Templars PvP - Detailed Guide, Suggestions, Advice, etc. - Elsweyr

Methariorn

Red diamond is very good for sustain. Dummer would had been another good pick for the stats and the spell power.

EtTuBrutus

I'll be farming crafty alfiq today to pair with bright throat. Prismatic on big, protective jewelry, blood spawn. Need to really evaluate drinks though. Didn't realize the nerf to which mothers was so massive. It's not even 2k magicka.

miteba

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

I'll be farming crafty alfiq today to pair with bright throat. Prismatic on big, protective jewelry, blood spawn. Need to really evaluate drinks though. Didn't realize the nerf to which mothers was so massive. It's not even 2k magicka.

I would say "spring loaded infusion" since it's a drink, and cheaper because it's a epic one

Akinos

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

I'll be farming crafty alfiq today to pair with bright throat. Prismatic on big, protective jewelry, blood spawn. Need to really evaluate drinks though. Didn't realize the nerf to which mothers was so massive. It's not even 2k magicka.

Huh? Witchmothers got nerfed by 12% or whatever the patch notes said, it's still almost 3k magicka and 3k heath.

EtTuBrutus

My eyes must have been playing games, you're right akinos.

Stx

Minno wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

@Stx They're typically 1 trick pony builds relying more on combos than rotations with sustained pressure.

its about 1535 extra raw SD added to stats if you use nirn main. To put that into perspective, that's like running two fury sets at 100% proc and still has 67 SD more lol.

Oh wow for some reason I didn't know that swords damage added to spell damage, the way stats work in this game still confuse me even though I'm not new anymore

EtTuBrutus

@Minno im at 4103 sweeps tooltip with my typical set up using a lightning staff. Barrage is 4568. Blazing spear is at 8043/2381.

StarOfElyon

I tried dual swords at first but I needed more protection so I went with S&B. I thought I could be a balanced fighter in this game. I was getting close to the sweet spot. Then Elsweyr happened.

mursie

playing in non-cp. was running steadfast and cyrodiil's light but have swapped steadfast to shackle.

2pc valkyn
5 shackle
5 cyrodiil's light

5-1-1 Light as a high elf. lightning destro / resto

basically just degen/purify light on resto infused beserk to initiate - drain - bane - topple charge - jabs.

rinse / repeat

as with most other classes - LOS is our primary defense against the sorc oppression. godspeed

StarOfElyon

I'd probably do a lot better against the sorc oppression if they couldn't streak through me with only 15-20% health left, stunning me and allowing them to excape. But oh well.

Minno

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

@Minno im at 4103 sweeps tooltip with my typical set up using a lightning staff. Barrage is 4568. Blazing spear is at 8043/2381.

That solves it! both are largly the same lol.

2h light attack was criting for 5k for me. light was 6k crit on some pve mobs.
It boils down to:
- do you want more stam regen without wasting precious mag stats for stam regen? use 2h for kills and heavy attack
- do you like having ranged light attacks and heavy attack mag thats undodgable? use lighting
- do you want a single target ultimate that ignores resists while giving you cc imunity/snare imunity and absorbing enough resists to be resist to most penetration builds? 2h

EtTuBrutus

I actually love 2h passives. The heavy armor shackle amber set ups years ago were dope with them.

Minno

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

I actually love 2h passives. The heavy armor shackle amber set ups years ago were dope with them.

The Ult is solid as well. Like sweeps+solar barrage+blazing spear might be TOO much AOE and you might need a stronger single target burst to clench kills.

Still the strongest templar spec is DMG weapon front/ Block weapon back. You might be able to squeeze out the destro/resto setups, but that's magblade/magsorc territory and dual destro is magDK as well. I havent really seen the templar meta go those routes, instead crutching on SNB/Frost on backbars.

Nirnroot420

Minno wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

I actually love 2h passives. The heavy armor shackle amber set ups years ago were dope with them.

The Ult is solid as well. Like sweeps+solar barrage+blazing spear might be TOO much AOE and you might need a stronger single target burst to clench kills.

Still the strongest templar spec is DMG weapon front/ Block weapon back. You might be able to squeeze out the destro/resto setups, but that's magblade/magsorc territory and dual destro is magDK as well. I havent really seen the templar meta go those routes, instead crutching on SNB/Frost on backbars.

Yeah, I feel destro/resto only works well on classes with easier access to defensive buffs/better synergy with damage shields. It's a prime magsorc set-up, but not really great on magplar.

