Templars PvP - Detailed Guide, Suggestions, Advice, etc. - Elsweyr

DokThor90

What do U guys think about

Dark elf
Rattlecage Front
Shackle
vSMA resto backbar
Trollking
Lingering health potion
3x protective

For No CP?

Dual swords.

EtTuBrutus

DokThor90 wrote: »

What do U guys think about

Dark elf
Rattlecage Front
Shackle
vSMA resto backbar
Trollking
Lingering health potion
3x protective

For No CP?

Dual swords.

Drop rattle for a good set

DokThor90

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

DokThor90 wrote: »

What do U guys think about

Dark elf
Rattlecage Front
Shackle
vSMA resto backbar
Trollking
Lingering health potion
3x protective

For No CP?

Dual swords.

Drop rattle for a good set

Depends, for my build 5pc of rattle is

100 spell dmg
10% mag/HP/stam regen permanent.
Major sorcerery

Not too Bad, since I wanna use lingering health potions.

EtTuBrutus

What's stopping you from running them? The skill you would have to give up to slot degeneration makes lingering health pots possible?

Waffennacht

Spell power pots are addictive AF, think of another set and get addicted bud @DokThor90

Ariades_swe

So I see many magplars using Steed mundus and 1 Swift but wouldnt 3 swift and Mage mundus net me more magicka and more speedboost if jewelry is gold?
2 swift and mage -->> steed in raw stats and speed right?

Minno

Ariades_swe wrote: »

So I see many magplars using Steed mundus and 1 Swift but wouldnt 3 swift and Mage mundus net me more magicka and more speedboost if jewelry is gold?
2 swift and mage -->> steed in raw stats and speed right?

If jewelry is gold, is the key word there

You also lose 3x protective. I guess it's preference

Jimmy_The_Fixer

Honestly fitting more stamina sustain into your build is probably a better solution than raw speed. Sprint is vastly more effective than passive speed boosts and combined with major exp from RAT (or swap-canceling mist form) gives you all the mobility you’ll ever need.

And while speed is a more situational stat, stamina is a versatile resource that can be used for mitigation through blocking and dodging for when the speed isn’t useful.

Ariades_swe

Minno wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

So I see many magplars using Steed mundus and 1 Swift but wouldnt 3 swift and Mage mundus net me more magicka and more speedboost if jewelry is gold?
2 swift and mage -->> steed in raw stats and speed right?

If jewelry is gold, is the key word there

You also lose 3x protective. I guess it's preference

Totally forgot about protective. I'd have to run fortified or something then but I really like my Cyro light overwhelming build atm.

Minno

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

So I see many magplars using Steed mundus and 1 Swift but wouldnt 3 swift and Mage mundus net me more magicka and more speedboost if jewelry is gold?
2 swift and mage -->> steed in raw stats and speed right?

If jewelry is gold, is the key word there

You also lose 3x protective. I guess it's preference

Totally forgot about protective. I'd have to run fortified or something then but I really like my Cyro light overwhelming build atm.

You could do 1pc pirate, 1pc whatever stat you need (I'm thinking kena). Then do 2x Swift 1x arcane and then select whatever offense mundas you want. That might be the most efficient way to get your defensive jewel stats converted. If you pair that with lover that might be decent, since you can't get penetration as easily you can mag/SD.

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

Honestly fitting more stamina sustain into your build is probably a better solution than raw speed. Sprint is vastly more effective than passive speed boosts and combined with major exp from RAT (or swap-canceling mist form) gives you all the mobility you’ll ever need.

And while speed is a more situational stat, stamina is a versatile resource that can be used for mitigation through blocking and dodging for when the speed isn’t useful.

Burst Sprint with restoring focus. You hardly waste Stam and get some Stam for blocks . You can get 2100 effective Regen with ele drain and raw Regen, with restoring you'll get like 1k-1100 effective Stam Regen with the rune.

Jimmy_The_Fixer

The opportunity cost of using Stam rune isn’t worth it IMO, since Stam regen is less valuable on account of being a support stat while mag regen is a core stat for magplar. Having mag rune+ele drain gives enough sustain to pump more spelldam through gear.

