Templars PvP - Detailed Guide, Suggestions, Advice, etc. - Elsweyr

Minno

Kartalin wrote: »

One thing I tried with my magDK that should be about the same on magplar: bright throat (double bloody mara), spinners front bar, willpower back bar, 1 pirate skeleton, 1 domihaus, full tristat, 1 protective 2 arcane, lover mundus, on a Nord.

In nCP this was (with armor buff) 24k physical resistance, 29k spell resistance, 24k health, 31k mag, and 12.5k stam. Also 15k spell pen with ele drain.

I haven’t fully tested it but it has worked pretty well so far. Still need to level psijic for RAT so I can drop vampire.

If we could get sustain high enough, theres a case for two offense sets, pirate/chudan full arcane and 10k light armor shield with resto backbar.

Kartalin

With two recovery enchants I was at 1450 I think, then ele drain and channeled. Lower spell damage though, like 2k buffed but the high spell pen is good. Could go Apprentice instead of Lover for higher spell damage/less spell pen for a more balanced setup for better heals.

technohic

You guys relying on tri-stat glyphs for stam using Bright throat?

Kartalin

technohic wrote: »

You guys relying on tri-stat glyphs for stam using Bright throat?

Depends on a few choices I think. I like to get to 13k in nCP (which is over 15k in CP). There are multiple ways to do that, ultimately you may end up using Spring loaded infusion over double bloody mara.

Unfortunately the need for stamina doesn’t scale down in non cp which is one more reason stam is strong in that format.

Methariorn

technohic wrote: »

You guys relying on tri-stat glyphs for stam using Bright throat?

Yep, I got tri-stats even on small piece. It's decent with bloody mara and good with infusion.

Minno

technohic wrote: »

You guys relying on tri-stat glyphs for stam using Bright throat?

Tri stat on main. Restoring rune/DW/imperial passives for sustain. So I technically have 1193 stamina sustain without a set in addition to the DW heavies, which isn't bad. Older Templar builds used to slot amberplasm just to get 1300 lol.

technohic

Hmm I've just stuck to shacklebreaker and nord. Was running trifood but I like the health and mag recovery of the gold food and seem to be sustaining ok. My 1h shield heal/defense bar is nirnhoned and I have a stam steal glyphs on it but they are minor and cant really count on it as I run toppling charge on there and usually just have a weave on that for the smaller chance.

If I struggle eventually, my magicka sustain might be high so may swap focus for stam return

CatchMeTrolling

Adding some stamplar to the thread

https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/zerg-me-down/video/75672364

Stx

Why have I seen people saying to use dual wield on a magicka build? I know you get 6% damage from swords, but destro staff has 8% to single target or aoe, and destro also has ranged light/heavy attacks and they will hit a lot harder no?

Waffennacht

Stx wrote: »

Why have I seen people saying to use dual wield on a magicka build? I know you get 6% damage from swords, but destro staff has 8% to single target or aoe, and destro also has ranged light/heavy attacks and they will hit a lot harder no?

DW will help both kinds + heals.

It's about personal preference

EtTuBrutus

@Stx They're typically 1 trick pony builds relying more on combos than rotations with sustained pressure.

Minno

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

@Stx They're typically 1 trick pony builds relying more on combos than rotations with sustained pressure.

its about 1535 extra raw SD added to stats if you use nirn main. To put that into perspective, that's like running two fury sets at 100% proc and still has 67 SD more lol.

miteba

Minno wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

@Stx They're typically 1 trick pony builds relying more on combos than rotations with sustained pressure.

its about 1535 extra raw SD added to stats if you use nirn main. To put that into perspective, that's like running two fury sets at 100% proc and still has 67 SD more lol.

So much? 🙄
I used DW so many patches ago that i dont even remember well

Minno

miteba wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

@Stx They're typically 1 trick pony builds relying more on combos than rotations with sustained pressure.

its about 1535 extra raw SD added to stats if you use nirn main. To put that into perspective, that's like running two fury sets at 100% proc and still has 67 SD more lol.

So much? 🙄
I used DW so many patches ago that i dont even remember well

non nirn staff is only 1335 dmg. That is the dmg of the off-hand sword alone. Main nirn is like 1535.
You do trade light attack pressure for those stats. I can get 3800-3900 with beserker enchant on just DW swords. A staff build needs a 5pc set to make the difference on the nirn main alone.

Minno

And if you look at the build editor, lightign staff light attack is only like 2k lol. LA one hand is 3172 lol

EtTuBrutus

Minno wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

@Stx They're typically 1 trick pony builds relying more on combos than rotations with sustained pressure.

its about 1535 extra raw SD added to stats if you use nirn main. To put that into perspective, that's like running two fury sets at 100% proc and still has 67 SD more lol.

