Bleed is killing PVP

Chrlynsch · March 2019

Kaysha wrote: »

What does the master bleed do to you? You either have to get full defensive, in which case you will not win the fight, or you run away. Because you won´t be able to heal through the bleed while applying enough pressure to kill your opponent.

And please enlighten my, if that´s a lie.

And please keep in mind, that I´m only speaking about NO CP here.

First you said it added 1500 dps, I corrected you by saying it was half that number because it does damage every 2 seconds.

You said everyone that defends master dw is a hypocrite because they want to keep their I win button, "I defended it" but do not own or ever used the weapons in combat, so how does that make me a hypocrite?

The statement you just posted, I have no idea if it is a lie or not, as I can't speak for everyone who ever encountered a bleed build. I personally eat bleed bois all day, and have no issues with them.

Minalan · March 2019

Kaysha wrote: »

No, wrong answer. I didn´t ask for a monster set.

You just reduced my damage by 30% and my defence by 10%. Try again.

You said two piece set. Monster counts.

Kaysha wrote: »

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Kaysha wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Bleeds are in a fine place, tanks need to stop crying. You have a counter, and I'm glad to see you all dying for a change.

The game needs to be harder than holding block 24/7.

Where is the 2 piece set that gives me 1500 HPS for pressing one button. And I don´t play tanks btw.

What does 1500 hps have to do with anything?

Master DW adds 1500 DPS without any sacrifice. And you just have to press one button. Where is a comparable counter?

It sounds like you want a tank build that doesn't ever die while you do damage too.

Yeah no...

Ragnarock41 · March 2019

Minalan wrote: »

Kaysha wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Bleeds are in a fine place, tanks need to stop crying. You have a counter, and I'm glad to see you all dying for a change.

The game needs to be harder than holding block 24/7.

Where is the 2 piece set that gives me 1500 HPS for pressing one button. And I don´t play tanks btw.

I don't know, troll king plus lingering health pots?

What do I win? Is there a prize?

Yeah, overpowered free healing as counter to overpowered free damage.

And what happens when you combine both? Mind blown yet?

Chrlynsch · March 2019

Kaysha wrote: »

What does the master bleed do to you? You either have to get full defensive, in which case you will not win the fight, or you run away. Because you won´t be able to heal through the bleed while applying enough pressure to kill your opponent.

And please enlighten my, if that´s a lie.

And please keep in mind, that I´m only speaking about NO CP here.

Wait we are talking No CP pvp. So increased damage is even less, going from 750 dps to 375. So really you only need 1250 hps in no cp in order to offset the damage increase while using the BRP resto.

Kaysha · March 2019

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Kaysha wrote: »

What does the master bleed do to you? You either have to get full defensive, in which case you will not win the fight, or you run away. Because you won´t be able to heal through the bleed while applying enough pressure to kill your opponent.

And please enlighten my, if that´s a lie.

And please keep in mind, that I´m only speaking about NO CP here.

Wait we are talking No CP pvp. So increased damage is even less, going from 750 dps to 375. So really you only need 1250 hps in no cp in order to offset the damage increase while using the BRP resto.

OK

Sypherioth · March 2019

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

@Sypherioth Agree but that's a balance issue - CP vs Non CP As on this post "Bleeds are killing PvP "Cp not an issue for the past 8 months non CP maybe ya but i feel that's the reward of completing VDSA and VMA VBRP and other vet content.

Non Cp is actually day 1 of eso and if your in bgs and those players have completed those arenas thus rewarded with OP weapons as it should be. In CP it's actually a joke were it's at the resistances are so high vs dot damage and bleeds been nerfed so much even if it ignores the resistances you have blocking sets or sets that reduce damage significantly it does nothing anymore. If you still struggle with bleeds inside of CP than its 100% a l2p.

It's not about struggling with bleeds it's about 1 bleed doing way to much dmg compared to others. WW bleed is like 1.4k a tick and thats a big one no? Rending slash can go over 2k easily with masters weapons. Compare that with dk dots that do maybe 500-600 a tick on medium armors. Compare with sloads to.

