Is it rude to tell someone "l2p"?

Jhalin

Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn.

If you’re not giving useful instruction, then yeah it’s obviously rude. If you’re actually telling them “this is wrong and here’s how you fix it”, then at least you put in a little effort.

Basically the difference between, “you’re playing like an ape” and “block the mechanic, you’re playing like an ape”.

jircris11

Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn.

Xarcus wrote: »

Rude when it's not helping him/her.
Sometimes people just say it to feel strong, and this sucks.

Exaclly this, help them "l2p" then you have another competent player in the game.

DLM

Simply no.

lrn2makeaninterestingpoll

Dusk_Coven

Yes, ofcourse.

Whatever the original intent (i.e., a shorthand), it is now overtaken with negative connotations because of overuse by toxic PvPers for forum users. So in pretty much every usage, it now generates a knee-jerk reaction.

Rave the Histborn

Simply no.

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

Yuffie91 wrote: »

I think it's rude. You never know what's going on with the other person. For all you know they could have problems or be a young child

Then the last place they should be is on the internet. No, it isnt rude, it's probably the least rude thing you can tell someone.

L2p with others

Maybe git gud at taking constructive criticism?

StormeReigns

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Rave the Histborn wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

Yuffie91 wrote: »

I think it's rude. You never know what's going on with the other person. For all you know they could have problems or be a young child

Then the last place they should be is on the internet. No, it isnt rude, it's probably the least rude thing you can tell someone.

L2p with others

Maybe git gud at taking constructive criticism?

@Rave the Histborn Mmm. sounds like your Hist is really thcc, maybe you don't need to L2Pound and born to rave us with that greatsword in our sheaths.

Katahdin

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Depends on the level of stupidity of the particular situation.

For example someone screaming nerf cloak when there are 10 different counters that they refuse to use, nope not rude

Someone suggesting a nerf to something that literally everyone uses because it's a guaranteed I win button, and everyone knows its an I win button, then it might be rude to tell them l2p

Minyassa

Yes, ofcourse.

Anyone who would say "l2p" without knowing someone's situation--which we can't, ever--needs to learn to people. Just scrolling past something you think is stupid takes less effort than clicking on it and frothing at someone. Either offer a solution, teach the person the thing you think they don't know, or shut the hell up. L2p makes someone look just as stupid as uneducated nerf calls or whatever else they're having a fit over.

InvictusApollo

No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it.

Minyassa wrote: »

Anyone who would say "l2p" without knowing someone's situation--which we can't, ever--needs to learn to people. Just scrolling past something you think is stupid takes less effort than clicking on it and frothing at someone. Either offer a solution, teach the person the thing you think they don't know, or shut the hell up. L2p makes someone look just as stupid as uneducated nerf calls or whatever else they're having a fit over.

You know... I asked my compatriots in Overwatch what they think. Do you know what they said? That telling someone "l2p" is more of an act of kindness and caring than anything else. There is something to it. After all anyone who says that takes their time to give another person a chance to contemplate and assess their skill.
My people may be harsh but they are tough and strong - all the more reason for me to love my country. I hope we will never get soft or God forbid - oversensitive.

InvictusApollo

No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it.

DLM wrote: »

lrn2makeaninterestingpoll

@DLM Tell me about your expectations for polls and I'll consider meeting them in the next one.

xxthir13enxx

Yes, ofcourse.

InvictusApollo wrote: »

DLM wrote: »

lrn2makeaninterestingpoll

@DLM Tell me about your expectations for polls and I'll consider meeting them in the next one.

My only expectation with Polls is that options that involve an answer of
AD
EP
DC
to be accurately colour coded

InvictusApollo

No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it.

upquark wrote: »

I'm around lvl 26, been a while since I've been able to log on (byte me, Steam), but I suck so hard at this game that I'm in constant fear of getting in someone's way. I never go into group areas, never go into dungeons, and try to stay out of everyone's way for fear of messing up someone's play. If I'm on a quest and end up in the same area as other players, I try to help as much as I can as well as stay out of their way; I'm assuming that wouldn't warrant a pi**-off from a better player. My heart's in the right place, anyway. But hey, you never know. Maybe my mere presence has pi**ed someone off.


I think if someone said l2p at me, I'd be mortified. Mainly because I try so hard to stay out of everyone's way. It would mean to me that somehow I managed to screw up their gameplay.

