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Datamined "Chapter III" - The Elder Scrolls Online: Elsweyr
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✭There goes what was left of lore and logic.
Real Dragons in ESO, which never happened and which was confirmed by ZoS to never happen. And undead chilling in all major towns and social hubs.
Yeah. Thanks, I hate it lol.
I could get behind some friendly dragon NPCs, some have been allied to Tiber Septim after all. But this is probably going to be silly and steal more thunder from Khajiit - why even set it in Elsweyr at that point.
Probably so they can get it out of the way and focus on the dragons instead of living up to the unique lore of tbe khajiit. How much you want to bet the subraces/furstocks will be toned down? Turns out it was all just "exaggerations" and "transcription errors".No one is saying there aren't multiple interpretations of the lore, and we're not arguing that ESO did it "wrong".
We're arguing that they decided to go for the most boring, mundane, seen-before interpretation possible. Like they almost always do, unless they can ride on the coat-tails of past games.4 -
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✭Callous2208 wrote: »What would be interesting is if upon picking the necromancy class, you were always kill on sight by guards in towns and maybe even by other players. That would be pretty cool since necromancy is pretty much banned in all facets and all regions of Tamriel.
I mean in the old (mostly retconned) lore, every culture had a different opinion on necromancy. Altmer studied in secret, mostly to find ways to extend their lives, khajiit didn't really care about selling corpses to the sload, and imperials saw necromancy as just another form of scholarship worth studying.
But since Oblivion and ESO removed most of that cultural nuance, it is weird to imagine a bunch of necromancers walking around alinor surrounded by the living dead. But thats more than likely what will happen.No one is saying there aren't multiple interpretations of the lore, and we're not arguing that ESO did it "wrong".
We're arguing that they decided to go for the most boring, mundane, seen-before interpretation possible. Like they almost always do, unless they can ride on the coat-tails of past games.3 -
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✭Peekachu99 wrote: »You lore-nerds are ridiculous. Game should be fun, first and foremost and retconning and lore is par for the course in any online game based off an established IP.
WoW is the perfect example of a game that proved muteable and adaptable over time, and that’s a testament to great design.
This Chapter will be ESO’s WoTLK moment. I guarantee.
...You're acting like you can't do both. You can be cool fun and creative without throwing random *** at the wall that doesn't fit with the established universe.
If not, then what's the point of this being an Elder Scrolls mmo at all?
You bring up WoW. Warcraft is one of my favorite IPs, but I fell out with it after they released the latest lore books. They kept retconning the most fundamental aspects of the world so much and so often that everything contradicted itself and there was no point in getting invested in the world at all.
Sure, none of that matters if you just wanna rush to endgame and raid, but what if that's not the kind of player you are?
That being said, we still don't know enough to say whether this will fit into the lore or not. Maybe Zenimax will do something creative with all of this, and not go in the directions we're all assuming. But to see so many people bashing the very idea of adhering to the lore is just depressing.Edited by psychotrip on January 9, 2019 4:50PMNo one is saying there aren't multiple interpretations of the lore, and we're not arguing that ESO did it "wrong".
We're arguing that they decided to go for the most boring, mundane, seen-before interpretation possible. Like they almost always do, unless they can ride on the coat-tails of past games.6 -
Oberstein✭✭✭So where is this place named "Elsweyr" located?History, like a human being, is thirsty when it wakes from its slumber…History wants to drink up an enormous amount of blood. And even if history has tired of drinking blood, that’s only in regards to the amount. But what about quality? The larger the sacrifice is, the more delighted the cruel gods will be.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭psychotrip wrote: »There goes what was left of lore and logic. Real Dragons in ESO, which never happened and which was confirmed by ZoS to never happen. And undead chilling in all major towns and social hubs.
Yeah. Thanks, I hate it lol.
I could get behind some friendly dragon NPCs, some have been allied to Tiber Septim after all. But this is probably going to be silly and steal more thunder from Khajiit - why even set it in Elsweyr at that point.
