Multi-bidding so far - GM & Officers how is it for you?

pelle412

Grimm13 wrote: »

ESO wants to claim they have +12 Million accounts yet limit the Trade aspect to a much smaller amount. 651,000 across all the platforms is all that can be on Traders in a given week. From the introduction of Traders until now they ratio has not kept up with the player base growth.

That would be a problem if there are players who want to be in a trading guild but can't because they're all full. I'm not aware of any personally. I believe many of those 12 million accounts are semi-casual players who don't care that much about trade.

jazsper77

Another week of all 30 of my Guilds winning their bids and so far on 2 platforms only 2 (ghost) spots. All tier Guilds also plus the 5 Guilds I placed bids for were 10% less then last week and that’s coming of a 15% less week before. So 2 weeks I’m Winning with 25% less gold. As I said from the beginning it would settle down.

The only Guilds I know complaining are
A. Guilds who can longer buy Ghosts
B. Squatters- Guild who were bidding in spots no one wanted and were getting them dirt cheap. Now those are being bid on as backups and raised the rent

Nova Sky

If ZoS needed a gold sink, all they would have to do is double the ingredient mats required to make pots, upgrade armor/weapons and so on.

Grimm13

jazsper77 wrote: »

Another week of all 30 of my Guilds winning their bids and so far on 2 platforms only 2 (ghost) spots. All tier Guilds also plus the 5 Guilds I placed bids for were 10% less then last week and that’s coming of a 15% less week before. So 2 weeks I’m Winning with 25% less gold. As I said from the beginning it would settle down.

The only Guilds I know complaining are
A. Guilds who can longer buy Ghosts
B. Squatters- Guild who were bidding in spots no one wanted and were getting them dirt cheap. Now those are being bid on as backups and raised the rent

What platforms & servers?

GarnetFire17

Nothing has changed much for me and my guild since I have a great team of officers and friends and we prepared very well and am on the PC NA server and not EU. And I did NOT raise dues or quotas. I refuse to do that.

And that's why it goes for me to stay that I still HATE the multi-bidding for the game in general. Most guilds ARE raising dues and quotas, hopefully come back down. But it seems like people have left the game, and stuff like this that makes the game less enjoyable for everyone has an impact. Maybe it's made things better on other platforms but for PC NA it makes it hardrer to stay in a good trade guild and very difficult to break through if you are a GM trying to get one of the better spots in the game. Good luck to all you other trade guilds out there.

We're Auction House Central on PC NA. Look us up on the guild finder. We're taking applications

driosketch

Small guild checking in. First let me state that I think it's important to have a few casual guilds, without donation requirements, to be able to get a trader from time to time. It keeps access to the economy open to a wider range of players. Such guilds tend to rely on a rich GM and a few generous members to sustain thier participation.

I dropped a bid on every DLC outlaw refuge the first week and lost them all. (Some of these are huge and maze like, with entrances far from a wayshrine.) Empty kiosks with no bids are pretty much a thing of the past. I've seen one since the new system, dopped 200k+ on it and won it for the following week only to lose a 500k bid the week after that. That level is not sustainable for us. Currently I'm doing a systematic sweep zone by zone looking for the new "low tide" marker. I'm just hoping it's still with in range, because beyond half a million, sales alone will not support trader bids.

bethsheba

Hijacking (sorry! Not a GM or Officer). It is a shame. I have been with GGG and ADON for a couple of years but I am going to have to leave now. The dues/requirement was 3k/week per guild and since I have very little playtime I struggled but kept up and would from time to time sell quite a bit. Now because of this system they are both changing to 10k IN TAXES or a 10k donation per week. For me that will now be 20k. It is a shame because they are both great guilds and I will miss them. I just cannot put in the game time to make those dues. Many guilds have been able to do it without increasing, it’s a shame.

