Solving AotP

Red_Nine

Ruckly wrote: »

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frozywozy wrote: »

It's funny that the only reason why this thread is still opened is because staff members have no idea what an AotP is.

The thread probably hasn't been closed because the original problem hasn't been solved. Rather the original problem would appear to have manifested in the campaign score. DC down 1800 points with 16 days to go after 3 close campaigns? The campaign is pretty much over for DC at this point I would say but to compound the problem even further EP has a troll guild parking in nikel outpost(worth 1 point) for way to long shutting down the lane between DC and AD. I don't have a clue what's going on it seems the overall EP strategy is to try and get everyone to swap to one faction and have boring campaigns again like the ones before the previous three.

The flaw in your thinking is to attribute any sort of strategy to a crowd, whatever alliance. Sure a guild may strategize, and even a couple guilds may. But to assume that every guild in a given faction is coordinating is optimistic at best. This is the flaw with the entire topic. You're farting in the wind when you try to tell people how to play and organize themselves when most of the time such organization does not exist. Even AP is only on for a couple hours at a time, a few times a week. If you generously say AP is on for 8 hours or even 10 hours a week, you have the remaining 158-160 hours with some other dynamic going on that has nothing to do with AP. There is no villain caressing his moustache as he directs the masses of players against your play experience. As much as you'd like there to be one, there isn't. It's just a *** game engine for large-scale PvP.

Ruckly

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Ruckly wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

It's funny that the only reason why this thread is still opened is because staff members have no idea what an AotP is.

The thread probably hasn't been closed because the original problem hasn't been solved. Rather the original problem would appear to have manifested in the campaign score. DC down 1800 points with 16 days to go after 3 close campaigns? The campaign is pretty much over for DC at this point I would say but to compound the problem even further EP has a troll guild parking in nikel outpost(worth 1 point) for way to long shutting down the lane between DC and AD. I don't have a clue what's going on it seems the overall EP strategy is to try and get everyone to swap to one faction and have boring campaigns again like the ones before the previous three.

The flaw in your thinking is to attribute any sort of strategy to a crowd, whatever alliance. Sure a guild may strategize, and even a couple guilds may. But to assume that every guild in a given faction is coordinating is optimistic at best. This is the flaw with the entire topic. You're farting in the wind when you try to tell people how to play and organize themselves when most of the time such organization does not exist. Even AP is only on for a couple hours at a time, a few times a week. If you generously say AP is on for 8 hours or even 10 hours a week, you have the remaining 158-160 hours with some other dynamic going on that has nothing to do with AP. There is no villain caressing his moustache as he directs the masses of players against your play experience. As much as you'd like there to be one, there isn't. It's just a *** game engine for large-scale PvP.

Every sentence in that paragraph that does not have AP in it is wrong or pointless. I have a little time now so I'll go through one by one.

The flaw in your thinking is to attribute any sort of strategy to a crowd, whatever alliance.

No idea what the point of this sentence is. Napoleon who has a strategy and no army has nothing practical to attribute the strategy to.

Sure a guild may strategize, and even a couple guilds may.

No idea what the point of this sentence is. Guilds strategize. I would say all guilds strategize.

But to assume that every guild in a given faction is coordinating is optimistic at best.

No idea what the point of this sentence is. I stated guilds operated autonomously in DC. I don't think I stated anywhere that guilds in other alliances did otherwise.

This is the flaw with the entire topic.

I don't have a clue what "this" is, what the flaw of the "this" is, or what it has to do with the entire topic. Everything prior is wrong or pointless so I will assume the "this" is the same.

You're farting in the wind when you try to tell people how to play and organize themselves when most of the time such organization does not exist.

When the OP was created AotP organized themselves in such a way to lag bomb relentlessly day after day. If you say it is vain for me to point out that lag bombing is bad then so be it. If you claim that it never happened that is not true. If you claim most of the time which would be first week campaign prime-time day after day this did not happen or this organization did not exist you would be wrong.

There is no villain caressing his moustache as he directs the masses of players against your play experience.

Based on statements made in this thread and what has been seen in game this is wrong. Amplifying the rhetoric with imagery does not change the fact.

As much as you'd like there to be one, there isn't.

I don't want there to be one at all. The thread is about lag bombing but has evolved into a spectrum of deviant behavior from particular agents.

It's just a *** game engine for large-scale PvP.

It is maybe not the best game engine but it is not "just" that. Otherwise every battle everywhere would have the same problems. That doesn't happen unless someone organizes a group of people to stack somewhere which you say doesn't exist but empirical data says otherwise.

Luthid

Yea @Ruckly I agree that is seems like the damage is done. I too have stopped bothering with zone callouts or trying to play the map.

~Lucid

Ruckly

At this timestamp 65+ EP ran through dclaw FD. 3 raids.

Ruckly

At this time stamp 3 raids ep were in alesworth courtyard. I exited courtyard and tried re-entering through breach disconnecting on approach.

Ruckly

At this timestamp 50 marched into glade. I railed away with det and fire ruin and killed few. Then blew 10 up with shatter soul as they were running through ID. Lost the keep but punching through all the earthgore was satisfying .

