Suggestion: Create a PvE Cyrodiil.

Phreeki

No. (Comment Why.)

PvE plebs have 98% of the zones in this game to faceroll their keyboard, leave our zone alone.

Undefwun

No. (Comment Why.)

Bruccius wrote: »

I take pleasure when people who desire players to suffer at the expense of themselves get to experience suffering themselves.

Perhaps people such as yourself follow the PC way of ''minority wants the majority to adapt!'', but that isn't a mindset to follow. People like the PvP fanbase and yourself are exactly the reason why ESO has a bad reputation in the franchise.

If you cannot see the incredibly selfish problem with thinking ''I want gank targets to remain in gank paradise, despite them not wanting to be gank targets, but just people doing quests'', there's something wrong with you.

Making assumptions about me without knowing anything...

I play mostly BGs...so most of my targets in pvp are targets by choice. As for soft targets such as non-pvpers in cyro... not really my thing either. There is no fun melting someone who doesn't know how to fight back... the best fun is when its a contest.

So I don't lump me in with that group.

I'll assume you mean PC as in politically correct... yeah that's not me to start with either. So you 0 for 2. You know what they say about assumptions...

I wish ppl would embrace both sides of the game. This weird divide is ridiculous to me.

I do dislike people who feel they are entitled to everything in the game because they payed for the game.

You pay to play the game. The rules of the game are set by the developers.
The conditions for attaining items are set by the devs and they mixed PvE and PvP content. I don't play games without a PvP component.

You want to look like shriveled prune with the soul shriven skin you have to go to IC. IC is a PvP zone.
I've never done a Bruma quest, but if you want to do it, it's in Cyro, PvP Zone and there might be enemy players.
Either you learn to PvP or you don't do the quests. What is the problem?

I'll never get the Emperor title, because I can't be bothered to do what is needed to get it.
I might never get all the vet trial HM achievements because I am not at that level and because of time and timing I can't commit to a high end trials guild/group properly.
I'm ok with not getting the vMoL skin. I don't make topics about it.
I don't like snipers in pvp, but it is in the game. I really dislike that play style. I deal with it by hitting every bow user I come across as hard as possible.

I voted NO on this topc, because ppl can't be bothered to play the game the way it's set out and cry about it.
I guess it's not very PC to dislike entitlement....

I know some PvP players can be toxic, but as we can see there is toxic jerks on both sides....

zyk

No. (Comment Why.)

Bruccius wrote: »

Perhaps people such as yourself follow the PC way of ''minority wants the majority to adapt!'', but that isn't a mindset to follow. People like the PvP fanbase and yourself are exactly the reason why ESO has a bad reputation in the franchise.

Says the guy who wants the majority of PVP players playing in a PVP designated area to adapt to his individual morals by playing the way he wants them to.

Furthermore, the ESO PVP community does not have a bad reputation at all. It's a very relaxed and easy going PVP community. It's also very tiny and likely has no influence in how ESO is perceive by those outside of the game.

Bruccius

Absolutely.

Kel wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

@Merlin13KAGL

You're missing the point. As said, nobody is complaining about PvP players attacking Keeps (not like they can't be done in PvE, but that aside).

The whole ''there are always ways not to engage'' is a weak argument. It's a PvP/PvE zone, so why should PvE players who just want to PvE have to go through great effort and bothersome sidetracking in order to do what they want to do, while PvP players can just walk around not caring? No one is saying PvP should be removed, what the PvE community is saying is that PvP and PvE do not mix well. PvE suffers at the expense of PvP in a mixed zone. This is a fact, and the problem in that fact doesn't lie with the people who do not seek to engage with other players.

You're also missing the entire point about suffering. Notice the key difference here; PvE players have to be cautious because of PvP players while doing PvE content. PvP players have to be cautious becauce of PvE content while trying to obtain a PvE set. Notice it? Both do PvE, but guess which one is getting the worst part out of their deal?

PvP is very different from PvE, there is plenty of reason to want PvP to be treated differently from PvE, PvE npcs don't gank, PvE npcs scurry away when you get far enough away from them, PvE npcs don't use 50+ abilities within a timespan of a minute... PvP players, not so much.

You're still yet to come with a good argument why PvP and PvE should be mixed, when it's become so clear, even through your own comments, that PvE players have to change their playstile to be able to do PvE in this ''mixed zone''.

The issue is that you want to keep pvp rewards.