Lol but it's not 1535 MORE than a nirn lightning staff with the 8%dmg boost.

Minno

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

@Stx They're typically 1 trick pony builds relying more on combos than rotations with sustained pressure.

its about 1535 extra raw SD added to stats if you use nirn main. To put that into perspective, that's like running two fury sets at 100% proc and still has 67 SD more lol.

Lol but it's not 1535 MORE than a nirn lightning staff with the 8%dmg boost.

5% DMG and the extra 1535. Idk how to tally that into DMG boosted, but every build t tried to setup was harder to pass 4k sweeps tooltip under staff than swords. So I think it's more than the 8% you get from staff, and you can heavy attack two enchants while getting stamina.

I think there still benefit for swords if running sweeps. Especially those that can't connect light attacks as much.

EtTuBrutus

There's no way id be sitting at 5k spell dmg by simply sh

Minno wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

@Stx They're typically 1 trick pony builds relying more on combos than rotations with sustained pressure.

its about 1535 extra raw SD added to stats if you use nirn main. To put that into perspective, that's like running two fury sets at 100% proc and still has 67 SD more lol.

Lol but it's not 1535 MORE than a nirn lightning staff with the 8%dmg boost.

5% DMG and the extra 1535. Idk how to tally that into DMG boosted, but every build t tried to setup was harder to pass 4k sweeps tooltip under staff than swords. So I think it's more than the 8% you get from staff, and you can heavy attack two enchants while getting stamina.

I think there still benefit for swords if running sweeps. Especially those that can't connect light attacks as much.

The off hand adds 37 or something ridiculously low, not 1535.

ccmedaddy

Minno wrote: »

And if you look at the build editor, lightign staff light attack is only like 2k lol. LA one hand is 3172 lol

wait wat

EtTuBrutus

Duel nirn dw adds 272 ddmg over nirn lightning staff. Nirn plus sharpened adds 237 more dmg.

EtTuBrutus

But that includes the 6% for 2 swords. The 2680 base i have does not reflect the 8% ddmg bonus of lightning to aoe skills.

EtTuBrutus

3016 sweeps tooltip with nirn lightning staff, 3129 with 2x nirn dw. Both tested with same exact stats, only difference was dw vs lightning

EtTuBrutus

1177 main hand and 576 hand light attack dmg on a voriplasm dummy. 2771 with a lightning staff.

Minno

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

3016 sweeps tooltip with nirn lightning staff, 3129 with 2x nirn dw. Both tested with same exact stats, only difference was dw vs lightning

What traits?

EtTuBrutus

Minno wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

3016 sweeps tooltip with nirn lightning staff, 3129 with 2x nirn dw. Both tested with same exact stats, only difference was dw vs lightning

What traits?

That was with nirn lightning staff vs 2 nirn swords. Nirn/ sharpened hit for slightly more than double nirn as expected.

Minno

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

3016 sweeps tooltip with nirn lightning staff, 3129 with 2x nirn dw. Both tested with same exact stats, only difference was dw vs lightning

What traits?

That was with nirn lightning staff vs 2 nirn swords. Nirn/ sharpened hit for slightly more than double nirn as expected.

Yea never use noirn of hand lol

Edit:
Without beserker enchant mine was 3500 tooltip versus 3300. With beserker it rises to 4k, lighting gets 3600. Two hander is there most but off hand percise/sharpened wedged it out.

StarOfElyon

I was wondering if the last two nights were flukes. Doesn't look like it. I've been playing for three hours tonight and I haven't won a single Deathmatch. I'm spending too much time spamming HTD. This patch is horrible.

EtTuBrutus

Minno wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

3016 sweeps tooltip with nirn lightning staff, 3129 with 2x nirn dw. Both tested with same exact stats, only difference was dw vs lightning

What traits?

That was with nirn lightning staff vs 2 nirn swords. Nirn/ sharpened hit for slightly more than double nirn as expected.

Yea never use noirn of hand lol

Edit:
Without beserker enchant mine was 3500 tooltip versus 3300. With beserker it rises to 4k, lighting gets 3600. Two hander is there most but off hand percise/sharpened wedged it out.

I took off my 5pc sets so the stats didn't change. I forget what i was wearing but it was a big mix lol.

Methariorn

I wonna give a try to clever alchemist with bright..but again begin imperial I feel like having too much hp

Firstmep

Methariorn wrote: »

I wonna give a try to clever alchemist with bright..but again begin imperial I feel like having too much hp

My magden is imperial atm and im suprised how well the race works for mag.
Just dont use tristat glyphs and your hp should be fine.