Is it rude to tell someone "l2p"?

Titansteele

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As with all things it is not rude if done correctly.

In the right context it is no rude at all but there is plenty of scope for it to be very rude.

@Aurayna if you want to do some group content with good players that encourage others nicely hit me up.

FierceSam

Yes, ofcourse.

Genomic wrote: »

It's a very mild type of rude. Seriously, if you're getting upset that someone typed 'l2p' then I feel you're going to have a really rough time dealing with the vicissitudes of real life.

Unlike many things, rudeness doesn’t have levels... it’s either or, you can’t be ‘a bit’ rude.

I don’t like rude people. They don’t upset me, they revolt me. And I’d prefer it if they modified their behaviour.

If you genuinely want to help someone, you’re never going to tell them “L2P” because it won’t benefit them in any way, that’s like a teacher calling your child a ******* while trying to educate them

Teaching is never ever about the teacher, it should always be about the learner. And, yes, sometimes you do your best to teach someone something and it doesn’t work (they may not be ready or you may not be effective, or just ‘reasons’).

All I know is that adding abuse into the mix won’t help anyone learn.

witchdoctor

InvictusApollo wrote: »

At this moment 44% agree ...

L2Statistic

InvictusApollo

No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it.

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

Raisin wrote: »

InvictusApollo wrote: »

Raisin wrote: »

Question: Is it rude to tell someone L2P?
Answer: No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it.

=

Question: Is it rude to call someone a worthless idiot?
Answer: No, nothing wrong with politely telling someone you disagree with them.

(Nothing against ppl who chose this answer, I just think the writing in that part of the poll is very off)
Saying L2P is a mocking troll answer and just doesn't get used nicely...

Have you cosnidered that it is just the way you take it in? Maybe the person saying it didn't mean to troll or say anything hurtfull. But you decided that they did, so suddenly they are an evil person. Have you ever considered that your judgement might be wrong? That words and phrases don't mean what you think they mean. You must know that meaning of many words and phrases changes depending on the context... nationality, culture and many other things.

For example when I say "l2p" to someone on forum who is calling for a nerf, then what I really mean is:
"Please do stop annoying me and others with your incessant whining for nerfs to a mechanic that has so many easy counters. It really makes me feel bad and worry that the game I love so much will become worse. You haven't taken enough time to research it so I won't give you my time, by educating you how you can deal with it yourself. Especially since many other people have already said everything I could tell you. However since I do care for this game and maybe a little about your enjoyment from it, I will repeat to you that you should learn to play a game before you start having an opinion about it. Please stop trying to destroy this game for others. Instead please learn how to play it, so that you and everyone else could enjoy it."

However it seems that you hear only:
"You are so bad and pathetic at this game that I can't even look at you. How can you live with yourself being such a worthless failure who can't even learn to play? You are a worthless idiot!"

How you interpret other peoples comments on the Internet depends on your own sense of self worth. Self confident people who know their worth, who achieved numerous successes in their lifes that they are proud of, will be more likely to assume that comments directed at them have more positive meaning. Or at least won't feel bothered even if it is obvious that comment's intention was malicious.

TLDR: It all depends how you and the other person who used "L2P" define it. Your definition isn't allways the same as theirs. It is your choice to assume the intention.

It reminds me of a tale of a house of 1000 mirrors.

Hi. I could also call you an a-hole and ask you if you're just taking it in the wrong way. The answer is no. There is a difference between things that are up for interpretation and clearly defined insults. I'm certainly not having a philosophical debate about something so stupid. Sorry, it's just.... it's not that deep.

Edit: I have now read the rest of your response. You're really really stupid and mildly delusional. The hypocracy in your mad rambling about projecting intention on people while making a super long delusional post about projecting your wild ideas onto me and my statement is also hilarious. You're also very patronizing and rude in trying to proof a point that's just wrong.
If people agree that 'L2P' is something people purposefully use to be *** to others, then stop using it, instead of crying that you're a special snowflake that's too naive to know it's bad and you alone can decide it changes meaning when you use it. Get over it.

