Remove Cast Time from Ultimates

Trian94

Remove the cast time from the ultimates you've given it to, please. It's awkward, clunky and hinders skillful gameplay consisting of good and fast responses, animation canceling and combos.
Moreover why aren't ultimates like crescent sweep, leap etc affected?

Nerhesi

They should be consistent with all "bursty" ultimates.

Heck, Soul-Assault technically had 500ms cast time because it did nothing for the first half second.

But if they build around cast time ultimates, it will be a better move. You will need to react rather than respond to something that has already happened.

Trian94

Nerhesi wrote: »

They should be consistent with all "bursty" ultimates.

Heck, Soul-Assault technically had 500ms cast time because it did nothing for the first half second.

But if they build around cast time ultimates, it will be a better move. You will need to react rather than respond to something that has already happened.

The problem is that the way the game is designed you won't have time to react anyway. It's like when someone uses incap on you on the live server without canceling it. You see the animation when it starts, you might try to block it but it has already happened to you and you get hit.

WillhelmBlack

Stop whining

jcm2606

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Stop whining

Stop whining about whining.

Gnozo

Combat feels really clunky with the cast time now. Please remove

artal

yea its horrible. please remove this, no point of having it

React

Cast time ults are a terrible idea, just like cast time damages shields. Anyone defending the change doesn't understand eso's combat system.

Trian94

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Stop whining

L2P

Vortigaunt

Trian94 wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Stop whining

L2P

He’s zerging on PC EU, nuff said

MehrunesFlagon

Liam12548 wrote: »

Cast time ults are a terrible idea, just like cast time damages shields. Anyone defending the change doesn't understand eso's combat system.

Cast times on anything are a horrible idea.

Trian94

Vortigaunt wrote: »

Trian94 wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Stop whining

L2P

He’s zerging on PC EU, nuff said

Lmao

MehrunesFlagon

Honestly it is completely beyond me what any want this.Anything with a cast time slows your movement speed to far too much, and that's on top of not being able to swap.Cast times do not belong here.

Trian94

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

Honestly it is completely beyond me what any want this.Anything with a cast time slows your movement speed to far too much, and that's on top of not being able to swap.Cast times do not belong here.

It's really awful. Totally removes the skill involved and as I explained in a comment above it doesn't make a difference because if you don't cancel the ultimates, right now on the live server, the cast times and animations are the same and you can't really proactively react to them.

Gilvoth

the cast times for ultimates on this new patch for pvp is Perfect, i hope stays.
the cast time on ultimates is good for pvp, it needs to stay. zenimax, please do not revert the changes to cast times on ultimates they are good for pvp.

Trian94

Gilvoth wrote: »

the cast times for ultimates on this new patch for pvp is Perfect, i hope stays.
the cast time on ultimates is good for pvp, it needs to stay. zenimax, please do not revert the changes to cast times on ultimates they are good for pvp.

Do you have any actual argument as to why you're supporting this bad change?

Gilvoth

Trian94 wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

the cast times for ultimates on this new patch for pvp is Perfect, i hope stays.
the cast time on ultimates is good for pvp, it needs to stay. zenimax, please do not revert the changes to cast times on ultimates they are good for pvp.

Do you have any actual argument as to why you're supporting this bad change?

oh my, it's not a bad change whatsoever, infact it will alleviate the animation canceling on ultimates we have been asking for years to have removed. it will also introduce a new method of canceling animation canceling.
there are Many threads in the hundreds of many People asking for the removal of animation canceling for YEARS.
ill just list a few ...
starting from years back to as close as last may this year ...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/257245/remove-animation-cancelling

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/231468/a-desperate-plea-for-zos-please-remove-animation-cancelling

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/391406/animation-canceling

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318000/remove-animation-canceling

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/476113/animation-cancelling-feels-horrible-and-pointless

if you need more references and links to this then simply search here on forums because it spans out around 7 pages of listings last i checked.
animation canceling was never intended, its not a feature, its an exploit that was never fixed and instead used as a means to increase damage because it could not be fixed by the previous class balance team.
that team, or atleast some of its leadership and members no longer are here.
its time for it to be removed from eso completely.
and when i say "WE"
i mean "WE" as in "Many" want it Gone and removed.

