Templars PvP - Detailed Guide, Suggestions, Advice, etc. - Elsweyr

Jabbs_Giggity

However, I may be looking in to 5H/2L Magplar slotting Soulshine/Bright-throatBalorgh Lightning/SNB (Willpower BB)
All infused Spell DMG jewelry.

With Balorgh proc, looking at approx. 102K SA tooltip, 5.7K Sweeps and 20K HtD tooltip...Anyone wanna test this out for me on PTS??? Console player here...asked in U22 thread to add PTS for consoles via seperate server at server selection.

Minno

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

However, I may be looking in to 5H/2L Magplar slotting Soulshine/Bright-throatBalorgh Lightning/SNB (Willpower BB)
All infused Spell DMG jewelry.

With Balorgh proc, looking at approx. 102K SA tooltip, 5.7K Sweeps and 20K HtD tooltip...Anyone wanna test this out for me on PTS??? Console player here...asked in U22 thread to add PTS for consoles via seperate server at server selection.

You are closer to my build

Durham

Go magicka instead of stam ..

Jabbs_Giggity

Just an FYI @Minno we can finally drop Vampire come Elsweyr! Due to RaT giving us Snare Immunity and increase ME to 4s.

Xbox One X - NA
CP 910+

~Mains~
Jabs Giggity
Fap to my Sweeps - Magplar
George W AmBush - Stamblade

~Alts~
I Got Electrolytes - Magsorc
Rhaegeon - MagDK
Covetous Shen - Magblade - Master Crafter
Cream Pie Jewelz - Stamden

Minno

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

Just an FYI @Minno we can finally drop Vampire come Elsweyr! Due to RaT giving us Snare Immunity and increase ME to 4s.

Xbox One X - NA
CP 910+

~Mains~
Jabs Giggity
Fap to my Sweeps - Magplar
George W AmBush - Stamblade

~Alts~
I Got Electrolytes - Magsorc
Rhaegeon - MagDK
Covetous Shen - Magblade - Master Crafter
Cream Pie Jewelz - Stamden

I know! Great change for magplars/heavy armor stamplar.

Jabbs_Giggity

Minno wrote: »

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

Just an FYI @Minno we can finally drop Vampire come Elsweyr! Due to RaT giving us Snare Immunity and increase ME to 4s.

I know! Great change for magplars/heavy armor stamplar.

Well, I know that I will probably be running above mentioned setup for Elsweyr. I would prefer the sustain set on top of SS because I have been spending more time in BG's than in Cyro lately.

Xbox One X - NA
CP 910+

~Mains~
Jabs Giggity
Fap to my Sweeps - Magplar
George W AmBush - Stamblade

~Alts~
I Got Electrolytes - Magsorc
Rhaegeon - MagDK
Covetous Shen - Magblade - Master Crafter
Cream Pie Jewelz - Stamden

EtTuBrutus

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

However, I may be looking in to 5H/2L Magplar slotting Soulshine/Bright-throatBalorgh Lightning/SNB (Willpower BB)
All infused Spell DMG jewelry.

With Balorgh proc, looking at approx. 102K SA tooltip, 5.7K Sweeps and 20K HtD tooltip...Anyone wanna test this out for me on PTS??? Console player here...asked in U22 thread to add PTS for consoles via seperate server at server selection.

That's straight up havarti right there. Then 3 min till u can do it again yaaay.

Minno

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

However, I may be looking in to 5H/2L Magplar slotting Soulshine/Bright-throatBalorgh Lightning/SNB (Willpower BB)
All infused Spell DMG jewelry.

With Balorgh proc, looking at approx. 102K SA tooltip, 5.7K Sweeps and 20K HtD tooltip...Anyone wanna test this out for me on PTS??? Console player here...asked in U22 thread to add PTS for consoles via seperate server at server selection.

