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Is it rude to tell someone "l2p"?
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Yuffie91✭✭✭✭✭Yes, ofcourse.Honestly what's the point of this poll? It should not even be a poll as you are bashing everyone who thinks it is rude because you think it's not. Learn to take opinions. Otherwise don't make polls11 -
Genomic✭✭✭✭✭Other (type in comment)It's a very mild type of rude. Seriously, if you're getting upset that someone typed 'l2p' then I feel you're going to have a really rough time dealing with the vicissitudes of real life.
Unlike many things, rudeness doesn’t have levels... it’s either or, you can’t be ‘a bit’ rude.
I don’t like rude people. They don’t upset me, they revolt me. And I’d prefer it if they modified their behaviour.
If you genuinely want to help someone, you’re never going to tell them “L2P” because it won’t benefit them in any way, that’s like a teacher calling your child a ******* while trying to educate them
Teaching is never ever about the teacher, it should always be about the learner. And, yes, sometimes you do your best to teach someone something and it doesn’t work (they may not be ready or you may not be effective, or just ‘reasons’).
All I know is that adding abuse into the mix won’t help anyone learn.
Of course rudeness has levels. Saying "l2p" very clearly isn't nearly as rude as someone calling your mother a ******* *****, for example. And isn't calling someone 'revolting' being rude? Sounds pretty rude to me. And since there are no rudeness levels that's just as rude as the rudest insult imaginable. You monster.
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InvictusApollo✭✭✭✭✭
✭No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it.Honestly what's the point of this poll? It should not even be a poll as you are bashing everyone who thinks it is rude because you think it's not. Learn to take opinions. Otherwise don't make polls
Actually if you read thoroughly it is the selfrigtheous "polite" people who are trying to bash me and others. I have merely uncovered their real faces just by staying calm through their rude insults.4 -
Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, ofcourse.InvictusApollo wrote: »Honestly what's the point of this poll? It should not even be a poll as you are bashing everyone who thinks it is rude because you think it's not. Learn to take opinions. Otherwise don't make polls
Actually if you read thoroughly it is the selfrigtheous "polite" people who are trying to bash me and others. I have merely uncovered their real faces just by staying calm through their rude insults.
I hope you understand that this comes across like more deflection. Comments like this do not serve to better make your point.
All would be well served by remembering communication necessarily involves two parties - speakers and listeners. Both are equally responsible for the communications that ensue. When a speaker refuses to take responsibility for how their words are interpreted by the listener, that’s a red flag. When a listener refuses to take responsibility for how their cultural background influences how they interpret the speaker’s words, that is also a red flag. Common culture always makes communication easier because of shared assumptions about meanings of words that cover complex subtexts and connotations.
Words that are well-established as offensive within a common culture need to be used with care and responsibility. Deflecting that responsibility as speakers is not something we should be doing because the result is a breakdown of productive communication, at best. If the speaker knowingly uses nasty words at someone, take responsibility for that and don’t be deflecting it onto the listener. That is what abusive people do... something those of us who have been in abusive relationships are all too familiar with. While the context here in gaming is relatively innocuous, the pattern is the same. Let us please aspire not to be abusive of our fellows and instead be mindful of the weight our words carry. We’ll all fail at this sometimes, but the effort matters!
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anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, ofcourse.InvictusApollo wrote: »I have merely uncovered their real faces just by staying calm through their rude insults.
Rude insults ? If you've taken anything in this thread as rude insults towards you, it's your own interpretation. It proves you're lacking self-esteem and you're not willing to take positive criticism. As a result, you're unwilling to learn and become the better person everyone involved wants you to become.
@Starlock : I believe our friend here is beyond rescue but I appreciate your posts and the way your so clearly explain things. These back-and-forth transfer/mirroring of responsibilities and guilt are exhausting and mind-confusing (I'm not talking about of this thread here, but more generally of the context of real-life toxic communication). It's relieving to read it explained so crystal-clearly. Thank you.
Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on October 12, 2019 5:30PM6 -
zaria✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Other (type in comment)Don't see any point doing it in game, worst case is simple "sorry group is to weak" or something before leaving.
If group is toxic just leave.
On the other hand asking all the idiots on this forum requesting nerfs to L2P is mandatory. Also for them to stop being noobs and idiots.Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Simply no.InvictusApollo wrote: »Honestly what's the point of this poll? It should not even be a poll as you are bashing everyone who thinks it is rude because you think it's not. Learn to take opinions. Otherwise don't make polls
Actually if you read thoroughly it is the selfrigtheous "polite" people who are trying to bash me and others. I have merely uncovered their real faces just by staying calm through their rude insults.
