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Templars PvP - Detailed Guide, Suggestions, Advice, etc. - Elsweyr
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Datolite✭✭✭✭✭Any self respecting solo mag templar will still run mist.
Stop joking around with RAT. The other morph is useful in tower fights just for the buff and major expedition to navigate around quickly for sweep hit chance.
The ones who dont run mist will be baked potatos in half the encounters next patch due to increased damage outputs overall. Dont forget major defiling necros everywhere.
If you're worried about damage then maybe being a vamp isn't such a good idea.
Most of the time when I use mist it's to get out of a root. 2 seconds of immunity on RAT may not be stellar but it's enough to reposition. Plus I can get in a HtD and a purge between casts, and my regen isn't on pause, and it's much faster. As a melee magplar I can also afford a dodge if I need it.
No more mist crutch for me. Vamp is going out of style and it's about time.
dodge roll cancel purge then cast RAT+sprint. Ive gotten outside of 28M range spells this way before, while ignoring more ranged snares. Sadly you kinda are stuck in using shacklebreaker for the extra stam use or 5x well fitted with impreg.
And you need steed+1swift minimum. Once you do this, I personally welcome you to the monk meta along with @Waffennacht and @Dottzgaming lol. It's slowly gaining ground and I am happy!
That sounds close to what I was running a few months ago and I got whispers from people about how annoying I was to kill LOL. Didn't have the greatest burst though. I'm hoping my Imperial blood and maybe a couple of stam enchants will make up for me ditching Shackle for Auroran, then I can keep the burst and the speed and be able to dodge a bit.
I'll let you guys know if I get on the Steed train again Haha.Edited by Datolite on May 10, 2019 2:52PM0 -
miteba✭✭✭✭I like the speed builds in overland content, because we already are bursty semi-gods there... But in PVP errrr, it is great to be speedy and use it to our advantage but the loss of damage is visible too, and because we already are a non-burst class, i prefer to feel more powerful than speedy.
@Mr_Nobody As for vampirism, i love the speed in stealth, the ultimate, the regen, the mitigation passive and mist form but i slowly became with a feeling of more vulnerability in comparison with not being vampire.
So i cured it about one year ago and still have the feeling that i survive better without it, in a large spectrum.
I miss mist form obviously but thats my feedback, maybe i will try it again in future, depending of the feedback in Elsweyr.0 -
Mr_Nobody✭✭✭✭✭Any self respecting solo mag templar will still run mist.
Stop joking around with RAT. The other morph is useful in tower fights just for the buff and major expedition to navigate around quickly for sweep hit chance.
The ones who dont run mist will be baked potatos in half the encounters next patch due to increased damage outputs overall. Dont forget major defiling necros everywhere.
If you're worried about damage then maybe being a vamp isn't such a good idea.
Most of the time when I use mist it's to get out of a root. 2 seconds of immunity on RAT may not be stellar but it's enough to reposition. Plus I can get in a HtD and a purge between casts, and my regen isn't on pause, and it's much faster. As a melee magplar I can also afford a dodge if I need it.
No more mist crutch for me. Vamp is going out of style and it's about time.
I ran every build a magplar can run and beyond. The most successful and probably fun are the ones which include steed + swift jewelery. After playing a while with both rat/other morph and mist, i found that using both isnt too bad of an issue. Also mist is that 'omg im out' tool, which cannot be replaced by anything. And believe me, mist with steed+swift jewelery is like a speedhacking cloud just flying away.
I guess maybe its my style of solo pvp'ing, but i love to get into the face of 10 enemies, dance around, drop 1 or 2 and when the heat is on, disappear
Edited by Mr_Nobody on May 10, 2019 6:54PM1 -
Datolite✭✭✭✭✭Any self respecting solo mag templar will still run mist.
Stop joking around with RAT. The other morph is useful in tower fights just for the buff and major expedition to navigate around quickly for sweep hit chance.
