You think that Bethesda paid the people in the audience to cheer?

JumpmanLane

I unno. Didn’t seem genuine lmao. Who’d cheer for a cinematic if they’d already played any of Elsweyr.

WHO would cheer for adding NPcs to Fallout 76. Don’t get me wrong I LOVE Fallout and in like 3 years I might even play 76 but com’on I watched that E3 thang. Seemed a bit staged to me. Just saying.

VeryEvilPuma

Not Bethesda, but ZOS. They’ve spent all of their money apparently. And now they can’t pay enough developers to fix ESO.

RANKK7

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised.

Michae

I don't know about being paid part but the cheering was indeed weird, especially for Blades and F76 where we were lied to so many times. And I mean really, people cheered for basic things, like NPCs, being added to F76? People will cheer for anything these days.

red_emu

Well this is one insulting thread! Get a life people and take off that tin foil hat!

andreasv

Michae wrote: »

I don't know about being paid part but the cheering was indeed weird, especially for Blades and F76 where we were lied to so many times. And I mean really, people cheered for basic things, like NPCs, being added to F76? People will cheer for anything these days.

Getting human NPCs in this game is a huge thing and was one of the biggest complaints since launch. That should get some applause, but I agree it shouldn't get such a level of ecstatic reception.
Blades and that new mobile game; I'm worried if the level of cheering is a sign of what games receive the most attention from studios in the future.

Cążki

Of course they are paid or at least they accure kind of beneficial of it. But this is natural marketing strategy.

Joxer61

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Joxer61 wrote: »

They weren't employees...Xynode was amongst them as was a few other streamers...sheesh people, someone else actually had a good time and liked what they saw.
Not everything is a dang conspiracy!

they liked the grindy mobile games no one asked for? the new ips they didn't show any gameplay for? the big old ip's they didnt show any gameplay for? the br for fallout 76 (rofl)?

I am sure that at some stage people have cheered for you so proof that anything is possible.

Elsonso

TheNightflame wrote: »

I loved @ZOS_Finn 's shout when the dungeon dlc was announced sorry for tagging you so much, frost vault was a masterpiece. it and bloodroot forge (at the time of release) are probably my two favourite dungeons. FV hardmode is one of my favourite hardmodes too

@ZOS_Finn was funny, looking back. I will say that I did not notice it when watching live, but I think there was a point where Firor wanted to him to stop, and was going to say so on stage. I have to wonder whether Finn was also heckling Firor. Good naturedly, of course.

JumpmanLane wrote: »

WHO would cheer for adding NPcs to Fallout 76. Don’t get me wrong I LOVE Fallout and in like 3 years I might even play 76 but com’on I watched that E3 thang. Seemed a bit staged to me. Just saying.

NPCs in FO76 is a major change for them. Having no NPCs was a cost saving measure (time and money) , but they turned it into a focal point. Rewinding this is major news. It is like they are fixing the game. Or finishing it the way it should have been.

No NPCs was a big part of why I did not buy FO76.

Camatoo

Im not sure they where paid, but you could see in the stream that some people where not even smiling when they annouced stuff.
If im correct, there wasnt even an excuse for the mess Fallout 76 has become.
They said, they made mistakes and see them, but still the game is basiacally dead, unless they use a complete differnt engine.

They lost me completely when they annouced the Battle royal mode for Fallout 76...yeah good luck with that while the game is basically one giant bug.
besides that, announcing a battle royal mode is the second worst thing you could do, right after the "dont you have phones" suicide blizz made. It just shows that you no new ideas and copy the most popular gamemode you could find.

DOOM eternal was the only game that was interesting, beside the ESO trailer.
Other than that, the performace was mediocare at most.
I couldnt understand the cheering people for EVERY game. Even a *** mobile game that had no context with Elder Scrolls/DOOM or even wolfenstein.

maybe drunk, maybe paid.

I was more hyped from Cyberpunk 2077, even without Reeves on stage, but after he appeared, i knew i basically will buy the game at once

LordTareq

I'm not criticizing the Bethesda event until I've received my leopard mount. But the audience was really excited...

Benzux

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Seriously though, this thread is a joke. I guess it's just really hard for some people to understand that there are lots of people out there who genuinely like these games, and would cheer them on. I didn't get to watch BE3 live, but it seemed pretty cool. I might actually pick up FO76 now, and the new Legends stuff looked cool too. And now that Blades is coming to Switch, I'll definitely start playing it again.
I also know from Twitter that Elder Memes was there, cheering his heart out, and he definitely wasn't being paid to do it. ESO has an awesome community, if you ignore the people who complain on the forums with their tin foil hats on too tight.

Elsonso

Camatoo wrote: »

Im not sure they where paid, but you could see in the stream that some people where not even smiling when they annouced stuff.