I hope you understand that this comes across like more deflection. Comments like this do not serve to better make your point.
All would be well served by remembering communication necessarily involves two parties - speakers and listeners. Both are equally responsible for the communications that ensue. When a speaker refuses to take responsibility for how their words are interpreted by the listener, that’s a red flag. When a listener refuses to take responsibility for how their cultural background influences how they interpret the speaker’s words, that is also a red flag. Common culture always makes communication easier because of shared assumptions about meanings of words that cover complex subtexts and connotations.
Words that are well-established as offensive within a common culture need to be used with care and responsibility. Deflecting that responsibility as speakers is not something we should be doing because the result is a breakdown of productive communication, at best. If the speaker knowingly uses nasty words at someone, take responsibility for that and don’t be deflecting it onto the listener. That is what abusive people do... something those of us who have been in abusive relationships are all too familiar with. While the context here in gaming is relatively innocuous, the pattern is the same. Let us please aspire not to be abusive of our fellows and instead be mindful of the weight our words carry. We’ll all fail at this sometimes, but the effort matters!
This is the internet, the only cultural background that applies is internet culture. We are unable to discern anything beyond that with a keyboard so trying to apply gender and other backgrounds really doesn't work. There in lies the problem. You've got people unable to cope with simple words, especially words that they should have no problem dealing with. As you put it "common culture always makes communication easier" and if you really believe that then internet culture dictates that these are non offensive cultural "internet banter."
These aren't offensive to anyone within common internet culture only people trying to change what internet culture has been define as for years find these words offensive. The very nature of this poll is to show that the offensive of this phrase is in no way well established. Your abuse also doesn't really have any place in this conversation other then to highlight a key mentality with this whole conversation. There is this idea that you can just throw things that happen to you in real life out there and you expect people to know about it and think that is should have some sort of affect on how things go for them. They are usually shocked to find that the opposite is true. Telling someone "l2p" off the cuff and trying to equate it with abuse victims (which I question your story, I don't think a real abuse victim would try to get internet points like this) is disgusting, disingenuous, and takes away from actual abuse suffered by people. You should be ashamed.
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kreoko✭✭Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn.Yes and no.
“You suck, l2p lolololol” is rude.
“Hey, I see you’re a new player. Would you like help with learning how to play the game?” is much more polite and something I would’ve liked to hear when I was new.
Yeah, i get that It sucks when you have someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing... but constructive criticism and helpful advice go a loooong way. Though that’s far too much effort for some people. Just easier to be an ass.Laindir Direnni - Altmer MagSorc | NA Server1 -
StormeReigns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Other (type in comment)
ITT: Carry me, my inflated ego might literally injure me if I put in any effort outside of cliche dribbles and complaints.3 -
InvictusApollo✭✭✭✭✭
✭No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »I have merely uncovered their real faces just by staying calm through their rude insults.
Rude insults ? If you've taken anything in this thread as rude insults towards you, it's your own interpretation. It proves you're lacking self-esteem and you're not willing to take positive criticism. As a result, you're unwilling to learn and become the better person everyone involved wants you to become.
@Starlock : I believe our friend here is beyond rescue but I appreciate your posts and the way your so clearly explain things. These back-and-forth transfer/mirroring of responsibilities and guilt are exhausting and mind-confusing (I'm not talking about of this thread here, but more generally of the context of real-life toxic communication). It's relieving to read it explained so crystal-clearly. Thank you.
Please refer to this post to find some "rude insults" targeted at me:InvictusApollo wrote: »Question: Is it rude to tell someone L2P?
Answer: No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it.
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Question: Is it rude to call someone a worthless idiot?
Answer: No, nothing wrong with politely telling someone you disagree with them.
(Nothing against ppl who chose this answer, I just think the writing in that part of the poll is very off)
Saying L2P is a mocking troll answer and just doesn't get used nicely...
Have you cosnidered that it is just the way you take it in? Maybe the person saying it didn't mean to troll or say anything hurtfull. But you decided that they did, so suddenly they are an evil person. Have you ever considered that your judgement might be wrong? That words and phrases don't mean what you think they mean. You must know that meaning of many words and phrases changes depending on the context... nationality, culture and many other things.
