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Earthgore.... is it heading for nerfdom?
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IzzyStardust✭✭✭✭✭
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Edited; no my mistake. You were the one who said that support is not the healer’s job.I had to stop reading this thread half way in. Way too much annoying nonsense for me to suffer through.
Anyone who thinks Earthgore replaces a healer or makes it to where you don't have to use actual abilities in PvE has no earthly idea what they are talking about.
I also better not see a single one of you gloating over these Earthgore nerfs complain when you die because of it. Because a lot of you will. It's one of the few effective emergency heals a healer has access to. So the next time your glass cannon paper armor mega DPS character dies because you don't get a heal fast enough I don't even wanna hear it. You got exactly what you deserve as far as I'm concerned.
Edited by IzzyStardust on April 10, 2019 5:32PM1 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭IzzyStardust wrote: »
Weren’t you the one who wanted healing springs nerfed because you didn’t use it or something?I had to stop reading this thread half way in. Way too much annoying nonsense for me to suffer through.
Anyone who thinks Earthgore replaces a healer or makes it to where you don't have to use actual abilities in PvE has no earthly idea what they are talking about.
I also better not see a single one of you gloating over these Earthgore nerfs complain when you die because of it. Because a lot of you will. It's one of the few effective emergency heals a healer has access to. So the next time your glass cannon paper armor mega DPS character dies because you don't get a heal fast enough I don't even wanna hear it. You got exactly what you deserve as far as I'm concerned.
No I never said healing springs should be nerfed...
Do you ever do anything on this board besides lie about other people? Show me this post where I said healing springs should be nerfed? Guess what - you want be able to do - because I never said it because you lie.Edited by Jeremy on April 10, 2019 5:31PM1 -
IzzyStardust✭✭✭✭✭
✭SilverPaws wrote: »@Tasear i see now why you are not class rep anymore when you defend broken set.. Too bad your crutch will get removed
Unnecessary and uncalled for. Not cool. And not on point with the debate.
So no one can have an opinion or say anything true anymore!0 -
IzzyStardust✭✭✭✭✭
✭@jeremy 3x dps with self heals, 1x tank in earthgore... More than fulfills what a heal spammer brings to the group, and clears more efficiently.
A proper healer who suplliments dps, provides buffs,/debuffs and resource aid, harder to replace.
The number of healers who think their job is just rr or bol, they make it so they aren't welcome when the minimal task they present is manageable by a 2pc.
That's all I'm saying.
What are you saying? That a healer is just a heal bot? I don't think you are...
Except he did. He specifically said that support is not his job because healing is the role, not support. He doesn’t believe in orbs, buffs, debuffs, only healing is his job.
He had a big long argue about it with pretty much everyone.1 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Haashhtaag wrote: »@jeremy I agree. A bad healer is just as bad with or without.
But I never said otherwise. What I said is that it gives an effective alternative to a bad healer in many situations.
You may not have been saying it. But a lot of people in this thread were. They were acting like Earthgore was so overpowered all a healer had to do was slap it on and that would forgo the need to use any other abilities - which is just so absurd. And that was what that post you responded to of mine was addressing.
Good healers don’t use it, plain and simple.
You don't know what all "good healers" do, plain and simple.1 -
IzzyStardust✭✭✭✭✭
✭Except you yourself aren’t a good healer, with regard to what healers in this game are meant to do. You’re a basic healer - and you yourself said you don’t provide anything but heals. Right?0 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Haashhtaag wrote: »@jeremy 3x dps with self heals, 1x tank in earthgore... More than fulfills what a heal spammer brings to the group, and clears more efficiently.
A proper healer who suplliments dps, provides buffs,/debuffs and resource aid, harder to replace.
The number of healers who think their job is just rr or bol, they make it so they aren't welcome when the minimal task they present is manageable by a 2pc.
That's all I'm saying.
What are you saying? That a healer is just a heal bot? I don't think you are...
