No history = crippled trade guilds

girlpoison

Ardan147 wrote: »

If ZOS decides that they are going to cancel MM and ATT, then I am going to very seriously consider canceling my ESO+ subscription.

One member of my guild already has. He’s giving it til the end of the subscription and then leaving if the state of the game remains this way. More will come to follow the longer it takes to get some answers and a true fix to our problems, instead of flimsy bandaids.

freespirit

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Are guild traders really the only reason for why you play ESO? Really? It's such a crappy system, though.

Guild traders and trading are not the only reason I play ESO, of course. But a global auction house would (logically) mean the end of trading guilds and trading guilds are a wonderful source of nice socializing in this game. You find people there who are nice, who chat, and play, without all the "build advice", the "L2P", the "epeen-measuring", etc. It's much more open and relaxed in mentality than traditional "social" guilds, and in the end there are far more events and happenings in trading guilds than anywhere else, without all the obligations attached.
Without trading guilds, there's no satisfactory mean of socializing for me in ESO. And if I'm not socializing, then there are single player games I like better than ESO.

Also, thanks to the guild trader system and to the trading guilds, there's more to trading in ESO than just getting rid of stuff and piling up gold. It's nice to be part of a micro-community that faces up a challenge every week (the trader bid) and to be part of the common goal of keeping it in the best possible spots.

@anitajoneb17_ESO Perfectly worded!!

I would not add anything, except to say I belong to four trade guilds, my fifth guild being my own and started on 30/03/14 so I'm rather attached to it

All four of my trade guilds are soooo much more than that and I don't think some people realise how much time is potentially taken up by "book keeping".

Disabling the functions that make keeping the books straight slightly easier also has the potential knock on effect of giving our wonderful guild leaders less time to organise the fun and often silly events we currently enjoy...….

Instead of all the bickering, lets just get our heads down and support our guilds in anyway we can until this is resolved!

StabbityDoom

If MM is out, so am I. I have heard many others say the same. The thing I love most about the game is trading.

Jamdarius

ZOS_RyanM wrote: »

We have removed some comments from this thread that were inappropriate. Please keep your posts civil and constructive. I can understand being upset but that does not justify violating the Forum Rules.

That is the only thing that you guys never fail to do for us, good job mods for keeping the forums nice and clean LOL



And back on topic, due to ZOS actions I finally figured it out - they are amazing in certain aspects, I mean they never fail to bring us misfortune especially on PC EU.

magikarper

StabbityDoom wrote: »

If MM is out, so am I. I have heard many others say the same. The thing I love most about the game is trading.

Ditto.

Ardan147

Seriously, ZOS, what is wrong with you. This isn't at all funny anymore.

Wulfespirit

It's so insane it's almost humorous. How long have the people at zenimax watch the number's rise and congratulated themselves on how they're killing it only to come to a point where they can't even handle allowing addons to query guild history anymore.

Cyrodil is a lagfest.
Guild traders regularly lag up and time out during primetime.
All manners of queuing systems are an utter joke.

And now very popular addons cant even access rather simple api functionality.

You all had an opportunity .. a golden window.. to make ESO the king of MMOs. And you're going to watch it all slip away due to raw failures by the team to take any effective and proactive look at scalability .. over the last year.. or two.. or three.

I would say I hope there is much shame being felt by those involved, but I'm not convinced they're capable of feeling it.

JKorr

A little more information might help just a little. @ZOS_GinaBruno

Jimmy

I just deposited 10 million gold in my guild bank for my weekly raffle and there is no record of it. I need a refund. Thank you.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Jimmy wrote: »

I just deposited 10 million gold in my guild bank for my weekly raffle and there is no record of it. I need a refund. Thank you.

This is exactly the kind of "joke" that GMs will have to deal with... they don't deserve this.
If your "joke" is on ZOS... do you think they care... ? .. ???

jircris11

Czekoludek wrote: »

How it is possible that you can broke something with EVERY patch? Please, hire real testers. Or you will "killing it" to much

You can test in house until you're blue in the face and still break stuff when it hits live servers. People dont seem to understand that in house servers only have maybe 30 ppl testing vs live where there are millions of variables that can't exist in house due to the player base size.

