes
Yes: 45% = 235 votes
Yes: 25% = 131 votes
No: 11% = 58 votes
No: 11% = 59 votes
Other 7% = 37 votes
LOL
Yes, but doesn't = yes friend.
That means if I say "l2p" but then I explain why you need to l2p it's not offensive. If it's not offensive that makes it a NO. Ok now that we cleared up how words work let's try this again.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Today I learned how to count like a trumpster. Neat.
LOL I'm a trumpster now because you don't know how to read a poll XD
L2P
Yes, ofcourse.
45% = 235 votes
Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn.
25% =132 votes (The "but" doesn't count and grammatically isn't even needed in the sentence. Therefore, still counts as a resounding YES, no matter how much you try to spin it to fit your agenda.)
It's okay though, you think you do, but, in reality, you really don't. That is okay though, no need to wring them limp wrists over it.
Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn
This is what in English is called a modifier. If it was just "yes" it would be under "yes, of course." The reason it is its own category is it can be Yes or no. At best then we can determine that it probably belongs best in either No, or Other because if it was just offensive there would be no need to modify the circumstances.
"That is okay though, no need to wring them limp wrists over it."
Oh woah, did the pearl clutcher just imply I'm gay in a derogatory manner? Surprise surprise, the true face comes out. Keep earning those internet points so you can feel like a good person and not the actual trash you are. Funny that's the way your insults go when you're the one that seems to be so ass blasted about reality. I guess that's how projection works though.
Go get that prolapse checked before you respond to an adult
SAVAGE! LOGICAL! HONEST! BRAVE! I love it.Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »At this moment 44% agree ...
L2Statistic
Looks at the poll
L2count friend
Nope, L2Statistic.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Is it rude to tell someone "l2p"? 520 votes
Yes: 45% = 235 votes
Yes: 25% = 131 votes
No: 11% = 58 votes
No: 11% = 59 votes
Other 7% = 37 votes
LOL
Yes, but doesn't = yes friend.
That means if I say "l2p" but then I explain why you need to l2p it's not offensive. If it's not offensive that makes it a NO. Ok now that we cleared up how words work let's try this again.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
What..how...
Nope too early for this
It's funny how few people are capable of using base ideas of set theory. Isn't set theory in curriculum of every highschool?
Don't you remember those pictures of two overlapping circles around objects like stars, dots, trangles etc.?
I really don't want to explain that. Please don't make me do it. It's sunday so it will be at least two days untill I will meet my coworkers who usually replenish my faith in humanity.
Untill then I'm going to have only yours @Rave the Histborn savagely honest and logical comments.
What's funny is how you will grab every chance to have a go at people who voted that it is rude. Which again makes me question why you made a poll and not a one sided blog rant topic6 -
Wolfshead✭✭✭✭Yes, ofcourse.l2p to me have/is too much WoW over it basically tells me that person write those letter don't care of help others which I think is sad for we are 100% time better community then WoW are
If you find yourself alone, riding in green fields with the sun on your face, do not be troubled; for you are in Elysium, and you're already deadWhat we do in life, echoes in eternity1 -
BejaProphet✭✭✭✭✭
✭Most of the time it is said the person is being a jerk.
But it is appropriate at times. Somethings truely are a “L2P issue.”
Often people have some game play issue and they call for nerfs, changes, redirection in the game etc. Meanwhile every veteran player listening knows two things:
1. As that players skill grows, what is currently frustrating them will become a non-issue.
2. All changes to the game have both intended and unintended consequences.
In such moments identifying something as l2p is necessary.
But that doesn’t excuse being a jerk when you say it.Royal Poet's Dungeon Tanking Guide https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416797/royal-poets-guide-to-traditional-tanking-in-veteran-dungeons#latest0 -
jainiadral✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, ofcourse.Oy. What's scary is the blanket yes is only at 45%
Of course it's rude. You shouldn't need a cataloging of popular opinion to tell you that. It's always rude, inherently rude. It was intended to be rude when whatever rude person coined it to belittle the person s/he was addressing back in whatever age of MMO history it first appeared.
Even the "yes, but" with the L2P attached is rude. It's rude with some potential helpfulness added, but it's still rude. You'd do better to just give the help.Edited by jainiadral on October 13, 2019 2:34PM5 -
Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, ofcourse.Rave the Histborn wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »Honestly what's the point of this poll? It should not even be a poll as you are bashing everyone who thinks it is rude because you think it's not. Learn to take opinions. Otherwise don't make polls
Actually if you read thoroughly it is the selfrigtheous "polite" people who are trying to bash me and others. I have merely uncovered their real faces just by staying calm through their rude insults.
I hope you understand that this comes across like more deflection. Comments like this do not serve to better make your point.