Also bleed kill me in BG. But not alot because not everyone uses them and not everyone has these silly OP one. But they kill me because with only vigor there is no way i'm gonna outheal that. You need to purge or outheal. And the last option will be tough with other inc dmg. It's not a L2P issue. It's a balance issue. And it makes people stick to certain skills which reduces the diversity.

If I used 2hander then ofc these bleeds are barely a problem because I would have a great heal next to vigor. Also im fully aware of my choice not using a 2hander. But just pointig out that it's not always L2P sometimes it's also that you just need the counters for it. Many people that kill others in duels think they are OP. Actualy it's just silly to think. It just means the other build doesn't have the counters in many cases.

That said. Masters weapons are a to big buff to an already great dot. But it's not killing PVP.

Sypherioth · March 2019

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Kaysha wrote: »

What does the master bleed do to you? You either have to get full defensive, in which case you will not win the fight, or you run away. Because you won´t be able to heal through the bleed while applying enough pressure to kill your opponent.

And please enlighten my, if that´s a lie.

And please keep in mind, that I´m only speaking about NO CP here.

Wait we are talking No CP pvp. So increased damage is even less, going from 750 dps to 375. So really you only need 1250 hps in no cp in order to offset the damage increase while using the BRP resto.

Maybe go BG and just play until you met a few bleed specs. Then come talk numbers again.

Rikumaru · March 2019

Minalan wrote: »

Bleeds are in a fine place, tanks need to stop crying. You have a counter, and I'm glad to see you all dying for a change.

The game needs to be harder than holding block 24/7.

Bleeds hurt medium builds more than heavy builds. Why? Because you can easily get damage in heavy via bleeds and also have more healing to counter bleeds.

Seenoevil · March 2019

I put master axes on my stam nb
I then put 5pcs blood drinker on
I then put 5 PCs deadly strike on

I rerolled khajit and then took the shadow mundus and made a crit heavy bleed build.

I have NEVER in all my time of eso recieved so much salt... I thinks its *** hilarious

Chrlynsch · March 2019

Sypherioth wrote: »

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Kaysha wrote: »

What does the master bleed do to you? You either have to get full defensive, in which case you will not win the fight, or you run away. Because you won´t be able to heal through the bleed while applying enough pressure to kill your opponent.

And please enlighten my, if that´s a lie.

And please keep in mind, that I´m only speaking about NO CP here.

Wait we are talking No CP pvp. So increased damage is even less, going from 750 dps to 375. So really you only need 1250 hps in no cp in order to offset the damage increase while using the BRP resto.

Maybe go BG and just play until you met a few bleed specs. Then come talk numbers again.

K

StShoot · March 2019

Minalan wrote: »

My permablock tank died to a bleed dot! I can't be bothered to change my build or do anything other than drool on my block key.

Bleeds need a nerf, I should never ever die!

yeah bleeds killed s&b/s&b builds in pvp so most of the magic useres adjusted and played a restro for the shield
Same happend with Stamina, they started using trollking over bloodspawn and other monstersets

Than zos maked shields critable and changed them to scale with the resistance
-> using a single shield is usless now

and pls dont say now i have to invest cps to take less dmg from bleeds, i play on sotha.

So tell this sad potato player (me) how to adjust

The only thing i can imagen is to get a stamblade myself (cloack>dots)
and equip masteraxes+ viper krecken and join that *** ****

im talking only about ncps

Ragnarock41 · March 2019

StShoot wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

My permablock tank died to a bleed dot! I can't be bothered to change my build or do anything other than drool on my block key.

Bleeds need a nerf, I should never ever die!

yeah bleeds killed s&b/s&b builds in pvp so most of the magic useres adjusted and played a restro for the shield
Same happend with Stamina, they started using trollking over bloodspawn and other monstersets

Than zos maked shields critable and changed them to scale with the resistance
-> using a single shield is usless now

and pls dont say now i have to invest cps to take less dmg from bleeds, i play on sotha.

