Templars PvP - Detailed Guide, Suggestions, Advice, etc. - Elsweyr

EtTuBrutus

Minno wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

So toppling charge won't require a min range to be cast on test.
That together with the 100 percent offbalance proc, quicker jabs, more reliable sweeps ulti might be improvement to meleeplar burst combo.
Sounds great!

Ive adjusted my build to next patch and melee again. Even without these changes it's nice. However, bar space is very limited now. Might go back to amber shackle trifood and slot spell power pots.

I'd be tempted to run magplar again as I no longer would feel compelled to run FM still on a mag character along with RAT without resorting to mist form. It frees up a slot for me. I might still be tempted to run 2her for the heavy into ultimate but its probably not worth it now that I can get by without for the cost of better LA weave damage. And with the new toppling charge; might be able to use that rather than carry a dedicated CC.

dw/resto. new meta

Totally gonna use double off hand only

CatchMeTrolling

Been thinking about making a fun speedy build next update using rat and prisoners lol

miteba

Why DW? Anything changed?
Because of the Ruffian passive + Toppling charge off balance change?
Although you lose a ranged light/heavy attack and destro passive tri focus & ancient knowledge...

CatchMeTrolling

Dw has always been good , people just prefer to run what’s meta . Can produce some godly sweeps with dw and with the speed changes dw might favor it more than destro.

Ariades_swe

miteba wrote: »

Why DW? Anything changed?
Because of the Ruffian passive + Toppling charge off balance change?
Although you lose a ranged light/heavy attack and destro passive tri focus & ancient knowledge...

Ruffian passive only works with dw skills so a magplar won't benefit from it.

UppGRAYxDD

So I leave the forums for like a few weeks and ZoS up and dropped the bomb on dark flare! WTH were they thinking? They might as well just make it a defile morph of solar barrage at this point. Oh but they reduced the cast time .1 seconds.....
.1 SECONDS WILL NOT MAKE A DAMN DIFFERENCE, this ability is now "hands off" IMO. Gotta love ZoS's pandering to the weak and overall homogenization of the Classes... "Play as you want" is becoming more of a whisper then a battle cry for this game...

Minno

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

So I leave the forums for like a few weeks and ZoS up and dropped the bomb on dark flare! WTH were they thinking? They might as well just make it a defile morph of solar barrage at this point. Oh but they reduced the cast time .1 seconds.....
.1 SECONDS WILL NOT MAKE A DAMN DIFFERENCE, this ability is now "hands off" IMO. Gotta love ZoS's pandering to the weak and overall homogenization of the Classes... "Play as you want" is becoming more of a whisper then a battle cry for this game...

templar can't play as they want because of BOL .

Waffennacht

Whomever advised steed + x3 swift has completely convinced me

I'm waiting for RAT before seriously considering busting out my Templar from PvE but I have used this idea on my sorc and now I wanna put it on everything.

I was so reluctant to go steed mundus, but I'm loving every sec of it

UppGRAYxDD

Minno wrote: »

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

So I leave the forums for like a few weeks and ZoS up and dropped the bomb on dark flare! WTH were they thinking? They might as well just make it a defile morph of solar barrage at this point. Oh but they reduced the cast time .1 seconds.....
.1 SECONDS WILL NOT MAKE A DAMN DIFFERENCE, this ability is now "hands off" IMO. Gotta love ZoS's pandering to the weak and overall homogenization of the Classes... "Play as you want" is becoming more of a whisper then a battle cry for this game...

templar can't play as they want because of BOL .

right.... Im sure you hear the complaints as much as me. "They just wave their hand and can do all the dmg in the world" one of my favs. The change just erks me considering that you can go weeks/months without getting one cast on you in pvp. I somewhat feel your answer is the reason. ZoS: oh the healing class shouldnt do dmg...nerf em.. Meanwhile Magsorc Twilight outperforming BoL...

UppGRAYxDD

@Waffennacht try Skooma smuggler on the backbar If you can afford it use in conjunction with clever alchemist and an Argonian with Potion cooldown enchants... Just be warned, you will burn thru potions....lots

Minno

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

@Waffennacht try Skooma smuggler on the backbar If you can afford it use in conjunction with clever alchemist and an Argonian with Potion cooldown enchants... Just be warned, you will burn thru potions....lots

Don't waste a 5pc set that youll get off RAT.

Steed mundas is probably the best PVP mundas in the game so far.

UppGRAYxDD

Minno wrote: »

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

@Waffennacht try Skooma smuggler on the backbar If you can afford it use in conjunction with clever alchemist and an Argonian with Potion cooldown enchants... Just be warned, you will burn thru potions....lots

Don't waste a 5pc set that youll get off RAT.