Probably so they can get it out of the way and focus on the dragons instead of living up to the unique lore of tbe khajiit. How much you want to bet the subraces/furstocks will be toned down? Turns out it was all just "exaggerations" and "transcription errors".
Well we already know there'll be Senche-raht mounts, and they look pretty good imo. Maybe they'll surprise us this time. In a good way, I mean.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭More of me is starting to think that there is no necromancer class, or even really a skill line.1 -
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✭The info (which, let's all keep in mind is not official yet) says the next part of the story will unfold in the course of one year, so even if it's not making sense at first glance, there'll be a whole chapter and 2-3 DLC's worth of material to cover it. Keep calm and have some faith in ESO writers
Why should I have "faith" in the company that continually retcons and waters down the most unique and outlandish aspects of the lore in favor of generic medieval fantasy (I'm looking at you Summerset)?
I half expect dragons to be swooping around like in Skyrim, and for all the khajiit furstocks to be retconned. No way they're making a dozen unique khajiit models.
I may be coming off as a bit flippant, but the idea of having faith in any company, especially when they haven't shown good faith in the past, just really irks me.No one is saying there aren't multiple interpretations of the lore, and we're not arguing that ESO did it "wrong".
We're arguing that they decided to go for the most boring, mundane, seen-before interpretation possible. Like they almost always do, unless they can ride on the coat-tails of past games.4 -
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✭psychotrip wrote: »There goes what was left of lore and logic. Real Dragons in ESO, which never happened and which was confirmed by ZoS to never happen. And undead chilling in all major towns and social hubs.
Yeah. Thanks, I hate it lol.
I could get behind some friendly dragon NPCs, some have been allied to Tiber Septim after all. But this is probably going to be silly and steal more thunder from Khajiit - why even set it in Elsweyr at that point.
Probably so they can get it out of the way and focus on the dragons instead of living up to the unique lore of tbe khajiit. How much you want to bet the subraces/furstocks will be toned down? Turns out it was all just "exaggerations" and "transcription errors".
Well we already know there'll be Senche-raht mounts, and they look pretty good imo. Maybe they'll surprise us this time. In a good way, I mean.
We also fought senche tigers in vanilla, and eso explicitly said that those were just regular tigers. I'm not getting my hopes up.No one is saying there aren't multiple interpretations of the lore, and we're not arguing that ESO did it "wrong".
We're arguing that they decided to go for the most boring, mundane, seen-before interpretation possible. Like they almost always do, unless they can ride on the coat-tails of past games.1 -
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✭✭So where is this place named "Elsweyr" located?
In the south of Tamriel. Reaper's March was a zone that has a few Elsweyr cities in it.PC - NACP 1125
Veric Blackwood - Breton Magsorc DC
Xhiak-Qua'cthurus - Argonian Frost Warden EP
Kujata-qa - Khajiit Magplar AD
Suunleth-dar - Khajiit Stamblade AD
Teldryn Antharys - Dunmer Flame DK EP
Strikes-With-Venom - Argonian Poison DK EP
Rur'san-ra - Khajiit WW Stamsorc AD
Ilianos Solinar - Altmer Stamplar AD
Iscah Silver-Heart - Reachman Magden DC0 -
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✭SilverIce58 wrote: »
I think that person was trying to be punnyNo one is saying there aren't multiple interpretations of the lore, and we're not arguing that ESO did it "wrong".
We're arguing that they decided to go for the most boring, mundane, seen-before interpretation possible. Like they almost always do, unless they can ride on the coat-tails of past games.2 -
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✭✭Threemoons wrote: »
I use an entire house for that
I don't let people into it because it looks like really weird homeless people are squatting there, with random furnishings and building pieces just stacked and floating in midair. PC/Xbox NA Mindmender|Swashbuckler Supreme|Planes Breaker|Dawnbringer|Godslayer|Immortal Redeemer|Gryphon Heart|Tick-tock Tormentor|Dro-m'Athra Destroyer|Stormproof|Grand Overlord|Grand Mastercrafter|Master Grappler|Tamriel Hero0 -
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✭✭psychotrip wrote: »psychotrip wrote: »There goes what was left of lore and logic. Real Dragons in ESO, which never happened and which was confirmed by ZoS to never happen. And undead chilling in all major towns and social hubs.