Edit edit: Sorry I keep making edits but I keep laughing about how batshit insane this is. Are you trying to psychoanalyze me and diagnose me with self esteem issues for explaining this to you. People aren't butthurt you're telling them to get better. You're giving them a *** answer most people only use ironically to mimick elitist ***. And you're using it seriouslyl It's literally a single phrase. If you don't mean to be rude to people, just stop saying L2P and express what you really wanna say. It's not that hard.

Hi. Calling someone a direct insult and vaguely insulting their skill level arent the same thing and if you think they are you need mental help. Sorry, but beyond that it's not that deep.

Edit: Character attacks on the OP dont help your position and make you look more mentally unstable. If you think "l2p" is elitist you might want to evaluate your own skill levels.

"If you don't mean to be rude to people, just stop saying L2P and express what you really wanna say. It's not that hard."


I think if people expressed what they really wanted to say you'd be very unhappy with those responses. Don't ask to open Pandora's Box I'd you can't handle base insults or calls of competition.

Edit Edit: If you think "l2p" is harmful or you think it shouldn't be used because words can be harmful then you without a doubt 100% have self esteem issues.

@Rave the Histborn
Thank you.
Respect is earned and lost through action. You have earned my respect.

Uryel

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Using an abbreviation because one can't be arsed spelling it entirely is already enough to demonstrate they don't have time / will to educate others, right ? Gotta consider that people may not use englmish as their main language, too, and might not know what that means at all. For all those people who scream from the top of their lungs that people should speak english on the chat, I find they don't bother much trying proper english, what wuth the silly abbreviations, grammar butchery and other "ur", "m8", and whatnot.

Now... If the "learn to play" thing is made with proper educationnal value, why not ? But the starting point is off for several reason.

- Someone who screams for nerfs is probably too slef-righteous to even understand they might be doing something wrong
- Someone who simply states "l2p" is probably too self-righteous / lazy to properly explain
- Sometime, people who care to explain do it in such an unpleasant way you'd rather slap them in the face with a shovel than listen to anything they're trying to say.

People. Do I really need to say more ?

Deathlord92

Some of these clowns just have to be told 😎

Sirvaleen

Yes, ofcourse.

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

Hi. Calling someone a direct insult and vaguely insulting their skill level arent the same thing and if you think they are you need mental help. Sorry, but beyond that it's not that deep.

Edit: Character attacks on the OP dont help your position and make you look more mentally unstable. If you think "l2p" is elitist you might want to evaluate your own skill levels.

"If you don't mean to be rude to people, just stop saying L2P and express what you really wanna say. It's not that hard."


I think if people expressed what they really wanted to say you'd be very unhappy with those responses. Don't ask to open Pandora's Box I'd you can't handle base insults or calls of competition.

Edit Edit: If you think "l2p" is harmful or you think it shouldn't be used because words can be harmful then you without a doubt 100% have self esteem issues.

InvictusApollo wrote: »

@Rave the Histborn
Thank you.
Respect is earned and lost through action. You have earned my respect.

It's interesting to see OP agreeing so strongly with that post.

Just wondering if the motive behind that poll is to actually discern if that word is inherently derogatory or if it's merely a convoluted way to obtain some endorsement of the continued use of it as well as the convenient opportunity to do so broadly... with, seemingly, the added bonus of giving free reign and encouraging people to use denigrations to theorize on the rationales behind the recipient's interpretation of "L2P" (which are still IMHO completely irrelevant).

anitajoneb17_ESO

Yes, ofcourse.

Sirvaleen wrote: »

It's interesting to see OP agreeing so strongly with that post.
Just wondering if the motive behind that poll is to actually discern if that word is inherently derogatory or if it's merely a convoluted way to obtain some endorsement of the continued use of it as well as the convenient opportunity to do so broadly... with, seemingly, the added bonus of giving free reign and encouraging people to use denigrations to theorize on the rationales behind the recipient's interpretation of "L2P" (which are still IMHO completely irrelevant).

