Upcoming Racial Passive Changes - Your Thoughts.

Joshlenoir

Zenimax has talked about their wishes to "balance" racial passives to make the choices less impactful on gameplay.
Given that strong, unique, and diverse racial passives which impact combat have been a part of all TES games, as well as many players of ESO spending 30+ dollars for one or more race changes across multiple characters, how would you feel if the upcoming balance update made racial choice/diversity for any specific class much less impactful on combat/virtually meaningless?

for context:

"I’m guessing many of you will be interested to know more about the racial balance changes. While we aren’t ready to share specific details yet, here’s a peek at the goals driving the team’s effort:
When selecting a race, players should have multiple effective options for any given gameplay role.
The combat power provided by each race should be more equalized.
Players should feel a stronger sense of power progression through racial passives as they level up.
The unique feeling and flavor each race provides should be retained and enhanced where possible, and remain faithful to established lore."

kypranb14_ESO

Neutral

Meh..

If it makes race choice meaningless outside of cosmetics, I feel "yay" because I get to play a pretty race again. I also feel "aww" because I really like how character building is done in this game, and removing/nullifying racial passives would take a small part away from that.

Zeytio

Negative

im just salty i've race changed the same character ten times just to keep up to date with the meta. pls no change.

Kreddick

Very Positive

I like playing Nord for the aesthetic, so shiver me timbers when I learn after I git gud that Nords are *** trash tier.

idk

Negative

Zos likes to talk about balancing a lot of stuff but they often fail.

Look at how they changed weapon traits. Now instead of sharpened for DPS and if you were with a well organized group you could use precise. Now it is infused all the way. Even tanks use infused. They have even increased the benefit of using infused separating the difference with other traits even more.

So I do not have much confidence In how Zos thinks things through. They lack a decent track record.

Amdar_Godkiller

Positive

I've always wanted to play as a Nord, but they bring nothing to the table at present. I mean for most of the game's life, mag dps was limited to 1 or 2 strong races, which is stupid. I want strong racial passives that cause unique class/race metas to develop among stam classes. Use Orc as your model. a few resources, bonus melee damage, and increased speed, healing received and health recovery. they are so well suited for WW builds. Avoid the high elf model, too OP in all magicka situations leads to pour build diversity. Give Dark elfs bonus dot damage and bretons increased channel damage, and nords should get execute damage.

imredneckson

Negative

Joshlenoir wrote: »

Zenimax has talked about their wishes to "balance" racial passives to make the choices less impactful on gameplay.
Given that strong, unique, and diverse racial passives which impact combat have been a part of all TES games, as well as many players of ESO spending 30+ dollars for one or more race changes across multiple characters, how would you feel if the upcoming balance update made racial choice/diversity for any specific class much less impactful on combat/virtually meaningless?

I like how many races are now like Argonian, Dunmer, Altmer, and Breton but I would say that some of the other races like Nord, Imperial, and possible Khajiit could use a buff to their racial passives. These are just my opinions but over all I like how many of the classes are currently. I just know if something gets changes though its either going to not work correctly for so long it becomes a feature or its going to be poorly implemented.

Aliyavana

Neutral

I think any race any alliance should be made free so that all alliances can have equal access to races which vary in strength.

Leeched

Very Negative

We all know ZOS way of "balancing" stuff. They are totally out of touch with the game/community. This whole racial passive change idea itself feels like they mostly gonna do it to force people to buy (multiple) race change tokens from the crown store.

Ramber

Very Negative

Ive written this 4 times now i just cant post it cause im so at a lack for words. This is a terrible idea and makes me really sad that being a cat or an argonian would mean they are pretty much the same as any other race??? OMG WHY?? Why play at all if this is the case, or pay for eso plus or EVER need to pay 3000 crowns for a racial change. I cant even think how this would be a good thing.

CyrusArya

Negative

Id much rather see underperforming races brought up to par rather than anything be nerfed. The reality is, no one likes logging in to a patch where their characters are weaker than they were the the day before.

There’s only two races that are overloaded in my opinion anyways, Argonian and Orc. So sweeping changes to racials across the board doesn’t really make sense to me. My input would be to: slightly tone down the two I listed; keep Redguard, Altmer, Dunmer, and Bosmer at the current power level; buff Imperial, Breton, Khajiit, and Nord.

Bottom line is, I like that races function differently and I think it adds an important layer to character building, so I’d prefer it stay that way even if performance is more equalized.

Hotdog_23

Very cautions

Acrolas

PTS isn't until January at the earliest.

Took many other things to think about until then.

Abigail

Very Negative

After the sorc escapade I revisited my stamden, stamblade, and two magblades. I actually like the magblades very much, and given my constrained circumstances they're a lot easier to play than I thought. One is Breton MB, the other is a Dunmer.

I'll not be particularly pleased if ZOS dings my new-found favorites. I don't do the racial swap thing. Each of my alts has their own unique personality and I won't arbitrarily switch them.

In making their changes, I really do hope ZOS accounts for the connection players have with their alts, which for many of us goes well beyond chasing new gear.

Coincidentally, my new Magblade will be outfitted in 5x spinners, 5x julianos, and 2x mad tinkerer staves (flame on front bar, lightning on the back bar for my aoes. Everything is improved to legendary, except the spinners jewelry, which is purple.Should be fun build on my Dunmer. I'll enchant my jewelry with weap dmg, crit should be good, and I'll be near cap for penetration. My chief challenge, I think, will be sustain.