Diverse audience. Most of the stuff they present at BE3 is "meh" for me. I don't play those games. Don't play Doom. Don't play Prey. Thought the Wolfenstein franchise was already tapped bone dry. Don't play FO76. Don't play Blades. Not interested in mobile games.

LordTareq wrote: »

I'm not criticizing the Bethesda event until I've received my leopard mount. But the audience was really excited...

I noticed during the stream that Todd was struggling on stage. The audience was waiting for something else, and Todd was not delivering. This sort of continued on for a while, to the point where I commented that the audience seemed rather cool to what was happening. Some interest, yes, but not like last year. Then Firor came out and I realized that a lot of the audience was made up of Elder Scrolls and ESO players. (edit: compared to Doom, Fallout, etc) Yeah, Todd blew off TES6, and that was what a lot of people were there for, but hopefully, Firor did not disappoint with ESO.

(I was not impressed by the ESO presentation, but then I consider ESO and ZOS to be the *** step child over at Bethesda, and any time they allow ZOS to talk about ESO, even if just for a few minutes, is a good thing)

Michae

andreasv wrote: »

Michae wrote: »

I don't know about being paid part but the cheering was indeed weird, especially for Blades and F76 where we were lied to so many times. And I mean really, people cheered for basic things, like NPCs, being added to F76? People will cheer for anything these days.

Getting human NPCs in this game is a huge thing and was one of the biggest complaints since launch. That should get some applause, but I agree it shouldn't get such a level of ecstatic reception.
Blades and that new mobile game; I'm worried if the level of cheering is a sign of what games receive the most attention from studios in the future.

Too little to late, at least in my book. F76 was and is hot garbage and giving it basic things like NPCs a year after it's launch doesn't deserve cheers but one big "Well, duh!". The people who preordered it or bought it on release have every right to feel ripped off and fixing what shouldn't even be broken in the first place is not applause worthy when we're talking about multi million dollar company. Todd Howard outright lied about what the game was like before it's release and now tries to be humble and claims that this was the plan all along. So yes, I'm not really surprised that people cheered, as people on the public events will cheer to anything, but I don't thing this cheering was well deserved.

I hope I didn't come off as angry, I'm not. I just hope for more from a company that made games that were a big part of my life growing up.

PS. Oh, and same goes for Blades. Todd said it's supposed to be a pure Elder Scrolls experience and what we got is a Free 2 Wait game where you open garbage chests by waiting for few hours, or you can pay up for opening them right now or buying gold stuff. Waiting is not a gameplay feature and this kind of game isn't made to be fun but to pressure people into coughing money. I'd gladly pay full price for a proper mobile TES, don't get me wrong, but this thing that we got doesn't look like fun and because of that it gets no cheers from me.

tgrippa

To be fair, Fallout 76 is now a much better game then at release, and is currently performing much better and appears more bug free than ESO.

Speaking from experience and being completely objective.

ArchMikem

jcaceresw wrote: »

I saw Gina Bruno in the first line cheering on the presentations. I guess Bethesda is trying to cover up for the mess they did with Fallout 76 making a loud cheering like nothing happened.

Bethesda Games and Zenimax Online are two different studios, Gina has no reason to be forced to cheer for F76.

redlink1979

Employees maybe... lol

Michae

tgrippa wrote: »

To be fair, Fallout 76 is now a much better game then at release, and is currently performing much better and appears more bug free than ESO.

Speaking from experience and being completely objective.

Heh, maybe it is better, but it's still not good. And we should at least expect for our games to function properly on release. F76 is still broken, ugly and barren. It's a great shame that they released it in this state and expected to get away with this. Bethesda isn't some indie developer that got overwhelmed by the amount of publicity they got (like for example No Man's Sky devs), no, they are experienced, acclaimed and beloved company that should hold itself to some standards.

Numerikuu

tgrippa wrote: »

To be fair, Fallout 76 is now a much better game then at release, and is currently performing much better and appears more bug free than ESO.

Speaking from experience and being completely objective.

Doesn't matter. Many--myself included--wouldn't touch that game with a 100ft pole. It's about principle. I don't want to support a game, nor company, that thinks it's ok to literally scam it's customers several times, and thinks it's ok to release a game in such an awful, unfinished, broken state. But it's ok, because 'Road Map'. Even No Man's Sky wasn't as much of a clusterf as 76's release was. That should say a ton right there.

I fear for TES6 if that's how they want to handle their games and treat their customers from here on out.

P.S: I was even more done with Todd when he said in an IGN interview recently that the Metascore doesn't matter. Oh really? Is that so? Then why did you almost ruin Obsidian for their Metacritic score for Fallout New Vegas? Disgusting.

Strider__Roshin

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

There were only a couple devs toward the front, and there happened to be a lot of ESO fans who were genuinely excited, and nobody was paid.

Source: I was there.