MehrunesFlagon

Trian94 wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

the cast times for ultimates on this new patch for pvp is Perfect, i hope stays.
the cast time on ultimates is good for pvp, it needs to stay. zenimax, please do not revert the changes to cast times on ultimates they are good for pvp.

Do you have any actual argument as to why you're supporting this bad change?

Yeah, I don't think too many care if it's "perfect" for pvp,when as usual it ruins things for everything else.

jhall03

I believe there are just as many, if not more, "WEs" that want to keep animation canceling. ZOS has said it's part of the game (I'm not going to look it up, but they have). There is even a loading screen tip about it.

Trian94

Gilvoth wrote: »

Trian94 wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

the cast times for ultimates on this new patch for pvp is Perfect, i hope stays.
the cast time on ultimates is good for pvp, it needs to stay. zenimax, please do not revert the changes to cast times on ultimates they are good for pvp.

Do you have any actual argument as to why you're supporting this bad change?

oh my, it's not a bad change whatsoever, infact it will alleviate the animation canceling on ultimates we have been asking for years to have removed. it will also introduce a new method of canceling animation canceling.
there are Many threads in the hundreds of many People asking for the removal of animation canceling for YEARS.
ill just list a few ...
starting from years back to as close as last may this year ...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/257245/remove-animation-cancelling

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/231468/a-desperate-plea-for-zos-please-remove-animation-cancelling

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/391406/animation-canceling

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318000/remove-animation-canceling

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/476113/animation-cancelling-feels-horrible-and-pointless

if you need more references and links to this then simply search here on forums because it spans out around 7 pages of listings last i checked.
animation canceling was never intended, its not a feature, its an exploit that was never fixed and instead used as a means to increase damage because it could not be fixed by the previous class balance team.
that team, or atleast some of its leadership and members no longer are here.
its time for it to be removed from eso completely.
and when i say "WE"
i mean "WE" as in "Many" want it Gone and removed.

Just because "you" as in "many" think it's bad doesn't mean it is. It's something that takes skill, but isn't that hard to master and it pays off when you do like most things in this game. Doesn't cause lag nor DPS increase as many claim. Just because people probably haven't tried doing it and feel that other people overpower them with it isn't a reason for it to be gone. Also ZOS has stated it's part of the game. The main issue against animation canceling is that people do it and the less knowledgeable individuals in this game assemble like the avengers and call hacks.

Scamh

Trian94 wrote: »

Vortigaunt wrote: »

Trian94 wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Stop whining

L2P

He’s zerging on PC EU, nuff said

Lmao

this thread is already worth my time

Trian94

Scamh wrote: »

Trian94 wrote: »

Vortigaunt wrote: »

Trian94 wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Stop whining

L2P

He’s zerging on PC EU, nuff said

Lmao

this thread is already worth my time

No it's not. Will is my friend in game.

Yiko

Trian94 wrote: »

Just because "you" as in "many" think it's bad doesn't mean it is. It's something that takes skill, but isn't that hard to master and it pays off when you do like most things in this game. Doesn't cause lag nor DPS increase as many claim. Just because people probably haven't tried doing it and feel that other people overpower them with it isn't a reason for it to be gone. Also ZOS has stated it's part of the game. The main issue against animation canceling is that people do it and the less knowledgeable individuals in this game assemble like the avengers and call hacks.

LOL

The anti-animation canceling cretins have crawled out of their caves again

Lucky28

Gilvoth wrote: »

Trian94 wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

the cast times for ultimates on this new patch for pvp is Perfect, i hope stays.
the cast time on ultimates is good for pvp, it needs to stay. zenimax, please do not revert the changes to cast times on ultimates they are good for pvp.