All would be well served by remembering communication necessarily involves two parties - speakers and listeners. Both are equally responsible for the communications that ensue. When a speaker refuses to take responsibility for how their words are interpreted by the listener, that’s a red flag. When a listener refuses to take responsibility for how their cultural background influences how they interpret the speaker’s words, that is also a red flag. Common culture always makes communication easier because of shared assumptions about meanings of words that cover complex subtexts and connotations.
Words that are well-established as offensive within a common culture need to be used with care and responsibility. Deflecting that responsibility as speakers is not something we should be doing because the result is a breakdown of productive communication, at best. If the speaker knowingly uses nasty words at someone, take responsibility for that and don’t be deflecting it onto the listener. That is what abusive people do... something those of us who have been in abusive relationships are all too familiar with. While the context here in gaming is relatively innocuous, the pattern is the same. Let us please aspire not to be abusive of our fellows and instead be mindful of the weight our words carry. We’ll all fail at this sometimes, but the effort matters!
This is the internet, the only cultural background that applies is internet culture. We are unable to discern anything beyond that with a keyboard so trying to apply gender and other backgrounds really doesn't work. There in lies the problem. You've got people unable to cope with simple words, especially words that they should have no problem dealing with. As you put it "common culture always makes communication easier" and if you really believe that then internet culture dictates that these are non offensive cultural "internet banter."
These aren't offensive to anyone within common internet culture only people trying to change what internet culture has been define as for years find these words offensive. The very nature of this poll is to show that the offensive of this phrase is in no way well established. Your abuse also doesn't really have any place in this conversation other then to highlight a key mentality with this whole conversation. There is this idea that you can just throw things that happen to you in real life out there and you expect people to know about it and think that is should have some sort of affect on how things go for them. They are usually shocked to find that the opposite is true. Telling someone "l2p" off the cuff and trying to equate it with abuse victims (which I question your story, I don't think a real abuse victim would try to get internet points like this) is disgusting, disingenuous, and takes away from actual abuse suffered by people. You should be ashamed.
I think you are misconstruing a number of my points here, so to clarify a couple things -
As far as culture goes, folks are members of many cultures at the same time. When participating in one particular culture, folks may shift their standards for behavior but this does not make their other cultural backgrounds go away somehow because it is part of their identity. Basically, all I’m pointing out is that people are different and that those differences are necessarily a part of all communications we have with each other. Navigating those differences so we can communicate successfully is important. I, or example, have no idea what you mean by “internet culture” given I have observed many, many cultures on the internet. Some of what you say here makes no sense to me because I do not share your perception of whatever this “internet culture” is to you.
As far as abuse goes, I specifically pointed out that the context we are talking about here is relatively innocuous - did you miss that part? You’re taking the equivalence further than intended. That said, verbal abuse is a component of bullying and needs to be taken seriously regardless. It’s going to be rare that crass language in ESO becomes a serious issue, but it is still bullying and just not necessary when working with people. When someone is under a lot of life stress, even little things can be a big deal. There is more than enough troubles in folks lives without knowingly adding to it with crass language in an activity that is supposed to be for fun and recreation. Your mileage may vary.
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Wolfshead✭✭✭✭Yes, ofcourse.l2p to me have/is too much WoW over it basically tells me that person write those letter don't care of help others which I think is sad for we are 100% time better community then WoW are If you find yourself alone, riding in green fields with the sun on your face, do not be troubled; for you are in Elysium, and you're already deadWhat we do in life, echoes in eternity0
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Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Simply no.Rave the Histborn wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »Honestly what's the point of this poll? It should not even be a poll as you are bashing everyone who thinks it is rude because you think it's not. Learn to take opinions. Otherwise don't make polls
Actually if you read thoroughly it is the selfrigtheous "polite" people who are trying to bash me and others. I have merely uncovered their real faces just by staying calm through their rude insults.
I hope you understand that this comes across like more deflection. Comments like this do not serve to better make your point.
All would be well served by remembering communication necessarily involves two parties - speakers and listeners. Both are equally responsible for the communications that ensue. When a speaker refuses to take responsibility for how their words are interpreted by the listener, that’s a red flag. When a listener refuses to take responsibility for how their cultural background influences how they interpret the speaker’s words, that is also a red flag. Common culture always makes communication easier because of shared assumptions about meanings of words that cover complex subtexts and connotations.
Words that are well-established as offensive within a common culture need to be used with care and responsibility. Deflecting that responsibility as speakers is not something we should be doing because the result is a breakdown of productive communication, at best. If the speaker knowingly uses nasty words at someone, take responsibility for that and don’t be deflecting it onto the listener. That is what abusive people do... something those of us who have been in abusive relationships are all too familiar with. While the context here in gaming is relatively innocuous, the pattern is the same. Let us please aspire not to be abusive of our fellows and instead be mindful of the weight our words carry. We’ll all fail at this sometimes, but the effort matters!