Steed mundas is probably the best PVP mundas in the game so far.

Cause I wanna go fast all the time...not just 3-4 sec spurts. Plus in combination I could use RAT to move quickly without needing to waste a potion and have it on ready for the clever proc. Also, this allow me to only use RAT for the crit dmg bonus which doesnt need to be reapplied as frequently. Last, having 100% uptime on major expedition allows me to use different mundus stones to fit my needs for this specific build. Now if not running exactly this, then yea I completely agree with you

miteba

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Ruffian passive only works with dw skills so a magplar won't benefit from it.

Yeah you're right ... But why use dw over destro in magplar then? I admit i already used it before but i dont see great advantage there.

So its a new window for stamplar dw, although an magicka skill, toppling or explosive charge, will always proc off-balance with ruffian and/or exploiter... should be nice.

EtTuBrutus

There's no reason to go dw over destro unless you want stronger htd and most of your kit is single target.. ESPECIALLY if you use barrage (all melee magplar should)

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Been thinking about making a fun speedy build next update using rat and prisoners lol

Back bar prisoners and front bar maelstrom destro with wall and you've got a fun, mobile, hard hiting build that works on live and gets better next patch

Hotdog_23

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

So I leave the forums for like a few weeks and ZoS up and dropped the bomb on dark flare! WTH were they thinking? They might as well just make it a defile morph of solar barrage at this point. Oh but they reduced the cast time .1 seconds.....
.1 SECONDS WILL NOT MAKE A DAMN DIFFERENCE, this ability is now "hands off" IMO. Gotta love ZoS's pandering to the weak and overall homogenization of the Classes... "Play as you want" is becoming more of a whisper then a battle cry for this game...

templar can't play as they want because of BOL .

.. Meanwhile Magsorc Twilight outperforming BoL...

So very true and unfair that the Twilight is a better heal and 360 degree heals to boot.

CatchMeTrolling

I’d never run barrage, I don’t think I have ever seen a magplar even use that skill in actual pvp outside of testing it. And you run dw for straight raw damage, your entire purpose is to burn through people as quick as possible. While destro has its perks dw is already locked and loaded. There’s a reason in the past magplars ran dw front bar. New play styles are introduced and everyone forgets that other play styles are still viable. Makes for boring theory crafting.

Other skill lines work , everyone running the same weapon line is just adding to the homogenization of the classes. Literally every mag class is running a destro.

miteba

That is, imho, Zenimax grand flaw in this game... Almost all class changes in last 2 years or so, are slowly helping in the builds and classes homogenization.

All this nerfs and "defensive/easy" decisions against power creeps, should have been thought in a much more creative way, to escape homogenization, which is against ES games moto...

The only exception i remember from last 2 years, its the new DK seething fury/molten whip thing, who finally add "something different" to that class.. and even the warden class was almost a cannibalization of other classes/skills, being the templars its biggest victim

EDIT: Sorry for the off-topic

Synozeer

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

I’d never run barrage, I don’t think I have ever seen a magplar even use that skill in actual pvp outside of testing it. And you run dw for straight raw damage, your entire purpose is to burn through people as quick as possible. While destro has its perks dw is already locked and loaded. There’s a reason in the past magplars ran dw front bar. New play styles are introduced and everyone forgets that other play styles are still viable. Makes for boring theory crafting.

Other skill lines work , everyone running the same weapon line is just adding to the homogenization of the classes. Literally every mag class is running a destro.

Magplars ran dw in the past because staves didn't count as 2 item slots and destro required you to have a destro ability slotted to get the passive buff to damage. Nowadays 99% of the builds are better off with staff over dw on a magplar.

Destro gives you more damage with light attacks, allows you to use clench (or ranged light attacks) which will autoproc your weapon enchant at any distance, and you can heavy attack to restore magicka while keeping 1h/shield on your back bar so you can heavy attack to restore stamina.

I agree about flare, it's never been a good skill other than for xv1ing or novelty ganking builds. The nerf to it is so ridiculous that I wonder if the design team thinks it's still April fools.

CatchMeTrolling

Synozeer wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

I’d never run barrage, I don’t think I have ever seen a magplar even use that skill in actual pvp outside of testing it. And you run dw for straight raw damage, your entire purpose is to burn through people as quick as possible. While destro has its perks dw is already locked and loaded. There’s a reason in the past magplars ran dw front bar. New play styles are introduced and everyone forgets that other play styles are still viable. Makes for boring theory crafting.

Other skill lines work , everyone running the same weapon line is just adding to the homogenization of the classes. Literally every mag class is running a destro.