Gilvoth

add-ons need to be disabled Permanently and removed from eso!
myself and many others of the eso communtiy "hate" the addons and hate they are even allowed in eso.
in single player games addons are awesome and really fun and joy, but not in an MMO they are completely an open door for cheating and its been proven that with miats addon, and many others, that the ability to cheat does exist and is even still being used in eso.

heres some proof
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/360442/miat-addon

and
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/387011/miats-zeni-can-i-have-new-skills-please/p1

and
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/397179/why-wont-miats-addon-die

and
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/308971/miats-pvp-alerts-addon/p1

Ackwalan

JKorr wrote: »

A little more information might help just a little. @ZOS_G

Looks like we will have to wait till Monday.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6131840#Comment_6131840

FlopsyPrince

It would have been patched with an emergency patch if it had benefited users. That is how these things work, regardless of the company making the MMO.

Thrawniel

All those people arguing against having centralized trade place are now crying over addon that serves same function of homogenizing prices as any AH would.

If you cannot do the trading without those addons - it only means that base ingame system is deeply flawed, if not outright broken.

Pevey

Gilvoth wrote: »

add-ons need to be disabled Permanently and removed from eso!
myself and many others of the eso communtiy "hate" the addons and hate they are even allowed in eso.
in single player games addons are awesome and really fun and joy, but not in an MMO they are completely an open door for cheating and its been proven that with miats addon, and many others, that the ability to cheat does exist and is even still being used in eso.

heres some proof
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/360442/miat-addon

and
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/387011/miats-zeni-can-i-have-new-skills-please/p1

and
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/397179/why-wont-miats-addon-die

and
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/308971/miats-pvp-alerts-addon/p1

These links are irrelevant. They are all about Miat’s, not the addons that read guild history and thus provide basic and essential function to the game.

Post a link about an addon actually under discussion in this thread, and then someone might take you seriously.

arena25

This thread went about as expected....

Folks, while I know that having guild histories and trading addons offline are no fun for anyone (and as someone who has come to rely on multiple trade guilds to have traders to not only supplement my income of gold, but also to get rid of excess stuff, I share the pain of everyone), we all need to be patient. I am told that a full fix is planned for Monday's incremental patch. TTC's addon developers also are deploying fixes of their own to try and workaround the problem til Monday (not sure about MM, though).

Until then, everyone needs to cool their jets. The last thing any of us want is to engage in flamewars (which apparently has been present multiple times in this thread alone), because that's a quick way to get our forum privileges revoked...

agegarton

ZOS_RyanM wrote: »

We have removed some comments from this thread that were inappropriate. Please keep your posts civil and constructive. I can understand being upset but that does not justify violating the Forum Rules.

Just so you know, I read this as"we do not care that our game is permanently broken (in new and interesting ways) or that you guys are actually paying for it, but if you would please not be rude about us in public, we'd really appreciate it".

How's that for "on topic"?

Maybe a bit more fixy-fixy, and a bit less posty-deletey ??

wavingblue

girlpoison wrote: »

Ardan147 wrote: »

If ZOS decides that they are going to cancel MM and ATT, then I am going to very seriously consider canceling my ESO+ subscription.

One member of my guild already has. He’s giving it til the end of the subscription and then leaving if the state of the game remains this way. More will come to follow the longer it takes to get some answers and a true fix to our problems, instead of flimsy bandaids.

I'm in this boat also.

Wulfespirit

arena25 wrote: »

I am told that a full fix is planned for Monday's incremental patch. TTC's addon developers also are deploying fixes of their own to try and workaround the problem til Monday (not sure about MM, though).

Actually they were quite clear in saying another stop gap was being put in - no addon access to guild history - only in game access.

GarnetFire17

hope0burns wrote: »

Hopefully this is one of the first steps in killing trade guilds and the trade system as it is and replacing it with a mega-server wide global trade system. No more ridiculous "raffles," no more "dues," no more need for addons to try to figure out where you can find something you're looking for.

