Is it rude to tell someone "l2p"?

InvictusApollo

We often see people call for nerfs out of pure ignorance. They are making some obvious mistakes. Whether it is the lack of experience or knowledge about game mechanics the fact is obvious that had they learned how to play, they wouldn't have the issues that made them call for a nerf.
In all those threads we see other people saying: "l2p", which stands to: "learn to play". Some people offer education in the topic that is being discussed. While others simply notify the nerf caller about his/her need to increase his/her skill or widen game knowledge. The intention here is good: educate or notify about the importance of education, in order to help the nerf caller overcome his/her issues and have more fun playing the game. However some people consider this condescending or even insulting.
What is your opinion?

hasi

Yes, ofcourse.

Well, I think it is a bit rude to simply say "l2p ya noob" and nothing else.

If the people offer simple advice or teach said person how they can counter this or that, it's totally alright.

The choice of words matters IMO.

Yuffie91

Yes, ofcourse.

I think it's rude. You never know what's going on with the other person. For all you know they could have problems or be a young child

Darsaga

Other (type in comment)

We all started somewhere. I’m guilty of not taking new players under my wing but if they are doing bad I’m not a prick to them. Point them in the right directions and move on.

Don’t forget where you came from.

SipofMaim

Yes, ofcourse.

I've never seen "l2p" used when somebody is actually trying to explain something. That's sure as hell not how I use it. Don't pretty it up now, I'll have to start throwing down "ffs" instead.

probabkyravi

Other (type in comment)

To be rude is often a sign of romance.

l2p is easy chat up line.

kylewwefan

Yes, ofcourse.

It will not go over well. Even if advice is offered. I am however ok with that. Having been on both sides of it.

Stebarnz

Simply no.

The game is 5 years old with so many guides and tips, not playing effectively is just lazy. However if someone asks for help and learns from it ill try and help, its the 'youre and elitist crew' that needs to L2P

Lyserus

Yes, ofcourse.

You wouldn't need the phrase if you truly are helping

If that's the first thing you say to a new player, yes you are a jerk

Xarc

Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn.

Rude when it's not helping him/her.
Sometimes people just say it to feel strong, and this sucks.

buttaface

It's not "rude," but it certainly isn't an argument that supports a claim, which is how it is most widely misused in the fanboi jargon lexicon, particularly on gaming forums.

probabkyravi

Other (type in comment)

I had a lv10 player vs Saras this morning, he was stronger than half of the group and he had 0 CP + started playing yesterday.

l2p is a chat up line.

squinceybones

Other (type in comment)

Only if you say please

valkyrie93

Yes, ofcourse.

of course it is. some ppl were raised in a barn honestly

mocap

if you are from EU, then it's absolutely unacceptable, cuz of tolerant education and whatever...
if you are from any other country, then it doesn't matter, you will likely just be ignored xd

ChunkyCat

Yes, ofcourse.

That’s why I say it.

>,>

Cirantille

Yes, ofcourse.

Well obviously.
Maybe they are indeed learning how to play?
Maybe they are new?
Not everyone joined the game at the beginning.

bmnoble

Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn.

If your too lazy to actually point out/explain what you think the player is doing wrong, then its somewhat rude and your better off not saying anything.

If you take the time to help someone, its fine, whether they choose to listen to your advice is up to them.


Simply typing l2p, seems more lazy than rude.

Iarao

Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn.

Yuffie91 wrote: »

I think it's rude. You never know what's going on with the other person. For all you know they could have problems or be a young child

a young child should not be on this game! if they are, should they not learn to play it?

wolfbone

Yes, ofcourse.

going to say, as a healer, I did black heart haven with 3 randoms who split up into 3 different directions, who then proceeded to complain because I couldnt keep them all alive when they where on opposite sides of the map. I did tell them to stick together to make my life easier, but their response was to kick me, and tell me not to false heal. I'm not being funny, but telling someone to learn to play isnt always aimed at the right person, like I've said here, sometimes, the problem is the group it's self, and the lack of team work and planting the blame on one person.

vibeborn

Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn.

Depends on how it's being said and what intentions are being it.

Like if you're in a veteran dungeon or trial with members who don't know what they're doing, but are willing to learn then it can come off as a bit rude, but if someone deliberately ruins it for everyone else, then I think it's okay

More so, not every aspect of the game is for every one, I myself am not good at PVP for example, so if the game was only focused on that, I would probably get a lot of L2Ps, and I would most likely find it rude, since I'm trying my best

BomblePants

Yes, ofcourse.

Yeah I think it is.... like someone else posted you never know who is on the end of that awesome looking 810 toon....