So tell this sad potato player (me) how to adjust

The only thing i can imagen is to get a stamblade myself (cloack>dots)
and equip masteraxes+ viper krecken and join that *** ****

im talking only about ncps

Can confirm the very popular bleed meta in no-CP actually pushed me to use troll king and bleeds myself, since it seems to be the most effective way of doing damage and getting self healing, with the least sustain hit. Both of which taken a hit in the last patch. My medium armor orc still gets about 2500 hp regen with troll king up and my bleeds still pack a heavy punch, so the adjustments made were definitely for the better. This patch I actually go between blood spawn and troll king, TK doesn't feel like a must have now, which is good.

As for shield users, mainly magsorcs, I don't see them having any survivability issues lately. I'm pretty sure you can ask those petsorcs what they're running and some of them will give you a build. They seem to be doing monstrously high burst damage, high survivability and high mobility/sustain combined. To be honest, they're more scary than stamblades in the hands of a good player.

Kaysha · March 2019

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

StShoot wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

My permablock tank died to a bleed dot! I can't be bothered to change my build or do anything other than drool on my block key.

Bleeds need a nerf, I should never ever die!

yeah bleeds killed s&b/s&b builds in pvp so most of the magic useres adjusted and played a restro for the shield
Same happend with Stamina, they started using trollking over bloodspawn and other monstersets

Than zos maked shields critable and changed them to scale with the resistance
-> using a single shield is usless now

and pls dont say now i have to invest cps to take less dmg from bleeds, i play on sotha.

So tell this sad potato player (me) how to adjust

The only thing i can imagen is to get a stamblade myself (cloack>dots)
and equip masteraxes+ viper krecken and join that *** ****

im talking only about ncps

Can confirm the very popular bleed meta in no-CP actually pushed me to use troll king and bleeds myself, since it seems to be the most effective way of doing damage and getting self healing, with the least sustain hit. Both of which taken a hit in the last patch. My medium armor orc still gets about 2500 hp regen with troll king up and my bleeds still pack a heavy punch, so the adjustments made were definitely for the better. This patch I actually go between blood spawn and troll king, TK doesn't feel like a must have now, which is good.

As for shield users, mainly magsorcs, I don't see them having any survivability issues lately. I'm pretty sure you can ask those petsorcs what they're running and some of them will give you a build. They seem to be doing monstrously high burst damage, high survivability and high mobility/sustain combined. To be honest, they're more scary than stamblades in the hands of a good player.

It´s hard to be a petsorc when you´re not a sorc in the first place

BlackMadara · March 2019

Kaysha wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

StShoot wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

My permablock tank died to a bleed dot! I can't be bothered to change my build or do anything other than drool on my block key.

Bleeds need a nerf, I should never ever die!

yeah bleeds killed s&b/s&b builds in pvp so most of the magic useres adjusted and played a restro for the shield
Same happend with Stamina, they started using trollking over bloodspawn and other monstersets

Than zos maked shields critable and changed them to scale with the resistance
-> using a single shield is usless now

and pls dont say now i have to invest cps to take less dmg from bleeds, i play on sotha.

So tell this sad potato player (me) how to adjust

The only thing i can imagen is to get a stamblade myself (cloack>dots)
and equip masteraxes+ viper krecken and join that *** ****

im talking only about ncps

Can confirm the very popular bleed meta in no-CP actually pushed me to use troll king and bleeds myself, since it seems to be the most effective way of doing damage and getting self healing, with the least sustain hit. Both of which taken a hit in the last patch. My medium armor orc still gets about 2500 hp regen with troll king up and my bleeds still pack a heavy punch, so the adjustments made were definitely for the better. This patch I actually go between blood spawn and troll king, TK doesn't feel like a must have now, which is good.