That's straight up havarti right there. Then 3 min till u can do it again yaaay.

just replace balorgh with kena/domi. Essentially a watered-down version of the same thing except 100% uptime with 1k stam

Rhaegar75

Minno wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Not to distract but @Minno I think I like the idea of both on a more glass cannon type build, whatcha think? (I don't have masters fyi)

When in doubt go full DMG lol. I say go for it.

Just recently went that way too for magplar:
-5pc heavy
- 40% crit
- 1.85 modifier
- 4.6 SD
- 35k mag
- 22000/26000 resists with 3300 cr
- 5000 tooltip sweeps and cresent hits for 21000 when it hits lol.

Go big or go home lol

would you not go 5L and use protective jewels? I'm really trying to find the right balance between light/heavy

Minno

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Not to distract but @Minno I think I like the idea of both on a more glass cannon type build, whatcha think? (I don't have masters fyi)

When in doubt go full DMG lol. I say go for it.

Just recently went that way too for magplar:
-5pc heavy
- 40% crit
- 1.85 modifier
- 4.6 SD
- 35k mag
- 22000/26000 resists with 3300 cr
- 5000 tooltip sweeps and cresent hits for 21000 when it hits lol.

Go big or go home lol

would you not go 5L and use protective jewels? I'm really trying to find the right balance between light/heavy

You can go either way. Depends which you value more, health recovery+550 stam every 5secs+8% healing or regen/cost reduction+4k penetration and snare reduction+sprint cost reduction.

ccmedaddy

Heavy honestly isn't that bad on magplar. Yes you lose some pen and crit but in heavy you can just straight-up build for max stats because you don't have to worry about defense or stam sustain (which is AMAZING in heavy if you block a lot). Also, it's nice to have a larger window of offense so you spend less time turtling on your backbar.

Minno

ccmedaddy wrote: »

Heavy honestly isn't that bad on magplar. Yes you lose some pen and crit but in heavy you can just straight-up build for max stats because you don't have to worry about defense or stam sustain (which is AMAZING in heavy if you block a lot). Also, it's nice to have a larger window of offense so you spend less time turtling on your backbar.

pending how you setup heavy armor, you can get 40% crit in CP

ccmedaddy

Minno wrote: »

ccmedaddy wrote: »

Heavy honestly isn't that bad on magplar. Yes you lose some pen and crit but in heavy you can just straight-up build for max stats because you don't have to worry about defense or stam sustain (which is AMAZING in heavy if you block a lot). Also, it's nice to have a larger window of offense so you spend less time turtling on your backbar.

pending how you setup heavy armor, you can get 40% crit in CP

I wish I hadn't deconned my gold heavy Julianos pieces. 😭 I was convinced I would never run heavy again but I'm getting tired of crutching on pirate skelly in no-CP.

Jabbs_Giggity

Right now I'm running 5l/2h spinners/bright/1 domi 1 pirate and am doing great in BGs

Running lightning/snb
Sweeps, elections drain, DF, crushing, reflective, crescent
Obvious back bar 😒 rune, cleanse, htd, mist, entropy

EtTuBrutus

Minno wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

However, I may be looking in to 5H/2L Magplar slotting Soulshine/Bright-throatBalorgh Lightning/SNB (Willpower BB)
All infused Spell DMG jewelry.

With Balorgh proc, looking at approx. 102K SA tooltip, 5.7K Sweeps and 20K HtD tooltip...Anyone wanna test this out for me on PTS??? Console player here...asked in U22 thread to add PTS for consoles via seperate server at server selection.

That's straight up havarti right there. Then 3 min till u can do it again yaaay.

just replace balorgh with kena/domi. Essentially a watered-down version of the same thing except 100% uptime with 1k stam

I definitely prefer that over balorgh

EtTuBrutus

Did some tests with 2 set ups to get a gist of what i'd see. I'd like to see what you guys would choose.

Numbers are actual damage on a 18200 resistance target dummy. Only major sorcery and wpn dmg proc up. For light attacks minor sorcery was also up. Tests for each dmg skill done individually.