Though, I'll be the first to admit that is super unlikely. This seems like something that wasn't intentional and will eventually get fixed so things can go back to normal for everyone. That's generally ok, though. I've had excellent luck selling and buying via Nirn Auction House without dues, raffles, or any other silliness like that so even if that doesn't change I'll be able to continue being an independant dealer. It's nice to be beholden only to myself without the worries of essentially having yet another job, but this one in a game world. Worries like having to meet quotas or getting kicked from an organization I contributed to due to inactivity caused by my interests temporarily shifting and I started playing a new release or some other game for while or something similar.

I respect your opinion but a lot of people in the game don't feel the same way. It sounds like you found a guild that is right for you. That just shows the system works. You don't like the quotas and dues some people don't mind them and want to contribute as part of team and be in better locations. The only guilds that should have dues or quotas are ones that have a good trader location that. Unless they are really the highest locations in the game, the dues should be low in my opinion. Allowing inactive members to take up a spot in a guild in the guild without selling their things like they were invited to do or contributing to the guild is not fair to other players in the game that would like to actually take advantage of the opportunity. Some guilds work very hard every week to afford those locations. They don't ask much, just to do what everyone is supposed to be doing in the guild and use the store to small degree regularly. If That is too much for you there are plenty of other guilds for people that don't care about sales quotas or dues or just don't want to be bothered to enforce them. Their locations are not as good but your stuff will still sell there if people actually want what you are selling. TTC helps in that department.

I don't think this will be allowed to drag on. ZOS can flip the switch and turn the histories back on whenever they want. If this what they are trying to do to fix the guild finder problems then they have my blessing. They know the guilds need to have their guild histories to see bank activity. That is a security problem. But there are ways to operate without the bank histories in the meantime. There are addons that track mails so you can do raffles with spreadsheets. You can do fundraising events. You can't really enforce the quotas or dues but that is just a time to enjoy a nice break from that.

wavingblue

Its too bad this didn't affect the crown store, it would be fixed immediately instead of a "fix" being deployed on a weekly basis.

reoskit

arena25 wrote: »

I am told that a full fix is planned for Monday's incremental patch. TTC's addon developers also are deploying fixes of their own to try and workaround the problem til Monday (not sure about MM, though).

Told by whom? There is no "full fix" planned. Gina's update clearly states that addons will still not have access to guild history. No amount of addon fixes can force an API to do things it no longer does.

As I understand it, TTC reads through the pages of guild listings. This is not the same dataset as MM, which uses the sales history, which stored in the guild history.

arena25

Wulfespirit wrote: »

arena25 wrote: »

I am told that a full fix is planned for Monday's incremental patch. TTC's addon developers also are deploying fixes of their own to try and workaround the problem til Monday (not sure about MM, though).

Actually they were quite clear in saying another stop gap was being put in - no addon access to guild history - only in game access.

Thank you for the clarification.

Either way, whether it's a full fix or another temporary stopgap until addons and guild histories can be fully fixed, there is absolutely no reason for people to be rude (which being rude and unwelcoming, especially towards moderators who have nothing to do with this fix, is a fast way to get forum privileges revoked). I am also affected by this (as a member of multiple trade guilds), and I'm sure many others are affected as well. But that doesn't mean it's time to be rude and unwelcoming, cos that's a fast way to get your forum access revoked.

agegarton wrote: »

ZOS_RyanM wrote: »

We have removed some comments from this thread that were inappropriate. Please keep your posts civil and constructive. I can understand being upset but that does not justify violating the Forum Rules.

Just so you know, I read this as"we do not care that our game is permanently broken (in new and interesting ways) or that you guys are actually paying for it, but if you would please not be rude about us in public, we'd really appreciate it".

How's that for "on topic"?

Maybe a bit more fixy-fixy, and a bit less posty-deletey ??

You are aware moderators are going to delete this, too? And you are aware moderators and game techs are two completely separate teams, right?