Stamina may be more useful than passive speed and support stats are important, but I’d be careful about lowering my spellcaster stats unless absolutely necessary.

Ariades_swe

One of the main reasons I used swift in the past was that it made puncturing sweeps much easier to land.
I stopped using it after the nerf but will try again and see.

Minno

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

The opportunity cost of using Stam rune isn’t worth it IMO, since Stam regen is less valuable on account of being a support stat while mag regen is a core stat for magplar. Having mag rune+ele drain gives enough sustain to pump more spelldam through gear.

Stamina may be more useful than passive speed and support stats are important, but I’d be careful about lowering my spellcaster stats unless absolutely necessary.

I thought the same thing, till I realized I was dying due to trying to run templar without vamp and 14k stam pool with 600 regen.

Sure some templars can that low stam, but some cant. And it wasnt too long ago when amberplasm was being used to get 1k stam regen. So that meta is still important.

Minno

Ariades_swe wrote: »

One of the main reasons I used swift in the past was that it made puncturing sweeps much easier to land.
I stopped using it after the nerf but will try again and see.

steed is a good test before wasting the gems. If the speed works for you in this case, then use the gems,.

Jimmy_The_Fixer

Amber plasm is a good set for Stam sustain because it’s overstatted due to having a mix of mag and stam, same thing with tri-glyphs, shackle, tri-food, D-elf/H-elf, vamp passive, tri-pot et cetera.

Abusing overstatted stat sources is the efficient path to getting stam sustain where trading mag for stam at a 1/1 ratio leaves room for optimization.

EtTuBrutus

If u have dw/snb/2h u can run 12.5k stam and 700 stam regen easily. 1 toppling into a heavy attack will restore enough to cc break. I dropped shackle for more dmg and snb due to this and haven't had an issue once. Just take active thought.

EtTuBrutus

u should always use prismatic armor glyphs imo

Minno

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

If u have dw/snb/2h u can run 12.5k stam and 700 stam regen easily. 1 toppling into a heavy attack will restore enough to cc break. I dropped shackle for more dmg and snb due to this and haven't had an issue once. Just take active thought.

Just tried both to compare. If you arent offensive, you wont benefit from the stam from off balance heavy attack. So you do feel the 700 stam recovery/14lk stam pool harder.

Restoring does put a drain on mag resources, but assuming you have a mag pot with ele drain, you can go restoring. Then again I am imperial but I can see that stam bar move up between offense/defense which is a benefit to me.

I also dropped shackle for bright but went trans to boost some mix regen/defense. Likely why I felt the need for restoring rune over channeled in this case.

EtTuBrutus

Not sure why you don't think you'd benefit if on defense. Block cast htd into toppling with a heavy attack after is a great way to reset a fight.

syntaxx

Hey guys I’m new to eso just hit 50 and only 30 CP but was wondering. If someone could point me in a good direction for like a nice healer/support temp build for pvp I saw a guardplar online looked really cool but I got all my attributes in Magicka anyway , thanks again

Minno

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Not sure why you don't think you'd benefit if on defense. Block cast htd into toppling with a heavy attack after is a great way to reset a fight.

im usually taken dmg in that toppling. hence more aggressive. I

HankTwo

So, what do you guys prefer this patch on (melee) magplar: vampire with mistform or non-vamp with race against time?

StarOfElyon

I actually dropped RaT this time as a melee-magplar. I'm not vamp either. It's not worth dropping one of my other skills. I think I'm better off just trying to heal through being rooted.

I just put 10 points into stam, wear innate axiom, put well-fitted on my shield, and use my focus tune often to restore stamina. It's enough to make me a little harder to lock down. The trouble comes when I'm focused by multiple magsorcs who are spamming force shock and destructive touch to waste my stamina. And if they drop negate, which is often, then I can't even use my magic every couple of seconds to regen some stamina. But to me, that's just getting more appealing that dropping needed class skills like a purge or total dark.

technohic

HankTwo wrote: »

So, what do you guys prefer this patch on (melee) magplar: vampire with mistform or non-vamp with race against time?