Hey @upquark
I felt exactly the same at the begining. Don't worry! With time you will not only git gut, but even godly good! You will also learn what actually annoys others.
In order to alleviate your anxiety I can tell you what annoys me:
1. People who act priviledged. I had a teammate who blatantly and rudely demanded tutoring.
2. Oversentitive people who abuse social rules and politicall correctness.
3. When people talk to NPCs in an unimersive way for example while standing on a table.
4. When people run around a scripted "cutscene" spoiling everyones immersion.
5. When sorcerers don't unsummon their pets in cities.
6. When people in dungeons blame others instead of owning their mistakes.
7. Too many vulgarism. One in each sentence is enough. Everything below that is ok with me.
8. Calls for nerfs without a comprehensive mathematical and empirical proof.
9. When someone is trying to shame/manipulate me into playing the way they want.
10. Mean comments about anyones performance if said person is actually trying their best and is willing to learn.
11. Teabagging.
12. Blatant idiocy manifested in comments.

What I don't mind:
1. Carrying random people through dungeons.
2. You being there.
3. People checking up my character.
4. People who intentionally create ugly, repulsive, freaky characters.
5. Almost everything else.


Since I know some very harsh, angry or even toxic people I can also tell you what annoys them:
1. Low dps in dungeons.
2. Tanks who can't keep boss on them.
3. People who fail at dungeon/trial mechanics.
4. Everyone from another alliance/team when in PvP.


I hope my lists help you with your anxiety. Now that you know of every single possible thing that can annoy people, you can feel more secure. It is awesome that you care for other peoples feeling, but if I can give you a little piece of advice I would tell you: no other player has bought this game for you, nor is any other player paying you to play it and thus they have no right to dictate you how you should play it.
Also if you want I can send you "l2p" daily during the next week to immunise you.

zaria

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Katahdin wrote: »

Depends on the level of stupidity of the particular situation.

For example someone screaming nerf cloak when there are 10 different counters that they refuse to use, nope not rude

Someone suggesting a nerf to something that literally everyone uses because it's a guaranteed I win button, and everyone knows its an I win button, then it might be rude to tell them l2p

Someone on this forum spamming nerf cloak request or any other nerf request without data to back this up.
Data is not 3 death recap, its combat logs of some 100 engagements who is not cheery picked.
I ask them to do something else like COD or forthright and stop posting here.

And no skills everybody use is simply because streamers recommend them in builds.
Yes they kind of work over hard casting frag or snipe so people use them.
This is an obvious reason to nerf them?

upquark

Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn.

Hey @upquark
I felt exactly the same at the begining. Don't worry! With time you will not only git gut, but even godly good! You will also learn what actually annoys others.
In order to alleviate your anxiety I can tell you what annoys me:
1. People who act priviledged. I had a teammate who blatantly and rudely demanded tutoring.
2. Oversentitive people who abuse social rules and politicall correctness.
3. When people talk to NPCs in an unimersive way for example while standing on a table.
4. When people run around a scripted "cutscene" spoiling everyones immersion.
5. When sorcerers don't unsummon their pets in cities.
6. When people in dungeons blame others instead of owning their mistakes.
7. Too many vulgarism. One in each sentence is enough. Everything below that is ok with me.
8. Calls for nerfs without a comprehensive mathematical and empirical proof.
9. When someone is trying to shame/manipulate me into playing the way they want.
10. Mean comments about anyones performance if said person is actually trying their best and is willing to learn.
11. Teabagging.
12. Blatant idiocy manifested in comments.

What I don't mind:
1. Carrying random people through dungeons.
2. You being there.
3. People checking up my character.
4. People who intentionally create ugly, repulsive, freaky characters.
5. Almost everything else.


Since I know some very harsh, angry or even toxic people I can also tell you what annoys them:
1. Low dps in dungeons.
2. Tanks who can't keep boss on them.
3. People who fail at dungeon/trial mechanics.
4. Everyone from another alliance/team when in PvP.


I hope my lists help you with your anxiety. Now that you know of every single possible thing that can annoy people, you can feel more secure. It is awesome that you care for other peoples feeling, but if I can give you a little piece of advice I would tell you: no other player has bought this game for you, nor is any other player paying you to play it and thus they have no right to dictate you how you should play it.
Also if you want I can send you "l2p" daily during the next week to immunise you.

It does help, InvictusApollo. I love your last sentence. You might be my brother-in-law haha! That's exactly what he would do.

I can see I'm in zero danger of upsetting an even marginally reasonable person based on your list. I think you've hit all my dislikes and don't minds as well.

Thank you, and you are most welcome to l2p me for the next week. If I am ever able to get back in game, I'll welcome them!

Rave the Histborn

Simply no.

Minyassa wrote: »

Anyone who would say "l2p" without knowing someone's situation--which we can't, ever--needs to learn to people. Just scrolling past something you think is stupid takes less effort than clicking on it and frothing at someone. Either offer a solution, teach the person the thing you think they don't know, or shut the hell up. L2p makes someone look just as stupid as uneducated nerf calls or whatever else they're having a fit over.