Set 1
Barrage 3705 6594
Sweeps 3142 5592
Light attacks 3488 7310
Htd 12772 tootip

Set 2
Barrage 3857 6686
Sweeps 3273 5826
Light attacks 4904 8729
Htd 12286 tooltip

Resistance, max stats, regen and awesome wardrobe are nearly identical fyi.

EtTuBrutus

Also, anyone know how much magicka a resto heavy attack restores with off balance? What about with 12% in tenacity? What if you add heavy armors revitalize?
Hint: heavy resto with just resto skill line passives restores 4184 magicka.

What about the same scenario with snb?
Hint: snb heavies restore 2014 stamina.

Tldr: get excited about reliable off balance.

WreckfulAbandon

Recently started getting back into Magplar and still can't theorycraft away from Shacklebreaker without going 5 heavy.

Currently torn between a Shackle/Surge build and Shackle/Spinners. Skoria all the way and using 5 light with protective jewelry. Shackle/Bright Throat works too but it's a little too vanilla for my taste.

I think I know my preference but just wanted to see everyone's thoughts.

EtTuBrutus

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

Recently started getting back into Magplar and still can't theorycraft away from Shacklebreaker without going 5 heavy.

Currently torn between a Shackle/Surge build and Shackle/Spinners. Skoria all the way and using 5 light with protective jewelry. Shackle/Bright Throat works too but it's a little too vanilla for my taste.

I think I know my preference but just wanted to see everyone's thoughts.

Both spell recharge or dunmer are plenty of stam sustain for me, especially if u use mist form. Shackle is very stat dense, but i prefer to spend my stats as much into magicka components as possible.

Are you looking for a gimmick? What's so ordinary about max stat gear?

Destyran

Hey guys I have just started running thurvokin impregnable armour and fassalas with infused jewellery and it’s pretty strong loving life

Mr_Nobody

Minno wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Wait, is Deadly going to buff Jabs? Atm it doesnt.

Probably because jabs is both fake dot and fake AOE. It breaks so many rules it annoys us lol

is it *probably* that they are going to buff jabs or confirmed?

Minno

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Wait, is Deadly going to buff Jabs? Atm it doesnt.

Probably because jabs is both fake dot and fake AOE. It breaks so many rules it annoys us lol

is it *probably* that they are going to buff jabs or confirmed?

Knowing ZoS they are going to make shade ignore evasion before jabs lol.

I'll have to adjust this thread for next patch. Toppling being used inside light attack weaves like butter.

Ariades_swe

So toppling charge won't require a min range to be cast on test.
That together with the 100 percent offbalance proc, quicker jabs, more reliable sweeps ulti might be improvement to meleeplar burst combo.
Sounds great!

Mr_Nobody

Minno wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Wait, is Deadly going to buff Jabs? Atm it doesnt.

Probably because jabs is both fake dot and fake AOE. It breaks so many rules it annoys us lol

is it *probably* that they are going to buff jabs or confirmed?

Knowing ZoS they are going to make shade ignore evasion before jabs lol.

I'll have to adjust this thread for next patch. Toppling being used inside light attack weaves like butter.

no i meant the Deadly set, is it going to surely buff jabs? since atm it doesnt

Minno

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Wait, is Deadly going to buff Jabs? Atm it doesnt.

Probably because jabs is both fake dot and fake AOE. It breaks so many rules it annoys us lol

is it *probably* that they are going to buff jabs or confirmed?

Knowing ZoS they are going to make shade ignore evasion before jabs lol.

I'll have to adjust this thread for next patch. Toppling being used inside light attack weaves like butter.

no i meant the Deadly set, is it going to surely buff jabs? since atm it doesnt

probably not. they haven't decided what jabs really is nor how they see templar in 2019.

EtTuBrutus

Ariades_swe wrote: »

So toppling charge won't require a min range to be cast on test.
That together with the 100 percent offbalance proc, quicker jabs, more reliable sweeps ulti might be improvement to meleeplar burst combo.
Sounds great!