What I'm saying is Earthgore doesn't need a nerf. It provides healers with an effective emergency heal every 35 seconds. And that is all it does. It doesn't replace healers - nor does it transform a bad healer into a good healer simply by slapping on a monster set. Those are ridiculous arguments - and it certainly won't keep your average pug group alive (who need a lot more healing than once every 35 seconds).
I suspect what is really going on here (because that's what is usually always going on) is that Earthgore prevents some PvPer from able to zerg another player down in seconds therefore they come on the forums exaggerating its effects and crying about how it is OP until the developers give in and nerf it. Because after all - anything that gets in the way of them being able to burst you down in seconds is obviously OP and needs to be nerfed. It's weird that it never seems to occur to them that maybe what is actually OP is them being able to kill others in a matter of seconds.
Who needs a healer in 4 man content when the tank actually can wear it and the group be more efficient?
Also you have it backwards. This set carries the zergs more than anything.
Go heal some pug groups then get back to me. Because anyone who thinks it's "efficient" to heal groups made through the activity finder using nothing but Earthgore is in for a unpleasant surprise.
Like I said - what we have in this thread is way too many people who run coordinated pre-made groups commenting as if that's the reality the rest of us deal with.
And my post had nothing to do with zergs.
You cant expect a set to replace group composition/communication though. If you see players running around too much, kindly let them know you can help them heal better if they stick closer to you.
You don't need a coordinated group to do this. Just a quick reminder and if you are PC, you can use the arrow key to spam the same message.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭IzzyStardust wrote: »@jeremy 3x dps with self heals, 1x tank in earthgore... More than fulfills what a heal spammer brings to the group, and clears more efficiently.
A proper healer who suplliments dps, provides buffs,/debuffs and resource aid, harder to replace.
The number of healers who think their job is just rr or bol, they make it so they aren't welcome when the minimal task they present is manageable by a 2pc.
That's all I'm saying.
What are you saying? That a healer is just a heal bot? I don't think you are...
Except he did. He specifically said that support is not his job because healing is the role, not support. He doesn’t believe in orbs, buffs, debuffs, only healing is his job.
He had a big long argue about it with pretty much everyone.
That is somewhat correct. A healers job is to heal - and so long as they are accomplishing that I said they are meeting the fundamental criteria of their role. Now if they want to add to that by supplying the party with orbs I have no problem with that, and I certainly never said I personally never believe in buffing or debuffing the group. So that's just you spreading more of your typical lies about other posters. What i said is I don't demand it of other players as if it's their job to give it to me.
Also - you need to get over the fact I said groups can do just fine without orbs and stop trying to derail every thread I'm in by trying to rehash that debate.Edited by Jeremy on April 10, 2019 5:41PM3 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭IzzyStardust wrote: »Except you yourself aren’t a good healer, with regard to what healers in this game are meant to do. You’re a basic healer - and you yourself said you don’t provide anything but heals. Right?
No that's not what I said. As usual - just more lies. And I could give two _____ what you think of me.
I suggest you go find someone who actually cares about your opinion of them to share it with.Edited by Jeremy on April 10, 2019 5:37PM0 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭IzzyStardust wrote: »SilverPaws wrote: »@Tasear i see now why you are not class rep anymore when you defend broken set.. Too bad your crutch will get removed
Unnecessary and uncalled for. Not cool. And not on point with the debate.
So no one can have an opinion or say anything true anymore!
You saying something "true"?
I'll believe it when I see it... because all I ever see you do on here is lie about others.0 -
Reistr_the_Unbroken✭✭✭✭✭
✭IzzyStardust wrote: »SilverPaws wrote: »@Tasear i see now why you are not class rep anymore when you defend broken set.. Too bad your crutch will get removed
Unnecessary and uncalled for. Not cool. And not on point with the debate.
So no one can have an opinion or say anything true anymore!