For example when I say "l2p" to someone on forum who is calling for a nerf, then what I really mean is:
"Please do stop annoying me and others with your incessant whining for nerfs to a mechanic that has so many easy counters. It really makes me feel bad and worry that the game I love so much will become worse. You haven't taken enough time to research it so I won't give you my time, by educating you how you can deal with it yourself. Especially since many other people have already said everything I could tell you. However since I do care for this game and maybe a little about your enjoyment from it, I will repeat to you that you should learn to play a game before you start having an opinion about it. Please stop trying to destroy this game for others. Instead please learn how to play it, so that you and everyone else could enjoy it."
However it seems that you hear only:
"You are so bad and pathetic at this game that I can't even look at you. How can you live with yourself being such a worthless failure who can't even learn to play? You are a worthless idiot!"
How you interpret other peoples comments on the Internet depends on your own sense of self worth. Self confident people who know their worth, who achieved numerous successes in their lifes that they are proud of, will be more likely to assume that comments directed at them have more positive meaning. Or at least won't feel bothered even if it is obvious that comment's intention was malicious.
TLDR: It all depends how you and the other person who used "L2P" define it. Your definition isn't allways the same as theirs. It is your choice to assume the intention.
It reminds me of a tale of a house of 1000 mirrors.
Hi. I could also call you an a-hole and ask you if you're just taking it in the wrong way. The answer is no. There is a difference between things that are up for interpretation and clearly defined insults. I'm certainly not having a philosophical debate about something so stupid. Sorry, it's just.... it's not that deep.
Edit: I have now read the rest of your response. You're really really stupid and mildly delusional. The hypocracy in your mad rambling about projecting intention on people while making a super long delusional post about projecting your wild ideas onto me and my statement is also hilarious. You're also very patronizing and rude in trying to proof a point that's just wrong.
If people agree that 'L2P' is something people purposefully use to be *** to others, then stop using it, instead of crying that you're a special snowflake that's too naive to know it's bad and you alone can decide it changes meaning when you use it. Get over it.
Edit edit: Sorry I keep making edits but I keep laughing about how batshit insane this is. Are you trying to psychoanalyze me and diagnose me with self esteem issues for explaining this to you.
People aren't butthurt you're telling them to get better. You're giving them a *** answer most people only use ironically to mimick elitist ***. And you're using it seriously. It's literally a single phrase. If you don't mean to be rude to people, just stop saying L2P and express what you really wanna say. It's not that hard.
And one more thing: I'm not your friend, because I have standards.1 -
Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Simply no.witchdoctor wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »At this moment 44% agree ...
L2Statistic
Looks at the poll
L2count friend1 -
Heelie✭✭✭✭✭Other (type in comment)Context is everything. If someone tells me what to do or how to play. And I believe they're objectively wrong "which they are in most cases". Replying learn to play is neither rude nor in any sence a constructive response. It's however the perfect response to anyone telling me what to do from a position of authority.Most OwOrated healer of all time1 -
Raideen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes, ofcourse.Yes. Its a condescending statement that does not foster strong relationships for a good gaming community.1 -
witchdoctor✭✭✭✭✭
✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »At this moment 44% agree ...
L2Statistic
Looks at the poll
L2count friend
Nope, L2Statistic.1 -
Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Simply no.witchdoctor wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »At this moment 44% agree ...
L2Statistic
Looks at the poll
L2count friend
Nope, L2Statistic.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
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StormeReigns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Other (type in comment)Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »At this moment 44% agree ...
L2Statistic
Looks at the poll
L2count friend
Nope, L2Statistic.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Is it rude to tell someone "l2p"? 520 votes
Yes: 45% = 235 votes
Yes: 25% = 131 votes
No: 11% = 58 votes
No: 11% = 59 votes
Other 7% = 37 votesEdited by StormeReigns on October 13, 2019 5:11AM4 -
xxthir13enxx✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, ofcourse.Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »At this moment 44% agree ...
L2Statistic
Looks at the poll
L2count friend
Nope, L2Statistic.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
LOL why make yourself look silly?
Yes 45%
Yes, but (is Still a Yes)
L2p in the poll question is IN QUOTES that all the info given...there is no add-on info given... thus both Yes responses are for Rude2 -
witchdoctor✭✭✭✭✭
✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »At this moment 44% agree ...
L2Statistic
Looks at the poll
L2count friend
Nope, L2Statistic.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Something, something, sample size; something, something, questions.
L2Statistic.
But you are very persistent. So, A+ for effort.3 -
Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Simply no.Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »At this moment 44% agree ...