Ive adjusted my build to next patch and melee again. Even without these changes it's nice. However, bar space is very limited now. Might go back to amber shackle trifood and slot spell power pots.

Minno

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Wait, is Deadly going to buff Jabs? Atm it doesnt.

Probably because jabs is both fake dot and fake AOE. It breaks so many rules it annoys us lol

is it *probably* that they are going to buff jabs or confirmed?

Knowing ZoS they are going to make shade ignore evasion before jabs lol.

I'll have to adjust this thread for next patch. Toppling being used inside light attack weaves like butter.

no i meant the Deadly set, is it going to surely buff jabs? since atm it doesnt

probably not. they haven't decided what jabs really is nor how they see templar in 2019.

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

So toppling charge won't require a min range to be cast on test.
That together with the 100 percent offbalance proc, quicker jabs, more reliable sweeps ulti might be improvement to meleeplar burst combo.
Sounds great!

Ive adjusted my build to next patch and melee again. Even without these changes it's nice. However, bar space is very limited now. Might go back to amber shackle trifood and slot spell power pots.

definitely slot those pots. Sucks we cant get immovable pots, but the extra utilty gained from not needing to run degeneration makes up for it.

Jabbs_Giggity

Minno wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Wait, is Deadly going to buff Jabs? Atm it doesnt.

Probably because jabs is both fake dot and fake AOE. It breaks so many rules it annoys us lol

is it *probably* that they are going to buff jabs or confirmed?

Knowing ZoS they are going to make shade ignore evasion before jabs lol.

I'll have to adjust this thread for next patch. Toppling being used inside light attack weaves like butter.

no i meant the Deadly set, is it going to surely buff jabs? since atm it doesnt

probably not. they haven't decided what jabs really is nor how they see templar in 2019.

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

So toppling charge won't require a min range to be cast on test.
That together with the 100 percent offbalance proc, quicker jabs, more reliable sweeps ulti might be improvement to meleeplar burst combo.
Sounds great!

Ive adjusted my build to next patch and melee again. Even without these changes it's nice. However, bar space is very limited now. Might go back to amber shackle trifood and slot spell power pots.

definitely slot those pots. Sucks we cant get immovable pots, but the extra utilty gained from not needing to run degeneration makes up for it.

I will more than likely be sticking to ranged Magplar until the class is completely reworked. I have found a few setups that work decent, but the risk/reward of playing melee just is not even worth thinking about it anymore.

technohic

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

So toppling charge won't require a min range to be cast on test.
That together with the 100 percent offbalance proc, quicker jabs, more reliable sweeps ulti might be improvement to meleeplar burst combo.
Sounds great!

Ive adjusted my build to next patch and melee again. Even without these changes it's nice. However, bar space is very limited now. Might go back to amber shackle trifood and slot spell power pots.

I'd be tempted to run magplar again as I no longer would feel compelled to run FM still on a mag character along with RAT without resorting to mist form. It frees up a slot for me. I might still be tempted to run 2her for the heavy into ultimate but its probably not worth it now that I can get by without for the cost of better LA weave damage. And with the new toppling charge; might be able to use that rather than carry a dedicated CC.

Minno

technohic wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

So toppling charge won't require a min range to be cast on test.
That together with the 100 percent offbalance proc, quicker jabs, more reliable sweeps ulti might be improvement to meleeplar burst combo.
Sounds great!

Ive adjusted my build to next patch and melee again. Even without these changes it's nice. However, bar space is very limited now. Might go back to amber shackle trifood and slot spell power pots.

I'd be tempted to run magplar again as I no longer would feel compelled to run FM still on a mag character along with RAT without resorting to mist form. It frees up a slot for me. I might still be tempted to run 2her for the heavy into ultimate but its probably not worth it now that I can get by without for the cost of better LA weave damage. And with the new toppling charge; might be able to use that rather than carry a dedicated CC.

dw/resto. new meta