Magplars ran dw in the past because staves didn't count as 2 item slots and destro required you to have a destro ability slotted to get the passive buff to damage. Nowadays 99% of the builds are better off with staff over dw on a magplar.

Destro gives you more damage with light attacks, allows you to use clench (or ranged light attacks) which will autoproc your weapon enchant at any distance, and you can heavy attack to restore magicka while keeping 1h/shield on your back bar so you can heavy attack to restore stamina.

I agree about flare, it's never been a good skill other than for xv1ing or novelty ganking builds. The nerf to it is so ridiculous that I wonder if the design team thinks it's still April fools.

Partially true because there was people that still ran destro and the passive (slot) change is a recent change. If you’ve been playing the class long you’ll know it goes through changes. By that I mean we’ve seen dw, snb, 2h and destro front bar play styles over the years. Seems great but not really because the issue is that during these times everyone is pigeonholed into the same front bar weapon, even more so now. Do you guys not see the issue with that ? Do you not see the issue with the Paladin class predominately slotting a destro ?

I’m not saying destro isn’t good, I’m saying it’s not the only option to choose.

EtTuBrutus

U never see another magplar running barrage bc the graphic is absent to everyone but the player casting it. The cp scaling correction is huge for this skill too. Youll see a lot more melee magplars this upcoming patch, it's getting a 33% ddmg increase as well due to the dmg on cast change too.

You're forgetting that destros passives add penetration, a % dmg increase as well just like dw, and other better utility functions in addition to massively more dmg.

Im not saying destro is the only option either, but imo it's far superior to dw, especially if you're not simply stacking spell dmg as high a possible ( this is where dw really shines).

Not going destro removes elemental drain from your kit, which is the best damage and sustain boost youll find where.

Ranged magplars have no real use for barrage, i agree with that, but its been great the past 2 weeks since ive been working on the kitty patch builds i'll be running.

Durham

Jabs is broke in lag. This is by far the biggest issue with the class.

Waffennacht

I jumped on my Magplar last night and got completely curb stomped.

First issue was the amount of damage I was taking - 3k impen, 22k resist front bar 28k back - consistently taking 6k hits from shalks, surprise attacks, big ol Leaps and Spin2win (oddly no sorc?)

My BoL was ok in giving me 1 GCD to cast another spell, but couldn't keep on the offense for anything.

Gonna have to reevaluate wtf I'm doing

Minno

Waffennacht wrote: »

I jumped on my Magplar last night and got completely curb stomped.

First issue was the amount of damage I was taking - 3k impen, 22k resist front bar 28k back - consistently taking 6k hits from shalks, surprise attacks, big ol Leaps and Spin2win (oddly no sorc?)

My BoL was ok in giving me 1 GCD to cast another spell, but couldn't keep on the offense for anything.

Gonna have to reevaluate wtf I'm doing

its cause everyone else got buffed or fixed offensive/mechanically lol. Templars still need some work.
Honestly, run resto back with combat prayer/mutagen+resto ult if you arent vamp with bats.

Rhaegar75

wow.....I couldn't remember how crap and squishy stamplars are!! Having played a magplar for the last week I cannot face going back to stamplars!

Datolite

I'm trying to decide what to replace Light of Cyrodiil with now that I won't be using mist form again. I will still run BTB and blood spawn most likely. What do y'all suggest for a 3rd set for melee magplar?

Jabbs_Giggity

Datolite wrote: »

I'm trying to decide what to replace Light of Cyrodiil with now that I won't be using mist form again. I will still run BTB and blood spawn most likely. What do y'all suggest for a 3rd set for melee magplar?

Fortified Brass...because...well...Magplars have no Defense

technohic

What do you guys think of running Mutagen/Rapid regen and Troll King? To me, Troll king requring you to stay under 50% health after a heal makes HTD no work with it, but I was thinking for a little proactive recovery for when you just got nailed and CCed causing it to be maybe similar to vigor between the HOT and recovery.

Durham

Think stamplar at least Magplar can burst heal..

Rhaegar75

Durham wrote: »

Think stamplar at least Magplar can burst heal..

I think stamplar are in a really bad place in comparison to other classes. You are right, at least magplars have burst heals!

Minno

technohic wrote: »

What do you guys think of running Mutagen/Rapid regen and Troll King? To me, Troll king requring you to stay under 50% health after a heal makes HTD no work with it, but I was thinking for a little proactive recovery for when you just got nailed and CCed causing it to be maybe similar to vigor between the HOT and recovery.

don't run troll king. its not proactive, its more reactive than BOL, but you need to be both at 50% health AND use a heal. But if you are in heavy armor with clockwork food, there is a case for troll king. But i wouldnt waste the 2pc on that.