Is it rude to tell someone "l2p"?

CaptainVenom

Yes, ofcourse.

You can say "l2p" or teach/help them. There's always a better choice.

DTStormfox

No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it.

It is not rude if you also offer them a way of learning to play (such as instructions, advice, directions etc.) and constructively point out what they did wrong.

And I want to point out that some degree of rudeness should be allowed to prevent the 'walking on eggshells' phenomenon in chat.

Marcus684

InvictusApollo wrote: »

Yuffie91 wrote: »

I think it's rude. You never know what's going on with the other person. For all you know they could have problems or be a young child

Everyone has problems. It's called "life".

Never mind

anitajoneb17_ESO

Yes, ofcourse.

Of course it is.

Just like IRL. Any sentence starting with "Learn to..." with an imperative or condescending tone is very rude.

Have you even enjoyed anyone telling you (even nicely) to learn to cook / dress up / read / write / talk / loose weight / use your brain / whatever... ?

Luede

Yes, ofcourse.

Stebarnz wrote: »

The game is 5 years old with so many guides and tips, not playing effectively is just lazy. However if someone asks for help and learns from it ill try and help, its the 'youre and elitist crew' that needs to L2P

yep, so everyone plays CS like a Pro, because the rules and setup are very easy to understand? whats ur point? it takes a lot of months /playtime to find ur setup, learn all skills and set combinations and get ur muscle memory...

yt vids & guides bring u nowhere, u have to learn while playing this game and while u play this game u make a lot of mistakes. 5 star idiots whispers me after the first weeks playing pvp that i am the worst NB ever and had to l2p. i had maybe 200 cp at this time.

will be nice to meet this people now, but it seems they had quit this game....

l2p whisper and teebagging are always rude.

markulrich1966

Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn.

l2p is an abbreviation.

It already is kind of rude to reply to someone without giving any hint why he is wrong. Using an abbreviation in addition is even more rude.

Or silly. I just yawn reading such childish replies.

Darkenarlol

Other (type in comment)

if it is a real l2p issue that happens to my

friends or guildies... or even some PUG stranger

(if i'm in a good mood to spend my time on strangers ofc)

i won't say "l2p" but instead gonna explain the mechanics

or tactics or difference in builds/setups etc


if it happens on forums...

you can call it "rude" or whatever but the

persons i usually adress it to really should

spend some time learning a thing or two about

the game and "gitgud" instead of spreading

misleading rumors or cry for nerfs/ridiculously

stupid game changes just due to their own lack

of skill or mechanics knowledge

anitajoneb17_ESO

Yes, ofcourse.

Darkenarlol wrote: »

if it is a real l2p issue that happens to my <snip>

L2Post on a forum.
You really, really need it !

InvictusApollo

No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Of course it is.

Just like IRL. Any sentence starting with "Learn to..." with an imperative or condescending tone is very rude.

Have you even enjoyed anyone telling you (even nicely) to learn to cook / dress up / read / write / talk / loose weight / use your brain / whatever... ?

I have never enjoyed nor even experienced this as I allways strive to excell in everything I do. And whenever anyone told me l2p I allways took it as an occasion to stop for a moment, contemplate and research how I could improve.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Yes, ofcourse.

InvictusApollo wrote: »

I have never enjoyed nor even experienced this as I allways strive to excell in everything I do. And whenever anyone told me l2p I allways took it as an occasion to stop for a moment, contemplate and research how I could improve.

You can strive to excell at everything you do but you CANNOT possibly excell at anything and everything you try. You DO have weak points, probably many, like all of us, and things that you cannot improve even when working on them.
It's not polite for someone else to tell you to go correct and work on those things. It's basic social behaviour and instinctive respect of the Other Person with their differences.

GreenhaloX

Could be if the recipient is a bit less than thick-skinned or really give a shitt.