The ones who dont run mist will be baked potatos in half the encounters next patch due to increased damage outputs overall. Dont forget major defiling necros everywhere.
If you're worried about damage then maybe being a vamp isn't such a good idea.
Most of the time when I use mist it's to get out of a root. 2 seconds of immunity on RAT may not be stellar but it's enough to reposition. Plus I can get in a HtD and a purge between casts, and my regen isn't on pause, and it's much faster. As a melee magplar I can also afford a dodge if I need it.
No more mist crutch for me. Vamp is going out of style and it's about time.
I ran every build a magplar can run and beyond. The most successful and probably fun are the ones which include steed + swift jewelery. After playing a while with both rat/other morph and mist, i found that using both isnt too bad of an issue. Also mist is that 'omg im out' tool, which cannot be replaced by anything. And believe me, mist with steed+swift jewelery is like a speedhacking cloud just flying away.
I guess maybe its my style of solo pvp'ing, but i love to get into the face of 10 enemies, dance around, drop 1 or 2 and when the heat is on, disappear
Oh I hear you. I spent a few weeks exploiting the hell out of that tactic. Swift + Light of Cyro + Mist = basically unkillable and people legit hate you at the end of the match (I play mostly BGs).
The thing is, it starts to feel a bit cheesy. I'm not trying to criticize or anything, I just don't enjoy how cheap it feels to basically have a free reset button. Also on top of that, I just don't like how vamps look so I will take any excuse to not run it. ;PEdited by Datolite on May 10, 2019 7:25PM0 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Any self respecting solo mag templar will still run mist.
Stop joking around with RAT. The other morph is useful in tower fights just for the buff and major expedition to navigate around quickly for sweep hit chance.
The ones who dont run mist will be baked potatos in half the encounters next patch due to increased damage outputs overall. Dont forget major defiling necros everywhere.
If you're worried about damage then maybe being a vamp isn't such a good idea.
Most of the time when I use mist it's to get out of a root. 2 seconds of immunity on RAT may not be stellar but it's enough to reposition. Plus I can get in a HtD and a purge between casts, and my regen isn't on pause, and it's much faster. As a melee magplar I can also afford a dodge if I need it.
No more mist crutch for me. Vamp is going out of style and it's about time.
I ran every build a magplar can run and beyond. The most successful and probably fun are the ones which include steed + swift jewelery. After playing a while with both rat/other morph and mist, i found that using both isnt too bad of an issue. Also mist is that 'omg im out' tool, which cannot be replaced by anything. And believe me, mist with steed+swift jewelery is like a speedhacking cloud just flying away.
I guess maybe its my style of solo pvp'ing, but i love to get into the face of 10 enemies, dance around, drop 1 or 2 and when the heat is on, disappear
Oh I hear you. I spent a few weeks exploiting the hell out of that tactic. Swift + Light of Cyro + Mist = basically unkillable and people legit hate you at the end of the match (I play mostly BGs).
The thing is, it starts to feel a bit cheesy. I'm not trying to criticize or anything, I just don't enjoy how cheap it feels to basically have a free reset button. Also on top of that, I just don't like how vamps look so I will take any excuse to not run it. ;P
Cheese it up. IF you think someone is going to give you a fair fight, I think not lol.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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EtTuBrutus✭✭✭✭✭Ive got other classes for run and gun builds. I prefer damage layering stand and fight builds as they seem the most templaresque to me.
This have needs its performance fixed big time.0 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭EtTuBrutus wrote: »Ive got other classes for run and gun builds. I prefer damage layering stand and fight builds as they seem the most templaresque to me.
This have needs its performance fixed big time.
if you run+gun on templar, you are a monk.
Only class with a spamable that looks like sharp fists on rapid fire lol.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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EtTuBrutus✭✭✭✭✭EtTuBrutus wrote: »Ive got other classes for run and gun builds. I prefer damage layering stand and fight builds as they seem the most templaresque to me.
This have needs its performance fixed big time.
if you run+gun on templar, you are a monk.