This is the internet, the only cultural background that applies is internet culture. We are unable to discern anything beyond that with a keyboard so trying to apply gender and other backgrounds really doesn't work. There in lies the problem. You've got people unable to cope with simple words, especially words that they should have no problem dealing with. As you put it "common culture always makes communication easier" and if you really believe that then internet culture dictates that these are non offensive cultural "internet banter."
These aren't offensive to anyone within common internet culture only people trying to change what internet culture has been define as for years find these words offensive. The very nature of this poll is to show that the offensive of this phrase is in no way well established. Your abuse also doesn't really have any place in this conversation other then to highlight a key mentality with this whole conversation. There is this idea that you can just throw things that happen to you in real life out there and you expect people to know about it and think that is should have some sort of affect on how things go for them. They are usually shocked to find that the opposite is true. Telling someone "l2p" off the cuff and trying to equate it with abuse victims (which I question your story, I don't think a real abuse victim would try to get internet points like this) is disgusting, disingenuous, and takes away from actual abuse suffered by people. You should be ashamed.
I think you are misconstruing a number of my points here, so to clarify a couple things -
As far as culture goes, folks are members of many cultures at the same time. When participating in one particular culture, folks may shift their standards for behavior but this does not make their other cultural backgrounds go away somehow because it is part of their identity. Basically, all I’m pointing out is that people are different and that those differences are necessarily a part of all communications we have with each other. Navigating those differences so we can communicate successfully is important. I, or example, have no idea what you mean by “internet culture” given I have observed many, many cultures on the internet. Some of what you say here makes no sense to me because I do not share your perception of whatever this “internet culture” is to you.
As far as abuse goes, I specifically pointed out that the context we are talking about here is relatively innocuous - did you miss that part? You’re taking the equivalence further than intended. That said, verbal abuse is a component of bullying and needs to be taken seriously regardless. It’s going to be rare that crass language in ESO becomes a serious issue, but it is still bullying and just not necessary when working with people. When someone is under a lot of life stress, even little things can be a big deal. There is more than enough troubles in folks lives without knowingly adding to it with crass language in an activity that is supposed to be for fun and recreation. Your mileage may vary.
1. You don't seem to understand how cultures work. You are part of one predominant culture, the only way "folks shift standards" is if there are competing cultures trying to take the place as the main culture. Unless that is the case you wouldn't shift standards to other competing cultures. You seem to fail to understand that backgrounds and cultural identities don't have the same weight on the internet as they do in real life. You bring and people like you bring this up and are shocked when this answer is brought up which is because you're used to special treatment associated with gender/skin tone/sexual identity and you don't get the same appeasement here, there's more push back.
2."Navigating those differences so we can communicate successfully is important. I, or example, have no idea what you mean by “internet culture” given I have observed many, many cultures on the internet"
Well yeah lol I'm not trying to be mean here but obviously you don't get it, you can tell from all your responses. There's different internet subgroups but there is very much a predominant internet culture between these groups. That's the thing, you're looking at all these groups like you would real life and it's a different mishmash here. The words, phrases, memes, symbols, are all used by the same groups and just because one group might subvert something for its own uses it doesn't generally isn't taken over by that culture, it evolves and sees new life.
3. As far as abuse goes, I specifically pointed out that the context we are talking about here is relatively innocuous - did you miss that part?
Your "abuse" story is in the context of swaying your argument in your favor by having people feel bad for your made up story. You're trying to draw parallels between telling people l2p with physical/verbal abusers which is a disgusting tactic.
"You’re taking the equivalence further than intended. That said, verbal abuse is a component of bullying and needs to be taken seriously regardless."
So am I taking it further than intended or should it be taken seriously regardless. Physical/Verbal abuse you can't escape is different from a one off comment about your skill level in a video game. Stop trying to compare the two for the sake of your argument, it isn't the same.
4. When someone is under a lot of life stress, even little things can be a big deal. There is more than enough troubles in folks lives without knowingly adding to it with crass language in an activity that is supposed to be for fun and recreation.
That's not a valid reason, that's an emotional argument. Watch lemme do the same with what you're trying to do.
What if people are verbally abusive because they were abused and they are trying to get the power they lost back? Is it then ok?
What if I am under a lot of life stress and my way of coping is telling people to l2p until I feel better? What if causing someone else to feel bad about their skill level makes me feel better and takes stress off my life? Is it still wrong if it is for the greater good?
This game is rated M17+ for adults, if you cant't handle language that 10 year olds use you probably shouldn't be on the internet as a whole. It's going to add much more stress than you'd be able to handle.
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Billdor✭✭✭✭Simply no.