I mean, they purposely targeted someone and blew the conversation out of proportion by saying that. And no, it wasn’t relevant to the thread at all.0 -
IzzyStardust✭✭✭✭✭
✭Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »IzzyStardust wrote: »SilverPaws wrote: »@Tasear i see now why you are not class rep anymore when you defend broken set.. Too bad your crutch will get removed
Unnecessary and uncalled for. Not cool. And not on point with the debate.
So no one can have an opinion or say anything true anymore!
I mean, they purposely targeted someone and blew the conversation out of proportion by saying that. And no, it wasn’t relevant to the thread at all.
Well I agree that EG makes bad players because if you get saved this hard then you’re doing really wrong things in the first place.0 -
IzzyStardust✭✭✭✭✭
✭IzzyStardust wrote: »Except you yourself aren’t a good healer, with regard to what healers in this game are meant to do. You’re a basic healer - and you yourself said you don’t provide anything but heals. Right?
No that's not what I said. As usual - just more lies. And I could give two _____ what you think of me.
I suggest you go find someone who actually cares about your opinion of them to share it with.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5904936/#Comment_5904936
Read this thread. You argued with so many people about how you are a healer not a support role.1 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭IzzyStardust wrote: »Yep this thread: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5904936/#Comment_5904936
Read this thread. You argued with so many people about how you are a healer not a support role
You really need to get over that thread and stop embarrassing yourself. You're also derailing the topic. If you want to obsess over some old thread I was in make your own topic and do it there. At least that way I'll know to stay out of it.Edited by Jeremy on April 10, 2019 5:45PM2 -
IzzyStardust✭✭✭✭✭
✭IzzyStardust wrote: »SilverPaws wrote: »@Tasear i see now why you are not class rep anymore when you defend broken set.. Too bad your crutch will get removed
Unnecessary and uncalled for. Not cool. And not on point with the debate.
So no one can have an opinion or say anything true anymore!
You saying something "true"?
I'll believe it when I see it... because all I ever see you do on here is lie about others.
I’ll paste it a 3rd time: you said it not me.
I dare you to cite one instance wherein I lied about anyone.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5904936/#Comment_59049360 -
Girl_Number8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Honestly they should remove monster helms from the golden vendor all together and put PvP weapons or something else there. I luv PvP but whenever the golden vendor has something that the nerfilings can't get by actually doing the dungeons, they scream for nerfs once it is everywhere. Glass cannon wanna be solo players cry but it is the Zerglings aka causal nerfilings that really push for these nerfs. I play small scale or solo and I have only seen this as a one trick pony....now it is a dead pony. It doesn't change the game for me but I can see where a healer might get upset.
If I can do the Vdlc dungeons for my PvP gear and accept that, then make the everyone do the proper content for the swag. And keep the monster helms where they were meant to be which is in Vet dungeons. That would solve a lot of problems.
PVP whiners are the only people who like this change. And people who never play healers.
Exactly anything that hurts the solo PvP experience is turned to useless for groups. So healers actually saved lives in PvP so let's Nerf them? I am tried of group play not being considered with changes.
Huh?? Zos keeps killing solo play and making things more Zergling friendly, Cx.3 -
IzzyStardust✭✭✭✭✭
✭IzzyStardust wrote: »@jeremy 3x dps with self heals, 1x tank in earthgore... More than fulfills what a heal spammer brings to the group, and clears more efficiently.
A proper healer who suplliments dps, provides buffs,/debuffs and resource aid, harder to replace.
The number of healers who think their job is just rr or bol, they make it so they aren't welcome when the minimal task they present is manageable by a 2pc.
That's all I'm saying.
What are you saying? That a healer is just a heal bot? I don't think you are...
Except he did. He specifically said that support is not his job because healing is the role, not support. He doesn’t believe in orbs, buffs, debuffs, only healing is his job.
He had a big long argue about it with pretty much everyone.