My perception is that the OP lives, or desperately wishes to live, in a totally binary representation of the world where there are two categories of people - and only 2 : the ones who know, and the ones who don't know. The former are entitled to (and even must) teach to the latter in any shape or form, and the latter should try and learn by all means from the former in order to belong to them at some stage.
The reality of things is of course far more complicated than that - but that's something the OP is not ready to learn yet.

SaucyMcSauceface

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It depends on the context. If it is because they have played badly, then probably. If it is a person on the forums asking for a skill to be nerfed, or light attack weaving to be removed, or similar simply because they cannot be bothered putting in the time needed to get better, then i think it is fine.

InvictusApollo

No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Sirvaleen wrote: »

It's interesting to see OP agreeing so strongly with that post.
Just wondering if the motive behind that poll is to actually discern if that word is inherently derogatory or if it's merely a convoluted way to obtain some endorsement of the continued use of it as well as the convenient opportunity to do so broadly... with, seemingly, the added bonus of giving free reign and encouraging people to use denigrations to theorize on the rationales behind the recipient's interpretation of "L2P" (which are still IMHO completely irrelevant).

My perception is that the OP lives, or desperately wishes to live, in a totally binary representation of the world where there are two categories of people - and only 2 : the ones who know, and the ones who don't know. The former are entitled to (and even must) teach to the latter in any shape or form, and the latter should try and learn by all means from the former in order to belong to them at some stage.
The reality of things is of course far more complicated than that - but that's something the OP is not ready to learn yet.

You do know that talking about someone adn referring to them with third person, while they are next to you, is... rude
Both of you are overthinking this too much. And both of you have missed. Especially you @anitajoneb17_ESO

Bobby_V_Rockit

Other (type in comment)

InvictusApollo wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Sirvaleen wrote: »

It's interesting to see OP agreeing so strongly with that post.
Just wondering if the motive behind that poll is to actually discern if that word is inherently derogatory or if it's merely a convoluted way to obtain some endorsement of the continued use of it as well as the convenient opportunity to do so broadly... with, seemingly, the added bonus of giving free reign and encouraging people to use denigrations to theorize on the rationales behind the recipient's interpretation of "L2P" (which are still IMHO completely irrelevant).

My perception is that the OP lives, or desperately wishes to live, in a totally binary representation of the world where there are two categories of people - and only 2 : the ones who know, and the ones who don't know. The former are entitled to (and even must) teach to the latter in any shape or form, and the latter should try and learn by all means from the former in order to belong to them at some stage.
The reality of things is of course far more complicated than that - but that's something the OP is not ready to learn yet.

You do know that talking about someone adn referring to them with third person, while they are next to you, is... rude
Both of you are overthinking this too much. And both of you have missed. Especially you @anitajoneb17_ESO

Oh pish posh, everything’s rude if it hurts someones feels

Rave the Histborn

Simply no.

Sirvaleen wrote: »

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

Hi. Calling someone a direct insult and vaguely insulting their skill level arent the same thing and if you think they are you need mental help. Sorry, but beyond that it's not that deep.

Edit: Character attacks on the OP dont help your position and make you look more mentally unstable. If you think "l2p" is elitist you might want to evaluate your own skill levels.

"If you don't mean to be rude to people, just stop saying L2P and express what you really wanna say. It's not that hard."


I think if people expressed what they really wanted to say you'd be very unhappy with those responses. Don't ask to open Pandora's Box I'd you can't handle base insults or calls of competition.

Edit Edit: If you think "l2p" is harmful or you think it shouldn't be used because words can be harmful then you without a doubt 100% have self esteem issues.

InvictusApollo wrote: »

@Rave the Histborn
Thank you.
Respect is earned and lost through action. You have earned my respect.

It's interesting to see OP agreeing so strongly with that post.