Agreed, you can't ever know someone's situation which is why things like "lived experiences" and situations can't and shouldn't be accounted for during a casual interaction. If someone is that mentally unwell that they shouldn't be in an environment like pvp in the first place. That being said it's easier to say "offer a solution, teach the person the thing you think they don't know, or shut the hell up." but it doesn't just work like that. It's similar to sports, most players don't sit around waiting for people to tell them how to improve they constantly practice and watch film to improve themselves. I'd also like to point out that "l2p" is something people say in every professional sport or game at every conceivable level or play. Unless you can human nature and thousands of years of evolution and tribalism then it's something that people are going to have to learn to deal with and over come like every person before them has.

Loves_guars

Yes, ofcourse.

valkyrie93 wrote: »

of course it is. some ppl were raised in a barn honestly

Right? At least (s)he is asking (?), there's still hope

Zacuel

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._.

Sylvermynx

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I don't consider it out and out rude (because I've been exposed to it over and over since 2006 - and lordy, had I found it rude when I was on a WoW PVP server with a friend's guild I would have probably curled up and died without any pvp happening at all!)

I think the way it's used sometimes on this forum and other game forums can be rude. But it's mostly in the eye of the reader, if that's who it's directed at. So if it's someone with either an inflated ego (who may not by any stretch of the imagination be as great and powerful as Oz for instance) or someone who is easily upset by apparently (in their minds) mean-spirited posts directed at them, well, in that case yes I'd consider it rude.

Then again, I have a pretty thick skin. And my mantra since I was 17 (54 years and counting....) is "What YOU think is YOUR problem, not mine" - so I just don't get upset. Others may not be that equable or able to shrug things off as easily.

Maxx7410

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i wont understand that learn to write a sentence maybe?

InvictusApollo

No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it.

Sylvermynx wrote: »

I don't consider it out and out rude (because I've been exposed to it over and over since 2006 - and lordy, had I found it rude when I was on a WoW PVP server with a friend's guild I would have probably curled up and died without any pvp happening at all!)

I think the way it's used sometimes on this forum and other game forums can be rude. But it's mostly in the eye of the reader, if that's who it's directed at. So if it's someone with either an inflated ego (who may not by any stretch of the imagination be as great and powerful as Oz for instance) or someone who is easily upset by apparently (in their minds) mean-spirited posts directed at them, well, in that case yes I'd consider it rude.

Then again, I have a pretty thick skin. And my mantra since I was 17 (54 years and counting....) is "What YOU think is YOUR problem, not mine" - so I just don't get upset. Others may not be that equable or able to shrug things off as easily.

I like your mantra. Sounds less aggressive than: "I don't care about your opinion as long as that opinion is about me."

Sylvermynx

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InvictusApollo wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

I don't consider it out and out rude (because I've been exposed to it over and over since 2006 - and lordy, had I found it rude when I was on a WoW PVP server with a friend's guild I would have probably curled up and died without any pvp happening at all!)

I think the way it's used sometimes on this forum and other game forums can be rude. But it's mostly in the eye of the reader, if that's who it's directed at. So if it's someone with either an inflated ego (who may not by any stretch of the imagination be as great and powerful as Oz for instance) or someone who is easily upset by apparently (in their minds) mean-spirited posts directed at them, well, in that case yes I'd consider it rude.

Then again, I have a pretty thick skin. And my mantra since I was 17 (54 years and counting....) is "What YOU think is YOUR problem, not mine" - so I just don't get upset. Others may not be that equable or able to shrug things off as easily.

I like your mantra. Sounds less aggressive than: "I don't care about your opinion as long as that opinion is about me."

Well, I don't generally have any real interest in others' opinions about me - my family did a number on me for that, which is why I'm the way I am now.... which at bottom is mostly dissociated from society. This forum and a small one I run myself for long-time gaming friends is as social as I ever get other than with husband.

Edziu

No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it.

it is rude when you take l2p tip as rude

btw at all why that many player at all not only dont but even dont want to l2p cleary, even when others point where is their problem and they rather still call for nerfs etc and at sam time blame everyone more exp from frem for calling l2p to them

most of these noobs, newbies are rude

StormeReigns

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Edziu wrote: »

it is rude when you take l2p tip as rude

btw at all why that many player at all not only dont but even dont want to l2p cleary, even when others point where is their problem and they rather still call for nerfs etc and at sam time blame everyone more exp from frem for calling l2p to them

most of these noobs, newbies are rude

It's rude when you take l2p tip as rude.

BTW, that many players not only don't want to l2p clearly. Even when others point where their problem is. Although, they would rather call for nerfs, etc. at same time, blame everyone for telling them to l2p.

Most of these noobs are newbies, who are rude.

Fixed. L2T
Learn to Type.

Hapexamendios

LMNOP

Rain_Greyraven

Yes, ofcourse.

I only had it happen once in ESO, and before I could say anything the rest of the group just verbally burned the guy down with all the mistakes he was making.