AyeshaBelladonna

The new system has failed to deliver all around. Better shot at getting traders? Not without deep pockets. As an owner of a medium sized guild that used to have a trader regularly we have fast lost hope of ever winning another bid. We simply don't have the funds to compete when traders we usually got have doubled and tripled in costs. it isn't even worth it. The motivation behind the change was supposedly to give smaller guilds a better chance and instead has led to Cartel-like behavior from the mega trade guilds. This is getting seriously stupid at this point. Things don't seem to be settling down at all either as we had hoped was the 'shiny' wore off. I can only imagine the frustration and cost issues for the actual trade guilds now that don't have hundreds of millions availably to them.

peacenote

First, can't help but notice....

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »

Pushing smaller guilds out of their spots isn't fun.

There is no such thing as "their spot" anymore. Noone "owns" a spot and that's the very good thing about multibidding. You're just very, very slow at understanding it.

juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »

the bids are still inflating, and they aren't going down. Each week it gets worse.

Well, I am in 2 guilds, (a big one and a smaller one) and BOTH of them have won their usual spot again last night, and BOTH of them have reported that their (winning) bid was significantly lower than the week before.

...if the point of multi-bidding is to make it so no one "owns" a spot, but ironically to illustrate success you are pointing out that both of your guilds have won their "usual" spot... system has failed. :P Shouldn't they not HAVE a usual spot?!?

But anyway... weighing in as a lowly "trader." I don't run a trading guild nor am I an officer in one. I am curious what qualifies as a large vs. a medium vs. a small trading guild. How many transactions per week, minimum sales per week, minimum sales requirement is greater than x.... etc.

I say this because I believe I'm in what would qualify as a medium trading guild. Minimums are low, we have a nice friendly community, fun raffles and trivia and, up until multi-bidding, a decent trader where I could sell my stuff. I tend to play twice a week - Saturday and Sunday. I have been in my trading guild a long time. It was great that we settled into a pattern where the guild tended to obtain a spot in an area where the type of things I sell get sold, if that makes sense. I knew where my trader is, I sold enough to help us keep our trader, I knew a lot of the people in my guild and had a little "guild" pride... it was nice and friendly.

We are struggling now to keep our trader. Have lost it multiple times. I believe it is because this system really hurts medium sized trading guilds. And each week that we don't hit our minimum, we fall further behind.

Honestly I'm at the point where my usual objectivity is gone. I don't care what the system was supposed to accomplish. I almost don't care if it IS accomplishing anything at my perspective's expense, which I usually try to take into account. I'm worried for the health of my guild, and I miss the familiarity of having a "usual" spot. We didn't resort to any bad tactics. We weren't harming anyone. We were just a nice guild with the right mix of people that sold enough to keep a spot so our guild could self-sustain. As a trader... I HATE this system.

dvonpm

peacenote wrote: »

First, can't help but notice....

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »

Pushing smaller guilds out of their spots isn't fun.

There is no such thing as "their spot" anymore. Noone "owns" a spot and that's the very good thing about multibidding. You're just very, very slow at understanding it.

juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »

the bids are still inflating, and they aren't going down. Each week it gets worse.

Well, I am in 2 guilds, (a big one and a smaller one) and BOTH of them have won their usual spot again last night, and BOTH of them have reported that their (winning) bid was significantly lower than the week before.

...if the point of multi-bidding is to make it so no one "owns" a spot, but ironically to illustrate success you are pointing out that both of your guilds have won their "usual" spot... system has failed. :P Shouldn't they not HAVE a usual spot?!?

But anyway... weighing in as a lowly "trader." I don't run a trading guild nor am I an officer in one. I am curious what qualifies as a large vs. a medium vs. a small trading guild. How many transactions per week, minimum sales per week, minimum sales requirement is greater than x.... etc.

I say this because I believe I'm in what would qualify as a medium trading guild. Minimums are low, we have a nice friendly community, fun raffles and trivia and, up until multi-bidding, a decent trader where I could sell my stuff. I tend to play twice a week - Saturday and Sunday. I have been in my trading guild a long time. It was great that we settled into a pattern where the guild tended to obtain a spot in an area where the type of things I sell get sold, if that makes sense. I knew where my trader is, I sold enough to help us keep our trader, I knew a lot of the people in my guild and had a little "guild" pride... it was nice and friendly.