If you want a pve cyrodiil it should not reward any kind of AP, Telvar or other rare IC rewards/achievements - those are pvp rewards and should be kept for pvp environments.

Tell me, oh wise one, how can something be a PvP reward if you can achieve it without doing PvP?

You can?
Guess you don't need a PvE Cyrodiil after all.

We're not in it solely for the rewards, genius.

You sound like a spoiled child demanding to play with other kids toys when you got a toy box full of your own.

Good luck with that. With your toxic attitude, I'm glad you don't come into Cyrodiil. It's a far better place without you.

PvP players don't have ''toys'', though... Toys in your context refers to PvE content, after all, my ''box of toys'' (Zones filled with PvE Content), is the same kind of ''Toy'' found within Cyrodiil (other PvE content).

Am I glad that the PvP community is slowly dying off. Never been so glad that ZOS doesn't give a damn about the PvP playerbase.

Enjoy your temper tantrum. I look forward to "ganking" you...on my sorc no less (even though I don't think you know what ganking is) on your next visit to Cyrodiil.

Remember, you are never safe in a PvP zone, "genius", that's what it's designed for.

Even sweeter knowing your complaint is moot...you'll never get what you're asking for.
Enjoy your pointless rage...
No need to respond to you futher.

Think I'll spend some time around quest givers in Cyrodiil ...just because you've inspired me to do so....

People like you are the image of a tumor.

Bruccius

Absolutely.

zyk wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

Perhaps people such as yourself follow the PC way of ''minority wants the majority to adapt!'', but that isn't a mindset to follow. People like the PvP fanbase and yourself are exactly the reason why ESO has a bad reputation in the franchise.

Says the guy who wants the majority of PVP players playing in a PVP designated area to adapt to his individual morals by playing the way he wants them to.

Furthermore, the ESO PVP community does not have a bad reputation at all. It's a very relaxed and easy going PVP community. It's also very tiny and likely has no influence in how ESO is perceive by those outside of the game.

The majority of the playerbase of this game is PvE focused, kid.

''Easy going PvP community''
Lmfao.

''NErF DiZ PlEAsE! IOz OP!''

Bruccius

Absolutely.

Undefwun wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

I take pleasure when people who desire players to suffer at the expense of themselves get to experience suffering themselves.

Perhaps people such as yourself follow the PC way of ''minority wants the majority to adapt!'', but that isn't a mindset to follow. People like the PvP fanbase and yourself are exactly the reason why ESO has a bad reputation in the franchise.

If you cannot see the incredibly selfish problem with thinking ''I want gank targets to remain in gank paradise, despite them not wanting to be gank targets, but just people doing quests'', there's something wrong with you.

Making assumptions about me without knowing anything...

I play mostly BGs...so most of my targets in pvp are targets by choice. As for soft targets such as non-pvpers in cyro... not really my thing either. There is no fun melting someone who doesn't know how to fight back... the best fun is when its a contest.

So I don't lump me in with that group.

I'll assume you mean PC as in politically correct... yeah that's not me to start with either. So you 0 for 2. You know what they say about assumptions...

I wish ppl would embrace both sides of the game. This weird divide is ridiculous to me.

I do dislike people who feel they are entitled to everything in the game because they payed for the game.

You pay to play the game. The rules of the game are set by the developers.
The conditions for attaining items are set by the devs and they mixed PvE and PvP content. I don't play games without a PvP component.

You want to look like shriveled prune with the soul shriven skin you have to go to IC. IC is a PvP zone.
I've never done a Bruma quest, but if you want to do it, it's in Cyro, PvP Zone and there might be enemy players.
Either you learn to PvP or you don't do the quests. What is the problem?

I'll never get the Emperor title, because I can't be bothered to do what is needed to get it.
I might never get all the vet trial HM achievements because I am not at that level and because of time and timing I can't commit to a high end trials guild/group properly.
I'm ok with not getting the vMoL skin. I don't make topics about it.
I don't like snipers in pvp, but it is in the game. I really dislike that play style. I deal with it by hitting every bow user I come across as hard as possible.

I voted NO on this topc, because ppl can't be bothered to play the game the way it's set out and cry about it.
I guess it's not very PC to dislike entitlement....

I know some PvP players can be toxic, but as we can see there is toxic jerks on both sides....

So you want PvE players to do PvP in a mixed zone, but don't want PvP players having to do PvE in a mixed zone?