L2Statistic
Looks at the poll
L2count friend
Nope, L2Statistic.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Is it rude to tell someone "l2p"? 520 votes
Yes: 45% = 235 votes
Yes: 25% = 131 votes
No: 11% = 58 votes
No: 11% = 59 votes
Other 7% = 37 votes
LOL
Yes, but doesn't = yes friend.
That means if I say "l2p" but then I explain why you need to l2p it's not offensive. If it's not offensive that makes it a NO. Ok now that we cleared up how words work let's try this again.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%0 -
StormeReigns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Other (type in comment)Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »At this moment 44% agree ...
L2Statistic
Looks at the poll
L2count friend
Nope, L2Statistic.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Is it rude to tell someone "l2p"? 520 votes
Yes: 45% = 235 votes
Yes: 25% = 131 votes
No: 11% = 58 votes
No: 11% = 59 votes
Other 7% = 37 votes
LOL
Yes, but doesn't = yes friend.
That means if I say "l2p" but then I explain why you need to l2p it's not offensive. If it's not offensive that makes it a NO. Ok now that we cleared up how words work let's try this again.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Today I learned how to count like a trumpster. Neat.5 -
xxthir13enxx✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, ofcourse.Is it rude to tell someone "l2p"?
But than NO explanation is given...you see the question!? It clearly states “l2p” what is in the quotes is the ONLY response given...
Nobody is talking about your imaginary convo you had...poll is about the Above statement0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn.witchdoctor wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »At this moment 44% agree ...
L2Statistic
Looks at the poll
L2count friend
Nope, L2Statistic.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Something, something, sample size; something, something, questions.
L2Statistic.
But you are very persistent. So, A+ for effort.
520, puts the margin of error south of 5%. Given circumstances, that's not bad. However, problem is multiple layers of self-selection. Which, there's no way around that. In this case, bias probably lends towards people do find it rude, as they're more likely to feel engagement than people who don't care (and would answer "no".)
So, could be better. Good effort, reasonable attempt. Data's not entirely trustworthy, but not junk either.1 -
Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Simply no.Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »At this moment 44% agree ...
L2Statistic
Looks at the poll
L2count friend
Nope, L2Statistic.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Is it rude to tell someone "l2p"? 520 votes
Yes: 45% = 235 votes
Yes: 25% = 131 votes
No: 11% = 58 votes
No: 11% = 59 votes
Other 7% = 37 votes
LOL
Yes, but doesn't = yes friend.
That means if I say "l2p" but then I explain why you need to l2p it's not offensive. If it's not offensive that makes it a NO. Ok now that we cleared up how words work let's try this again.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Today I learned how to count like a trumpster. Neat.
LOL I'm a trumpster now because you don't know how to read a poll XD
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witchdoctor✭✭✭✭✭
✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »Yes, but doesn't = yes friend.
That means if I say "l2p" but then I explain why you need to l2p it's not offensive. If it's not offensive that makes it a NO. Ok now that we cleared up how words work let's try this again.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1n5CQe1krI 2 -
Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Simply no.witchdoctor wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Yes, but doesn't = yes friend.
That means if I say "l2p" but then I explain why you need to l2p it's not offensive. If it's not offensive that makes it a NO. Ok now that we cleared up how words work let's try this again.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1n5CQe1krI
Oh woah way to prove me wrong with some high IQ memery
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StormeReigns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Other (type in comment)Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »At this moment 44% agree ...
L2Statistic
Looks at the poll
L2count friend
Nope, L2Statistic.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Is it rude to tell someone "l2p"? 520 votes
Yes: 45% = 235 votes
Yes: 25% = 131 votes
No: 11% = 58 votes
No: 11% = 59 votes
Other 7% = 37 votes
LOL
Yes, but doesn't = yes friend.
That means if I say "l2p" but then I explain why you need to l2p it's not offensive. If it's not offensive that makes it a NO. Ok now that we cleared up how words work let's try this again.
Yes 45%
No 47%
Other 7%
Today I learned how to count like a trumpster. Neat.
LOL I'm a trumpster now because you don't know how to read a poll XD
L2P
Yes, ofcourse.
45% = 235 votes
Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn.
25% =132 votes (The "but" doesn't count and grammatically isn't even needed in the sentence. Therefore, still counts as a resounding YES, no matter how much you try to spin it to fit your agenda.)
It's okay though, you think you do, but, in reality, you really don't. That is okay though, no need to wring them limp wrists over it.
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