Ackwalan

arena25 wrote: »

Wulfespirit wrote: »

arena25 wrote: »

I am told that a full fix is planned for Monday's incremental patch. TTC's addon developers also are deploying fixes of their own to try and workaround the problem til Monday (not sure about MM, though).

Actually they were quite clear in saying another stop gap was being put in - no addon access to guild history - only in game access.

Thank you for the clarification.

Either way, whether it's a full fix or another temporary stopgap until addons and guild histories can be fully fixed, there is absolutely no reason for people to be rude (which being rude and unwelcoming, especially towards moderators who have nothing to do with this fix, is a fast way to get forum privileges revoked). I am also affected by this (as a member of multiple trade guilds), and I'm sure many others are affected as well. But that doesn't mean it's time to be rude and unwelcoming, cos that's a fast way to get your forum access revoked.

agegarton wrote: »

ZOS_RyanM wrote: »

We have removed some comments from this thread that were inappropriate. Please keep your posts civil and constructive. I can understand being upset but that does not justify violating the Forum Rules.

Just so you know, I read this as"we do not care that our game is permanently broken (in new and interesting ways) or that you guys are actually paying for it, but if you would please not be rude about us in public, we'd really appreciate it".

How's that for "on topic"?

Maybe a bit more fixy-fixy, and a bit less posty-deletey ??

You are aware moderators are going to delete this, too? And you are aware moderators and game techs are two completely separate teams, right?

That's part of the problem. They both get the same forum tag, and when people see it and expect a real answer only to get a play nice post, they get sour.

agegarton

arena25 wrote: »

Wulfespirit wrote: »

arena25 wrote: »

I am told that a full fix is planned for Monday's incremental patch. TTC's addon developers also are deploying fixes of their own to try and workaround the problem til Monday (not sure about MM, though).

Actually they were quite clear in saying another stop gap was being put in - no addon access to guild history - only in game access.

Thank you for the clarification.

Either way, whether it's a full fix or another temporary stopgap until addons and guild histories can be fully fixed, there is absolutely no reason for people to be rude (which being rude and unwelcoming, especially towards moderators who have nothing to do with this fix, is a fast way to get forum privileges revoked). I am also affected by this (as a member of multiple trade guilds), and I'm sure many others are affected as well. But that doesn't mean it's time to be rude and unwelcoming, cos that's a fast way to get your forum access revoked.

agegarton wrote: »

ZOS_RyanM wrote: »

We have removed some comments from this thread that were inappropriate. Please keep your posts civil and constructive. I can understand being upset but that does not justify violating the Forum Rules.

Just so you know, I read this as"we do not care that our game is permanently broken (in new and interesting ways) or that you guys are actually paying for it, but if you would please not be rude about us in public, we'd really appreciate it".

How's that for "on topic"?

Maybe a bit more fixy-fixy, and a bit less posty-deletey ??

You are aware moderators are going to delete this, too? And you are aware moderators and game techs are two completely separate teams, right?

I am painfully aware, but as they don't respond to tickets, don't have any plan to communicate effectively with the community, don't deliver on promises (especially as they relate to improving communication), I felt like venting a bit. I guess I just find it a bit ironic that they will jump to delete a post that fails to comply with their ridiculous rule set, yet are almost as ridiculously slow in fixing the problems they seem to create with every patch.

VaranisArano

Thrawniel wrote: »

All those people arguing against having centralized trade place are now crying over addon that serves same function of homogenizing prices as any AH would.

If you cannot do the trading without those addons - it only means that base ingame system is deeply flawed, if not outright broken.

A. You know that MM only does info from your 5 guilds, right? That's a lot more limited than a global auction house. (TTC is a whole 'nother story, and I'd be fine if that went away.)

B. You can do trading just fine without add-ons. Console, anyone? Its just more time-consuming to do your own price checks, not broken.

arena25

Ackwalan wrote: »

arena25 wrote: »

Wulfespirit wrote: »

arena25 wrote: »

I am told that a full fix is planned for Monday's incremental patch. TTC's addon developers also are deploying fixes of their own to try and workaround the problem til Monday (not sure about MM, though).

Actually they were quite clear in saying another stop gap was being put in - no addon access to guild history - only in game access.