So how about that Commander Keen? Plan on getting it? Lol

tgrippa

Well, I personally play FO76 and although it needs more content, it is an objective fact that it now has a lot more content with more on the horizon and is no longer “full of bugs”.

It is also completely fair to say that currently the FO76 servers are performing better and more reliably than ESO’s.

Not really anything to argue about, unless you want to argue that you dislike the game, which is a completely subjective view and therefore a moot point not worth arguing about.

And yes, I completely agree that it was released much too early. It should have been released in the condition that it is in now.

xxthir13enxx

No...not paid...no need...people have a natural need to participate at events and feel obligated to perform accordingly...so when given a trigger to get excited...they do so...

Along with a few staffers in crowd to get the buzz going and.....Yaaaaay!!!!Woohooo!!!!

Michae

tgrippa wrote: »

Well, I personally play FO76 and although it needs more content, it is an objective fact that it now has a lot more content with more on the horizon and is no longer “full of bugs”.

It is also completely fair to say that currently the FO76 servers are performing better and more reliably than ESO’s.

Not really anything to argue about, unless you want to argue that you dislike the game, which is a completely subjective view and therefore a moot point not worth arguing about.

And yes, I completely agree that it was released much too early. It should have been released in the condition that it is in now.

Nah, I just argued that making the game functional a year after release isn't applause worthy. I'll probably boot it up again in the future to see what they added but we just shouldn't go along with practices like this. So in essence I said there shouldn't be any cheering at the presentation, but unfortunately there was.

tgrippa

Michae wrote: »

tgrippa wrote: »

Well, I personally play FO76 and although it needs more content, it is an objective fact that it now has a lot more content with more on the horizon and is no longer “full of bugs”.

It is also completely fair to say that currently the FO76 servers are performing better and more reliably than ESO’s.

Not really anything to argue about, unless you want to argue that you dislike the game, which is a completely subjective view and therefore a moot point not worth arguing about.

And yes, I completely agree that it was released much too early. It should have been released in the condition that it is in now.

Nah, I just argued that making the game functional a year after release isn't applause worthy. I'll probably boot it up again in the future to see what they added but we just shouldn't go along with practices like this. So in essence I said there shouldn't be any cheering at the presentation, but unfortunately there was.

I agree with you on all of that. What I find most interesting is that server performance in FO76 improved whilst on ESO the PC EU server has just got worse and worse. Maybe ZOS needs to see FO76-style rage from fans to get a quick and clear improvement.

illusiouk

I thought it was cringe worthy and in the twitch rooms I was in many thought as well.
The only thing I got from their whole presentation was, I may give F076 another try when wastelanders dlc/expan comes out
I was pleased when that was announced but that was short lived when they annouced the battle royale after it.

I also think the reason why F076 performance seems to be better is because less people play it. Though for ESO it is the direct opposite, it is getting worse in terms of server performance because it needs to be adpated to the increased population. ESO atm imo is the best mmo out just now.

Neoauspex

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

There were only a couple devs toward the front, and there happened to be a lot of ESO fans who were genuinely excited, and nobody was paid.

Source: I was there.

But then this happened:

https://ogn.theonion.com/e3-attendees-flee-in-terror-after-bethesda-presentation-1835376911?utm_medium=sharefromsite&utm_source=theonion_copy&utm_campaign=top

Fleshreaper

Coggage wrote: »

Several times I noted that the same people, wearing strangely similar black tshirts and trousers, led the "spontaneous" cheers. The rictus of terror and nervous giggles of the people who were shunted out to deliver their carefully scripted "informal chat" (including the curses meant to make them look cool and edgy) made their performances cringeworthy. I felt sorry for them being made to do it. All in all it all seemed surprisingly amateur and actually said very little of note, most of it being inane chat and so-what videos.

These people are game developers for crying out loud. They are professional NERDS at the top level of the industry (not that there is anything wrong with that, I am making a point here), these people are not the type of people that are generally comfortable speaking in front of large crowds. That takes a very rare skill set, that most people do not have. So, yes, they were naturally nervous and uncomfortable.

EQBallzz

Everything is fake now. Instead of showing any content they should have just showed spinning loot boxes and microtransaction currency on the screen because that's what people were cheering for in essence. Bethesda is a shell of it's former self IMO and it's sort of sad.

Elsonso

EQBallzz wrote: »

Everything is fake now. Instead of showing any content they should have just showed spinning loot boxes and microtransaction currency on the screen because that's what people were cheering for in essence. Bethesda is a shell of it's former self IMO and it's sort of sad.

They did bandy about that word "free" a lot. I am not sure that word means what they think it means.

merevie

Devels work hard on their products and it was their moment to stop an appreciate that work.
While we're not thrilled with the lack of investment to fix core game issues or may not like the final product the buck stops with the person who resources the game and makes the decision to fund it, not the poor guys and girls who actually do the work. Glad they had a fun day.