As for shield users, mainly magsorcs, I don't see them having any survivability issues lately. I'm pretty sure you can ask those petsorcs what they're running and some of them will give you a build. They seem to be doing monstrously high burst damage, high survivability and high mobility/sustain combined. To be honest, they're more scary than stamblades in the hands of a good player.

It´s hard to be a petsorc when you´re not a sorc in the first place

So state what you are and maybe people can give you good suggestions

MentalxHammer · March 2019

For those of you calling for a tune-down of masters axes dont forget not too long ago they nerfed them to 1350 damage per tick from 1500. Any lower and it would just be an insult to everyone who worked hard for these weapons. If you're complaining about this just make some friends and run it a couple times, I pull 35k dps and didnt have trouble obtaining them.

MentalxHammer · March 2019

Also for those of you saying that crit damage is an issue in non CP this is a long standing myth, the CP tree that adds crit damage has a max of 25% crit damage added, whereas the tree that mitigates crit damage mitigates up to 25% crit damage. Yes we all die faster in non CP but the damage from bleeds is essentially proportional to all other incoming damage sources.

Ragnarock41 · March 2019

jacobabado wrote: »

For those of you calling for a tune-down of masters axes dont forget not too long ago they nerfed them to 1350 damage per tick from 1500. Any lower and it would just be an insult to everyone who worked hard for these weapons. If you're complaining about this just make some friends and run it a couple times, I pull 35k dps and didnt have trouble obtaining them.

My Dk with master axes gets about 27k* tooltip on rending slashes, and this is on a DK with mostly defensive setup. It can still push monstrously high damage values. You're telling its hard to get these weapons and also saying its easy to get. Can you at least make up your mind before posting here?

Sypherioth · March 2019

Sypherioth wrote: »

Kaysha wrote: »

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Kaysha wrote: »

What does the master bleed do to you? You either have to get full defensive, in which case you will not win the fight, or you run away. Because you won´t be able to heal through the bleed while applying enough pressure to kill your opponent.

And please enlighten my, if that´s a lie.

And please keep in mind, that I´m only speaking about NO CP here.

Wait we are talking No CP pvp. So increased damage is even less, going from 750 dps to 375. So really you only need 1250 hps in no cp in order to offset the damage increase while using the BRP resto.

OK

Maybe go BG and just play until you met a few bleed specs. Then come talk numbers again.

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Sypherioth wrote: »

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Kaysha wrote: »

What does the master bleed do to you? You either have to get full defensive, in which case you will not win the fight, or you run away. Because you won´t be able to heal through the bleed while applying enough pressure to kill your opponent.

And please enlighten my, if that´s a lie.

And please keep in mind, that I´m only speaking about NO CP here.

Wait we are talking No CP pvp. So increased damage is even less, going from 750 dps to 375. So really you only need 1250 hps in no cp in order to offset the damage increase while using the BRP resto.

Maybe go BG and just play until you met a few bleed specs. Then come talk numbers again.

K

You sure you met bleed spec??

To me it more looks like your the one running a bleed spec in some heavy tank/heal gear and thats why talking *** in here. Maybe your bleed does indeed just 375dps. It would explain all these assist.

Iskiab · March 2019

Kaysha wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Bleeds are in a fine place, tanks need to stop crying. You have a counter, and I'm glad to see you all dying for a change.

The game needs to be harder than holding block 24/7.

Then tell me what the counter to bleed builds is in NO CP plz.

Self healing

Where is the 2 piece set that gives me 1500 HPS for pressing one button. And I don´t play tanks btw.[/quote]

Vigor plus troll king. Vigor is about 800 and so’s troll king. Health regen ticks every 2 seconds.

ecru · March 2019

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

jacobabado wrote: »

For those of you calling for a tune-down of masters axes dont forget not too long ago they nerfed them to 1350 damage per tick from 1500. Any lower and it would just be an insult to everyone who worked hard for these weapons. If you're complaining about this just make some friends and run it a couple times, I pull 35k dps and didnt have trouble obtaining them.

