Templars PvP - Detailed Guide, Suggestions, Advice, etc. - Elsweyr

CatchMeTrolling

Waffennacht wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

https://imgur.com/a/b6zDVHn

Back bar for my medium armor 2h stamplar, pretty tanky. Have minor and major protection for extra mitigation. And Major expedition to kite, the average player can’t catch me. It’s not really about just being fast , there’s an art to kiting.

What's the sources of protection? Cuz I may steal them

On this character pirate skeleton and undo. I also have cowards on that gives major protection every time I run.

Datolite

Quick question: are you melee magplars using nirnhoned or sharpened for the next patch?

Waffennacht

@CatchMeTrolling is the animation of changing into a skele still a pita?

Minno

Waffennacht wrote: »

@CatchMeTrolling is the animation of changing into a skele still a pita?

only for lag. otherwise its not an issue (ive held block during no lag and noticed no drop of block).

Akinos

Datolite wrote: »

Quick question: are you melee magplars using nirnhoned or sharpened for the next patch?

nirn for 2handers and nirn for dual wield main hand, sharpened offhand.

CatchMeTrolling

Waffennacht wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling is the animation of changing into a skele still a pita?

I have no issues with it , built this for open world so that’s where I’ve been with it mostly. It’s good in bgs too though.

StarOfElyon

Datolite wrote: »

Quick question: are you melee magplars using nirnhoned or sharpened for the next patch?

I used sharpened for my S&B because I don't have nirnhoned yet. Been too lazy to find people to ask for an item to research.

But anyway, I switched to defending because I needed more defense so that being offensive didn't mean certain doom against bursty sorcs.

WreckfulAbandon

@VirtualElizabeth

For a few weeks ZOS dangled a 4 sec snare/immobilize immunity in front of us with the change to Race Against Time.

They nerfed it down to 2 sec but honestly it doesn't seem like magplar will be in a bad place next patch.

Minno

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling is the animation of changing into a skele still a pita?

I have no issues with it , built this for open world so that’s where I’ve been with it mostly. It’s good in bgs too though.

thanks for that idea. Going to try stamplar again running cowards. Have an idea that I will continue to test (told @Waffennacht about it already lol)

Minno

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

@VirtualElizabeth

For a few weeks ZOS dangled a 4 sec snare/immobilize immunity in front of us with the change to Race Against Time.

They nerfed it down to 2 sec but honestly it doesn't seem like magplar will be in a bad place next patch.

not exactly true, with regards to magplar not being in a bad place. GCD and the post GCD are messed up in a way where if you dont light attack weave with jabs/jesus beam, the skills fire off faster. BUT if you do, the GCD changes actually results in no change.

Additionally, cast time/channels have no change as well. So Dark flare actually has no change in being cast, and therefore took a 37% nerf. Force pulse outperforms it now.

Though toppling charge is a great change, and the speed of gap closers is a welcome change to melee specs. stamplar is missing that defensive power with magplar being subject to weird skill rules/exceptions that other skills/exceptions were adjusted in this audit and in previous changes.

overall c rating for templar in general.

UppGRAYxDD

@Waffennacht , the way I get around the limitations of the infused jewelry and only 30% speed from major expedition is simply spin my potion wheel to an invisible potion. Sprinkle in some temporal guard if the Zerg is too thick

CatchMeTrolling

Minno wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling is the animation of changing into a skele still a pita?

I have no issues with it , built this for open world so that’s where I’ve been with it mostly. It’s good in bgs too though.

thanks for that idea. Going to try stamplar again running cowards. Have an idea that I will continue to test (told @ about it already lol)

No problem, cowards is a really underrated set. It’s only going to get better next update with speed getting an indirect buff.

Waffennacht

@CatchMeTrolling was that you last night on a Warden?

Testing different Templar specs.

Anyone know the approximate uptime of skele?

Kartalin

Waffennacht wrote: »

Anyone know the approximate uptime of skele?

6% proc chance, 12 second duration, 3 second cooldown, i would guess it’s somewhere in the 50-60% range depending on how many you’re fighting.

Minno

Waffennacht wrote: »

@CatchMeTrolling was that you last night on a Warden?

Testing different Templar specs.

Anyone know the approximate uptime of skele?

55% currently on the editor. It will of course vary; dots are the best way to start on the uptime, and of course this assume no shield available.

Kartalin

You can almost guarantee 50% uptime on major protection from Steadfast, I think 2 pieces makes pirate skeleton a better bet over the 5 pieces. I’ve tried to put together a Steadfast build a couple times in the uesp build editor but it always comes up short on offense, at least in no cp.

EtTuBrutus

Some fun in the sewers last night to avoid lag in cyro. Not quite the full build i'll be running but close to it.



https://youtu.be/IEcdbxC9Bps

Minno

Kartalin wrote: »

You can almost guarantee 50% uptime on major protection from Steadfast, I think 2 pieces makes pirate skeleton a better bet over the 5 pieces. I’ve tried to put together a Steadfast build a couple times in the uesp build editor but it always comes up short on offense, at least in no cp.

only way it works, if backbarred with willpower front. But now you are trying to maintain a high uptime instead of letting PS do it for you.

Another strong option is 1pc pirate/1pc kena.