Just wondering if the motive behind that poll is to actually discern if that word is inherently derogatory or if it's merely a convoluted way to obtain some endorsement of the continued use of it as well as the convenient opportunity to do so broadly... with, seemingly, the added bonus of giving free reign and encouraging people to use denigrations to theorize on the rationales behind the recipient's interpretation of "L2P" (which are still IMHO completely irrelevant).

This is Alex Jones levels of tin foil hattery. There is no hidden alternative meaning to a poll, it is meant to count the opinion responses of people participating. I'd also like to point out that words are just words and anything "inherently derogatory" about them is contextual and should be judged by the situation and not applied to the words themselves. Here's an example of it not being derogatory.

Friend 1: Man you missed that item
Friend 2: Oh man, how'd I miss that?
Friend 1: LOL You gotta l2p man, you suck at this game
Friend 2: HAHAHA i gotta git gud dude

In your mind this is friendship ending and people would need counseling to deal with all the hidden implications and overt levels of privilege. Normal people see it as friendly ribbing.

" a convoluted way to obtain some endorsement of the continued use of it "

People are human beings with free will. No one is waiting or thinks that ZOS or anyone else needs them to endorse things for it to happen. ZOS could completely disavow the word and ban it in the chat filter. Guess what? People are going to by pass that to tell you it.

"with, seemingly, the added bonus of giving free reign and encouraging people to use denigrations to theorize on the rationales"

This is such a sad world view. Normal people have values and ideals that they hold and the notion that people are all of a sudden going to start just openly degrading each other is so convoluted. I think this is a major problem with 2019, there's a small group of people with a certain ideology that want to censor everything. They want to control your language because quite frankly they're too fragile to deal with the real world. Sorry, not going to happen.

It's interesting to see OP agreeing so strongly with that post.

I mean I'd probably agree with someone defending me as well. It's weird that you and the other person don't want to see "harmful" language like l2p in PVP but it's completely ok for you just make up assumptions and use the same kind of language you don't want other people using.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Sirvaleen wrote: »

It's interesting to see OP agreeing so strongly with that post.
Just wondering if the motive behind that poll is to actually discern if that word is inherently derogatory or if it's merely a convoluted way to obtain some endorsement of the continued use of it as well as the convenient opportunity to do so broadly... with, seemingly, the added bonus of giving free reign and encouraging people to use denigrations to theorize on the rationales behind the recipient's interpretation of "L2P" (which are still IMHO completely irrelevant).

My perception is that the OP lives, or desperately wishes to live, in a totally binary representation of the world where there are two categories of people - and only 2 : the ones who know, and the ones who don't know. The former are entitled to (and even must) teach to the latter in any shape or form, and the latter should try and learn by all means from the former in order to belong to them at some stage.
The reality of things is of course far more complicated than that - but that's something the OP is not ready to learn yet.

God it's almost like you either know something or you don't and it's just that simple. There are just 2 categories of people, "non binary" anything doesn't exist because that implies there's a strictly binary system. Please understand words before you use them.

TheHsN

Yes, ofcourse.

Yes ,
People are using that phrase that mostly who cant already play and l2p :):)

Rave the Histborn

Simply no.

InvictusApollo wrote: »

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

Raisin wrote: »

InvictusApollo wrote: »

Raisin wrote: »

Question: Is it rude to tell someone L2P?
Answer: No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it.

=

Question: Is it rude to call someone a worthless idiot?
Answer: No, nothing wrong with politely telling someone you disagree with them.

(Nothing against ppl who chose this answer, I just think the writing in that part of the poll is very off)
Saying L2P is a mocking troll answer and just doesn't get used nicely...

Have you cosnidered that it is just the way you take it in? Maybe the person saying it didn't mean to troll or say anything hurtfull. But you decided that they did, so suddenly they are an evil person. Have you ever considered that your judgement might be wrong? That words and phrases don't mean what you think they mean. You must know that meaning of many words and phrases changes depending on the context... nationality, culture and many other things.