We are struggling now to keep our trader. Have lost it multiple times. I believe it is because this system really hurts medium sized trading guilds. And each week that we don't hit our minimum, we fall further behind.

Honestly I'm at the point where my usual objectivity is gone. I don't care what the system was supposed to accomplish. I almost don't care if it IS accomplishing anything at my perspective's expense, which I usually try to take into account. I'm worried for the health of my guild, and I miss the familiarity of having a "usual" spot. We didn't resort to any bad tactics. We weren't harming anyone. We were just a nice guild with the right mix of people that sold enough to keep a spot so our guild could self-sustain. As a trader... I HATE this system.

Yeah, same.

Probably everyone has their own definition of large, medium and small. I just equate those to trader locations. Rawl and Mournhold = large, Elden Root, Wayrest, Coldharbor, Skywatch, Alinor, and similar = med, everything else = small.

VVashton

As someone who runs one of the biggest trading guilds on Xbox Eu i actually... don’t know what to make of the changes.

From my perspective for my own guilds sake it’s great, failing at a top spot is no longer the end of the world. Knowing full well I overbid back ups at half the price of my original bid almost guarentees a top spot regardless, just not in my desired location of lost, so the sense of security is nice for sure, but saying that, fear and reputation goes out the window.

Before the changes it was simply about holding a spot and maintaining that spot, some weeks we got away with bids we definitely shouldn’t have - This can no longer be the case, if anything it’s the opposite, the bids have increased.

On a less selfish note, I disagree with the changes because of how conservative it is, how is it fair that a guild like mike can do 10 bids of 30/40/50m total after bids and still have remains, covering spots I wouldn’t usually to potentially knock out a guild that can only do 1-2 average bids and have nothing left?

It’s a new change that I can’t grt my head around, and it doesn’t appear positive nor negative.

tahol10069

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Well, I am in 2 guilds, (a big one and a smaller one) and BOTH of them have won their usual spot again last night, and BOTH of them have reported that their (winning) bid was significantly lower than the week before. So, either I'm just in the best guilds ever with the most clever GMs in the entire server (which might well be the case), OR you're flatout lying here. Or you're again taking your own personal case as a generality. Take your pick.

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Or maybe it is you who is lying? Because the one guild I'm in, a pure trading guild, is out of trader for this week because we lost the bid, and we bid more than we did before this "upgraded bidding system".

But with you it seems that everyone else is lying or manipulating and you are the one honest person in this world. And if you are called out for it, you blaim people for attacking you.

marius_buys

Blobsky wrote: »

marius_buys wrote: »

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

Well I agree to some extent, and I always supported thoughts of guilds in other hubs trying to achieve more and eat some sales away from the "conglomerates", actually a lot of them would be even happy about that since it's also reducing pressure on the top tier spotdls with every motivated gm trying to hit those top Hubs. Truth also is, that a lot of guilds aren't using tge hub to its potential, like windhelm and so on, but this isn't tgd fault of the to tier guilds but also the problem of low efforts of the guilds there in making hubs attractive, advertising btw, making sales week and other stuff might bring more attention to those hubs. But the truth also is, that there aren't even 200 gm willing to build and maintain a guild and a hub to that extend. Not 100, not even 50 or 30. Hubs also prosper from those gm and conglomerates pushing it. Before ttu captured vivecs front spots it was on its way to another rotten hub with rotten guilds. I know it's harsh, but it's also the truth. Remember how windhelm grew when alchemist emporium advertised the heck out of windhelm? This is up to the guilds competing the other top Hubs as well, but they just don't want it. It's too much work for them, complaints here complaints there blabla.

You have no idea what you're talking about do you? lol Are you even a GM of an active trading guild? Its tough out there at the moment bro, real tough.