Do you have any actual argument as to why you're supporting this bad change?

oh my, it's not a bad change whatsoever, infact it will alleviate the animation canceling on ultimates we have been asking for years to have removed. it will also introduce a new method of canceling animation canceling.
there are Many threads in the hundreds of many People asking for the removal of animation canceling for YEARS.
ill just list a few ...
starting from years back to as close as last may this year ...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/257245/remove-animation-cancelling

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/231468/a-desperate-plea-for-zos-please-remove-animation-cancelling

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/391406/animation-canceling

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318000/remove-animation-canceling

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/476113/animation-cancelling-feels-horrible-and-pointless

if you need more references and links to this then simply search here on forums because it spans out around 7 pages of listings last i checked.
animation canceling was never intended, its not a feature, its an exploit that was never fixed and instead used as a means to increase damage because it could not be fixed by the previous class balance team.
that team, or atleast some of its leadership and members no longer are here.
its time for it to be removed from eso completely.
and when i say "WE"
i mean "WE" as in "Many" want it Gone and removed.

pretty sure the Devs called animation canceling a feature. regardless, i like animation canceling, i like ESO's fast paced gameplay. And MANY (yeah i can do that too) like Animation canceling and like the fast paced game play.

MehrunesFlagon

Gilvoth wrote: »

Trian94 wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

the cast times for ultimates on this new patch for pvp is Perfect, i hope stays.
the cast time on ultimates is good for pvp, it needs to stay. zenimax, please do not revert the changes to cast times on ultimates they are good for pvp.

Do you have any actual argument as to why you're supporting this bad change?

oh my, it's not a bad change whatsoever, infact it will alleviate the animation canceling on ultimates we have been asking for years to have removed. it will also introduce a new method of canceling animation canceling.
there are Many threads in the hundreds of many People asking for the removal of animation canceling for YEARS.
ill just list a few ...
starting from years back to as close as last may this year ...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/257245/remove-animation-cancelling

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/231468/a-desperate-plea-for-zos-please-remove-animation-cancelling

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/391406/animation-canceling

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318000/remove-animation-canceling

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/476113/animation-cancelling-feels-horrible-and-pointless

if you need more references and links to this then simply search here on forums because it spans out around 7 pages of listings last i checked.
animation canceling was never intended, its not a feature, its an exploit that was never fixed and instead used as a means to increase damage because it could not be fixed by the previous class balance team.
that team, or atleast some of its leadership and members no longer are here.
its time for it to be removed from eso completely.
and when i say "WE"
i mean "WE" as in "Many" want it Gone and removed.

"WE" honestly really don't prefer the head of this balance team.The head of the balance team should be heavily biased towards the pve side.

darkblue5

Casting Soul Harvest on live.

Casting Soul Harvest on PTS.

Vercingetorix

I think they should add MORE cast time to other Ultimate abilities as well. So many have clearly relied on their crutch for so long and now that it's being taken away, they are struggling. It's time to actually use Ultimate abilities in a strategic way, not as an animation-cancelled spammable.

MehrunesFlagon

Vercingetorix wrote: »

I think they should add MORE cast time to other Ultimate abilities as well. So many have clearly relied on their crutch for so long and now that it's being taken away, they are struggling. It's time to actually use Ultimate abilities in a strategic way, not as an animation-cancelled spammable.

Isn't a crutch and never was. [snip]

[edited for non-constructive/baiting comment]

Apxac

The differences on the game server we will not see in terms of evasion or protection, but this mechanics adds inconvenience, just a waste of time. Remove it.

Lucky28

Vercingetorix wrote: »

I think they should add MORE cast time to other Ultimate abilities as well. So many have clearly relied on their crutch for so long and now that it's being taken away, they are struggling. It's time to actually use Ultimate abilities in a strategic way, not as an animation-cancelled spammable.

what are you even talking about?. Animation canceling ults/abilities makes the game harder in pvp not easier. You actually have to use your brain and find patterns in players in order to effectively predict and dodge their ults as opposed to a hand holding obvious cast time.... no cast times require more strategy and observation than cast times.

JWillCHS

I think we can all agree that it's a by-product of a new developer creating their first game. And now "it's apart of the game" because they can't fix it.

Or at least someone is trying to figure out alternative solutions. The animations in ESO are not fluid and probably were never design that way. So for some, animation canceling makes the game less clunky when executing combos.

But stuff like animation canceling Elemental Weapon just shows you how unpolished the game can be. And that ability is already clunky to begin with. At the same time learning to pull it off in PvE, let alone PvP, is a definitely skill. Although a skill one shouldn't have to learning if people did their job while initially creating the game.