I disagree on the AOE part though, sweeps and barrage are still very effective in 1v1s, especially barrage as it sticks with you to backbar, allowing you to maintain offensive pressure while block-casting BoL and Blazing Spear remains a versatile skill you can launch on yourself to create an AoE death zone around yourself with barrage, or use from afar to harass groups, especially in BGs. Not to mention the group utility synergy of blazing spear is still very good.

My current front bar is glory/barrage/sweeps/reflective and blazing with DB ulti. In Cyro if solo ill switch out Blazing for a Clench or Purifying, but purifying is less than great these days imo.

EtTuBrutus

Minno wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

I actually love 2h passives. The heavy armor shackle amber set ups years ago were dope with them.

The Ult is solid as well. Like sweeps+solar barrage+blazing spear might be TOO much AOE and you might need a stronger single target burst to clench kills.

Still the strongest templar spec is DMG weapon front/ Block weapon back. You might be able to squeeze out the destro/resto setups, but that's magblade/magsorc territory and dual destro is magDK as well. I havent really seen the templar meta go those routes, instead crutching on SNB/Frost on backbars.

In cp ive hit over 10k crescents this patch, initial hit. I actually love the residual pulse and chance to proc burning light. More so than the resistance_immunity of 2h, even in no cp. It's super cheap and with bloodspawn i have it up ALL the time.

Minno

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

I actually love 2h passives. The heavy armor shackle amber set ups years ago were dope with them.

The Ult is solid as well. Like sweeps+solar barrage+blazing spear might be TOO much AOE and you might need a stronger single target burst to clench kills.

Still the strongest templar spec is DMG weapon front/ Block weapon back. You might be able to squeeze out the destro/resto setups, but that's magblade/magsorc territory and dual destro is magDK as well. I havent really seen the templar meta go those routes, instead crutching on SNB/Frost on backbars.

In cp ive hit over 10k crescents this patch, initial hit. I actually love the residual pulse and chance to proc burning light. More so than the resistance_immunity of 2h, even in no cp. It's super cheap and with bloodspawn i have it up ALL the time.

Cresent, 2h ult, DBoS. Only three ults that match Templar kit. I personally use DBoS because the stun actually helps outnumbered where cresent still let's them yolo multiple 15k attacks. One or two might die but the 3rd and 4th forced you on defense because you didn't stun them. Cresent +total dark is I think better because you force the enemy to cc break and in the same scenario forces the yolo players to heal you.

Minno

Stx wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

@Stx They're typically 1 trick pony builds relying more on combos than rotations with sustained pressure.

its about 1535 extra raw SD added to stats if you use nirn main. To put that into perspective, that's like running two fury sets at 100% proc and still has 67 SD more lol.

Oh wow for some reason I didn't know that swords damage added to spell damage, the way stats work in this game still confuse me even though I'm not new anymore

You should have seen the game at launch. All the weapons scaled off weapon DMG so you had to play with weird hybrid builds lol.

Datolite

Minno wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

I actually love 2h passives. The heavy armor shackle amber set ups years ago were dope with them.

The Ult is solid as well. Like sweeps+solar barrage+blazing spear might be TOO much AOE and you might need a stronger single target burst to clench kills.

Still the strongest templar spec is DMG weapon front/ Block weapon back. You might be able to squeeze out the destro/resto setups, but that's magblade/magsorc territory and dual destro is magDK as well. I havent really seen the templar meta go those routes, instead crutching on SNB/Frost on backbars.

In cp ive hit over 10k crescents this patch, initial hit. I actually love the residual pulse and chance to proc burning light. More so than the resistance_immunity of 2h, even in no cp. It's super cheap and with bloodspawn i have it up ALL the time.

Cresent, 2h ult, DBoS. Only three ults that match Templar kit.

Meteor ain't too shabby.


Btw does DB still scale proportionally with spell damage despite being a physical damage ult?

Also does lightning staff affect its AoE damage?

Nirnroot420

Datolite wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

I actually love 2h passives. The heavy armor shackle amber set ups years ago were dope with them.

The Ult is solid as well. Like sweeps+solar barrage+blazing spear might be TOO much AOE and you might need a stronger single target burst to clench kills.

Still the strongest templar spec is DMG weapon front/ Block weapon back. You might be able to squeeze out the destro/resto setups, but that's magblade/magsorc territory and dual destro is magDK as well. I havent really seen the templar meta go those routes, instead crutching on SNB/Frost on backbars.