For example when I say "l2p" to someone on forum who is calling for a nerf, then what I really mean is:
"Please do stop annoying me and others with your incessant whining for nerfs to a mechanic that has so many easy counters. It really makes me feel bad and worry that the game I love so much will become worse. You haven't taken enough time to research it so I won't give you my time, by educating you how you can deal with it yourself. Especially since many other people have already said everything I could tell you. However since I do care for this game and maybe a little about your enjoyment from it, I will repeat to you that you should learn to play a game before you start having an opinion about it. Please stop trying to destroy this game for others. Instead please learn how to play it, so that you and everyone else could enjoy it."

However it seems that you hear only:
"You are so bad and pathetic at this game that I can't even look at you. How can you live with yourself being such a worthless failure who can't even learn to play? You are a worthless idiot!"

How you interpret other peoples comments on the Internet depends on your own sense of self worth. Self confident people who know their worth, who achieved numerous successes in their lifes that they are proud of, will be more likely to assume that comments directed at them have more positive meaning. Or at least won't feel bothered even if it is obvious that comment's intention was malicious.

TLDR: It all depends how you and the other person who used "L2P" define it. Your definition isn't allways the same as theirs. It is your choice to assume the intention.

It reminds me of a tale of a house of 1000 mirrors.

Hi. I could also call you an a-hole and ask you if you're just taking it in the wrong way. The answer is no. There is a difference between things that are up for interpretation and clearly defined insults. I'm certainly not having a philosophical debate about something so stupid. Sorry, it's just.... it's not that deep.

Edit: I have now read the rest of your response. You're really really stupid and mildly delusional. The hypocracy in your mad rambling about projecting intention on people while making a super long delusional post about projecting your wild ideas onto me and my statement is also hilarious. You're also very patronizing and rude in trying to proof a point that's just wrong.
If people agree that 'L2P' is something people purposefully use to be *** to others, then stop using it, instead of crying that you're a special snowflake that's too naive to know it's bad and you alone can decide it changes meaning when you use it. Get over it.

Edit edit: Sorry I keep making edits but I keep laughing about how batshit insane this is. Are you trying to psychoanalyze me and diagnose me with self esteem issues for explaining this to you. People aren't butthurt you're telling them to get better. You're giving them a *** answer most people only use ironically to mimick elitist ***. And you're using it seriouslyl It's literally a single phrase. If you don't mean to be rude to people, just stop saying L2P and express what you really wanna say. It's not that hard.

Hi. Calling someone a direct insult and vaguely insulting their skill level arent the same thing and if you think they are you need mental help. Sorry, but beyond that it's not that deep.

Edit: Character attacks on the OP dont help your position and make you look more mentally unstable. If you think "l2p" is elitist you might want to evaluate your own skill levels.

"If you don't mean to be rude to people, just stop saying L2P and express what you really wanna say. It's not that hard."


I think if people expressed what they really wanted to say you'd be very unhappy with those responses. Don't ask to open Pandora's Box I'd you can't handle base insults or calls of competition.

Edit Edit: If you think "l2p" is harmful or you think it shouldn't be used because words can be harmful then you without a doubt 100% have self esteem issues.

@Rave the Histborn
Thank you.
Respect is earned and lost through action. You have earned my respect.

Thanks! @InvictusApollo

ChunkyCat

Yes, ofcourse.

A lot of people in this thread need to L2P

Sirvaleen

Yes, ofcourse.

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

This is Alex Jones levels of tin foil hattery. There is no hidden alternative meaning to a poll, it is meant to count the opinion responses of people participating. I'd also like to point out that words are just words and anything "inherently derogatory" about them is contextual and should be judged by the situation and not applied to the words themselves.

I would like to point out that is not a fact, only your opinion.

Although profanity is considered mundane in our culture today, it doesn't magically make words lose their intrinsic meaning, literally and figuratively. Yes, words also carry a lot more than their inherent significance : thoughts, ideas, judgements, etc., since context indeed adds to that basic meaning, but is in no way making that one disappear. Having an "intended meaning" which is purely contextual doesn't supersede the fundamental meaning of a word. I'm not the one making up those principles, nor is it my "ideology" like you're implying thereafter.
That's why, saying "words are just words" is pretty simplistic IMHO.