That's Verbakontinenz, GM of Just Traders, Tamriel Stock Exchange and former go GM of Handelsgilde, Handelsgenoffenschaft, Bait Trading House and joint leader of UTE alliance on PC EU...

She was one of the most experienced (and thus exhausted) trade leaders on our server prior to retiring it lol

Yes and you dont think that the supertraders ARE the actual problem, its not tough for a guild earning 300M per week, I dont think youre seeing it as a medium and small guild issue, of course there is no problem for super traders. So yes, I still dont think a super trader know what they are talking about when they try to speak on behalf of small to medium sized guilds. We had the same spot for close on a year and I currently bid insane amounts to keep a consistent outlier trader from supetraders backup guilds that carry less than 10K stock.

So I say AGAIN: its VERY TOUGH OUT THERE FOR SMALL TO MEDIUM GUILDS and anyone else who disagree either does not run one or has an alternate agenda to their comment. We need an auction house. Period.

anitajoneb17_ESO

peacenote wrote: »

First, can't help but notice....

...if the point of multi-bidding is to make it so no one "owns" a spot, but ironically to illustrate success you are pointing out that both of your guilds have won their "usual" spot... system has failed. :P Shouldn't they not HAVE a usual spot?!?

LoL... I knew that one would come.
Note the difference between "usual" (where we have been for the last couple of weeks or months) and "ours" (which involves a sense of ownership and a feeling of being unfairly robbed of something if we lose it).

None of my 2 guilds ever had that feeling of "ownership" while all major guilds (and many smaller but established guilds) feel entitled to "THEIR" spot. That's the difference.

peacenote wrote: »

But anyway... weighing in as a lowly "trader." I don't run a trading guild nor am I an officer in one. I am curious what qualifies as a large vs. a medium vs. a small trading guild. How many transactions per week, minimum sales per week, minimum sales requirement is greater than x.... etc.

If we had a nice spreadsheet showing sales volume, requirements levels, transactions, bids and trader locations for each guild over, say, 6 months, like ZOS probably has somewhere, we'd probably be very surprised.
But we don't and we won't. GMs share data and agreements in "authorized circles" and everything is "top secret" outside of those circles.
Multibidding allows for some more transparency, since guilds can safely try different spots and get a feel of the bidding levels. But as long as the bids are blind, and bank data is hidden, we cannot call it a transparent market.

anitajoneb17_ESO

tahol10069 wrote: »

Because the one guild I'm in, a pure trading guild, is out of trader for this week because we lost the bid, and we bid more than we did before this "upgraded bidding system".

I'm sorry that you are in such a situation, and I don't deny that you're not the only one in that situation, but it's not the case for *everyone*. That's all.

Dont_do_drugs

marius_buys wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

marius_buys wrote: »

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

Well I agree to some extent, and I always supported thoughts of guilds in other hubs trying to achieve more and eat some sales away from the "conglomerates", actually a lot of them would be even happy about that since it's also reducing pressure on the top tier spotdls with every motivated gm trying to hit those top Hubs. Truth also is, that a lot of guilds aren't using tge hub to its potential, like windhelm and so on, but this isn't tgd fault of the to tier guilds but also the problem of low efforts of the guilds there in making hubs attractive, advertising btw, making sales week and other stuff might bring more attention to those hubs. But the truth also is, that there aren't even 200 gm willing to build and maintain a guild and a hub to that extend. Not 100, not even 50 or 30. Hubs also prosper from those gm and conglomerates pushing it. Before ttu captured vivecs front spots it was on its way to another rotten hub with rotten guilds. I know it's harsh, but it's also the truth. Remember how windhelm grew when alchemist emporium advertised the heck out of windhelm? This is up to the guilds competing the other top Hubs as well, but they just don't want it. It's too much work for them, complaints here complaints there blabla.

You have no idea what you're talking about do you? lol Are you even a GM of an active trading guild? Its tough out there at the moment bro, real tough.