Huh, the living image of irony.

Katahdin

No. (Comment Why.)

I am a PvE AND a PvP player.

I have done all the quests on a few characters. I rarely see other players except where the quests happen to take you to a place frequented by PvPers (ie Bruma).

Did I die a few times? Sure.
Was it annoying? Yup
Does it take perseverance? Absolutely

I just rezed and continued on.
If it was a delve, I avoided that one for a while. If it was a town, i just went back cause I knew the person would be gone by then. I kept going til I got it done.

It wasnt hard and it didn't take that long and I had fun doing it.

I did a couple characters in the main campaign (True flame at the time), but also did some in the less busy campaign which was easier if my faction controlled most of the map.

If you have what it takes to do it, you'll get it done. If you don't then stop whining about what youll never have and get over it.

Katahdin

No. (Comment Why.)

Bruccius wrote: »

Undefwun wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

I take pleasure when people who desire players to suffer at the expense of themselves get to experience suffering themselves.

Perhaps people such as yourself follow the PC way of ''minority wants the majority to adapt!'', but that isn't a mindset to follow. People like the PvP fanbase and yourself are exactly the reason why ESO has a bad reputation in the franchise.

If you cannot see the incredibly selfish problem with thinking ''I want gank targets to remain in gank paradise, despite them not wanting to be gank targets, but just people doing quests'', there's something wrong with you.

Making assumptions about me without knowing anything...

I play mostly BGs...so most of my targets in pvp are targets by choice. As for soft targets such as non-pvpers in cyro... not really my thing either. There is no fun melting someone who doesn't know how to fight back... the best fun is when its a contest.

So I don't lump me in with that group.

I'll assume you mean PC as in politically correct... yeah that's not me to start with either. So you 0 for 2. You know what they say about assumptions...

I wish ppl would embrace both sides of the game. This weird divide is ridiculous to me.

I do dislike people who feel they are entitled to everything in the game because they payed for the game.

You pay to play the game. The rules of the game are set by the developers.
The conditions for attaining items are set by the devs and they mixed PvE and PvP content. I don't play games without a PvP component.

You want to look like shriveled prune with the soul shriven skin you have to go to IC. IC is a PvP zone.
I've never done a Bruma quest, but if you want to do it, it's in Cyro, PvP Zone and there might be enemy players.
Either you learn to PvP or you don't do the quests. What is the problem?

I'll never get the Emperor title, because I can't be bothered to do what is needed to get it.
I might never get all the vet trial HM achievements because I am not at that level and because of time and timing I can't commit to a high end trials guild/group properly.
I'm ok with not getting the vMoL skin. I don't make topics about it.
I don't like snipers in pvp, but it is in the game. I really dislike that play style. I deal with it by hitting every bow user I come across as hard as possible.

I voted NO on this topc, because ppl can't be bothered to play the game the way it's set out and cry about it.
I guess it's not very PC to dislike entitlement....

I know some PvP players can be toxic, but as we can see there is toxic jerks on both sides....

So you want PvE players to do PvP in a mixed zone, but don't want PvP players having to do PvE in a mixed zone?

Huh, the living image of irony.

Not sure how you interpret his post that way. Did you even read it?

To your point though. Most PvPers would probably be just fine with removing all pve quests form Cyrodiil

idk

No. (Comment Why.)

It is not about lore. It is about choice and the devs clearly made Cyrodiil an PvP area and locked behind it a sizable number of skill points (65) and some powerful ultimates and skills that any serious tank or healer and stam builds are required to have.

Looking at it it seems pretty obvious and clear it was all intentional. Nothing to do with lore.

CaptainInfested

No. (Comment Why.)

Bruccius wrote: »

I didn't know that in lore there were a total of 20 Vestiges, all of which defeated Molag Bal....

This isn't tied to PvP now, is it? You presented a claim that PvP is not justified by lore, which it is.

Now let's address the other part of your claim.

This kind of an issue (every player in a MMO being the main, usually the most powerful, hero, let's name it "The Chosen One" - this is the Vestige in ESO) is handled differently in various MMOs. Just one example: in SWTOR there are "companions", which are named NPCs with backstories, tied to your character. Whenever you encounter other players with the same companions, they are instead named "such-and-such's Companion". Similar with the NPCs in escort quests, etc.