In cp ive hit over 10k crescents this patch, initial hit. I actually love the residual pulse and chance to proc burning light. More so than the resistance_immunity of 2h, even in no cp. It's super cheap and with bloodspawn i have it up ALL the time.

Cresent, 2h ult, DBoS. Only three ults that match Templar kit.

Meteor ain't too shabby.


Btw does DB still scale proportionally with spell damage despite being a physical damage ult?

Also does lightning staff affect its AoE damage?

Lightning effects DB, yes, and it scales off whichever is higher. Physical pen might only effect it though rather than spell, but both Sharpened and Lover increase both spell and physical penetration.

Maxdevil

If I want a great build for 1v1 can shacklebreaker,overwhelming and 1kena/1skeleton be a good setup?

EtTuBrutus

Bright throat, crafty alfiq, bloodspawn was a blast yesterday. Good middle ground between shackle/btb and spinners btb

DokThor90

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Bright throat, crafty alfiq, bloodspawn was a blast yesterday. Good middle ground between shackle/btb and spinners btb

Ofc, but I dont see why U should go for max mag with Templar unless U wanna use harness as a proactive defense, since U have +10% more spell dmg passive.

EtTuBrutus

DokThor90 wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Bright throat, crafty alfiq, bloodspawn was a blast yesterday. Good middle ground between shackle/btb and spinners btb

Ofc, but I dont see why U should go for max mag with Templar unless U wanna use harness as a proactive defense, since U have +10% more spell dmg passive.

I was actually testing dampen yesterday. Ended up still switching to block htd though. Dampen doesn't compare. Remember purifying only scales on max mag too. Crafty alfiq is about 550 effective spell dmg too. Not many sets add that much damage while impacting your gass tank too.

DokThor90

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

DokThor90 wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Bright throat, crafty alfiq, bloodspawn was a blast yesterday. Good middle ground between shackle/btb and spinners btb

Ofc, but I dont see why U should go for max mag with Templar unless U wanna use harness as a proactive defense, since U have +10% more spell dmg passive.

I was actually testing dampen yesterday. Ended up still switching to block htd though. Dampen doesn't compare. Remember purifying only scales on max mag too. Crafty alfiq is about 550 effective spell dmg too. Not many sets add that much damage while impacting your gass tank too.

Well, I dont use purifying. But U are right, ressources are better with 40k mag AS with 30k, though I still prefer the sd because of minor sorcerery.

Minno

DokThor90 wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

DokThor90 wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Bright throat, crafty alfiq, bloodspawn was a blast yesterday. Good middle ground between shackle/btb and spinners btb

Ofc, but I dont see why U should go for max mag with Templar unless U wanna use harness as a proactive defense, since U have +10% more spell dmg passive.

I was actually testing dampen yesterday. Ended up still switching to block htd though. Dampen doesn't compare. Remember purifying only scales on max mag too. Crafty alfiq is about 550 effective spell dmg too. Not many sets add that much damage while impacting your gass tank too.

Well, I dont use purifying. But U are right, ressources are better with 40k mag AS with 30k, though I still prefer the sd because of minor sorcerery.

If you prefer the SD, that's another case for the swords over staff.

Akinos

Minno wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

I actually love 2h passives. The heavy armor shackle amber set ups years ago were dope with them.

The Ult is solid as well. Like sweeps+solar barrage+blazing spear might be TOO much AOE and you might need a stronger single target burst to clench kills.

Still the strongest templar spec is DMG weapon front/ Block weapon back. You might be able to squeeze out the destro/resto setups, but that's magblade/magsorc territory and dual destro is magDK as well. I havent really seen the templar meta go those routes, instead crutching on SNB/Frost on backbars.

In cp ive hit over 10k crescents this patch, initial hit. I actually love the residual pulse and chance to proc burning light. More so than the resistance_immunity of 2h, even in no cp. It's super cheap and with bloodspawn i have it up ALL the time.

Cresent, 2h ult, DBoS. Only three ults that match Templar kit. I personally use DBoS because the stun actually helps outnumbered where cresent still let's them yolo multiple 15k attacks. One or two might die but the 3rd and 4th forced you on defense because you didn't stun them. Cresent +total dark is I think better because you force the enemy to cc break and in the same scenario forces the yolo players to heal you.

The dual wield ult seems like it could be back on the table, at least for me and my build. I was using it earlier today for fun, and I was actually killing people with it. 75 points into thauma+10% off balance proc damage is huge imo. I was getting 2500+ crit ticks on people with it.

