Update on Guild History & Related Performance Issue

Elsonso

reoskit wrote: »

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

Longer term, we’re working on changing the guild history to be more effectively queried by data being pushed to the client instead of allowing add-ons to poll the data on a whim. This work is being done now, and should be ready for testing with U23 PTS. (which is only a few weeks away!)

Did I miss it in the patch notes?

Might not be in the first PTS patch... Might not be in U23, at all. Who knows?

sylviermoone

reoskit wrote: »

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

Longer term, we’re working on changing the guild history to be more effectively queried by data being pushed to the client instead of allowing add-ons to poll the data on a whim. This work is being done now, and should be ready for testing with U23 PTS. (which is only a few weeks away!)

Did I miss it in the patch notes?

I think you'd be most likely to find this in the API changelog, which isn't yet posted.

I do truly hope that these changes will be well documented and published well in advance to give our addon developers plenty of time to work said changes into their code.

burglar

As it is the game feels a lot like a glorified store interface or chatroom, and with these performance issues what's left? The line has to be drawn somewhere, because this is just going too far, now.

The crown store since it's inception has slowly sterilized the substance of most experiences in the game; most if not all desirable content is acquired with resources obtained outside of the game. I thought at some point, maybe a year after an item is released, it would be made available as a reward from a challenging quest, while also appearing in the crown store every so often. Maybe these quest rewards would require an ESO+ subscription, which would be fine, but we don't even get the option. Instead, as an ESO+ subscriber, currency that has tangible value outside of the game is traded for a digital currency with no real value, just to buy items from a market that the currency AND content creator has control over.

Not everyone can relate, but for me there's always been the issue of being charged at the same rate as PC players for seemingly-identical content on console that is always delayed by a few weeks; seemingly because it doesn't have as many features as the PC version like, a refined UI, loadouts, twitch drops, button mapping etc.. and not once has an attempt been made to compensate or offset these differences. Console players just need to accept that they are funding the development of a PC game. That's how it feels, ZOS. Honestly, I would have just taken adding survey report locations to my in game map, rather than having to write them down, or save maps as PDFs - this is not immersive!

I will say, though, I've had a lot of good times and really enjoyed the hours I spent in game when I was able to overlook most of these issues. Oh yeah, I appreciate that ZOS gave us that summerset mansion. @ZOS_RichLambert

I'm sure that the returning players will offset the ones that are leaving, but I'm glad I didn't buy Elsweyr, and cancelling ESO+ felt kind of good. What doesn't feel good is playing a game that breeds resentment and nasty attitudes within everyone involved, myself included. Hopefully this can change at some point. Better get your act together before black desert online comes out on PS4! /s

rsantijw13

How about fixing the guild banking system. 2+ hours each day dealing with it. Since day 1 its been a problem never fixed. Please fix that. I will keep posting on every thread I see until its heard. I think a formal petition might be a good idea too. I use the banking system for many things and its beginning to wear me out. I think that would be a good idea

p00tx

So, with all due respect, performance is pretty godawful (more so than the normal levels of godawful) on console too since Guildfinder became a thing, but we don't have add-ons to blame it on. It's even difficult to play in vanilla overland while being almost unplayable in trials, dungeons, and PvP during certain times of the day.

You guys may have pinpointed one exacerbating source of the problem, but I can assure you it's much more complicated than that.

wenchmore420b14_ESO

Delparis wrote: »

hope you understand why this game went buy to play.

the issues they found out can't be fixed that's all.

Off subject, but just to clarify, ESO went B2P from required sub to appease Microsoft and Sony when Consoles were added in 2015 as they wouldn't play nice with ZoS over subscription model.

But on subject, add ons give us QoL devises that should have been base game available.

Beardimus

Many guildmates are talking about lag / crashing on Xbox. Dungeon achievements nigh on impossible, horrible lag etc n

Are we saying this problem is the problem on Console also? Guild finder?

Is there acknowledgment of the issues anywhere

DragonRacer

Console now checking in. PS4 NA seems to have been partially, at least, broken with this morning's patch. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/485383/guild-history-no-longer-updates-after-console-patch

DragonRacer

This thread is now unstickied?

therift

DragonRacer wrote: »

This thread is now unstickied?

Yeah, I noticed. Disturbing, isn't it?

DragonRacer

therift wrote: »

DragonRacer wrote: »

This thread is now unstickied?

Yeah, I noticed. Disturbing, isn't it?

On that, we can most certainly agree.

Disturbing... and vaguely alarming.

Dont_do_drugs

therift wrote: »

DragonRacer wrote: »

This thread is now unstickied?