Like I didn’t play dungeons till I got to about 700 champ points cause I was too scared.... so others might assume I knew what I was doing cause of my champ points but really I knew nothing (I always said this and everyone has always been kind explaining stuff if needed).... but there could be other stuff going on too... illness, mental health issues.... anything

beadabow

Other (type in comment)

I am literally throwing some communications possibilities out there as examples of how the lack of "tone" in electronic communications can easily cause confusion.

"Learn to play." Older brother says to younger brother after younger brother asks if ESO is worth buying.

"Learn to play." Older brother says to younger brother after ducking when younger brother yells in frustration and throws controller at older brother.

"Learn to play." Younger brother says to older brother after the months older brother was away from the game for personal reasons and sees all of the new changes, but looks to younger brother for advice on whether he should get back into the game.

I could go on, but I think most of you catch my drift. So when a person types l2p into the chat box directed at another player, it could have different meanings ~ but still sounds a little rude at first glance.

InvictusApollo

No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it.

Yuffie91 wrote: »

I think it's rude. You never know what's going on with the other person. For all you know they could have problems or be a young child

Everyone has problems. It's called "life".

Ash_In_My_Sujamma

Other (type in comment)

Yes, but that's the point!

LadySinflower

Yes, ofcourse.

Absolutely it's rude to just blurt out "hey you! l2p!" Chances are the other person will have no clue about what specifically you think they did wrong. It's better to ask if they've run that particular content before and offer your advice if they seem open. If they don't, nobody is forcing you to play with them. The nature of running advanced content with strangers can make it frustrating. It's really easy to want to scream and yell in the heat of the moment, but try to remember it's a person on the other side of the mic. How would you feel if someone talked to your kids, your spouse,or your mom the way you've been talking to your fellow gamers? Use some tact.

Weesacs

Yes, ofcourse.

Depends on the context. If I say to my friends L2P then they know it is coming from a place of jest.

If, however I say it to someone I am not familiar with, particularly with no additional explaination what it is they need to learn, then its rude (and patronising).

Being helpful isn't difficult (unless of course you haven't developed those social skils yet).

Jack-0

No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it.

Conversely, we might argue that it is the person who needs to learn to play that is in fact being rude by entering into a group-based environment with no clue about what they’re doing and how their lack of knowledge might negatively have an impact on others in the playspace. We can fairly assume that anyone in an MMO such as this has at least a basic ability to read (how else did they accept the T&C?) therefore the responsibility lies with them to read up a bit about what they’re attempting to do.

Vhozek

Simply no.

Imagine not wanting people to learn to play and enjoy the game as much as the rest of us. Now that is rude.

rotaugen454

Yes, ofcourse.

As a singular comment, it is very rude. But there can be rudeness in the other direction when you try to help. Most are not rude when you try to help nicely (not “How dumb are you? Don’t stand in red!”) but you also get “Don’t tell me what to do” sometimes.

InvictusApollo

No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it.

LadySinflower wrote: »

Absolutely it's rude to just blurt out "hey you! l2p!" Chances are the other person will have no clue about what specifically you think they did wrong. It's better to ask if they've run that particular content before and offer your advice if they seem open. If they don't, nobody is forcing you to play with them. The nature of running advanced content with strangers can make it frustrating. It's really easy to want to scream and yell in the heat of the moment, but try to remember it's a person on the other side of the mic. How would you feel if someone talked to your kids, your spouse,or your mom the way you've been talking to your fellow gamers? Use some tact.

Are those tactfull enough for you?

> During gameplay when someone fails miserably over and over without even trying to change their method:
"I'm sorry to tell you this but all data points to the fact that your skill level is insufficient to facilitate victory. I do not mean to tell you what to do, but when I was in your situation I went through all the hardships of researching the source of my failures and discovered the gameplay skills that allowed me to achieve a succesfull result."

> On forum when someone calls for an unnecessary nerf to a mechanic which has a very easy and common counter:
"I'm sorry to tell you this but all data points to the fact that your skill level is insufficient to facilitate victory. I do not mean to tell you what to do, but when I was in your situation I went through all the hardships of researching the source of my failures and discovered the gameplay skills that allowed me to achieve a succesfull result.
Your call for nerf has aroused in me the feeling of deep annoyance. For that reason I would like to politely ask you to do a thorough research next time. As other forum users have stated, the mechanic you are having issues with has numerous, easily accessible counters. I do not wish my feelings to limit your freedom, however if I may suggest an alternate behaviour of yours, I would suggest as follows. Please next time ask for help with an issue that is troubling you instead of calling for a change in game for every single player."

Edit: @LadySinflower