Out of curiosity I checked into what I was supposed to L2P on (A piece of gear) only to find it was preferable but not mandatory.

Most tryhards are just trolls, nothing more.

Mr_Walker

Anyone who simply and repeatedly posts "l2p" as their entire argument should be ignored as a buffoon.

Raisin

Yes, ofcourse.

Question: Is it rude to tell someone L2P?
Answer: No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it.

=

Question: Is it rude to call someone a worthless idiot?
Answer: No, nothing wrong with politely telling someone you disagree with them.

(Nothing against ppl who chose this answer, I just think the writing in that part of the poll is very off)
Saying L2P is a mocking troll answer and just doesn't get used nicely... There is no good intention behind it. Educating someone (especially if they asked for it) is a very different thing. Like many others I voted based on the specific phrase.
As for giving advice, it does come down to reading the mood of a post to gauge whether the poster is interested in advice or not. A good idea may be to not start with a wall-of-text and instead give more casual advice to see if they'll bite? But given the nature of the forum, certain posts that discuss gameplay fine-tuning also just warrant explanation and correction from people. Generally if someone gives you unwanted advice you're allowed to be bothered by it, but it's not appropriate to lash out. Politely tell them you're not interested. If they continue or you originally stated it and they purposefully ignore it, then they're a ***. If you ask for advice on the forums and the advice is along the lines of what this OP describes and you don't like hearing it... Tell people you changed your mind on the advice part. If you start a discussion thread as seems to be what OP is talking about, then you can't tell people not to educate if they find it necessary; that's why it's a discussion.

InvictusApollo

No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it.

Raisin wrote: »

Question: Is it rude to tell someone L2P?
Answer: No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it.

=

Question: Is it rude to call someone a worthless idiot?
Answer: No, nothing wrong with politely telling someone you disagree with them.

(Nothing against ppl who chose this answer, I just think the writing in that part of the poll is very off)
Saying L2P is a mocking troll answer and just doesn't get used nicely...

Have you cosnidered that it is just the way you take it in? Maybe the person saying it didn't mean to troll or say anything hurtfull. But you decided that they did, so suddenly they are an evil person. Have you ever considered that your judgement might be wrong? That words and phrases don't mean what you think they mean. You must know that meaning of many words and phrases changes depending on the context... nationality, culture and many other things.

For example when I say "l2p" to someone on forum who is calling for a nerf, then what I really mean is:
"Please do stop annoying me and others with your incessant whining for nerfs to a mechanic that has so many easy counters. It really makes me feel bad and worry that the game I love so much will become worse. You haven't taken enough time to research it so I won't give you my time, by educating you how you can deal with it yourself. Especially since many other people have already said everything I could tell you. However since I do care for this game and maybe a little about your enjoyment from it, I will repeat to you that you should learn to play a game before you start having an opinion about it. Please stop trying to destroy this game for others. Instead please learn how to play it, so that you and everyone else could enjoy it."

However it seems that you hear only:
"You are so bad and pathetic at this game that I can't even look at you. How can you live with yourself being such a worthless failure who can't even learn to play? You are a worthless idiot!"

How you interpret other peoples comments on the Internet depends on your own sense of self worth. Self confident people who know their worth, who achieved numerous successes in their lifes that they are proud of, will be more likely to assume that comments directed at them have more positive meaning. Or at least won't feel bothered even if it is obvious that comment's intention was malicious.

TLDR: It all depends how you and the other person who used "L2P" define it. Your definition isn't allways the same as theirs. It is your choice to assume the intention.

It reminds me of a tale of a house of 1000 mirrors.

irstarkey57

Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn.

Can we do a follow up poll asking how many “Star made Knights” and “Sun Dusk Reapers” picked Red and how many “Flawless Conqueror’s” / IR’s / Drom Destroyers etc picked blue? Trolololol

anitajoneb17_ESO

Yes, ofcourse.

InvictusApollo wrote: »

Have you considered that it is just the way you take it in? .../...How you interpret other peoples comments on the Internet depends on your own sense of self worth.

Hey, you're introducing a major methodological error here.
Your poll question is "is it rude to tell someone L2P" ?
That questions the intentions and motives of the SENDER of the message. Those intentions and motives exist regardless of the RECEIVER of the message. The receiver of the message can choose to interpret the message positively or negatively, but it doesn't affect the original intentions of the sender of the message.

If you wanted to question the receiving end of a "L2P" message, you should have worded your poll accordingly, i.e. "When someone tells you to L2P, do you think it's rude ?"

Also, if you think that all people who think that "L2P" is rude are lacking tolerance for criticism and sense of self-worth, feel free to write about it in a convincing way, but don't make a poll if your primary goal is not to know what people think or feel, but just to prove them wrong and make your point.