That's Verbakontinenz, GM of Just Traders, Tamriel Stock Exchange and former go GM of Handelsgilde, Handelsgenoffenschaft, Bait Trading House and joint leader of UTE alliance on PC EU...

She was one of the most experienced (and thus exhausted) trade leaders on our server prior to retiring it lol

Yes and you dont think that the supertraders ARE the actual problem, its not tough for a guild earning 300M per week, I dont think youre seeing it as a medium and small guild issue, of course there is no problem for super traders. So yes, I still dont think a super trader know what they are talking about when they try to speak on behalf of small to medium sized guilds. We had the same spot for close on a year and I currently bid insane amounts to keep a consistent outlier trader from supetraders backup guilds that carry less than 10K stock.

So I say AGAIN: its VERY TOUGH OUT THERE FOR SMALL TO MEDIUM GUILDS and anyone else who disagree either does not run one or has an alternate agenda to their comment. We need an auction house. Period.

"it's not tough to earn 300m per week..." Just lol.

daemonios

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

marius_buys wrote: »

Yes and you dont think that the supertraders ARE the actual problem, its not tough for a guild earning 300M per week, I dont think youre seeing it as a medium and small guild issue, of course there is no problem for super traders. So yes, I still dont think a super trader know what they are talking about when they try to speak on behalf of small to medium sized guilds. We had the same spot for close on a year and I currently bid insane amounts to keep a consistent outlier trader from supetraders backup guilds that carry less than 10K stock.

So I say AGAIN: its VERY TOUGH OUT THERE FOR SMALL TO MEDIUM GUILDS and anyone else who disagree either does not run one or has an alternate agenda to their comment. We need an auction house. Period.

"it's not tough to earn 300m per week..." Just lol.

That is not what he said. He said that *if* a guild is making 300M/week, they won't have such a hard time with multi-bidding.

Anyway, my experience as a buyer rather than a seller (I just now joined a trading guild after coming back to the game a year ago, the economy isn't really that interesting a part of ESO nor is it really necessary for 99% of the time) is that there seem to be troll guilds at spots where you'd never think to find one before. I don't like the guild trader system, never have, don't see the merit in it. But if it was a PITA going over dozens of traders trying to find something, it's now even more so when some of the best spots are taken by guilds with little to offer.

Dont_do_drugs

He didn't say that. U can reread it. Ezpz

daemonios

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

He didn't say that. U can reread it. Ezpz

That's how I read it. The way you read it makes no sense in the context of his argument. If he'd meant what you said, he could easily have said "it's not hard for a guild to earn 300M". But then why would he even be talking about the hardships of small/medium guilds? If it weren't hard to make those numbers, those guilds would just become big guilds. Anyway, again, that's how I read it, if the OP wants to clarify he'll do it.

Dont_do_drugs

The problem is, ure not able to understand how wrong it is what he said. He said it's not hard for the big guilds to earn 300m and this is wrong t. And such wrong ideas of those actually pretty simple mathematics and Financials of this game make bids explode. There is not a single guild earning 300m on server, most likely not even 10 percent of it. A guild earns taxes. Those are 3.5 percent of all sales, which isn't 10m if a guild makes 300m sales. If ure sellers are generous u might get some millions extra as donations. So max 15 or in a really bad week where a lot of members are generous to support guild it might be 20m.this is what a big gild earns, but on normal weeks it's most likely not even 10m.

Those crap ideas, when seeing some sales numb ers are nuts. No most people do not donate th eir complete earnings, and even if they did, a lot of powersEller flip items, so even if they sell for 5, 10 or 15m a week, they are only doing a percentage of 10,20 or 40 percent win/earn a week.