Darkenarlol

Other (type in comment)

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

L2Post on a forum.
You really, really need it !

use "post reply" button?

looks like i've allready learned that

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

It's not polite for someone else to tell you to go correct and work on those things. It's basic social behaviour and instinctive respect of the Other Person with their differences.

a wonderfull example of double standards?

jsarthur_ESO

Simply no.

The thought would never cross my mind. Rude, no...Nerd Rage, yes. It is inconsiderate, and there is just no place for it. Everyone learns to play. Grain of salt.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Yes, ofcourse.

Darkenarlol wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

L2Post on a forum.
You really, really need it !

use "post reply" button?

looks like i've allready learned that

Obviously not xD
But just to make things clear : I don't know from what device you're posting, but look at your post from a normal PC screen and you'll see what I mean.

Darkenarlol

Other (type in comment)

so... you think that it is rude to say "learn to play"

but it is ok to say "learn to post"?

is it a double standards showcase or

you are trying to be intentionally rude?


asking just for fun, i don't care about you anyway

Banana

Yes, ofcourse.

Play solo.

notyuu

Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn.

Telling somebody to learn to play without offering to teach them, or at the very least pointing out what they need to learn is quite rude
i.e

"l2p" = rude and makes you look like an ass
"l2p, look up weaving" = a bit less rude
"you do know that if you use light attack between each skill cast it'll increase your dps by quite a bit" =

InvictusApollo

No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

InvictusApollo wrote: »

I have never enjoyed nor even experienced this as I allways strive to excell in everything I do. And whenever anyone told me l2p I allways took it as an occasion to stop for a moment, contemplate and research how I could improve.

You can strive to excell at everything you do but you CANNOT possibly excell at anything and everything you try. You DO have weak points, probably many, like all of us, and things that you cannot improve even when working on them.
It's not polite for someone else to tell you to go correct and work on those things. It's basic social behaviour and instinctive respect of the Other Person with their differences.

If what you say was true, then all the teachers would be automatically "rude people". And for all the other situations you can allways disagree with the need to improve in a specific field. For example if out of the blue someone told me to learn how to do ballet, then I'd just reject their piece of advice and don't even bother.
However if someone told me the same thing after I ruined a ballet show for everyone, then I would humbly accept my inability to master ballet skills in a timely fashion.
Rarely anyone tells you to learn something without reason. Usually that reason is your very poor performance in an activity that includes other people. When your failure negatively affects others it is in my opinion socially acceptable to advise more education. Otherwise the person who has failed either won't have any incentive to learn or might even stay in delusion of being skillfull. Whatever the case is, the lack of call to education will lead to repetition of failure.

Which is worse? Allowing someone to fail miserably over and over or exposing them to a temporary negative emotion that will have a chance of facilitating success for that person?

Yuffie91

Yes, ofcourse.

Iarao wrote: »

Yuffie91 wrote: »

I think it's rude. You never know what's going on with the other person. For all you know they could have problems or be a young child

a young child should not be on this game! if they are, should they not learn to play it?

OP is asking if it is rude to tell someone "l2p" without offering any advice on how to actually do something

anitajoneb17_ESO

Yes, ofcourse.

Darkenarlol wrote: »

so... you think that it is rude to say "learn to play"

but it is ok to say "learn to post"?

is it a double standards showcase or

you are trying to be intentionally rude?


asking just for fun, i don't care about you anyway

I was trying to be "intentionally rude" to demonstrate that it is rude to say "learn to..." to anyone even if they objectively should learn to, unlike what you've said.

Like you should obviously learn to post because your posts are horribly formatted (it's probably the fault of the device you're using, but still).

InvictusApollo

No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it.

Yuffie91 wrote: »

Iarao wrote: »

Yuffie91 wrote: »

I think it's rude. You never know what's going on with the other person. For all you know they could have problems or be a young child

a young child should not be on this game! if they are, should they not learn to play it?