The general idea is that yes, only your character is "The Chosen One". The fact that everyone else is also the same "Chosen One" is covered up to maintain an acceptable level of immersion.

Rake

Get out

Undefwun

No. (Comment Why.)

Bruccius wrote: »

So you want PvE players to do PvP in a mixed zone, but don't want PvP players having to do PvE in a mixed zone?

Huh, the living image of irony.

You are the worst person to debate with, that made no sense. Just arguing for arguing sake.

Maybe I used to many words. Here's a TLDR version.

I play both PvE and PvP
Play the game as created (mixed content in some areas)
I don't like entitled acting people

How you got that non-sense you wrote from what I said I don't know.

But again proved you are just as bad as the people you say are ruining the game.

Merlin13KAGL

Maybe. (Comment advised but optional.)

Bruccius wrote: »

@Merlin13KAGL
''They don't give a damn about lore''
You sure about that?
https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Blademaster_Jauffre
https://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Seventh_Legion

Ok, let me clear.

When I said "they," I meant "you."

You.

You don't a *** about the lore aspect. You're hiding like a little *** behind that banner in hopes that people won't notice you're a little ***.

Bruccius wrote: »

CaptainInfested wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

Quests are part of the lore, the GankForce#500 is not.

AvA is part of the lore. In this period of Tamriel's history, there is a three faction war going on in Cyrodiil due to the Empire being overrun by Daedra. If you are in the way of a military force moving to conquer a position, of course you will get killed. Simply move out of the way and hide, just as your character would do in such a situation.

Or, you know, help your faction by joining a similar military force and don't go alone. Watch out for LFG in chat and ask for invite.

I didn't know that in lore there were a total of 20 Vestiges, all of which defeated Molag Bal....

PvP is not part of the lore, it's part of the gameplay.

Apparently you also don't know this is not a single player game, which is clearly where you should be. (And the multiple vestige thing has actually been explained quite eloquently in another thread by people much smarter than me and monumentally smarter than you.)

There are plenty of non-lore aspects you don't take issue with, such as being able to tether big scary things that might hurt you. In single player games, things would aggro half way across the map. But you don't want that, because that, too, would make the game harder for you.

Let me give one final story: Bill plays ESO. Bill wants to experience every zone, but only on his terms. Bill is especially afraid of big, bad Cyrodiil. Bill wants to be able to take his character and all his pets and mounts (the Donkey is is favorite) into Cyrodiil, but he's scared they'll get hurt, lose absolutely nothing but some time, and maybe even have to rez at a wayshrine.

Bill's decided there may be a workaround. If he can work it into the lore that everything he loves is made of candy, his pets, his mounts, then they would be immune to the hoards of PvP'ers out to get him. As it turns out, no matter how many irrelevant internet links he provides, no matter how much he tries to speak for the oddly absent and silent masses, the Devs simply won't see it his way.

So, here's what I recommend for Bill: Stay the *** out of Cyrodiil. Period. 'cause at this point, I'd take a day off from work to make him miserable if I had any inkling that a given character was his, not because that's what I'd normally do, but because Bill strikes me as pathetic human being, for more reasons than I possibly have time to list here.

Since Bill can't get his wish, and Bill refuses to adapt, Bill can't manage to take his Candy Ass into the zone, he should go play something else or at least somewhere else.

Your sorry attempt to justify this has become worse than pathetic. Stay away, STFU, and just let it go.

Thank God this game is not just about you.

Everyone else it thinking it. I'm happy to say it.

Luckylancer

No. (Comment Why.)

This game is extremely pacifist at pve. I cant even atack enemy in my capital. But snowflakes still want to gather flowers in warzone.

Reistr_the_Unbroken

Maybe. (Comment advised but optional.)

Kel wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

@Merlin13KAGL

You're missing the point. As said, nobody is complaining about PvP players attacking Keeps (not like they can't be done in PvE, but that aside).

The whole ''there are always ways not to engage'' is a weak argument. It's a PvP/PvE zone, so why should PvE players who just want to PvE have to go through great effort and bothersome sidetracking in order to do what they want to do, while PvP players can just walk around not caring? No one is saying PvP should be removed, what the PvE community is saying is that PvP and PvE do not mix well. PvE suffers at the expense of PvP in a mixed zone. This is a fact, and the problem in that fact doesn't lie with the people who do not seek to engage with other players.