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

Normal people see it as friendly ribbing.

But, contrary to what you have been doing so far, I'm able to understand your point of view without repeatedly and heavily implying that my approach is the "normal" one and others need "mental help" or are "too fragile to deal with the real world".

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

People are human beings with free will. No one is waiting or thinks that ZOS or anyone else needs them to endorse things for it to happen. ZOS could completely disavow the word and ban it in the chat filter. Guess what? People are going to by pass that to tell you it.

This is such a sad world view. Normal people have values and ideals that they hold and the notion that people are all of a sudden going to start just openly degrading each other is so convoluted. I think this is a major problem with 2019, there's a small group of people with a certain ideology that want to censor everything. They want to control your language because quite frankly they're too fragile to deal with the real world. Sorry, not going to happen.

Why you're taking the opportunity to make another amalgam between censorship and moderation, I have no idea. I don't know where that actually comes from since I don't remember seeing anyone suggesting such a thing, least of all me.
A word being offensive or derogatory implies that you have to control your tongue if you do not want to appear as that kind of person, it's a personal choice and a skill you learn pretty early in life.

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

It's interesting to see OP agreeing so strongly with that post.

I mean I'd probably agree with someone defending me as well. It's weird that you and the other person don't want to see "harmful" language like l2p in PVP but it's completely ok for you just make up assumptions and use the same kind of language you don't want other people using.

I do not believe I even recall mentioning PvP at all in my precedent posts. I don't see how saying that I find a fact "interesting" is an assumption or where I've actually used any offensive or derogatory language.

I don't think either of us will agree on that poll or on semantics, but I would appreciate if you could refrain from distorting my comments.

Cheers.

xxthir13enxx

Yes, ofcourse.

Ironically, I’m beginning to think the word that truly is at issue here is the definition of
Rude
lol
For some reason...some ppl seem to think that Rude behaviour is just some kind of Extreme behaviour that people take mortal offense too...
Is having an active S&M relationship in the middle of a elementary school classroom an example of Rude behaviour?
Yes...
But so is not holding the door while a sweet ol’ Lady is trying to get through...

Rave the Histborn

Simply no.

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

Ironically, I’m beginning to think the word that truly is at issue here is the definition of
Rude
lol
For some reason...some ppl seem to think that Rude behaviour is just some kind of Extreme behaviour that people take mortal offense too...
Is having an active S&M relationship in the middle of a elementary school classroom an example of Rude behaviour?
Yes...
But so is not holding the door while a sweet ol’ Lady is trying to get through...

LOL not in 2019 friend, some people will accuse you of being a sexist if you do that.

Goregrinder

Simply no.

It's as rude as telling someone who cut you off in traffic to "L2D".

Rave the Histborn

Simply no.

Sirvaleen wrote: »

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

This is Alex Jones levels of tin foil hattery. There is no hidden alternative meaning to a poll, it is meant to count the opinion responses of people participating. I'd also like to point out that words are just words and anything "inherently derogatory" about them is contextual and should be judged by the situation and not applied to the words themselves.

I would like to point out that is not a fact, only your opinion.

Although profanity is considered mundane in our culture today, it doesn't magically make words lose their intrinsic meaning, literally and figuratively. Yes, words also carry a lot more than their inherent significance : thoughts, ideas, judgements, etc., since context indeed adds to that basic meaning, but is in no way making that one disappear. Having an "intended meaning" which is purely contextual doesn't supersede the fundamental meaning of a word. I'm not the one making up those principles, nor is it my "ideology" like you're implying thereafter.
That's why, saying "words are just words" is pretty simplistic IMHO.

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

Normal people see it as friendly ribbing.

But, contrary to what you have been doing so far, I'm able to understand your point of view without repeatedly and heavily implying that my approach is the "normal" one and others need "mental help" or are "too fragile to deal with the real world".