I used RAT for a little speed and brief immunity along with a damage boost. I felt like with vamp gets hit hard but I've seen people effectively use it still.

StarOfElyon

syntaxx wrote: »

Hey guys I’m new to eso just hit 50 and only 30 CP but was wondering. If someone could point me in a good direction for like a nice healer/support temp build for pvp I saw a guardplar online looked really cool but I got all my attributes in Magicka anyway , thanks again

Try Sherman's Gaming

https://youtu.be/r5SBgFpkfLo

EtTuBrutus

StarOfElyon wrote: »

I actually dropped RaT this time as a melee-magplar. I'm not vamp either. It's not worth dropping one of my other skills. I think I'm better off just trying to heal through being rooted.

I just put 10 points into stam, wear innate axiom, put well-fitted on my shield, and use my focus tune often to restore stamina. It's enough to make me a little harder to lock down. The trouble comes when I'm focused by multiple magsorcs who are spamming force shock and destructive touch to waste my stamina. And if they drop negate, which is often, then I can't even use my magic every couple of seconds to regen some stamina. But to me, that's just getting more appealing that dropping needed class skills like a purge or total dark.

You're crazy. Gaining immunity and speed to run through can stop a while combo, get you to los, or give you the ability to get out if range. Movement is what separates Good players from great. And i don't mean simply los kiting.

syntaxx

Uh didn’t see much value on Sherman’s site for Templar’s pvp build help was hoping one of y’all experts would throw me a bone for support/heals Templar pvp build BG.

Minno

syntaxx wrote: »

Uh didn’t see much value on Sherman’s site for Templar’s pvp build help was hoping one of y’all experts would throw me a bone for support/heals Templar pvp build BG.

Up to you to decide, I listed great beginner info and sets. The spirit of the thread is testing for yourself and then reporting back .

StarOfElyon

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

I actually dropped RaT this time as a melee-magplar. I'm not vamp either. It's not worth dropping one of my other skills. I think I'm better off just trying to heal through being rooted.

I just put 10 points into stam, wear innate axiom, put well-fitted on my shield, and use my focus tune often to restore stamina. It's enough to make me a little harder to lock down. The trouble comes when I'm focused by multiple magsorcs who are spamming force shock and destructive touch to waste my stamina. And if they drop negate, which is often, then I can't even use my magic every couple of seconds to regen some stamina. But to me, that's just getting more appealing that dropping needed class skills like a purge or total dark.

You're crazy. Gaining immunity and speed to run through can stop a while combo, get you to los, or give you the ability to get out if range. Movement is what separates Good players from great. And i don't mean simply los kiting.

These are my bars:.

#1 eclipse, radiant spears, solar Barrage, vampires bane, puncturing sweeps, crescent sweep

#2 restoring focus, ritual of Retribution, honor the dead, aurora javelin, radiant oppression, rite of passage

Every time I take one of those out, I regret it.

Datolite

StarOfElyon wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

I actually dropped RaT this time as a melee-magplar. I'm not vamp either. It's not worth dropping one of my other skills. I think I'm better off just trying to heal through being rooted.

I just put 10 points into stam, wear innate axiom, put well-fitted on my shield, and use my focus tune often to restore stamina. It's enough to make me a little harder to lock down. The trouble comes when I'm focused by multiple magsorcs who are spamming force shock and destructive touch to waste my stamina. And if they drop negate, which is often, then I can't even use my magic every couple of seconds to regen some stamina. But to me, that's just getting more appealing that dropping needed class skills like a purge or total dark.

You're crazy. Gaining immunity and speed to run through can stop a while combo, get you to los, or give you the ability to get out if range. Movement is what separates Good players from great. And i don't mean simply los kiting.

These are my bars:.

#1 eclipse, radiant spears, solar Barrage, vampires bane, puncturing sweeps, crescent sweep

#2 restoring focus, ritual of Retribution, honor the dead, aurora javelin, radiant oppression, rite of passage

Every time I take one of those out, I regret it.

Do you mean blazing spear?
I would drop that for RAT. Also switch to other ritual morph. Also don't need two CCs. Plenty of room in there.