Minno

Akinos wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

I actually love 2h passives. The heavy armor shackle amber set ups years ago were dope with them.

The Ult is solid as well. Like sweeps+solar barrage+blazing spear might be TOO much AOE and you might need a stronger single target burst to clench kills.

Still the strongest templar spec is DMG weapon front/ Block weapon back. You might be able to squeeze out the destro/resto setups, but that's magblade/magsorc territory and dual destro is magDK as well. I havent really seen the templar meta go those routes, instead crutching on SNB/Frost on backbars.

In cp ive hit over 10k crescents this patch, initial hit. I actually love the residual pulse and chance to proc burning light. More so than the resistance_immunity of 2h, even in no cp. It's super cheap and with bloodspawn i have it up ALL the time.

Cresent, 2h ult, DBoS. Only three ults that match Templar kit. I personally use DBoS because the stun actually helps outnumbered where cresent still let's them yolo multiple 15k attacks. One or two might die but the 3rd and 4th forced you on defense because you didn't stun them. Cresent +total dark is I think better because you force the enemy to cc break and in the same scenario forces the yolo players to heal you.

The dual wield ult seems like it could be back on the table, at least for me and my build. I was using it earlier today for fun, and I was actually killing people with it. 75 points into thauma+10% off balance proc damage is huge imo. I was getting 2500+ non crit ticks on people with it.

I was thinking the same thing, but ultimately I never saw it deal DMG so I got rid of it lol. Maybe it was me and lag, if love to see some vids of it melting faces.

Akinos

Minno wrote: »

Akinos wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

I actually love 2h passives. The heavy armor shackle amber set ups years ago were dope with them.

The Ult is solid as well. Like sweeps+solar barrage+blazing spear might be TOO much AOE and you might need a stronger single target burst to clench kills.

Still the strongest templar spec is DMG weapon front/ Block weapon back. You might be able to squeeze out the destro/resto setups, but that's magblade/magsorc territory and dual destro is magDK as well. I havent really seen the templar meta go those routes, instead crutching on SNB/Frost on backbars.

In cp ive hit over 10k crescents this patch, initial hit. I actually love the residual pulse and chance to proc burning light. More so than the resistance_immunity of 2h, even in no cp. It's super cheap and with bloodspawn i have it up ALL the time.

Cresent, 2h ult, DBoS. Only three ults that match Templar kit. I personally use DBoS because the stun actually helps outnumbered where cresent still let's them yolo multiple 15k attacks. One or two might die but the 3rd and 4th forced you on defense because you didn't stun them. Cresent +total dark is I think better because you force the enemy to cc break and in the same scenario forces the yolo players to heal you.

The dual wield ult seems like it could be back on the table, at least for me and my build. I was using it earlier today for fun, and I was actually killing people with it. 75 points into thauma+10% off balance proc damage is huge imo. I was getting 2500+ non crit ticks on people with it.

I was thinking the same thing, but ultimately I never saw it deal DMG so I got rid of it lol. Maybe it was me and lag, if love to see some vids of it melting faces.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvTOCBzEDL4&feature=youtu.be
Ignore the background audio I was watching a show on my other monitor during this fight xD
Only footage I got of it today since I started using it, I was getting zerged down in really bad lag during the time I was online earlier. I think 2700 was the highest tick I got in this one fight. Which is pretty good when you consider its stacking on all of my other DoTS, sweeps, reflective light, and entropy, I might of had backbar poisons on too during that too. I'll keep using it and try to get some more fights recorded with it. The morph I use is Thrive in Chaos, did some testing with a friend and that morph does more damage.

Akinos

For pure damage, crescent, berserker strike and dawnbreaker are probaly better choices. I do really like that fact that lacerate also heals you for half of the damage it does, could let you go harder on offensive while it's ticking, especially if its on multiple targets and you have the thrive in chaos morph that does up to 30% more damage, depending on how many targets it hits.

Minno

Akinos wrote: »

For pure damage, crescent, berserker strike and dawnbreaker are probaly better choices. I do really like that fact that lacerate also heals you for half of the damage it does, could let you go harder on offensive while it's ticking, especially if its on multiple targets and you have the thrive in chaos morph that does up to 30% more damage, depending on how many targets it hits.

I started using it tonight and it's much better than the last time I used it lol. Fighting two targets and you clip them, is likely the most ideal amount you want. Trying to find the best situation for it is interesting; I think you burn down with other abilities then toppling into thrive followed by more jabs.