Thank you for the clarification.

Either way, whether it's a full fix or another temporary stopgap until addons and guild histories can be fully fixed, there is absolutely no reason for people to be rude (which being rude and unwelcoming, especially towards moderators who have nothing to do with this fix, is a fast way to get forum privileges revoked). I am also affected by this (as a member of multiple trade guilds), and I'm sure many others are affected as well. But that doesn't mean it's time to be rude and unwelcoming, cos that's a fast way to get your forum access revoked.

agegarton wrote: »

ZOS_RyanM wrote: »

We have removed some comments from this thread that were inappropriate. Please keep your posts civil and constructive. I can understand being upset but that does not justify violating the Forum Rules.

Just so you know, I read this as"we do not care that our game is permanently broken (in new and interesting ways) or that you guys are actually paying for it, but if you would please not be rude about us in public, we'd really appreciate it".

How's that for "on topic"?

Maybe a bit more fixy-fixy, and a bit less posty-deletey ??

You are aware moderators are going to delete this, too? And you are aware moderators and game techs are two completely separate teams, right?

That's part of the problem. They both get the same forum tag, and when people see it and expect a real answer only to get a play nice post, they get sour.

Right under the username it will list whether they are a mod or a game tech. It's small, but the difference is there.

Regardless, we all need to be patient...I know it's frustrating for all parties (addon developers, Zeni, and us players), and I doubt Zeni is going to just sit around and do nothing, especially since it affects a lot of guilds (not just trading guilds). But if I were displaying the snarky/toxic behavior that some folks were displaying in this thread while I'm at work, I would probably be fired without barely a second thought. Even if I am one of the best workers on the force at the moment.

So let's all take a chill pill before some of us get out forum access restricted.

Ackwalan

arena25 wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

arena25 wrote: »

Wulfespirit wrote: »

arena25 wrote: »

I am told that a full fix is planned for Monday's incremental patch. TTC's addon developers also are deploying fixes of their own to try and workaround the problem til Monday (not sure about MM, though).

Actually they were quite clear in saying another stop gap was being put in - no addon access to guild history - only in game access.

Thank you for the clarification.

Either way, whether it's a full fix or another temporary stopgap until addons and guild histories can be fully fixed, there is absolutely no reason for people to be rude (which being rude and unwelcoming, especially towards moderators who have nothing to do with this fix, is a fast way to get forum privileges revoked). I am also affected by this (as a member of multiple trade guilds), and I'm sure many others are affected as well. But that doesn't mean it's time to be rude and unwelcoming, cos that's a fast way to get your forum access revoked.

agegarton wrote: »

ZOS_RyanM wrote: »

We have removed some comments from this thread that were inappropriate. Please keep your posts civil and constructive. I can understand being upset but that does not justify violating the Forum Rules.

Just so you know, I read this as"we do not care that our game is permanently broken (in new and interesting ways) or that you guys are actually paying for it, but if you would please not be rude about us in public, we'd really appreciate it".

How's that for "on topic"?

Maybe a bit more fixy-fixy, and a bit less posty-deletey ??

You are aware moderators are going to delete this, too? And you are aware moderators and game techs are two completely separate teams, right?

That's part of the problem. They both get the same forum tag, and when people see it and expect a real answer only to get a play nice post, they get sour.

Right under the username it will list whether they are a mod or a game tech. It's small, but the difference is there.

Regardless, we all need to be patient...I know it's frustrating for all parties (addon developers, Zeni, and us players), and I doubt Zeni is going to just sit around and do nothing, especially since it affects a lot of guilds (not just trading guilds). But if I were displaying the snarky/toxic behavior that some folks were displaying in this thread while I'm at work, I would probably be fired without barely a second thought. Even if I am one of the best workers on the force at the moment.

So let's all take a chill pill before some of us get out forum access restricted.

On the main page all you see is the Z on the thread title, showing that a response was made.

Pevey

One thing I have found through life experience and dealing with many clients is that the absolute best way to make someone less angry about something is to tell them to “calm down.”
/sarcasm