Kartalin

Minno wrote: »

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Another strong option is 1pc pirate/1pc kena.

That’s a good option, I’ve also ran 1 pirate, 1 domihaus. Gotta pair those with a couple protective jewelry in no cp though.

CatchMeTrolling

Waffennacht wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling was that you last night on a Warden?

Testing different Templar specs.

Anyone know the approximate uptime of skele?

No, I don’t have the same ingame name.

And I play a lot of outnumbered pvp , in that scene there’s a high uptime. But it seems to proc a lot in bgs too since there’s a lot of damage going out , especially aoes.

Waffennacht

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling was that you last night on a Warden?

Testing different Templar specs.

Anyone know the approximate uptime of skele?

No, I don’t have the same ingame name.

And I play a lot of outnumbered pvp , in that scene there’s a high uptime. But it seems to proc a lot in bgs too since there’s a lot of damage going out , especially aoes.

There's an imposter!!

miteba

[Stamplar]
What about Prisoners (jewelry & weapons) + Cowards (medium armor) + 3 WD infused glyphs (to compensate lack of offensive set) + warrior mundus (or Steed)
Stamina and magicka sustain will not be an issue ...

I know it's not original, but since stamplar is in a depressive state right now, and with speed future changes...
I never tested but already have prisoners rings and golded weaponry so i might try

EtTuBrutus

miteba wrote: »

[Stamplar]
What about Prisoners (jewelry & weapons) + Cowards (medium armor) + 3 WD infused glyphs (to compensate lack of offensive set) + warrior mundus (or Steed)
Stamina and magicka sustain will not be an issue ...

I know it's not original, but since stamplar is in a depressive state right now, and with speed future changes...
I never tested but already have prisoners rings and golded weaponry so i might try

The problem is there is such a thing as too much speed and you can't attack while sprinting. So you're really just making yourself good at running away or getting to a target (which is already easy).

3 infused wd enchants is not enough to make up for giving up sets like bone pirate, masters bow, truth, etc.

EtTuBrutus

Being good at kiting and being good at running away is a fine line.

Waffennacht

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Being good at kiting and being good at running away is a fine line.

We gotta try and be good at both

EtTuBrutus

Waffennacht wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Being good at kiting and being good at running away is a fine line.

We gotta try and be good at both

Don't run! Xxxxxxxxxx

Firstmep

I have ran cowards a lot this patch, but yeah apart from helping with running away or kiting, its not that great.

The moment you start actually fighting someone you realise that you have a 5 piece that does nothing for you.

I looked at the ritual changes, and i have to say its pretty weak compared to what for example stam Dks got.

People are kinda sleeping on the cauterise change, but its going to make stam dks even tankier than they already are.

Which is weird, beacuse i dont remember stam dks complaining that they lack healing..


Honestly next patch ill probably run some combination of heavy Night mothers and BRP dw(backbar), still trying to figure out the rest of the sets.

technohic

miteba wrote: »

[Stamplar]
What about Prisoners (jewelry & weapons) + Cowards (medium armor) + 3 WD infused glyphs (to compensate lack of offensive set) + warrior mundus (or Steed)
Stamina and magicka sustain will not be an issue ...

I know it's not original, but since stamplar is in a depressive state right now, and with speed future changes...
I never tested but already have prisoners rings and golded weaponry so i might try

I want to be a fan of prisoners but I just have not found a way on any class where it works out how I think it will. Seems like it would be good for sustaining both pools, but the magicka is tied to sprinting, and while sprinting youre not regaining stam. Adding it to cowards and you have a lot tied to sprinting where you cannot act and both sets heavy stam recovery set bonuses are not used. I've tried both several times thinking I can forgo other recovery and hit and run, but you really do not get enough burst built up to do so. The closest I have found would probably be cowards with fury.

Minno

technohic wrote: »

miteba wrote: »

[Stamplar]
What about Prisoners (jewelry & weapons) + Cowards (medium armor) + 3 WD infused glyphs (to compensate lack of offensive set) + warrior mundus (or Steed)
Stamina and magicka sustain will not be an issue ...

I know it's not original, but since stamplar is in a depressive state right now, and with speed future changes...
I never tested but already have prisoners rings and golded weaponry so i might try

I want to be a fan of prisoners but I just have not found a way on any class where it works out how I think it will. Seems like it would be good for sustaining both pools, but the magicka is tied to sprinting, and while sprinting youre not regaining stam. Adding it to cowards and you have a lot tied to sprinting where you cannot act and both sets heavy stam recovery set bonuses are not used. I've tried both several times thinking I can forgo other recovery and hit and run, but you really do not get enough burst built up to do so. The closest I have found would probably be cowards with fury.

stamsorc is the only one. They use it to pull in dark deal.

CatchMeTrolling

Why can’t you fight and run at the same time? That’s how people end up dying when they chase people down. You can theory craft enough damage into your build to use speed and mobility to your advantage. It’s like when people said woodelf roll passive was useless when it’s one of the better kiting passives in the game. Nothing like dodge roll turn around dawn breakers because no one expects it , they think you’re running away.

But you don’t have to listen to me , players like jack daniells does a really good job explaining this type of playstyle. I don’t think it’s for everyone but it’s definitely viable.