And I am sick of people thinking they are perfect
Far from perfect, I don't waste people's time when playing an online game.1 -
InvictusApollo✭✭✭✭✭
✭No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it.InvictusApollo wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »At this moment 44% agree ...
L2Statistic
Looks at the poll
L2count friend
Nope, L2Statistic.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Is it rude to tell someone "l2p"? 520 votes
Yes: 45% = 235 votes
Yes: 25% = 131 votes
No: 11% = 58 votes
No: 11% = 59 votes
Other 7% = 37 votes
LOL
Yes, but doesn't = yes friend.
That means if I say "l2p" but then I explain why you need to l2p it's not offensive. If it's not offensive that makes it a NO. Ok now that we cleared up how words work let's try this again.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Today I learned how to count like a trumpster. Neat.
LOL I'm a trumpster now because you don't know how to read a poll XD
L2P
Yes, ofcourse.
45% = 235 votes
Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn.
25% =132 votes (The "but" doesn't count and grammatically isn't even needed in the sentence. Therefore, still counts as a resounding YES, no matter how much you try to spin it to fit your agenda.)
It's okay though, you think you do, but, in reality, you really don't. That is okay though, no need to wring them limp wrists over it.
Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn
This is what in English is called a modifier. If it was just "yes" it would be under "yes, of course." The reason it is its own category is it can be Yes or no. At best then we can determine that it probably belongs best in either No, or Other because if it was just offensive there would be no need to modify the circumstances.
"That is okay though, no need to wring them limp wrists over it."
Oh woah, did the pearl clutcher just imply I'm gay in a derogatory manner? Surprise surprise, the true face comes out. Keep earning those internet points so you can feel like a good person and not the actual trash you are. Funny that's the way your insults go when you're the one that seems to be so ass blasted about reality. I guess that's how projection works though.
Go get that prolapse checked before you respond to an adult
SAVAGE! LOGICAL! HONEST! BRAVE! I love it.Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »At this moment 44% agree ...
L2Statistic
Looks at the poll
L2count friend
Nope, L2Statistic.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Is it rude to tell someone "l2p"? 520 votes
Yes: 45% = 235 votes
Yes: 25% = 131 votes
No: 11% = 58 votes
No: 11% = 59 votes
Other 7% = 37 votes
LOL
Yes, but doesn't = yes friend.
That means if I say "l2p" but then I explain why you need to l2p it's not offensive. If it's not offensive that makes it a NO. Ok now that we cleared up how words work let's try this again.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
What..how...
Nope too early for this
It's funny how few people are capable of using base ideas of set theory. Isn't set theory in curriculum of every highschool?
Don't you remember those pictures of two overlapping circles around objects like stars, dots, trangles etc.?
I really don't want to explain that. Please don't make me do it. It's sunday so it will be at least two days untill I will meet my coworkers who usually replenish my faith in humanity.
Untill then I'm going to have only yours @Rave the Histborn savagely honest and logical comments.
What's funny is how you will grab every chance to have a go at people who voted that it is rude. Which again makes me question why you made a poll and not a one sided blog rant topic
It's not funny that some people can't comprehend basic ideas of the set theory. It's actually extremely saddening to me.
And to answer your question: I made a poll mostly to check what other people think. I thought that was obvious.
Just as obvious that you are suggesting that I had some ulterior motives. Basic attack on someone's ethos.0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn.InvictusApollo wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »At this moment 44% agree ...
L2Statistic
Looks at the poll
L2count friend
Nope, L2Statistic.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Is it rude to tell someone "l2p"? 520 votes
Yes: 45% = 235 votes
Yes: 25% = 131 votes
No: 11% = 58 votes
No: 11% = 59 votes
Other 7% = 37 votes
LOL
Yes, but doesn't = yes friend.
That means if I say "l2p" but then I explain why you need to l2p it's not offensive. If it's not offensive that makes it a NO. Ok now that we cleared up how words work let's try this again.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Today I learned how to count like a trumpster. Neat.
LOL I'm a trumpster now because you don't know how to read a poll XD
L2P
Yes, ofcourse.
45% = 235 votes
Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn.
25% =132 votes (The "but" doesn't count and grammatically isn't even needed in the sentence. Therefore, still counts as a resounding YES, no matter how much you try to spin it to fit your agenda.)
It's okay though, you think you do, but, in reality, you really don't. That is okay though, no need to wring them limp wrists over it.
Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn
This is what in English is called a modifier. If it was just "yes" it would be under "yes, of course." The reason it is its own category is it can be Yes or no. At best then we can determine that it probably belongs best in either No, or Other because if it was just offensive there would be no need to modify the circumstances.
"That is okay though, no need to wring them limp wrists over it."