That is somewhat correct. A healers job is to heal - and so long as they are accomplishing that I said they are meeting the fundamental criteria of their role. Now if they want to add to that by supplying the party with orbs I have no problem with that, and I certainly never said I personally never believe in buffing or debuffing the group. So that's just you spreading more of your typical lies about other posters. What i said is I don't demand it of other players as if it's their job to give it to me.
Also - you need to get over the fact I said groups can do just fine without orbs and stop trying to derail every thread I'm in by trying to rehash that debate.
And you need to face the fact that everyone but you agrees that you don’t understand your own role. People who ‘heal’ that way, together with crutch sets, are the reason why healers generally get considered useless.
I’m not gonna do this whole go round again with you though - so as ever - think what you want!1 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭IzzyStardust wrote: »IzzyStardust wrote: »SilverPaws wrote: »@Tasear i see now why you are not class rep anymore when you defend broken set.. Too bad your crutch will get removed
Unnecessary and uncalled for. Not cool. And not on point with the debate.
So no one can have an opinion or say anything true anymore!
You saying something "true"?
I'll believe it when I see it... because all I ever see you do on here is lie about others.
I’ll paste it a 3rd time: you said it not me.
I dare you to cite one instance wherein I lied about anyone.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5904936/#Comment_5904936
You said I called for healing springs to be nerfed. That was a lie.
You said I never buffed or debuffed my group. That was a lie.
There are two lies you have said about me just now in the last few minutes. Like I said - if you want to obsess over me and lie about me go make your own thread and do it there.0 -
Haashhtaag✭✭✭✭✭
✭IzzyStardust wrote: »@jeremy 3x dps with self heals, 1x tank in earthgore... More than fulfills what a heal spammer brings to the group, and clears more efficiently.
A proper healer who suplliments dps, provides buffs,/debuffs and resource aid, harder to replace.
The number of healers who think their job is just rr or bol, they make it so they aren't welcome when the minimal task they present is manageable by a 2pc.
That's all I'm saying.
What are you saying? That a healer is just a heal bot? I don't think you are...
Except he did. He specifically said that support is not his job because healing is the role, not support. He doesn’t believe in orbs, buffs, debuffs, only healing is his job.
He had a big long argue about it with pretty much everyone.
That is somewhat correct. A healers job is to heal - and so long as they are accomplishing that I said they are meeting the fundamental criteria of their role. Now if they want to add to that by supplying the party with orbs I have no problem with that, and I certainly never said I personally never believe in buffing or debuffing the group. So that's just you spreading more of your typical lies about other posters. What i said is I don't demand it of other players as if it's their job to give it to me.
Also - you need to get over the fact I said groups can do just fine without orbs and stop trying to derail every thread I'm in by trying to rehash that debate.
So since you’re a pure healer may I ask what sets you run?0 -
Zardayne✭✭✭✭✭Haashhtaag wrote: »@jeremy I agree. A bad healer is just as bad with or without.
But I never said otherwise. What I said is that it gives an effective alternative to a bad healer in many situations.
You may not have been saying it. But a lot of people in this thread were. They were acting like Earthgore was so overpowered all a healer had to do was slap it on and that would forgo the need to use any other abilities - which is just so absurd. And that was what that post you responded to of mine was addressing.
Good healers don’t use it, plain and simple.
Perhaps you've never healed PUGs with non templar class (One without a smart heal). The other classes don't have the luxury of breath of life instantly bailing us out even though you can't see your target. When I'm on my warden you had better be in my heal's cone (shrooms) or AOE (seeds) if you need some burst but in a pug these folks can be running all chaotic. Earthgore can give one of the healers classes some "smart" burst heal for emergencies that our class isn't built with. I switch between Earthgore and Nightflame depending on how the pugs acting.