I don't know who that guy was, but since most people here are gm or officers I expect them to know such stuff, else I just need to repeat again: a lot of medium and small guilds gm just don't do their homework and are too lazy for it. The exploding bids do not come from the biggies, because we handled our stuff with care and did our homework, the exploding bids, as far as I can think back of 4 years of trade guild gming experience, come from lowbob guilds which heard rumors, gossip, t-talk and just decided to believe it instead doing their researches on their own. The top guilds were running economic for years and most do even now, just the rest isn't bcs they are bidding over their abilities. It's as usual. The same old story.

daemonios

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

The problem is, ure not able to understand how wrong it is what he said. He said it's not hard for the big guilds to earn 300m and this is wrong t. And such wrong ideas of those actually pretty simple mathematics and Financials of this game make bids explode. There is not a single guild earning 300m on server, most likely not even 10 percent of it. A guild earns taxes. Those are 3.5 percent of all sales, which isn't 10m if a guild makes 300m sales. If ure sellers are generous u might get some millions extra as donations. So max 15 or in a really bad week where a lot of members are generous to support guild it might be 20m.this is what a big gild earns, but on normal weeks it's most likely not even 10m.

Those crap ideas, when seeing some sales numb ers are nuts. No most people do not donate th eir complete earnings, and even if they did, a lot of powersEller flip items, so even if they sell for 5, 10 or 15m a week, they are only doing a percentage of 10,20 or 40 percent win/earn a week.

I don't know who that guy was, but since most people here are gm or officers I expect them to know such stuff, else I just need to repeat again: a lot of medium and small guilds gm just don't do their homework and are too lazy for it. The exploding bids do not come from the biggies, because we handled our stuff with care and did our homework, the exploding bids, as far as I can think back of 4 years of trade guild gming experience, come from lowbob guilds which heard rumors, gossip, t-talk and just decided to believe it instead doing their researches on their own. The top guilds were running economic for years and most do even now, just the rest isn't bcs they are bidding over their abilities. It's as usual. The same old story.

That is not what he said, not the way I read it. The wording is ambiguous, but you insist on a reading that doesn't make sense in context. Not only that, you assume he meant 300M in income instead of 300M in sales, which is basically the least charitable interpretation you could make of his wording. Try reading as I did and see if it doesn't make more sense, even if you don't agree.

Dont_do_drugs

I read it 3 times now. Word by word. He compares his medium or small guild to some fantasy guild which earns 300m and gets depressive that he judf isn't doing it and that's why it's harder for all others. Here some serious info: we all were or are cooking with water and 6th grade mathematics.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

And such wrong ideas of those actually pretty simple mathematics and Financials of this game make bids explode.

Yup. Same as in everyday life, most people understand nuts in what they hear in the news when it comes to sales / profit margins / percentages / progression, etc. Then things get spread by rumours and made even worse.
In the context of ESO it's obvious than many people use one word for another.
What do people mean by "self-sustain" ? Taxes only ? Taxes + fees ? taxes + donations ?

I wouldn't worry too much about the currently high bids, though. There's one thing people understand even if they don't understand the rest : that's when they're out of gold. THere are currently tons of players sitting on piles of gold with pretty much nothing to spend it on, so they put it into trader bids. Once all that extra money is pumped out of the system, the "real" competition will start with real issues of sustainability, with, or without fees and donations. And bids will get down. Probably not to pre-multibidding levels, but still to a sustainable level. I mean, it has to.

marius_buys

The actual problem is that super traders try to monopolise the trading system

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

tahol10069 wrote: »

Because the one guild I'm in, a pure trading guild, is out of trader for this week because we lost the bid, and we bid more than we did before this "upgraded bidding system".

I'm sorry that you are in such a situation, and I don't deny that you're not the only one in that situation, but it's not the case for *everyone*. That's all.

Ye clearly the multi bidding system is helping the small and medium (non cartel) guilds ... NOT.

Dont_do_drugs

marius_buys wrote: »

The actual problem is that super traders try to monopolise the trading system

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

tahol10069 wrote: »

Because the one guild I'm in, a pure trading guild, is out of trader for this week because we lost the bid, and we bid more than we did before this "upgraded bidding system".