Oh woah, did the pearl clutcher just imply I'm gay in a derogatory manner? Surprise surprise, the true face comes out. Keep earning those internet points so you can feel like a good person and not the actual trash you are. Funny that's the way your insults go when you're the one that seems to be so ass blasted about reality. I guess that's how projection works though.
Go get that prolapse checked before you respond to an adult
SAVAGE! LOGICAL! HONEST! BRAVE! I love it.Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »At this moment 44% agree ...
L2Statistic
Looks at the poll
L2count friend
Nope, L2Statistic.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Is it rude to tell someone "l2p"? 520 votes
Yes: 45% = 235 votes
Yes: 25% = 131 votes
No: 11% = 58 votes
No: 11% = 59 votes
Other 7% = 37 votes
LOL
Yes, but doesn't = yes friend.
That means if I say "l2p" but then I explain why you need to l2p it's not offensive. If it's not offensive that makes it a NO. Ok now that we cleared up how words work let's try this again.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
What..how...
Nope too early for this
It's funny how few people are capable of using base ideas of set theory. Isn't set theory in curriculum of every highschool?
Don't you remember those pictures of two overlapping circles around objects like stars, dots, trangles etc.?
I really don't want to explain that. Please don't make me do it. It's sunday so it will be at least two days untill I will meet my coworkers who usually replenish my faith in humanity.
Untill then I'm going to have only yours @Rave the Histborn savagely honest and logical comments.
What's funny is how you will grab every chance to have a go at people who voted that it is rude. Which again makes me question why you made a poll and not a one sided blog rant topic
It's not funny that some people can't comprehend basic ideas of the set theory. It's actually extremely saddening to me.
And to answer your question: I made a poll mostly to check what other people think. I thought that was obvious.
Just as obvious that you are suggesting that I had some ulterior motives. Basic attack on someone's ethos.
In fairness to some people, ESO is a very complicated game, and coming in from zero, knowing nothing, there's a lot of stuff they need to learn. Even stuff that's fundamental, like item sets, isn't immediately apparent to newbies, and this is something they'll need to learn about.
This is where it ends up, too. I mean, at the Dragonhold Preview event I was in with the press pool, and was explaining to a reporter about basic mechanics. This is someone who plays games for a living, and has lot to unpack for learning how to play ESO.
I love this game, but it's not intuitive, and when you have someone who need to L2P, there's no value in being a *** to them.1 -
morrowjen✭✭✭✭✭Yes, ofcourse.Yes. There's nothing helpful and everything insulting about just telling some "l2p." I get that sometimes people won't listen to sound advice and advice givers get frustrated in return and that someone may well deserve that response but that still doesn't make it less rude (just maybe more justified if the person is being a you-know-what despite your best efforts to help).1
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, ofcourse.Yes, because saying "L2P" isn't constructive. Tell them how to improve. Telling somebody HOW to improve is not rude.Edited by MLGProPlayer on October 15, 2019 7:09AM2 -
InvictusApollo✭✭✭✭✭
✭No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it.starkerealm wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »At this moment 44% agree ...
L2Statistic
Looks at the poll
L2count friend
Nope, L2Statistic.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Is it rude to tell someone "l2p"? 520 votes
Yes: 45% = 235 votes
Yes: 25% = 131 votes
No: 11% = 58 votes
No: 11% = 59 votes
Other 7% = 37 votes
LOL
Yes, but doesn't = yes friend.
That means if I say "l2p" but then I explain why you need to l2p it's not offensive. If it's not offensive that makes it a NO. Ok now that we cleared up how words work let's try this again.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Today I learned how to count like a trumpster. Neat.
LOL I'm a trumpster now because you don't know how to read a poll XD
L2P
Yes, ofcourse.
45% = 235 votes
Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn.
25% =132 votes (The "but" doesn't count and grammatically isn't even needed in the sentence. Therefore, still counts as a resounding YES, no matter how much you try to spin it to fit your agenda.)
It's okay though, you think you do, but, in reality, you really don't. That is okay though, no need to wring them limp wrists over it.
Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn
This is what in English is called a modifier. If it was just "yes" it would be under "yes, of course." The reason it is its own category is it can be Yes or no. At best then we can determine that it probably belongs best in either No, or Other because if it was just offensive there would be no need to modify the circumstances.
"That is okay though, no need to wring them limp wrists over it."
Oh woah, did the pearl clutcher just imply I'm gay in a derogatory manner? Surprise surprise, the true face comes out. Keep earning those internet points so you can feel like a good person and not the actual trash you are. Funny that's the way your insults go when you're the one that seems to be so ass blasted about reality. I guess that's how projection works though.
Go get that prolapse checked before you respond to an adult
SAVAGE! LOGICAL! HONEST! BRAVE! I love it.Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »At this moment 44% agree ...