Only class with a spamable that looks like sharp fists on rapid fire lol.
A monk doesn't run imo . But they are mobile. High stam sustain builds like shackle amber with jewels of misrule all spell dmg and apprentice was the closest i got, but it was a blast and effective. Good rolls feel so good Edited by EtTuBrutus on May 10, 2019 10:37PM0 -
Destyran✭✭✭✭✭@BNOC You need drain for purge/HtD casts anyway. Without it templar has a hard time being competitive.
I run DW/Ice. My phone is weird texting sometimes lol.
harness has some sustain; it's cheaper than our class shield if you fight someone running mag dmg. But I have like 2600 effective regen with everything coming in so finding resources isnt an issue.
I can’t bring my self to use harness but have you tried ice staff armour master back with structured entropy back with BTB and blood spawn with perfected asylum inferno front I seen your FP build video earlie. It gives a nice shield
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Elong✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Any self respecting solo mag templar will still run mist.
Stop joking around with RAT. The other morph is useful in tower fights just for the buff and major expedition to navigate around quickly for sweep hit chance.
The ones who dont run mist will be baked potatos in half the encounters next patch due to increased damage outputs overall. Dont forget major defiling necros everywhere.
If you're worried about damage then maybe being a vamp isn't such a good idea.
Most of the time when I use mist it's to get out of a root. 2 seconds of immunity on RAT may not be stellar but it's enough to reposition. Plus I can get in a HtD and a purge between casts, and my regen isn't on pause, and it's much faster. As a melee magplar I can also afford a dodge if I need it.
No more mist crutch for me. Vamp is going out of style and it's about time.
I ran every build a magplar can run and beyond. The most successful and probably fun are the ones which include steed + swift jewelery. After playing a while with both rat/other morph and mist, i found that using both isnt too bad of an issue. Also mist is that 'omg im out' tool, which cannot be replaced by anything. And believe me, mist with steed+swift jewelery is like a speedhacking cloud just flying away.
I guess maybe its my style of solo pvp'ing, but i love to get into the face of 10 enemies, dance around, drop 1 or 2 and when the heat is on, disappear
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.1 -
StarOfElyon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Why do "you" use cleanse over extended ritual?
Asking because i never used ever, since its cost is crazy and only cleanses 2 harmful effects against 5 from ER (and has small HoT and synergie)
I use RoR instead of ER because it decloaks NBs and pisses them off. They have the hardest time trying to kill me from stealth. Which makes it a fair fight, really. They don't like that.1 -
StarOfElyon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Any self respecting solo mag templar will still run mist.
Stop joking around with RAT. The other morph is useful in tower fights just for the buff and major expedition to navigate around quickly for sweep hit chance.
The ones who dont run mist will be baked potatos in half the encounters next patch due to increased damage outputs overall. Dont forget major defiling necros everywhere.
I guess I don't have any self-respect then. Yeah, I'm doing JUST okay with RAT right now. Still getting killed because I get focused a lot and I can't outrun the pew-pews though. It'll be even worse when Elsewhere drops. TD getting nerfed. Vampire's bane doing less burst damage. At least shards got a boost, but I don't use that in PVP. Everyone just runs out of the AOE.1 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭EtTuBrutus wrote: »EtTuBrutus wrote: »Ive got other classes for run and gun builds. I prefer damage layering stand and fight builds as they seem the most templaresque to me.
This have needs its performance fixed big time.
if you run+gun on templar, you are a monk.
Only class with a spamable that looks like sharp fists on rapid fire lol.
A monk doesn't run imo . But they are mobile. High stam sustain builds like shackle amber with jewels of misrule all spell dmg and apprentice was the closest i got, but it was a blast and effective. Good rolls feel so good
Monks are masters of aleration, strength, acrobatics, agility, willpower, atheletics, hand-to-hand, marksman and stealth. Oddly enough security too (lock picking lol).
Atheletics is how fast you can run and governed how cheap it was. Therefore monks can and should Sprint.