You're also missing the entire point about suffering. Notice the key difference here; PvE players have to be cautious because of PvP players while doing PvE content. PvP players have to be cautious becauce of PvE content while trying to obtain a PvE set. Notice it? Both do PvE, but guess which one is getting the worst part out of their deal?

PvP is very different from PvE, there is plenty of reason to want PvP to be treated differently from PvE, PvE npcs don't gank, PvE npcs scurry away when you get far enough away from them, PvE npcs don't use 50+ abilities within a timespan of a minute... PvP players, not so much.

You're still yet to come with a good argument why PvP and PvE should be mixed, when it's become so clear, even through your own comments, that PvE players have to change their playstile to be able to do PvE in this ''mixed zone''.

The issue is that you want to keep pvp rewards.

If you want a pve cyrodiil it should not reward any kind of AP, Telvar or other rare IC rewards/achievements - those are pvp rewards and should be kept for pvp environments.

Tell me, oh wise one, how can something be a PvP reward if you can achieve it without doing PvP?

You can?
Guess you don't need a PvE Cyrodiil after all.

We're not in it solely for the rewards, genius.

You sound like a spoiled child demanding to play with other kids toys when you got a toy box full of your own.

Good luck with that. With your toxic attitude, I'm glad you don't come into Cyrodiil. It's a far better place without you.

PvP players don't have ''toys'', though... Toys in your context refers to PvE content, after all, my ''box of toys'' (Zones filled with PvE Content), is the same kind of ''Toy'' found within Cyrodiil (other PvE content).

Am I glad that the PvP community is slowly dying off. Never been so glad that ZOS doesn't give a damn about the PvP playerbase.

Enjoy your temper tantrum. I look forward to "ganking" you...on my sorc no less (even though I don't think you know what ganking is) on your next visit to Cyrodiil.

Remember, you are never safe in a PvP zone, "genius", that's what it's designed for.

Even sweeter knowing your complaint is moot...you'll never get what you're asking for.
Enjoy your pointless rage...
No need to respond to you futher.

Think I'll spend some time around quest givers in Cyrodiil ...just because you've inspired me to do so....

Good thing the Skin and pet can be bought in guild traders so nobody has to go to PvP land anymore.

Reistr_the_Unbroken

Maybe. (Comment advised but optional.)

Also @ZoS please let this thread die.

static_recharge

No. (Comment Why.)

Even though I'm not an avid PvP player (only go a couple times a month with my guild) I still don't think there should be a PvE Cyrodiil. It's an active warzone. There will be (and should be) risks for wandering around alone. Yes I understand that some people just want to experience the story but if this was implemented the way you described then PvP Cyrodiil would have no population at all. Why would you go fight other people when you could still get AP from the PvE version. Yes I know you said it was halved. Many people would still flock to that version instead of having to fight other players.

Also, if the population limits for each campaign in PvE were the same as the current PvP campaigns then I bet you would still have lag issues due to the servers having to relay information for so many people still. Therefore I'm not sure you'd see much, if any, performance improvement.

radiostar

TequilaFire wrote: »

Just take all the PvE crap out of Cyrodiil - problem solved.
Performance will improve with less players there that don't PvP.

This is probably the best solution. The last mmo I played before ESO was FE and their pvp zones, scattered throughout the pve zones, had resources that were not unique but just more plentiful. The pvp vendors had lower prices on everything, the nodes were much more available than anywhere else (because you must fight over them). You didn't get behind on the game just because you didn't pvp.

Did you miss out on particular vendor discounts? Particular gear that was only useful in pvp? Sure. But it did not stop progress in the game. That's probably the best way to do Cyro. But if you think about it, you don't particularly need the skyshards from Cyro. Every pve update gives more skyshards. Is it the story? Just make the story (or a synopsis) available in pve zones. Is it the fishing? Make the fishes available, after you complete ALL pve zones fishes content, inside your Alliance Capital only for the fishing achievement.

What else do you need from Cyro as a pve player? Yes, it's the largest zone in the game. But you spend a lot of time on the horse or sneaking past the terrain to get to a fight.

radiostar

And if Z makes a pve player friendly Cyro, do we need the Guild Traders?
The original implementation of buying/selling outside of your own guild store only in Cyro should work, because there is no threat involved for pve players.
Just go to a Cyro Keep and browse and purchase (much like going to Cyro to visit the Golden even though you have no intention to pvp).

ZOS_RogerJ

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