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

People are human beings with free will. No one is waiting or thinks that ZOS or anyone else needs them to endorse things for it to happen. ZOS could completely disavow the word and ban it in the chat filter. Guess what? People are going to by pass that to tell you it.

This is such a sad world view. Normal people have values and ideals that they hold and the notion that people are all of a sudden going to start just openly degrading each other is so convoluted. I think this is a major problem with 2019, there's a small group of people with a certain ideology that want to censor everything. They want to control your language because quite frankly they're too fragile to deal with the real world. Sorry, not going to happen.

Why you're taking the opportunity to make another amalgam between censorship and moderation, I have no idea. I don't know where that actually comes from since I don't remember seeing anyone suggesting such a thing, least of all me.
A word being offensive or derogatory implies that you have to control your tongue if you do not want to appear as that kind of person, it's a personal choice and a skill you learn pretty early in life.

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

It's interesting to see OP agreeing so strongly with that post.

I mean I'd probably agree with someone defending me as well. It's weird that you and the other person don't want to see "harmful" language like l2p in PVP but it's completely ok for you just make up assumptions and use the same kind of language you don't want other people using.

I do not believe I even recall mentioning PvP at all in my precedent posts. I don't see how saying that I find a fact "interesting" is an assumption or where I've actually used any offensive or derogatory language.

I don't think either of us will agree on that poll or on semantics, but I would appreciate if you could refrain from distorting my comments.

Cheers.

l2p isn't profanity so you've already poisoned the well of the argument by trying to compare the two. Not everything is black and white, context of situations matters, it has and always will no matter how hard you try to change that. The context of the situation ALWAYS supersedes the actual word itself. If context doesn't matter then you talking about the word makes you just as bad as the original person using the word since the only power is with the word itself and not the situation. You are 100% making up principals because you're changing how words work how you want and disregarding all context of any other factors aside from the word itself. It is also 100% ideological as well as the majority of people don't share your same world view, a view evolved from political ideologies.

You also seem to be making mass judgement on people and the language they use and the kind of person they are which is much more of a toxic world view and I think we've found the root of your problem with language like this. You are seeing people using phrases you don't like because instead of viewing the word in the way they used it you are viewing it in the way you would use it. Therefore it HAS to be negative and it can only be negative. Words don't work like that.

You don't seem to understand anyone else's view but you're own if you did, then you wouldn't keep trying to frame it in your view point. Yes, if words hurt you you are not mentally well and you need help. You tried saying that "it's a personal choice and a skill you learn pretty early in life" but you fail to see my point of view on it. It's also a personal choice to get mad at words on the internet and there's a nursery rhyme "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me." Coping and learning to deal with reality are also personal choices and skills learned at a young age.

Where else do you get told l2p besides pvp? I've been playing for over 4 years and that's not really a phrase you see in pve. The pve has it's own toxic phrases and ways of doing things, l2p is mainly said in a competitive pvp environment. Maybe follow the overall conversation? If you did you'd have a better grasp of this whole thing.

Starlock

Yes, ofcourse.

Goregrinder wrote: »

It's as rude as telling someone who cut you off in traffic to "L2D".

Ah, can you show us the clear, established laws for playing Elder Scrolls Online? You know, the ones that will cause us to be arrested and be fined or serve jail time of we don't obey?

Bonus points if you can demonstrate how failure to follow the laws of Elder Scrolls Online may result in your death or dismemberment.

Rave the Histborn

Simply no.

Starlock wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

It's as rude as telling someone who cut you off in traffic to "L2D".

Ah, can you show us the clear, established laws for playing Elder Scrolls Online? You know, the ones that will cause us to be arrested and be fined or serve jail time of we don't obey?

Bonus points if you can demonstrate how failure to follow the laws of Elder Scrolls Online may result in your death or dismemberment.

There is no law against saying learn to drive because everyone is allowed to express themselves. That's why it's ok to say l2p, it doesn't hurt anyone.

I think we can concede the entire conversation to you if you can prove saying L2D has resulted in death or dismemberment or how saying L2P has also resulted in death or dismemberment.