My Dk with master axes gets about 27k* tooltip on rending slashes, and this is on a DK with mostly defensive setup. It can still push monstrously high damage values. You're telling its hard to get these weapons and also saying its easy to get. Can you at least make up your mind before posting here?

You might want to post a screenshot of that 27k tooltip and let us know how you managed to hit 5 digit weapon damage.

Noctus · March 2019

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Sypherioth wrote: »

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Kaysha wrote: »

What does the master bleed do to you? You either have to get full defensive, in which case you will not win the fight, or you run away. Because you won´t be able to heal through the bleed while applying enough pressure to kill your opponent.

And please enlighten my, if that´s a lie.

And please keep in mind, that I´m only speaking about NO CP here.

Wait we are talking No CP pvp. So increased damage is even less, going from 750 dps to 375. So really you only need 1250 hps in no cp in order to offset the damage increase while using the BRP resto.

Maybe go BG and just play until you met a few bleed specs. Then come talk numbers again.

K

I JUST COULDNT RESIST DK FOR THE WIN. since i hold the record of highest kills id say u guys obey me (i mean agree with me)

if u like it or not bleeds are neccessary to kill healers even now 1 guy can take on 3-4 at the same time without ever beeing killed. best proove there is my pocket healer on top of the scoreboard. some healers are rly close to be immortality. he instantly just popped back my hp to 100 % each time ppl got me low and focusing him down took them to long and gave my team time to tear them appart. so yeh u gotta take some stuff into consideration.

Brrrofski · March 2019

My only issue with them is how it's a standard number. It should do X amount against light and medium then scale up a lot against heavy, which is what they originally intended for.

Far too effective against everyone, not just who they are intended for.

Ragnarock41 · March 2019

ecru wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

jacobabado wrote: »

For those of you calling for a tune-down of masters axes dont forget not too long ago they nerfed them to 1350 damage per tick from 1500. Any lower and it would just be an insult to everyone who worked hard for these weapons. If you're complaining about this just make some friends and run it a couple times, I pull 35k dps and didnt have trouble obtaining them.

My Dk with master axes gets about 27k* tooltip on rending slashes, and this is on a DK with mostly defensive setup. It can still push monstrously high damage values. You're telling its hard to get these weapons and also saying its easy to get. Can you at least make up your mind before posting here?

You might want to post a screenshot of that 27k tooltip and let us know how you managed to hit 5 digit weapon damage.

This reminds of that one time where people called bs on me when I said Its possible to have 20k vigors. Just so you know, this build doesn't use any kind of trick to achieve this tooltip. No minor/major berserk, no spell power cure, no gimmicks.

I believe if I used blooddrinker on a stamsorc I could see up to 30k easily.

https://imgur.com/a/EI9zLxE

Noctus · March 2019

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

jacobabado wrote: »

For those of you calling for a tune-down of masters axes dont forget not too long ago they nerfed them to 1350 damage per tick from 1500. Any lower and it would just be an insult to everyone who worked hard for these weapons. If you're complaining about this just make some friends and run it a couple times, I pull 35k dps and didnt have trouble obtaining them.

My Dk with master axes gets about 27k* tooltip on rending slashes, and this is on a DK with mostly defensive setup. It can still push monstrously high damage values. You're telling its hard to get these weapons and also saying its easy to get. Can you at least make up your mind before posting here?

You might want to post a screenshot of that 27k tooltip and let us know how you managed to hit 5 digit weapon damage.

This reminds of that one time where people called bs on me when I said Its possible to have 20k vigors. Just so you know, this build doesn't use any kind of trick to achieve this tooltip. No minor/major berserk, no spell power cure, no gimmicks.