L2Statistic
Looks at the poll
L2count friend
Nope, L2Statistic.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Is it rude to tell someone "l2p"? 520 votes
Yes: 45% = 235 votes
Yes: 25% = 131 votes
No: 11% = 58 votes
No: 11% = 59 votes
Other 7% = 37 votes
LOL
Yes, but doesn't = yes friend.
That means if I say "l2p" but then I explain why you need to l2p it's not offensive. If it's not offensive that makes it a NO. Ok now that we cleared up how words work let's try this again.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
What..how...
Nope too early for this
It's funny how few people are capable of using base ideas of set theory. Isn't set theory in curriculum of every highschool?
Don't you remember those pictures of two overlapping circles around objects like stars, dots, trangles etc.?
I really don't want to explain that. Please don't make me do it. It's sunday so it will be at least two days untill I will meet my coworkers who usually replenish my faith in humanity.
Untill then I'm going to have only yours @Rave the Histborn savagely honest and logical comments.
What's funny is how you will grab every chance to have a go at people who voted that it is rude. Which again makes me question why you made a poll and not a one sided blog rant topic
It's not funny that some people can't comprehend basic ideas of the set theory. It's actually extremely saddening to me.
And to answer your question: I made a poll mostly to check what other people think. I thought that was obvious.
Just as obvious that you are suggesting that I had some ulterior motives. Basic attack on someone's ethos.
In fairness to some people, ESO is a very complicated game, and coming in from zero, knowing nothing, there's a lot of stuff they need to learn. Even stuff that's fundamental, like item sets, isn't immediately apparent to newbies, and this is something they'll need to learn about.
This is where it ends up, too. I mean, at the Dragonhold Preview event I was in with the press pool, and was explaining to a reporter about basic mechanics. This is someone who plays games for a living, and has lot to unpack for learning how to play ESO.
I love this game, but it's not intuitive, and when you have someone who need to L2P, there's no value in being a *** to them.
Uhmm. That's what I meant by "set theory": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_theory
Answers to poll questions are elements of different sets. For example following two sets (poll options) are intersections for sets of people who believe that l2p is rude and those who believe it is not.
"Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn."
"No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it."
For that reason if we were to answer a question:
"How many people believe that there is a context in which "l2p" is not rude?"
we would take these sets:
"Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn."
"No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it."
"Simply no."
We could also add those people from the last set ("Other (type in comment)") who expressed that there are situations/contexts in which "l2p" is nor rude.
On the other hand, if we were to answer a question:
"How many people believe that there is a context in which "l2p" is rude?"
then we would take these sets:
"Yes, ofcourse." - it's allways rude
"Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn." - it's rude when no one provided direction of learning
"No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it." - it's rude if the person hasn't asked for being educated as in the "l2p" came as a starter of communication.
I don't know about other countries but in mine basic ideas of set theory are taught in elementary school while it's properly taught in highschool. Or maybe even earlier - I don't remember.2 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, ofcourse.InvictusApollo wrote: »I don't know about other countries but in mine basic ideas of set theory are taught in elementary school while it's properly taught in highschool. Or maybe even earlier - I don't remember.
You don't even need elementary school level to know that someone who wants to make an honest poll does NOT :
1/ Offer 4 choices, 1 actually meaning "yes" and the 3 others meaning "no". Instead, half of the possible answers should go one way and the other half the other way. What you did is just "spreading" the answers that go your way onto multiple choices in order for you to add them up later.
2/ write "yes, but" when you think it means "no". In this case, if you had been honest and paid a little attention, you should have written "no, if", instead of "yes, but".
So please just LEARN and admit that your poll is badly designed and biased from the start, instead of calling set-theories to your rescue. You should have done things differently, that's all. Your poll is manipulative and biased, period.
Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on October 15, 2019 12:06PM3 -
witchdoctor✭✭✭✭✭
✭InvictusApollo wrote: »I don't know about other countries but in mine basic ideas of set theory are taught in elementary school while it's properly taught in highschool. Or maybe even earlier - I don't remember.
Well, since you want to get all technical about your elemntary knowledge, did you get taught about sample size?
Some millions play, and what, a bit over 500 answered your poll.
Just call the spade what it is: a chance for you to have a little troll about 'L2P.'4 -
InvictusApollo✭✭✭✭✭
✭No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »I don't know about other countries but in mine basic ideas of set theory are taught in elementary school while it's properly taught in highschool. Or maybe even earlier - I don't remember.
You don't even need elementary school level to know that someone who wants to make an honest poll does NOT :
1/ Offer 4 choices, 1 actually meaning "yes" and the 3 others meaning "no". Instead, half of the possible answers should go one way and the other half the other way. What you did is just "spreading" the answers that go your way onto multiple choices in order for you to add them up later.
2/ write "yes, but" when you think it means "no". In this case, if you had been honest and paid a little attention, you should have written "no, if", instead of "yes, but".