Ralamil

Red_Nine wrote: »

It's just a *** game engine for large-scale PvP.

That you knowingly take advantage of because you have no other way to compete. We get it. Don't think so highly of yourself that you believe any of us think you villains. You're just cancerous to the health the game. That's it.

_Crow

Whew! Had some awesome zerg fights Tonight! 😃 Amazing we can make such a difference for only running 8 hours a week! ❤️ Although EP being so much better then AD and DC at the moment helps!

Ralamil

_Crow wrote: »

Whew! Had some awesome zerg fights Tonight! 😃 Amazing we can make such a difference for only running 8 hours a week! ❤️ Although EP being so much better then AD and DC at the moment helps!

Slaughtering your group mercilessly when 100 of your swarmed to Drake was amusing. Pretty sure we've got a nice video of that.

Delsskia

The Drake slaughter was fun, until 1/3 of our group crashed.

_Crow

That was a good bombing I will admit! 😉 Definitely caught me off guard haha! See! You can fight us! @Ralamil

Ruckly

_Crow wrote: »

Whew! Had some awesome zerg fights Tonight! 😃 Amazing we can make such a difference for only running 8 hours a week! ❤️ Although EP being so much better then AD and DC at the moment helps!

You make a huge difference. No one wants to fight you because you make them crash. But when they do bodies explode everywhere. My casts are going off more consistently now so get used to being dead a lot more. You are a giant AP reservoir both you and the keeps taken back. A little "cancerous" faction generaling should turn you into delicious lemming pie.

Ralamil

_Crow wrote: »

That was a good bombing I will admit! 😉 Definitely caught me off guard haha! See! You can fight us! @Ralamil

Sure, when you haven't lagged the server to the point of skills not firing. It's never been a question of whether not I or any given AD guild is able to fight you. It's whether or not the server will let us.

Before proclaiming yourself an amazing leader - or letting your minions do that for you - might I suggest you work on being able to accomplish with 24 what other people do with 24 or fewer, rather than with your usual 72+. Because as it currently stands, I guarantee that if you didn't intentionally bring the server to its knees, no one would be talking about you.

_Crow

Hmm... All good points 🤔. WAIT! I have got it! If everyone joins Army of the Pact, then there won't be any lag because you will all be in my lag proof shield that ZOS gave me! 😃 Solved! On to the next forum, see you all in raid! ❤️

Ralamil

_Crow wrote: »

Hmm... All good points 🤔. WAIT! I have got it! If everyone joins Army of the Pact, then there won't be any lag because you will all be in my lag proof shield that ZOS gave me! 😃 Solved! On to the next forum, see you all in raid! ❤️

Sorry crowsy, I think you'll find people with self-respect wouldn't mindlessly join the ranks of someone so impotent that they need to rely on lag exploiting to be "effective" (and I use the word lightly).

Basically, you're not worthy of being in the same guild as most of us, nevermind having the audacity to consider yourself a leader. xD

_Crow

What if I let you lead raid #23 if you join? They Are a good bunch of people who are ready to Zerg it up with raid #17!

Ruckly

_Crow wrote: »

What if I let you lead raid #23 if you join? They Are a good bunch of people who are ready to Zerg it up with raid #17!

That doesn't even make any sense stop trolling this thread please. You cause enough problems in the game you don't need to troll bomb this forum too.

Ralamil

_Crow wrote: »

What if I let you lead raid #23 if you join? They Are a good bunch of people who are ready to Zerg it up with raid #17!

I think my response would be "No. Also, do you have a hat?" lol

Ruckly

Ralamil wrote: »

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_Crow wrote: »

What if I let you lead raid #23 if you join? They Are a good bunch of people who are ready to Zerg it up with raid #17!

I think my response would be "No. Also, do you have a hat?" lol

He's a sociopath. Sociopaths don't need hats they need help. How do you think this got this far?

Thoragaal

Ruckly wrote: »

At this time stamp 3 raids ep were in alesworth courtyard. I exited courtyard and tried re-entering through breach disconnecting on approach.

I don't know if it's been brought up already, but, why don't you actively avoid the zerg and go for a different keep where the zerg isn't at? Why do you put yourself in that situation when you know the lag that comes with it?

_Crow

Ruckly wrote: »

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_Crow wrote: »

What if I let you lead raid #23 if you join? They Are a good bunch of people who are ready to Zerg it up with raid #17!

That doesn't even make any sense stop trolling this thread please. You cause enough problems in the game you don't need to troll bomb this forum too.

The Lord of Lag is speaking through me, I am just a voice for his just cause, for Cyro is Dark and Full of Terror.

mague

Ruckly wrote: »

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_Crow wrote: »

What if I let you lead raid #23 if you join? They Are a good bunch of people who are ready to Zerg it up with raid #17!

That doesn't even make any sense stop trolling this thread please. You cause enough problems in the game you don't need to troll bomb this forum too.