I believe if I used blooddrinker on a stamsorc I could see up to 30k easily.

u have to use another upload service i guess. cant see the screenshot

Ragnarock41 · March 2019

Noctus wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

jacobabado wrote: »

For those of you calling for a tune-down of masters axes dont forget not too long ago they nerfed them to 1350 damage per tick from 1500. Any lower and it would just be an insult to everyone who worked hard for these weapons. If you're complaining about this just make some friends and run it a couple times, I pull 35k dps and didnt have trouble obtaining them.

My Dk with master axes gets about 27k* tooltip on rending slashes, and this is on a DK with mostly defensive setup. It can still push monstrously high damage values. You're telling its hard to get these weapons and also saying its easy to get. Can you at least make up your mind before posting here?

You might want to post a screenshot of that 27k tooltip and let us know how you managed to hit 5 digit weapon damage.

This reminds of that one time where people called bs on me when I said Its possible to have 20k vigors. Just so you know, this build doesn't use any kind of trick to achieve this tooltip. No minor/major berserk, no spell power cure, no gimmicks.

I believe if I used blooddrinker on a stamsorc I could see up to 30k easily.

u have to use another upload service i guess. cant see the screenshot

Thanks for the reminder, I added another source.

Noctus · March 2019

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Noctus wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

jacobabado wrote: »

For those of you calling for a tune-down of masters axes dont forget not too long ago they nerfed them to 1350 damage per tick from 1500. Any lower and it would just be an insult to everyone who worked hard for these weapons. If you're complaining about this just make some friends and run it a couple times, I pull 35k dps and didnt have trouble obtaining them.

My Dk with master axes gets about 27k* tooltip on rending slashes, and this is on a DK with mostly defensive setup. It can still push monstrously high damage values. You're telling its hard to get these weapons and also saying its easy to get. Can you at least make up your mind before posting here?

You might want to post a screenshot of that 27k tooltip and let us know how you managed to hit 5 digit weapon damage.

This reminds of that one time where people called bs on me when I said Its possible to have 20k vigors. Just so you know, this build doesn't use any kind of trick to achieve this tooltip. No minor/major berserk, no spell power cure, no gimmicks.

I believe if I used blooddrinker on a stamsorc I could see up to 30k easily.

u have to use another upload service i guess. cant see the screenshot

Thanks for the reminder, I added another source.

ive never put attention to it but thats more than 10 k increase from crippling grasp of magblade

OMFG. like how can that be.

Ragnarock41 · March 2019

Noctus wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Noctus wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

jacobabado wrote: »

For those of you calling for a tune-down of masters axes dont forget not too long ago they nerfed them to 1350 damage per tick from 1500. Any lower and it would just be an insult to everyone who worked hard for these weapons. If you're complaining about this just make some friends and run it a couple times, I pull 35k dps and didnt have trouble obtaining them.

My Dk with master axes gets about 27k* tooltip on rending slashes, and this is on a DK with mostly defensive setup. It can still push monstrously high damage values. You're telling its hard to get these weapons and also saying its easy to get. Can you at least make up your mind before posting here?

You might want to post a screenshot of that 27k tooltip and let us know how you managed to hit 5 digit weapon damage.

This reminds of that one time where people called bs on me when I said Its possible to have 20k vigors. Just so you know, this build doesn't use any kind of trick to achieve this tooltip. No minor/major berserk, no spell power cure, no gimmicks.

I believe if I used blooddrinker on a stamsorc I could see up to 30k easily.

u have to use another upload service i guess. cant see the screenshot

Thanks for the reminder, I added another source.

ive never put attention to it but thats more than 10 k increase from crippling grasp of magblade

OMFG. like how can that be.

Well this is the effect of master axes really, nothing new.

Noctus · March 2019

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Noctus wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Noctus wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

jacobabado wrote: »

For those of you calling for a tune-down of masters axes dont forget not too long ago they nerfed them to 1350 damage per tick from 1500. Any lower and it would just be an insult to everyone who worked hard for these weapons. If you're complaining about this just make some friends and run it a couple times, I pull 35k dps and didnt have trouble obtaining them.