Amdar_Godkiller

Positive

Ramber wrote: »

Ive written this 4 times now i just cant post it cause im so at a lack for words. This is a terrible idea and makes me really sad that being a cat or an argonian would mean they are pretty much the same as any other race??? OMG WHY?? Why play at all if this is the case, or pay for eso plus or EVER need to pay 3000 crowns for a racial change. I cant even think how this would be a good thing.

Who said they were going to be the same? It sounds like the opposite, like racial passives will become more powerful and unique.

SHADOW2KK

Very Negative

The mind boggles at what ZoS can do going by their previous exploits at balancing.

RavenSworn

Very Positive

Y'all making polls like the changes are already out.

WuffyCerulei

Very Positive

Hopefully they'll make it so people aren't stuck to 1 or 2 races to both do good damage or sustain. I mean, stamina dps are stuck to redguard to not have to heavy attack in their rotation. Magicka dps are stuck to dunmer and probs more so altmer this patch with the changes to sustain.

TheYKcid

Negative

It could be a decent idea in theory, but I've very little faith ZOS will handle things in a reasonable manner.

Argo and Orc are top in PvP because they provide a wide variety of strong bonuses that are all highly applicable to the gametype, where you need a well-rounded build.

Redguard is top in PvE because it offers the two most valuable metrics for stamDPS: damage and sustain. It's actually quite meh in PvP and far from meta. Argo on the other hand is BiS for tanking and healing too.

Of these, only Argo is genuinely overtuned, evidenced by how it can excel at all roles, from both gametypes, whether stam or mag.

The other races are good at their niche but nothing special beyond that—and that's great. It makes race a meaningful choice beyond mere cosmetic appearance and gives players the option to specialise into a unique build.

But I'm almost certain we'll receive heavy-handed, indiscriminate nerfs to the above, based on superficial factors like popularity.

Speaking of which, weren't Altmer reported to be the most universally popular race in the stats ZOS published recently? Great, expect some Altmer nerfs too just to ream Magsorcs even further.

Tasear

Bookmarked thread to review at later date.

phermitgb

Neutral

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY6RyRkl9uo

I feel neutral - because, at least for the moment, I don't know what any of the changes will actually be, so I can't feel much of one way or the other about it yet

that being said, I'm generally of two minds about racial passives - the way my character "looks" is ultimately more important to me than the passives they have, so I pick appearance first, and then look for passives that fit my build idea while still allowing me most tolerable appearance change

to be specific, my current main is an imp nightblade - he started as a breton nightblade, cuz that's the way I wanted the character to look - being a breton stam nightblade has...issues - redguard would have been nearly perfect, but for whatever dippy-ass reason, ZOS decided that different races would have certain fundamental, unchangeable models/textures, and I couldn't make a redguard look quite the way I wanted, so I settled in the middle with imperial. more appropriate passives than the breton, but still with the appearance that I wanted

if ZOS TOTALLY guts the passives of my various race choices, I'll still stick with the one that looks closest to the way I want my character to "look" - hell, I may even go back to breton (just cuz i've always liked the breton) if the imp passives alter so dramatically that being breton doesn't make any difference - if I suddenly get the option for redguard passives but I can still look breton/imperialish, then I'll scoop that up in a heartbeat, cuz that'd synergize with my build ideas a lot better

but until the actual changes come out, I can't say if I'm positive or negative - all I know is that if they alter the way my character looks without offering me a free body change, I'll scream bloody murder

Silver_Strider

Neutral

Since I'm someone that would prefer Racial Passives to bite the dust entirely, any changes to them that would help to equalize them are welcomed. However, since I can't imagine what ZOS has in mind, maybe they'll make Racial imbalance even worse somehow; they have a knack for finding the most obscure way to screw up that I can't tell whether to be impressed or disgusted honestly.

Girl_Number8

Very Negative

After Murkmire I guess Zos is nerfing the enjoyment of the game. Whoever coined the catch phrase balance at Zos, lmao, must of worked in politics because all they have been doing is slowly killing a good game that had a nice learning curve and fun theory crafting unlike any other game out there, making it unique. Though just as playstyles are becoming lackluster and boring and the classes are losing any identity they had, eso itself now reflects this is in bland content and just seems to be catering to new players that just whine. Zos tends to get more wrong then right imo, a great example is how they ignore the never ending game performance issues and most of all the 'servers'.

RaddlemanNumber7

Neutral

It hasn't happened yet. Ask me again when it happens.

JinMori

Very Negative

Very negative because from what i get is that they want to nerf everything to make in irrelevant instead of buffing the weaker races.

But what can you expect from zos.

BigBadVolk

Neutral

I expect the worse, so I wont get dissapointed, so time to save some crowns till next update!

Shadow-Fighter

Very Negative

If ain't broke don't fix it

oxygen_thief

Very Negative

they will turn everything upside down to make you pay for a race change token. i just cant believe they can improve the game

Shadow-Fighter

Very Negative

What was the main reason they changed first? Think about that.

No Vision!

O_LYKOS

Very Negative

They need to just leave *** alone. Focus on making the game stable and working correctly instead of changing stuff that doesn’t need to be changed.

I want to be able to log in and play the game without long load screens. Blue screening. I don’t want to be in combat for ten minutes after a fight. I don’t want to pick up a quest and be frozen in place for 10 seconds. I want my skills to actually work as intended.

Fix the game first Zos before implementing changes and probably breaking the game even more.

Shadow-Fighter

Very Negative

BigBadVolk wrote: »

I expect the worse, so I wont get dissapointed, so time to save some crowns till next update!

Good thought

I would not wonder if they gonna start adding new race and homogenize the current ones like they did with the warden class