Yeah, I noticed. Disturbing, isn't it?

no, actually everything as expected from zos. if u do not expect a lot anymore.

todokete

they tried unsticking it again? wow

DragonRacer

@reoskit @StabbityDoom

You folks seeing these unsticky shenanigans again?

reoskit

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

This work is being done now, and should be ready for testing with U23 PTS. (which is only a few weeks away!)

Unless I missed it (entirely possible), the data push hasn't been mentioned again? Granted, we're only 2 revisions in on U23 on PTS.

Then consoles report diminished guild history updating. It's currently two days post (live) patch, still no response or acknowledgment from ZOS.

Then this thread gets unpinned?

This does not bode well.


Edit: typo.

StabbityDoom

reoskit wrote: »

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

This work is being done now, and should be ready for testing with U23 PTS. (which is only a few weeks away!)

Unless I missed it (entirely possible), the data push hasn't been mentioned again? Granted, we're only 2 revisions in on U23 on PTS.

Then consoles report diminished guild history updating. It's currently two days post (live) patch, still no response or acknowledgment from ZOS.

Then this thread gets unpinned?

This does not bode well.


Edit: typo.

No, I have heard nothing further since Lambert's update.

eso_lags

Beardimus wrote: »

Many guildmates are talking about lag / crashing on Xbox. Dungeon achievements nigh on impossible, horrible lag etc n

Are we saying this problem is the problem on Console also? Guild finder?

Is there acknowledgment of the issues anywhere

Apparantly @ZOS_RichLambert thinks the game is only on PC. Since console does not have add ons im not sure how that would be effecting the god awful performance we have had here for so long. Much worse in elsweyr. Neither this post or matts help give us much information, even less for console pvp players who get the worst of it..

But in Matt firors post they mention console. Matt quotes rich talking about fixing things 6 months ago. He goes on to say they'll be making improvements in update 24 and q 1 of next year. So basically over a year after rich's end of the year message. Come on guys you expect us to deal with performance issues like that for a year? And whats worse is that its been going on for much longer than the day rich made that message, at least on console.. Its been actual years.

And even still i think the only mention of console was: "lower-spec PCs, base Xbox, and base PS4, but overall everyone should notice better stability and performance" so im not sure what that means for those of us with newer consoles and good PCs. Im skeptical that this will be the root of the issue.

In the end it looks like we will be dealing with this BS for a while. I have multiple characters that can barely play. My necromancer, oddly enough, seems to get less performance issues. But my main stam sorc is in the gutter. Ive never had performance issues vary based on the character I was playing, but this is now a thing in elsweyr. Ive confirmed it with multiple other people.

And please re pin this.

therift

I wish I had a link to the letter of 'Interesting Facts' published by ZoS awhile back... about the time of the Summerfall Event (earn the Psijiic pet, mount, villa).

One of the Interesting Facts was that the populations of active accounts were about evenly divided betwee PC/Mac, PS4, and Xbox.

In other words... 67% of the active player base is currently affected by the unannounced/unexplained change to updating Guild History.

thermatico

Unstickied and went completely dark on the whole thing, this is completely unlike ZOS.

Hope you all are good with Sarcasm.

todokete

What's going on here

Elsonso

thermatico wrote: »

Unstickied and went completely dark on the whole thing, this is completely unlike ZOS.

Hope you all are good with Sarcasm.

Broom. Rug. Problem solved?

reoskit

Please repin this issue and address/acknowledge the console guild history issues that are currently ongoing.

StabbityDoom

reoskit wrote: »

Please repin this issue and address/acknowledge the console guild history issues that are currently ongoing.

Seconded.

DragonRacer

Thirded.

@ZOS_RogerJ Was this unstickied by accident, perchance?

Gandrhulf_Harbard

DragonRacer wrote: »

Thirded.

@ZOS_RogerJ Was this unstickied by accident, perchance?

It was unstickied so it drops of the first page.

Once it does that it will drop of some players' radar.

Then ZoS can kick it into the long grass and not actually have to do anything about it.


All The Best

todokete

up

Tavore1138

well we eventually stopped tagging the cheat engine thread when they dropped it without a solution - so i guess they plan to just wear us down again.

seriously check their board members out - any signs of quality are probably fake news.

TheHsN

They are not going to be able to fix PERFORMANCE ISSUE... That is the FACT...

I left saying lies to my self...

DragonRacer

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

DragonRacer wrote: »

Thirded.

@ZOS_RogerJ Was this unstickied by accident, perchance?

It was unstickied so it drops of the first page.

Once it does that it will drop of some players' radar.

Then ZoS can kick it into the long grass and not actually have to do anything about it.


All The Best

Oh, I know all too well what they're trying to do here.

I am just attempting to fight the good fight in my way, as I can.

wavingblue

So someone high up at ZOS, whether it be community manager or dev took the time to unsticky this thread. Well that's good.. because I took the time to cancel my subscription. Now you have to earn me back.