So please just LEARN and admit that your poll is badly designed and biased from the start, instead of calling set-theories to your rescue. You should have done things differently, that's all. Your poll is manipulative and biased, period.
Allright. Lets assume that you are right. Tell me your poll options.0 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, ofcourse.InvictusApollo wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »I don't know about other countries but in mine basic ideas of set theory are taught in elementary school while it's properly taught in highschool. Or maybe even earlier - I don't remember.
You don't even need elementary school level to know that someone who wants to make an honest poll does NOT :
1/ Offer 4 choices, 1 actually meaning "yes" and the 3 others meaning "no". Instead, half of the possible answers should go one way and the other half the other way. What you did is just "spreading" the answers that go your way onto multiple choices in order for you to add them up later.
2/ write "yes, but" when you think it means "no". In this case, if you had been honest and paid a little attention, you should have written "no, if", instead of "yes, but".
So please just LEARN and admit that your poll is badly designed and biased from the start, instead of calling set-theories to your rescue. You should have done things differently, that's all. Your poll is manipulative and biased, period.
Allright. Lets assume that you are right. Tell me your poll options.
If I was genuinely interested in knowing what people mean by "L2P", and following more or less your pattern, I'd have asked :
- Is it rude to tell someone "L2P" ?
1/ Yes, it's always rude.
2/ Yes it's rude, but sometimes people who say it just mean to help.
3/ No, it's not rude when you mean to help and some people just need to be told the truth.
4/ No, it's never rude.
5/ Other (explain).
This way you have
- a clear orientation of each option (2 yes, one full, one mild, and 2 no, one full, one mild)
- an even spread of possible answer for each option (2 each, + one neutral).
Let's take an example :
What do you think player X is :
1/ a nice guy
2/ an excellent player
3/ an a*hole
4/ an elitist
5/ an hypocrit
6/ a s*cker
7/ a liar
8/ a bad team player
9/ an inflated ego
10/ an idiot.
See, in this example I have 10 options, but only 2 of them are positive and the other 8 are negative. This way I can collect far more negative opinions about player X than I would have with 5 positive and 5 negative options. All I have to do is add them up and say "see, the majority of people agree that player X is a bad guy".
Even spread of possible answers is 101 of setting up a poll with closed answers (aka multiple choice questions).
Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on October 15, 2019 1:10PM2 -
Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Simply no.witchdoctor wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »I don't know about other countries but in mine basic ideas of set theory are taught in elementary school while it's properly taught in highschool. Or maybe even earlier - I don't remember.
Well, since you want to get all technical about your elemntary knowledge, did you get taught about sample size?
Some millions play, and what, a bit over 500 answered your poll.
Just call the spade what it is: a chance for you to have a little troll about 'L2P.'
...........................have you ever been to a school? The sample size isn't the player base in game it's the people on the forums. 500 people out of a few thousand is a pretty good sample size.1 -
Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Simply no.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »I don't know about other countries but in mine basic ideas of set theory are taught in elementary school while it's properly taught in highschool. Or maybe even earlier - I don't remember.
You don't even need elementary school level to know that someone who wants to make an honest poll does NOT :
1/ Offer 4 choices, 1 actually meaning "yes" and the 3 others meaning "no". Instead, half of the possible answers should go one way and the other half the other way. What you did is just "spreading" the answers that go your way onto multiple choices in order for you to add them up later.
2/ write "yes, but" when you think it means "no". In this case, if you had been honest and paid a little attention, you should have written "no, if", instead of "yes, but".
So please just LEARN and admit that your poll is badly designed and biased from the start, instead of calling set-theories to your rescue. You should have done things differently, that's all. Your poll is manipulative and biased, period.
Allright. Lets assume that you are right. Tell me your poll options.
If I was genuinely interested in knowing what people mean by "L2P", and following more or less your pattern, I'd have asked :
- Is it rude to tell someone "L2P" ?
1/ Yes, it's always rude.
2/ Yes it's rude, but sometimes people who say it just mean to help.
3/ No, it's not rude when you mean to help and some people just need to be told the truth.
4/ No, it's never rude.
5/ Other (explain).
This way you have
- a clear orientation of each option (2 yes, one full, one mild, and 2 no, one full, one mild)
- an even spread of possible answer for each option (2 each, + one neutral).
Let's take an example :
What do you think player X is :
1/ a nice guy
2/ an excellent player
3/ an a*hole
4/ an elitist
5/ an hypocrit
6/ a s*cker
7/ a liar
8/ a bad team player
9/ an inflated ego
10/ an idiot.
See, in this example I have 10 options, but only 2 of them are positive and the other 8 are negative. This way I can collect far more negative opinions about player X than I would have with 5 positive and 5 negative options. All I have to do is them to add them up and say "see, the majority of people agree that player X is a bad guy".