I'm sorry that you are in such a situation, and I don't deny that you're not the only one in that situation, but it's not the case for *everyone*. That's all.

Ye clearly the multi bidding system is helping the small and medium (non cartel) guilds ... NOT.

Can u specify that claim, that they, are trying? How are they doing it and how u know monopolizing is the intention behind it?

marius_buys

Some posters seem to have trouble distinguishing between a turnover of 300M and it's resultant net profit to the guild which is used for the next weeks bid? My point is that some small and medium traders are bidding more than their net sales nevermind their nett profit whilst supertraders sponsor bids via ghost guilds with almost no stock in the trader.

So when someone comments that all is fine and working as intended I will tell that person they have no idea what they are talking about and that is what I did. Blob The trader system is for everyone, not just a couple of trading cartels playing monopoly and commenting from their narrow entitled perspective. I hope you found that "insightfull"

marius_buys

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

marius_buys wrote: »

The actual problem is that super traders try to monopolise the trading system

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

tahol10069 wrote: »

Because the one guild I'm in, a pure trading guild, is out of trader for this week because we lost the bid, and we bid more than we did before this "upgraded bidding system".

I'm sorry that you are in such a situation, and I don't deny that you're not the only one in that situation, but it's not the case for *everyone*. That's all.

Ye clearly the multi bidding system is helping the small and medium (non cartel) guilds ... NOT.

Can u specify that claim, that they, are trying? How are they doing it and how u know monopolizing is the intention behind it?

So youre saying that a small guild, I say that because the trader only contained 14 items worth a total of 10K in sales by a single seller, will place a winning bid of over 2M for an outlier trader because of what reason exactly? Que bene? Who profits by such an action?

Dont_do_drugs

marius_buys wrote: »

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

marius_buys wrote: »

The actual problem is that super traders try to monopolise the trading system

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

tahol10069 wrote: »

Because the one guild I'm in, a pure trading guild, is out of trader for this week because we lost the bid, and we bid more than we did before this "upgraded bidding system".

I'm sorry that you are in such a situation, and I don't deny that you're not the only one in that situation, but it's not the case for *everyone*. That's all.

Ye clearly the multi bidding system is helping the small and medium (non cartel) guilds ... NOT.

Can u specify that claim, that they, are trying? How are they doing it and how u know monopolizing is the intention behind it?

So youre saying that a small guild, I say that because the trader only contained 14 items worth a total of 10K in sales will place a winning bid of over 2M for an outlier trader because of what reason exactly? Que bene? Who profits by such an action?

And u think any big trade guild player would be interested in an outlier trader? Not to mention that u think, putting 2m on such a trader could be a profit for anyone.

Alienoutlaw

multi bidding is hurting some of the smaller guilds FACT
large trading guilds who band together and even supply funds so ghost guilds can tie up traders are a real thing FACT
this system only serves to make the larger guilds larger
we need a global auction house or a standardised bidding system that favours smaller guilds

marius_buys

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

marius_buys wrote: »

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

marius_buys wrote: »

The actual problem is that super traders try to monopolise the trading system

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

tahol10069 wrote: »

Because the one guild I'm in, a pure trading guild, is out of trader for this week because we lost the bid, and we bid more than we did before this "upgraded bidding system".

I'm sorry that you are in such a situation, and I don't deny that you're not the only one in that situation, but it's not the case for *everyone*. That's all.

Ye clearly the multi bidding system is helping the small and medium (non cartel) guilds ... NOT.

Can u specify that claim, that they, are trying? How are they doing it and how u know monopolizing is the intention behind it?

So youre saying that a small guild, I say that because the trader only contained 14 items worth a total of 10K in sales will place a winning bid of over 2M for an outlier trader because of what reason exactly? Que bene? Who profits by such an action?

And u think any big trade guild player would be interested in an outlier trader? Not to mention that u think, putting 2m on such a trader could be a profit for anyone.

Well my example is not based on some hypothetical conjecture, its baed on actual occurence.