Yeah. Thanks, I hate it lol.
I could get behind some friendly dragon NPCs, some have been allied to Tiber Septim after all. But this is probably going to be silly and steal more thunder from Khajiit - why even set it in Elsweyr at that point.
Probably so they can get it out of the way and focus on the dragons instead of living up to the unique lore of tbe khajiit. How much you want to bet the subraces/furstocks will be toned down? Turns out it was all just "exaggerations" and "transcription errors".
Well we already know there'll be Senche-raht mounts, and they look pretty good imo. Maybe they'll surprise us this time. In a good way, I mean.
We also fought senche tigers in vanilla, and eso explicitly said that those were just regular tigers. I'm not getting my hopes up.
Senche tigers aren't khajiit. Theyre just regular tigers that resemble senche khajiit.PC - NACP 1125
Veric Blackwood - Breton Magsorc DC
Xhiak-Qua'cthurus - Argonian Frost Warden EP
Kujata-qa - Khajiit Magplar AD
Suunleth-dar - Khajiit Stamblade AD
Teldryn Antharys - Dunmer Flame DK EP
Strikes-With-Venom - Argonian Poison DK EP
Rur'san-ra - Khajiit WW Stamsorc AD
Ilianos Solinar - Altmer Stamplar AD
Iscah Silver-Heart - Reachman Magden DC0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »More of me is starting to think that there is no necromancer class, or even really a skill line.
You really think ZOS would put something into the game client - as elaborated as the teaser text for Chapter III etc. - just to troll us?PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -2 -
satanio✭✭✭✭just don't see the Elsweyr thing happening...
exp = "Elweyr"
replace = "Skyrim"
newChapter = regex(newchapter, exp, replace)
Even the audio on bathesda twitch right now (the tablet video) sounds more like zephyr in muntains, more winter-ish. I think they just send false signals to confuse the community to then create a bigger sensation. They know that the things will be datamined, why would they not be 3 steps ahead. At least, that's what I hope for...
I mean cmon... khajiits and necromancers and dragons?1 -
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✭SilverIce58 wrote: »psychotrip wrote: »psychotrip wrote: »There goes what was left of lore and logic. Real Dragons in ESO, which never happened and which was confirmed by ZoS to never happen. And undead chilling in all major towns and social hubs.
Yeah. Thanks, I hate it lol.
I could get behind some friendly dragon NPCs, some have been allied to Tiber Septim after all. But this is probably going to be silly and steal more thunder from Khajiit - why even set it in Elsweyr at that point.
Probably so they can get it out of the way and focus on the dragons instead of living up to the unique lore of tbe khajiit. How much you want to bet the subraces/furstocks will be toned down? Turns out it was all just "exaggerations" and "transcription errors".
Well we already know there'll be Senche-raht mounts, and they look pretty good imo. Maybe they'll surprise us this time. In a good way, I mean.
We also fought senche tigers in vanilla, and eso explicitly said that those were just regular tigers. I'm not getting my hopes up.
Senche tigers aren't khajiit. Theyre just regular tigers that resemble senche khajiit.
This was the explanation they made after people complained, to be fair. My point is that we don't know if these mounts are the khajiit senche or just another kind of animal.No one is saying there aren't multiple interpretations of the lore, and we're not arguing that ESO did it "wrong".
We're arguing that they decided to go for the most boring, mundane, seen-before interpretation possible. Like they almost always do, unless they can ride on the coat-tails of past games.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Just updated the first page with all of the stuff ZOS released today.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -2 -
The_Drop_Bear✭✭✭Aerius_Sygale wrote: »Sounds like worst Chapter possible.