Starlock

Yes, ofcourse.

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

It's as rude as telling someone who cut you off in traffic to "L2D".

Ah, can you show us the clear, established laws for playing Elder Scrolls Online? You know, the ones that will cause us to be arrested and be fined or serve jail time of we don't obey?

Bonus points if you can demonstrate how failure to follow the laws of Elder Scrolls Online may result in your death or dismemberment.

There is no law against saying learn to drive because everyone is allowed to express themselves. That's why it's ok to say l2p, it doesn't hurt anyone.

I think we can concede the entire conversation to you if you can prove saying L2D has resulted in death or dismemberment or how saying L2P has also resulted in death or dismemberment.

That... isn't...

... I'm not sure how to take the combination of utterly missing the point and also failing recognizing that post was facetious. Should I have included an emoticon or something? Yeah. Apparently so. My bad. Here's the restroactive emoticon:

StormeReigns

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Prostate Examination this thread desperately needs it, followed by colonoscopy.

witchdoctor

Titansteele wrote: »

In the right context it is no rude at all but there is plenty of scope for it to be very rude.

This.

Like most social interactions, it depends on context.

Like the use of any loaded phrase, if you misjudge the audience, you are the one who may look like a t**t.

InvictusApollo

No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it.

SkerKro wrote: »

Prostate Examination this thread desperately needs it, followed by colonoscopy.

Master Yoda is that you?

Goregrinder

Simply no.

Starlock wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

It's as rude as telling someone who cut you off in traffic to "L2D".

Ah, can you show us the clear, established laws for playing Elder Scrolls Online? You know, the ones that will cause us to be arrested and be fined or serve jail time of we don't obey?

Bonus points if you can demonstrate how failure to follow the laws of Elder Scrolls Online may result in your death or dismemberment.

Easy, they are the same clear and established laws that government "Rudeness" in ESO.

MrGhosty

It's kind of a no-brainer that l2p does not equal "helpfully giving advice at how to play the game better", even the slightly less onerous usage of "this is a l2p issue" is still dismissive and doesn't further any dialogue.

For the person who provided more tactful examples by being overly wordy is also being disingenuous. For 85% of most players all that is required is to explain why something failed in plain terms. The rest will either require much more in depth education that isn't really fair on the rest of the group to try and do in the middle of a dungeon or they're not interested in learning at all.

Honestly anytime I see someone type that either in-game or in the forums I am way less likely to take anything they suggest seriously as it rings of hubris. Thankfully I see it far more often used on forums than in-game with most people happy to take the time to explain things. I had a few dlc dungeon runs after returning to the game after being gone years and just asked if everyone knew mechanics and then briefly explained them. When we wiped the first couple times they corrected what we were doing wrong. That is how you help your fellow players rise to a higher level of play, not typing L2p and swanning off.

Rave the Histborn

Simply no.

Starlock wrote: »

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

It's as rude as telling someone who cut you off in traffic to "L2D".

Ah, can you show us the clear, established laws for playing Elder Scrolls Online? You know, the ones that will cause us to be arrested and be fined or serve jail time of we don't obey?

Bonus points if you can demonstrate how failure to follow the laws of Elder Scrolls Online may result in your death or dismemberment.

There is no law against saying learn to drive because everyone is allowed to express themselves. That's why it's ok to say l2p, it doesn't hurt anyone.

I think we can concede the entire conversation to you if you can prove saying L2D has resulted in death or dismemberment or how saying L2P has also resulted in death or dismemberment.

That... isn't...

... I'm not sure how to take the combination of utterly missing the point and also failing recognizing that post was facetious. Should I have included an emoticon or something? Yeah. Apparently so. My bad. Here's the restroactive emoticon:

Hey guys, my serious response is actually a troll lololololol

Sure thing boomer humor

Zacuel

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I'm triggered from reading the title alone.

How dare you.

I'm not insecure, you're insecure!

Okay now you're just being belligerent.

Reported.