OP is asking if it is rude to tell someone "l2p" without offering any advice on how to actually do something

Actually I have provided multiple options in the poll to differentiate the situations in which people think it is ok/rude to say "l2p".

Vapirko

Other (type in comment)

Definitely condescending but also sometimes people just need to step back and, well, L2P. Basically it’s an indication to go figure it out usually because someone clearly hasn’t done any research on the topic or learned very simple concepts that are spelled out. And obviously they just need more time in game and less time on the forums.

MartiniDaniels

Depends on situation. Between friends it's great. Between strangers it's neutral. Between guildmates it's rude.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Yes, ofcourse.

InvictusApollo wrote: »

Yuffie91 wrote: »

I think it's rude. You never know what's going on with the other person. For all you know they could have problems or be a young child

Everyone has problems. It's called "life".

So it's OK to tell someone in a wheelchair to "get up and walk" ? Just because "everyone has problems, it's life" ?

InvictusApollo

No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Darkenarlol wrote: »

so... you think that it is rude to say "learn to play"

but it is ok to say "learn to post"?

is it a double standards showcase or

you are trying to be intentionally rude?


asking just for fun, i don't care about you anyway

I was trying to be "intentionally rude" to demonstrate that it is rude to say "learn to..." to anyone even if they objectively should learn to, unlike what you've said.

Like you should obviously learn to post because your posts are horribly formatted (it's probably the fault of the device you're using, but still).

What an awesome example of how beneficial "l2p" (in this case "learn to post") can be. One person wasn't aware of their mistakes in formatting and anothernotified them. In result said person probably had some negative emotion arise in their heart but said emotion served as a motivating force to discover what exactly is wrong with their posting. Ultimately said person will learn how to properly post and become a little bit better person, since knowledge increases ones value.

FearlessOne_2014

No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it.

As long as people offer a reason and advice after the L2P statement. It is not at all rude in my opinion.

But being smart about it and just telling players to L2P without any context. Is very rude indeed.

Michae

Yes, but only if there wasn't provided any direction on what to exactly learn.

Context is everything. As an offhand remark it's just rude, maybe I am learning to play right now? Not everybody immedieately "gits gud". So typing "l2p" or some other quick comment without really elaborating or sending a stream of rude messages doesn't really get us anywhere. Same with typing "l2p" and kicking someone from the group. The ESO's notoriously terrible at explaining it's mechanics and there are always fresh players who haven't really tried every kind of content the game offers. Try to be more patient.

If it's just some advice, not posted in threatening, condescending or rude manner then it's ok. Although someone giving advice wouldn't really start with "l2p", right?

ku5h

Maybe only if the person acts like he's a pro/cocky, but you know for sure he has no idea what's he talking about.

probabkyravi wrote: »

I had a lv10 player vs Saras this morning, he was stronger than half of the group and he had 0 CP + started playing yesterday.

l2p is a chat up line.

Second ACCs are a thing. Add battle leveling to the equation and your scenario is not at all surprising.

Bobby_V_Rockit

Other (type in comment)

I’ve voluntarily left many a dungeon, or have suggested that the others kick me because I am as good as I’m gonna get.

I humbly accept my station as someone who needs to L2P, but it seems I have a learning impairment.

InvictusApollo

No. There is nothing wrong with educating someone about the source of their problems, when they ask for it.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

InvictusApollo wrote: »

Yuffie91 wrote: »

I think it's rude. You never know what's going on with the other person. For all you know they could have problems or be a young child

Everyone has problems. It's called "life".

So it's OK to tell someone in a wheelchair to "get up and walk" ? Just because "everyone has problems, it's life" ?

No it is not. And it is obviously not what I meant thus I would appreciate if you weren't putting words in my mouth. As it is very rude to put anything in someones mouth without their consent.
What I meant was that we all have problems in our lives and we shouldn't be using them as excuses in those situations when said problems are only illusory limitations. Being disabled, sick etc is obviously not one of said situations.