There is no pleasing you people... You take things too seriously, like REAL life history is being defiled or something. Can you not just drop the Lore obsession, and enjoy the content for what it is on its own merit, regardless of what happens or not in OTHER Elder Scrolls games? It would seem you cannot...
Problem is since they haven't said this take place in a dragon break or anything, them messing up the lore in this effects the other TES games, which people really care about the lore.Edited by The_Drop_Bear on January 9, 2019 8:32PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The_Drop_Bear wrote: »Aerius_Sygale wrote: »Sounds like worst Chapter possible.
There is no pleasing you people... You take things too seriously, like REAL life history is being defiled or something. Can you not just drop the Lore obsession, and enjoy the content for what it is on its own merit, regardless of what happens or not in OTHER Elder Scrolls games? It would seem you cannot...
Problem is since they haven't said this take place in a dragon break or anything them messing up the lore in this effects the other TES games, which people really care about the lore.
Which is also pretty premature, since they really have not announced anything other than box art and two statements from Tharn.4 -
The_Drop_Bear✭✭✭psychotrip wrote: »There goes what was left of lore and logic. Real Dragons in ESO, which never happened and which was confirmed by ZoS to never happen. And undead chilling in all major towns and social hubs.
Yeah. Thanks, I hate it lol.
I could get behind some friendly dragon NPCs, some have been allied to Tiber Septim after all. But this is probably going to be silly and steal more thunder from Khajiit - why even set it in Elsweyr at that point.
Probably so they can get it out of the way and focus on the dragons instead of living up to the unique lore of tbe khajiit. How much you want to bet the subraces/furstocks will be toned down? Turns out it was all just "exaggerations" and "transcription errors".
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Kajuratus✭✭✭SilverIce58 wrote: »
Senche tigers aren't khajiit. Theyre just regular tigers that resemble senche khajiit.
Actually they more closely resemble Pahmar, its just that the word "senche" is apparently very flexible in the Khajiiti culture. The Senche furstock has front legs that are 1.5x the size of their back legs.So the Dark Elves have weird alien architecture, where people live in mushroom towers and the shell of a giant crab, but the High Elves, the pinnacle of technology, the most magically advanced race in Tamriel, are still stuck in slightly pretty, fairly tall stone buildings? Not even a hint of a glass city? Are stainless glass windows really enough to claim that a city is made of glass?0 -
The_Drop_Bear✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »The_Drop_Bear wrote: »Aerius_Sygale wrote: »Sounds like worst Chapter possible.
There is no pleasing you people... You take things too seriously, like REAL life history is being defiled or something. Can you not just drop the Lore obsession, and enjoy the content for what it is on its own merit, regardless of what happens or not in OTHER Elder Scrolls games? It would seem you cannot...
Problem is since they haven't said this take place in a dragon break or anything them messing up the lore in this effects the other TES games, which people really care about the lore.
Which is also pretty premature, since they really have not announced anything other than box art and two statements from Tharn.
They haven't so far with the lore they messed up (summer set, clockwork and morrowind) why would they change now.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The_Drop_Bear wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »The_Drop_Bear wrote: »Aerius_Sygale wrote: »Sounds like worst Chapter possible.
There is no pleasing you people... You take things too seriously, like REAL life history is being defiled or something. Can you not just drop the Lore obsession, and enjoy the content for what it is on its own merit, regardless of what happens or not in OTHER Elder Scrolls games? It would seem you cannot...
Problem is since they haven't said this take place in a dragon break or anything them messing up the lore in this effects the other TES games, which people really care about the lore.
Which is also pretty premature, since they really have not announced anything other than box art and two statements from Tharn.
They haven't so far with the lore they messed up (summer set, clockwork and morrowind) why would they change now.