Then again according to you those of us healers that do use Earthgore obviously aren't leet enough to be real healers. Should I say the same when a DPS chooses to run Skoria?4 -
Haashhtaag✭✭✭✭✭
✭Haashhtaag wrote: »@jeremy I agree. A bad healer is just as bad with or without.
But I never said otherwise. What I said is that it gives an effective alternative to a bad healer in many situations.
You may not have been saying it. But a lot of people in this thread were. They were acting like Earthgore was so overpowered all a healer had to do was slap it on and that would forgo the need to use any other abilities - which is just so absurd. And that was what that post you responded to of mine was addressing.
Good healers don’t use it, plain and simple.
Perhaps you've never healed PUGs with non templar class (One without a smart heal). The other classes don't have the luxury of breath of life instantly bailing us out even though you can't see your target. When I'm on my warden you had better be in my heal's cone (shrooms) or AOE (seeds) if you need some burst but in a pug these folks can be running all chaotic. Earthgore can give one of the healers classes some "smart" burst heal for emergencies that our class isn't built with. I switch between Earthgore and Nightflame depending on how the pugs acting.
Then again according to you those of us healers that do use Earthgore obviously aren't leet enough to be real healers. Should I say the same when a DPS chooses to run Skoria?
Maybe y’all should realize there actually isn’t really a million ways to play?1 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭IzzyStardust wrote: »IzzyStardust wrote: »@jeremy 3x dps with self heals, 1x tank in earthgore... More than fulfills what a heal spammer brings to the group, and clears more efficiently.
A proper healer who suplliments dps, provides buffs,/debuffs and resource aid, harder to replace.
The number of healers who think their job is just rr or bol, they make it so they aren't welcome when the minimal task they present is manageable by a 2pc.
That's all I'm saying.
What are you saying? That a healer is just a heal bot? I don't think you are...
Except he did. He specifically said that support is not his job because healing is the role, not support. He doesn’t believe in orbs, buffs, debuffs, only healing is his job.
He had a big long argue about it with pretty much everyone.
That is somewhat correct. A healers job is to heal - and so long as they are accomplishing that I said they are meeting the fundamental criteria of their role. Now if they want to add to that by supplying the party with orbs I have no problem with that, and I certainly never said I personally never believe in buffing or debuffing the group. So that's just you spreading more of your typical lies about other posters. What i said is I don't demand it of other players as if it's their job to give it to me.
Also - you need to get over the fact I said groups can do just fine without orbs and stop trying to derail every thread I'm in by trying to rehash that debate.
And you need to face the fact that everyone but you agrees that you don’t understand your own role. People who ‘heal’ that way, together with crutch sets, are the reason why healers generally get considered useless.
I’m not gonna do this whole go round again with you though - so as ever - think what you want!
And you need to face the fact that you do not decide what people's roles are. ZoS designed this game - not you. The healer's role is to heal and protect allies, keeping them alive through-out the battle. That's according to ZoS - not me. It doesn't say supply Izzystardust with orbs. And you were the one who brought this crap up, not me. So if you didn't want to go round again with me over it maybe you shouldn't have started it in the first place.2 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Haashhtaag wrote: »IzzyStardust wrote: »@jeremy 3x dps with self heals, 1x tank in earthgore... More than fulfills what a heal spammer brings to the group, and clears more efficiently.
A proper healer who suplliments dps, provides buffs,/debuffs and resource aid, harder to replace.
The number of healers who think their job is just rr or bol, they make it so they aren't welcome when the minimal task they present is manageable by a 2pc.
That's all I'm saying.
What are you saying? That a healer is just a heal bot? I don't think you are...
Except he did. He specifically said that support is not his job because healing is the role, not support. He doesn’t believe in orbs, buffs, debuffs, only healing is his job.
He had a big long argue about it with pretty much everyone.
That is somewhat correct. A healers job is to heal - and so long as they are accomplishing that I said they are meeting the fundamental criteria of their role. Now if they want to add to that by supplying the party with orbs I have no problem with that, and I certainly never said I personally never believe in buffing or debuffing the group. So that's just you spreading more of your typical lies about other posters. What i said is I don't demand it of other players as if it's their job to give it to me.