Even spread of possible answers is 101 of setting up a poll with closed answers (aka multiple choice questions).
Your example is a strawman, it's not the same thing and your side seemed to be pretty OK with the poll choices when this started. It wasn't until you were informed that you don't seem to understand how to read polls that you got mad at the choices.
Your response provides an excellent example for this poll and why it ISN'T rude to say l2p.
You opted into the poll and the forum post by replying and voting. No one pressured you into it.
You argued and debated your point but it was pointed out that you don't fully grasp the choices and their answers.
It was pointed out to you that your perception of the answer was wrong and it was explained to you (Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn. Remember this?)
Instead of accepting the advice and taking the loss you've attacked the pollster, the poll, all of the answer choices.
Why do you think people aren't wasting their time explaining things. I'm not here to teach you how to do the things your should know only to be told that I'm wrong.Edited by Rave the Histborn on October 15, 2019 1:35PM1 -
InvictusApollo✭✭✭✭✭
✭No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »I don't know about other countries but in mine basic ideas of set theory are taught in elementary school while it's properly taught in highschool. Or maybe even earlier - I don't remember.
You don't even need elementary school level to know that someone who wants to make an honest poll does NOT :
1/ Offer 4 choices, 1 actually meaning "yes" and the 3 others meaning "no". Instead, half of the possible answers should go one way and the other half the other way. What you did is just "spreading" the answers that go your way onto multiple choices in order for you to add them up later.
2/ write "yes, but" when you think it means "no". In this case, if you had been honest and paid a little attention, you should have written "no, if", instead of "yes, but".
So please just LEARN and admit that your poll is badly designed and biased from the start, instead of calling set-theories to your rescue. You should have done things differently, that's all. Your poll is manipulative and biased, period.
Allright. Lets assume that you are right. Tell me your poll options.
If I was genuinely interested in knowing what people mean by "L2P", and following more or less your pattern, I'd have asked :
- Is it rude to tell someone "L2P" ?
1/ Yes, it's always rude.
2/ Yes it's rude, but sometimes people who say it just mean to help.
3/ No, it's not rude when you mean to help and some people just need to be told the truth.
4/ No, it's never rude.
5/ Other (explain).
This way you have
- a clear orientation of each option (2 yes, one full, one mild, and 2 no, one full, one mild)
- an even spread of possible answer for each option (2 each, + one neutral).
Let's take an example :
What do you think player X is :
1/ a nice guy
2/ an excellent player
3/ an a*hole
4/ an elitist
5/ an hypocrit
6/ a s*cker
7/ a liar
8/ a bad team player
9/ an inflated ego
10/ an idiot.
See, in this example I have 10 options, but only 2 of them are positive and the other 8 are negative. This way I can collect far more negative opinions about player X than I would have with 5 positive and 5 negative options. All I have to do is add them up and say "see, the majority of people agree that player X is a bad guy".
Even spread of possible answers is 101 of setting up a poll with closed answers (aka multiple choice questions).
Different phrasing for the same things. Sorry for assuming that my respondents are smart enough to understand the options provided. Your argument about number of options basically says: "people are so dumb that they will choose "no" even if they think "yes" just because there are multiple options for "no"".0 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, ofcourse.Rave the Histborn wrote: »Why would you add a 5th answer just to be contrarian? The reason there isn't a 5th choice in the original poll is because then you get the redundancy of choices 2 & 3 which are the exact same question in the end. You don't need 8 different choices when the answers should be boiled down to "Yes, No, Other."
I added a 5th answer to 1/ follow the original pattern 2/ offer a neutral option.
Yes the answers could be boiled down to yes/no/other or even yes/no BUT that's exactly what the OP did NOT do. He chose to spread them over several options, full and mild (why not), but he did not do it evenly and chose misleading formulations.Rave the Histborn wrote: »It wasn't until you were informed that you don't seem to understand how to read polls that you got mad at the choices..../...It was pointed out to you that your perception of the answer was wrong and it was explained to you (Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn. Remember this?)
Yup. That's when OP "explained" that his "No, but" actually means yes that he proved, all by himself, that the poll was biased because 3 answers were meant to mean "no" and only one was meant to be "yes", which makes it a wrongly designed poll. Got it ?Rave the Histborn wrote: »Instead of accepting the advice and taking the loss you've attacked the pollster, the poll, all of the answer choices.
Why do you think people aren't wasting their time explaining things. I'm not here to teach you how to do the things your should know only to be told that I'm wrong.
I'm explaining because the OP expressedly asked me to.
And this poll IS wrongly done, that's an objective fact, whether you like it or not. And yes, you are 100% wrong. Sorry. Time for you to LEARN.
Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on October 15, 2019 1:41PM4
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