My point is that most of the "lore breaking announcements" are coming from players, not ZOS, yet people treat it like gospel.3 -
KyraCROgnon✭✭✭Necromancy is the art of talking with the deads. Not raising them as zombies or whatever. I would so much love a game to actually explore that path instead of the D&D sillyness ! Could lead to such awesome storytelling0
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✭✭KyraCROgnon wrote: »Necromancy is the art of talking with the deads. Not raising them as zombies or whatever. I would so much love a game to actually explore that path instead of the D&D sillyness ! Could lead to such awesome storytelling
Necromancy is the manipulation of the souls and corpses of the dead. At least, according to the elder scrolls universe.
And zombies? Really? Think outside of the box. Bone colossi are where its at.PC - NACP 1125
Veric Blackwood - Breton Magsorc DC
Xhiak-Qua'cthurus - Argonian Frost Warden EP
Kujata-qa - Khajiit Magplar AD
Suunleth-dar - Khajiit Stamblade AD
Teldryn Antharys - Dunmer Flame DK EP
Strikes-With-Venom - Argonian Poison DK EP
Rur'san-ra - Khajiit WW Stamsorc AD
Ilianos Solinar - Altmer Stamplar AD
Iscah Silver-Heart - Reachman Magden DC1 -
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Nah- Dremora are where it’s atSilverIce58 wrote: »KyraCROgnon wrote: »Necromancy is the art of talking with the deads. Not raising them as zombies or whatever. I would so much love a game to actually explore that path instead of the D&D sillyness ! Could lead to such awesome storytelling
Necromancy is the manipulation of the souls and corpses of the dead. At least, according to the elder scrolls universe.
And zombies? Really? Think outside of the box. Bone colossi are where its at.
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✭✭imma say this again...just in case I wasn't clear enough... Lets wait for the official announcements before we keep speculating. since if I recall right elsweyr was supposed to happen yes...but in 2020 from their working list...2019 was supposed to be hammerfell so right now we just go hypes when they could just announce another dungeon DLC or idk...qol updates.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@xenowarrior92eb17_ESO there is a working list from ZOS and Hammerfell was placed on it?PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -0 -
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✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »LonePirate wrote: »So does this mean we have a DLC sized zone coming for Q1? It would be kind of difficult to start this story without some new DLC type of content. A dungeon DLC could not properly kick off a year long story but I guess it could. I suppose they might just throw in a couple of long quests like the intro to Murkmire quests and the Jee Lar dailies. I guess we will know when the PTS is updated.
Their initial plan was:
Q1: feature DLC
Q2: Chapter
Q3: dungeon DLC
Q4: zone DLC
If I remember correctly. Last year we got another dungeon DLC in Q1 instead of a feature DLC so who knows.
Actually they never sais q1 was feature dlc people just assumed it due to homestead but the did say the new release schedule would start with morrowind wich make homesead not a part of the new dlc planification
So it can be anyting
That's indeed true, although Q3 was planned as the "dungeon DLC quarter".So where is this place named "Elsweyr" located?
East of valenwood, a small part of it is already avaiable to visit in repers march(Dunes and Rawlqua)0 -
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✭✭✭perogwin_ESO wrote: »It has already been stated pretty clearly that the entirety of ESO takes place during a "Dragon Break", they did this so that nothing they decide to do is against any pre existing lore of the game.
So get over it and enjoy whatever they throw our way without getting all uppity over the Lore.
I myself can't wait to see how this all plays out and am thrilled with the idea of a Necromancer Class and Dragons!
Can you give a citation? Cause what I've seen is this:
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@SeamusWho Yes, #ESO is canon. We work closely with Bethesda to ensure that all lore in ESO is historically accurate & canon-appropriate.
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✭✭✭✭✭perogwin_ESO wrote: »It has already been stated pretty clearly that the entirety of ESO takes place during a "Dragon Break", they did this so that nothing they decide to do is against any pre existing lore of the game.
So get over it and enjoy whatever they throw our way without getting all uppity over the Lore.
I myself can't wait to see how this all plays out and am thrilled with the idea of a Necromancer Class and Dragons!
A Dragon Break doesn't mean that everything that happens doesn't really happen, it means that conflicting events are all true. It doesn't discard everything, it canonizes everything.
Why don't people understand this.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.2