My Dk with master axes gets about 27k* tooltip on rending slashes, and this is on a DK with mostly defensive setup. It can still push monstrously high damage values. You're telling its hard to get these weapons and also saying its easy to get. Can you at least make up your mind before posting here?

You might want to post a screenshot of that 27k tooltip and let us know how you managed to hit 5 digit weapon damage.

This reminds of that one time where people called bs on me when I said Its possible to have 20k vigors. Just so you know, this build doesn't use any kind of trick to achieve this tooltip. No minor/major berserk, no spell power cure, no gimmicks.

I believe if I used blooddrinker on a stamsorc I could see up to 30k easily.

u have to use another upload service i guess. cant see the screenshot

Thanks for the reminder, I added another source.

ive never put attention to it but thats more than 10 k increase from crippling grasp of magblade

OMFG. like how can that be.

Well this is the effect of master axes really, nothing new.

if it would atleast cost more stamina to use but as it stands thats rly mindblowing. it rly overshadows maelstrom dualwield weapons.

ecru · March 2019

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

jacobabado wrote: »

For those of you calling for a tune-down of masters axes dont forget not too long ago they nerfed them to 1350 damage per tick from 1500. Any lower and it would just be an insult to everyone who worked hard for these weapons. If you're complaining about this just make some friends and run it a couple times, I pull 35k dps and didnt have trouble obtaining them.

My Dk with master axes gets about 27k* tooltip on rending slashes, and this is on a DK with mostly defensive setup. It can still push monstrously high damage values. You're telling its hard to get these weapons and also saying its easy to get. Can you at least make up your mind before posting here?

You might want to post a screenshot of that 27k tooltip and let us know how you managed to hit 5 digit weapon damage.

This reminds of that one time where people called bs on me when I said Its possible to have 20k vigors. Just so you know, this build doesn't use any kind of trick to achieve this tooltip. No minor/major berserk, no spell power cure, no gimmicks.

I believe if I used blooddrinker on a stamsorc I could see up to 30k easily.

https://imgur.com/a/EI9zLxE

Yeah this still isn't quite right. Something is bugged one way or another. In game, equipping the master dw set has never increased the tooltip of the bleed. I'm guessing that is what is happening on yours, for some reason. Maybe it did at some point, and your screenshot is old? Your tooltip on the initial attack is attainable with around 5500 weapon damage, which seems like a lot for a "defensive setup".

Chrlynsch · March 2019

Sypherioth wrote: »

Sypherioth wrote: »

Kaysha wrote: »

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Kaysha wrote: »

What does the master bleed do to you? You either have to get full defensive, in which case you will not win the fight, or you run away. Because you won´t be able to heal through the bleed while applying enough pressure to kill your opponent.

And please enlighten my, if that´s a lie.

And please keep in mind, that I´m only speaking about NO CP here.

Wait we are talking No CP pvp. So increased damage is even less, going from 750 dps to 375. So really you only need 1250 hps in no cp in order to offset the damage increase while using the BRP resto.

OK

Maybe go BG and just play until you met a few bleed specs. Then come talk numbers again.

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Sypherioth wrote: »

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Kaysha wrote: »

What does the master bleed do to you? You either have to get full defensive, in which case you will not win the fight, or you run away. Because you won´t be able to heal through the bleed while applying enough pressure to kill your opponent.

And please enlighten my, if that´s a lie.

And please keep in mind, that I´m only speaking about NO CP here.

Wait we are talking No CP pvp. So increased damage is even less, going from 750 dps to 375. So really you only need 1250 hps in no cp in order to offset the damage increase while using the BRP resto.

Maybe go BG and just play until you met a few bleed specs. Then come talk numbers again.

K

You sure you met bleed spec??

To me it more looks like your the one running a bleed spec in some heavy tank/heal gear and thats why talking *** in here. Maybe your bleed does indeed just 375dps. It would explain all these assist.

So correcting misinformation is talking ***?