Its a thread about him. You cant exclude him.

mague

_Crow wrote: »

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Ruckly wrote: »

_Crow wrote: »

What if I let you lead raid #23 if you join? They Are a good bunch of people who are ready to Zerg it up with raid #17!

That doesn't even make any sense stop trolling this thread please. You cause enough problems in the game you don't need to troll bomb this forum too.

The Lord of Lag is speaking through me, I am just a voice for his just cause, for Cyro is Dark and Full of Terror.

I am on PC/EU but wondering if you are for real. Because Cyro is really full of dark and terror. At least every 2nd day i could provide screenshots how certain individuals put their di** into everyones face and then pi**ing on everyone. They literally suck the fun out of the air. Time for some nice PvE, Cyro is so disgusting.

Ahtu

You can reduce lag and disconnects by typing your name into the guild roster search box. This was discovered a few days ago and ZOS has already acknowledged the issue and said that a fix is on the way. See here for more details:

https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/a3c24j/performance_what_do_you_guys_make_of_this/

_Crow

In all seriousness, again, we are only on for 8 hours a week, so you are more then capable of playing without us around for any of the 160 hours in the week! Hmm... Sort of like how EP deals with that HUGE AD Zerg that caps the map every night, we just play when they are not on 🤔 and still enjoy PvP.

frozywozy

_Crow wrote: »

In all seriousness, again, we are only on for 8 hours a week, so you are more then capable of playing without us around for any of the 160 hours in the week! Hmm... Sort of like how EP deals with that HUGE AD Zerg that caps the map every night, we just play when they are not on 🤔 and still enjoy PvP.

As long as you keep splitting your raids that represent at least 2/3 of the faction on two different fronts and fight both factions instead of stacking them all on one side of the map while we lose the other like what happened at Glade and Warden yesterday that led to us losing Sej, Drake, Harlun and Brk.

I'm all up for big guilds that bring interest into Cyrodiil for pve players and friends. Just not into having 2/3 of the faction pushing one side while 1/3 try to hold against the other in atrocious performances.

Reverb

_Crow wrote: »

In all seriousness, again, we are only on for 8 hours a week, so you are more then capable of playing without us around for any of the 160 hours in the week! Hmm... Sort of like how EP deals with that HUGE AD Zerg that caps the map every night, we just play when they are not on 🤔 and still enjoy PvP.

Maybe you only run 8 hours a week, but we're starting to see multi-raid stacks wearing aotp tabards at times you aren't even online. This is your legacy. The cancer has spread. That your proposed solution is telling other factions not to play during prime time makes clear how unhealthy the culture you have created is for the game.

Theignson

Ralamil wrote: »

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_Crow wrote: »

Whew! Had some awesome zerg fights Tonight! 😃 Amazing we can make such a difference for only running 8 hours a week! ❤️ Although EP being so much better then AD and DC at the moment helps!

Slaughtering your group mercilessly when 100 of your swarmed to Drake was amusing. Pretty sure we've got a nice video of that.

AD slaughtered lots of EP when we first ran in the FD. Taking Drake this time required an additional wall breach. However, EP did take Drake in this fight. No way did EP have 100 at Drake last night. AP was asking for AP2 in zone chat which means they didn't even have 48.

Theignson

Reverb wrote: »

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_Crow wrote: »

In all seriousness, again, we are only on for 8 hours a week, so you are more then capable of playing without us around for any of the 160 hours in the week! Hmm... Sort of like how EP deals with that HUGE AD Zerg that caps the map every night, we just play when they are not on 🤔 and still enjoy PvP.

Maybe you only run 8 hours a week, but we're starting to see multi-raid stacks wearing aotp tabards at times you aren't even online. This is your legacy. The cancer has spread. That your proposed solution is telling other factions not to play during prime time makes clear how unhealthy the culture you have created is for the game.

This thread is full of ridiculous ideas, for example that AP is the reason EP is winning. They only play 10 hours a week and often have less than 2 full raids.
No other group has 50 EP when AP is not running.
Ahtu will run around with anywhere from 12 to 25 people when not in an AP raid. He is a big reason for EP success this campaign. He is on all the time and organizes people.
There is now at least one EP guild running the non prime time hours. That is how EP had 6 scrolls and EMP the other day. (I logged on much early than usual and saw them getting the last 2 scrolls on the map) . This is exactly how AD won the last few campaigns, yet now AD come here and complain about it.
Often AP spends prime time trying (and not always succeeding) to just defend what the day crews got. The other night in prime time EP was reduced to two keeps.
Finally, the absurd idea that AP causes all the lag and that they are somehow immune to the lag. NO. EP also lags just as much. I have constantly disconnected when approaching keeps full of the AD zerg (which , btw often tips the scales close to 80)

NBrookus

I am no fan of what AP is doing, because it lags the hell out of the server and sucks the fun out of the campaign, whether you on on the same side or the opposite.

But if it's just about bringing numbers to a fight, where was the DC outrage when IA was stacking three raids every afternoon last month versus single bar pops?

With EP on top, it's attracting a lot of extra red population throughout the day, which is par for the course. But this too shall pass. It always does.