Also - you need to get over the fact I said groups can do just fine without orbs and stop trying to derail every thread I'm in by trying to rehash that debate.
So since you’re a pure healer may I ask what sets you run?
Again; I'm not a pure healer...
When I heal I typically use Ritual of Retribution to remove debuffs and shards to provide the group the resources. But I'm not the topic of this thread and I'm not going to let you and izzy-whatever derail this thread into a topic I was sick of months ago. Just because I do not use orbs that doesn't mean the only thing I do is spam heals...Edited by Jeremy on April 10, 2019 6:02PM0 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Haashhtaag wrote: »Haashhtaag wrote: »@jeremy I agree. A bad healer is just as bad with or without.
But I never said otherwise. What I said is that it gives an effective alternative to a bad healer in many situations.
You may not have been saying it. But a lot of people in this thread were. They were acting like Earthgore was so overpowered all a healer had to do was slap it on and that would forgo the need to use any other abilities - which is just so absurd. And that was what that post you responded to of mine was addressing.
Good healers don’t use it, plain and simple.
Perhaps you've never healed PUGs with non templar class (One without a smart heal). The other classes don't have the luxury of breath of life instantly bailing us out even though you can't see your target. When I'm on my warden you had better be in my heal's cone (shrooms) or AOE (seeds) if you need some burst but in a pug these folks can be running all chaotic. Earthgore can give one of the healers classes some "smart" burst heal for emergencies that our class isn't built with. I switch between Earthgore and Nightflame depending on how the pugs acting.
Then again according to you those of us healers that do use Earthgore obviously aren't leet enough to be real healers. Should I say the same when a DPS chooses to run Skoria?
Maybe y’all should realize there actually isn’t really a million ways to play?
Maybe not a million. But there is certainly more ways to play than how you and Izzy say they should.
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✭Earthgore is fine as is.
Why does ZOS keep touching things that don't need touching.
Another example of why ZOS needs to separate PVE/PVP sets and skills. At this point the only reason the game is as wobbly as it is is because of this very reason. Two separate tooltips, one for PVE and one for PVP.
but we are already 5 years in. No choice but to just smear that oil some more to try and make it look somewhat intentional.Your friendly neighborhood crazy cat lady of ESO
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Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Haashhtaag wrote: »@jeremy I agree. A bad healer is just as bad with or without.
But I never said otherwise. What I said is that it gives an effective alternative to a bad healer in many situations.
You may not have been saying it. But a lot of people in this thread were. They were acting like Earthgore was so overpowered all a healer had to do was slap it on and that would forgo the need to use any other abilities - which is just so absurd. And that was what that post you responded to of mine was addressing.
Good healers don’t use it, plain and simple.
Perhaps you've never healed PUGs with non templar class (One without a smart heal). The other classes don't have the luxury of breath of life instantly bailing us out even though you can't see your target. When I'm on my warden you had better be in my heal's cone (shrooms) or AOE (seeds) if you need some burst but in a pug these folks can be running all chaotic. Earthgore can give one of the healers classes some "smart" burst heal for emergencies that our class isn't built with. I switch between Earthgore and Nightflame depending on how the pugs acting.
Then again according to you those of us healers that do use Earthgore obviously aren't leet enough to be real healers. Should I say the same when a DPS chooses to run Skoria?
Definitely. It's even useful to Templars now since they changed Breath of Life to where you have to see them as well.
People who do not play as healers - especially in pugs (and I would suggest that's a majority of the people posting in favor of these nerfs) don't realize just how useful a heal like this is. Because our base tool kits really gives us nothing to effectively deal with situations where people are running all over the place in different directions (often with mobs chasing them) and needing heals to stay alive. They assume everyone stands in our area of effects or ideally positions themselves for heals when that's rarely the case - especially during chaotic fights.6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭So many tags...Haashhtaag wrote: »A screenshot was leaked a couple of weeks ago.