You can't call your build a monk build unless you can use a shield, have ranged DMG, and use a melee attack like you're punching in ESO.
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EtTuBrutus✭✭✭✭✭EtTuBrutus wrote: »EtTuBrutus wrote: »Ive got other classes for run and gun builds. I prefer damage layering stand and fight builds as they seem the most templaresque to me.
This have needs its performance fixed big time.
if you run+gun on templar, you are a monk.
Only class with a spamable that looks like sharp fists on rapid fire lol.
A monk doesn't run imo . But they are mobile. High stam sustain builds like shackle amber with jewels of misrule all spell dmg and apprentice was the closest i got, but it was a blast and effective. Good rolls feel so good
Monks are masters of aleration, strength, acrobatics, agility, willpower, atheletics, hand-to-hand, marksman and stealth. Oddly enough security too (lock picking lol).
Atheletics is how fast you can run and governed how cheap it was. Therefore monks can and should Sprint.
You can't call your build a monk build unless you can use a shield, have ranged DMG, and use a melee attack like you're punching in ESO.
What monks are u referring to @Minno ? Im thinking shaolin.0 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭EtTuBrutus wrote: »EtTuBrutus wrote: »EtTuBrutus wrote: »Ive got other classes for run and gun builds. I prefer damage layering stand and fight builds as they seem the most templaresque to me.
This have needs its performance fixed big time.
if you run+gun on templar, you are a monk.
Only class with a spamable that looks like sharp fists on rapid fire lol.
A monk doesn't run imo . But they are mobile. High stam sustain builds like shackle amber with jewels of misrule all spell dmg and apprentice was the closest i got, but it was a blast and effective. Good rolls feel so good
Monks are masters of aleration, strength, acrobatics, agility, willpower, atheletics, hand-to-hand, marksman and stealth. Oddly enough security too (lock picking lol).
Atheletics is how fast you can run and governed how cheap it was. Therefore monks can and should Sprint.
You can't call your build a monk build unless you can use a shield, have ranged DMG, and use a melee attack like you're punching in ESO.
What monks are u referring to @Minno ? Im thinking shaolin.
Elder scrolls universe not wow/real life monks lolMinno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Wouldn’t stamplars be the monks of eso and magplars the Paladins?
Would be the case of our class shield was decent. Till then stamplar is like a bard lolMinno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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VirtualElizabeth✭✭✭✭Hey all! So I have been gone for about 6 months but started playing again - mainly to finish Murkmire before Elswery launch. I haven't jumped back into Cyro yet, although I hope to mid week.
Would like a little advice on my bars and gear (what is essential etc) before I do though and the over all state of Templars in PVP.. Also, I am a vamp - should I dump that and maybe take advantage of other speed skills? This would apply to both Magplar and Stamplar. Any advice would be much appreciated.
Thanks!!Edited by VirtualElizabeth on May 12, 2019 10:40PM@ElizabethInTamriel; @ElizabethInESO
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VirtualElizabeth✭✭✭✭Whoops! You updated your guide! I just went to the last page automatically. Well, any other thoughts for a returning player would be fab! Thanks.@ElizabethInTamriel; @ElizabethInESO
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CatchMeTrolling✭✭✭✭✭
✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Wouldn’t stamplars be the monks of eso and magplars the Paladins?
Would be the case of our class shield was decent. Till then stamplar is like a bard lol
One of my stamplars is currently running snb back bar with the Psijic order shield and undo and about 28k resistance and access to major protection on command. Not the greatest shield but it all comes together really well.
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Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Wouldn’t stamplars be the monks of eso and magplars the Paladins?
Would be the case of our class shield was decent. Till then stamplar is like a bard lol
One of my stamplars is currently running snb back bar with the Psijic order shield and undo and about 28k resistance and access to major protection on command. Not the greatest shield but it all comes together really well.
Aleration magic allows you 3+ types of shields. And no armor is Hallmark monkMinno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VirtualElizabeth wrote: »Whoops! You updated your guide! I just went to the last page automatically. Well, any other thoughts for a returning player would be fab! Thanks.
Remind me Monday. That's when pts notes drop and I'll see if they adjusted the things they should in order to make Templar competitive.
Otherwise my thoughts are in the guide and that Templar requires more work than NB/Sorc to put together a build.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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VirtualElizabeth✭✭✭✭VirtualElizabeth wrote: »Whoops! You updated your guide! I just went to the last page automatically. Well, any other thoughts for a returning player would be fab! Thanks.
Remind me Monday. That's when pts notes drop and I'll see if they adjusted the things they should in order to make Templar competitive.
Otherwise my thoughts are in the guide and that Templar requires more work than NB/Sorc to put together a build.
Will do!@ElizabethInTamriel; @ElizabethInESO
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CatchMeTrolling✭✭✭✭✭
✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Wouldn’t stamplars be the monks of eso and magplars the Paladins?
Would be the case of our class shield was decent. Till then stamplar is like a bard lol
One of my stamplars is currently running snb back bar with the Psijic order shield and undo and about 28k resistance and access to major protection on command. Not the greatest shield but it all comes together really well.
Aleration magic allows you 3+ types of shields. And no armor is Hallmark monk
In the elder scrolls alteration doesn’t really add a shield it usually just buff your mitigation and we have that with rune which buffs spell and physical resistance. Other skills you could count as alteration would be magelight , equilibrium and anything that pull or paralyze . So if someone wanted to spec into alteration the option is definitely there lol now whether the build is viable is a different story.
I think I have the closest thing to an alteration mitigation setup.
A skill from Skyrim; Dragonhide - Caster ignores 80% of all physical damage for 30 seconds. So in this game having access to major and minor protection and things like rune/mist would do the trick.
Edit: Medium armor is pretty much no armor , have to build mitigation through outside sources, which is pretty much alteration.
After reading through more lore just now stamplar is definitely the closest thing.
“Monks typically do not wear armor, or utilize shields, but are adept at the utilization of a wide variety of weapons, and are especially capable of avoiding attacks from their opponents. Due to their high mental discipline, monks can actually reduce the amount of damage an attack would normally inflict on another opponent.”
“A Monk fights either at close range with his or her fists or afar with their bows. Learning to switch between the two is what it takes to be a good Monk. On the downside, in melee Monks have no armor mastery and must rely on Alteration for protection and using fists needs a good speed to cope with, so if they manage to dodge successfully whilst hitting the opponent enough times, the target also loses Fatigue.”
“All in all, the Monk is a character for those who are good at dodging and like to vary their combat techniques.”
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EtTuBrutus✭✭✭✭✭@Minno gotcha. This is my first elder scrolls game. I also have 0 interest in the story even though i'd probably enjoy it.0
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Mr_Nobody✭✭✭✭✭VirtualElizabeth wrote: »Whoops! You updated your guide! I just went to the last page automatically. Well, any other thoughts for a returning player would be fab! Thanks.
Remind me Monday. That's when pts notes drop and I'll see if they adjusted the things they should in order to make Templar competitive.
Otherwise my thoughts are in the guide and that Templar requires more work than NB/Sorc to put together a build.
Naive
Im like 300k ap away from Grand Overlord and will park this beast in the PvE world if nothing changes.1 -
Mrsinister2✭✭✭✭✭Awesome we can't use repentance unless a corpse is around.
The fix we all been waiting for
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Jabbs_Giggity✭✭✭✭✭I am in awe at patch notes. Major protection removed to be given to Necromancer. DF nerf unwarranted. Puncturing strikes' hitbox still bad. No fix to Backlash.
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✭✭✭✭✭Mrsinister2 wrote: »Awesome we can't use repentance unless a corpse is around.
The fix we all been waiting for
yup. Time to uninstall.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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✭✭✭✭✭Wow. Glad we cant waste resources on spam of the free cost ability when theres no corpse around.1