(1 item) Adds 4% Healing Done
(2 items) When you heal yourself or an ally under 50% health, you conjure a pool of quenching blood underneath them, immediately removing all previous enemy placed effects, and healing the lowest Health ally in the area for 31200 Health over 6 seconds. This effect can occur once every 35 seconds.
You're welcome.
Fun part worst for PvP and PvE😯
Yes let's negate everything.
Yes let's get rid of only other aoe heal monster set besides nightflame.
Weren’t you one of the most vocal people about healers feeling useless? This set literally made you useless in all 4 man content. Because what would happen is you’d have 3 dps and a tank wearing EG. The raid guilds I know only use Bogdan.
It earthgore or Bogdan. My issue with rumored change is inherently pvp basis in the changes. It's not a good change to set. I am not a fan of bad design.
Chokethron, and troll king will be outdoing a dlc set. These sets will have exact same issues as earthgore.
Would of been solved if just made it a major buff or something so can't stack.
People 3 dps many different ways earthgore changed nothing.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Haashhtaag wrote: »@jeremy 3x dps with self heals, 1x tank in earthgore... More than fulfills what a heal spammer brings to the group, and clears more efficiently.
A proper healer who suplliments dps, provides buffs,/debuffs and resource aid, harder to replace.
The number of healers who think their job is just rr or bol, they make it so they aren't welcome when the minimal task they present is manageable by a 2pc.
That's all I'm saying.
What are you saying? That a healer is just a heal bot? I don't think you are...
What I'm saying is Earthgore doesn't need a nerf. It provides healers with an effective emergency heal every 35 seconds. And that is all it does. It doesn't replace healers - nor does it transform a bad healer into a good healer simply by slapping on a monster set. Those are ridiculous arguments - and it certainly won't keep your average pug group alive (who need a lot more healing than once every 35 seconds).
I suspect what is really going on here (because that's what is usually always going on) is that Earthgore prevents some PvPer from able to zerg another player down in seconds therefore they come on the forums exaggerating its effects and crying about how it is OP until the developers give in and nerf it. Because after all - anything that gets in the way of them being able to burst you down in seconds is obviously OP and needs to be nerfed. It's weird that it never seems to occur to them that maybe what is actually OP is them being able to kill others in a matter of seconds.
Who needs a healer in 4 man content when the tank actually can wear it and the group be more efficient?
Also you have it backwards. This set carries the zergs more than anything.
Go heal some pug groups then get back to me. Because anyone who thinks it's "efficient" to heal groups made through the activity finder using nothing but Earthgore is in for a unpleasant surprise.
Like I said - what we have in this thread is way too many people who run coordinated pre-made groups commenting as if that's the reality the rest of us deal with.
And my post had nothing to do with zergs.
You cant expect a set to replace group composition/communication though. If you see players running around too much, kindly let them know you can help them heal better if they stick closer to you.
You don't need a coordinated group to do this. Just a quick reminder and if you are PC, you can use the arrow key to spam the same message.
It doesn't replace it. But it does make it a little more manageable.
It's also unrealistic to expect healers to be able to control a group of strangers by telling them where to stand. This is the only MMORPG I have ever played where healing is given so many encumbrances.
There is a reason this game struggles with making healers relevant and I would say that's why - because they make it such a chore to actually heal people that's often safer for a DPS to simply slot a heal and do it him or herself. That way they don't have to worry about staying in front of the healer or inside an area of effect while chasing down adds or dealing with some mechanic that involves running to the opposite side of room.
But for some silly reason the developers think nerfing shields and earthgore is the solution to this. The obvious solution never seems to cross their mind which is to simply make healing better.Edited by Jeremy on April 10, 2019 6:32PM4
