Sorc pets are now officially useless

Vahrokh

I play pet sorc since years, from regular questing to hard mode trials.

I've never been so disappointed at how they have been utterly devastated with this patch.

I thought the shield nerf would be bad, but I am spending WAY more time resummoning pets than doing anything else. Sometimes they die just from random AoE, they don't even get to melee range of something, they just melt away. I am not talking about who knows what challenging content. Normal, outdoor NPCs are more than enough to perma-kill pets!

This, using Hardened Ward, that is, the "would be" pets oriented shield.

Terrible patch all around. Just horrible.

winterbornb14_ESO

I want a Class respect since they destroyed this build.

LadyLethalla

I thought they changed it so pets don't die in vet dungeons and trials now...?

LeHarrt91

LadyLethalla wrote: »

I thought they changed it so pets don't die in vet dungeons and trials now...?

Yes but in overland content and pvp they still die. im assuming thats what they meant by 'Outside NPCs'

Alaztor91

LadyLethalla wrote: »

I thought they changed it so pets don't die in vet dungeons and trials now...?

Apparently they broke something else(pet resistances maybe? or the damage reduction they already had?) and now they seem to be worse than before patch in content that doesn't makes them immune to damage.

skepticck

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

LadyLethalla wrote: »

I thought they changed it so pets don't die in vet dungeons and trials now...?

Yes but in overland content and pvp they still die. im assuming thats what they meant by 'Outside NPCs'

It's not that "they still die" as much as they die all the time now, never spent so much time respawning my pet,
dies so much that yea it's pretty much useless.

Great change ZOS why was this change needed exactly????

Vahrokh

LadyLethalla wrote: »

I thought they changed it so pets don't die in vet dungeons and trials now...?

I would trade today's "immortal" pets back to Summerset version right now.

I did just fine with previous pets in every hardest content in game, including hm trials and "+N" trials. I can't care the less the previous pets could (rarely) die in trials, they did excellent everywhere.

Now, they can't even survive regular outdoor questing NPCs if you don't constantly spam matron healing. This dirsrupts rotations. I am not even talking about shield, took me all of 5 minutes to stop using it.

karekiz

They just need to make them immune in Overland + Public + VMA - /shrug.

Obviously PvP they can't be though

Vahrokh

karekiz wrote: »

They just need to make them immune in Overland + Public + VMA - /shrug.

Obviously PvP they can't be though

I don't PvP so I have no idea about pets in there. But as of now at public dungeons, world bosses etc they are worse than early 2014 pets, that would die very easily... but not that easily!

Vahrokh

Just done a world boss (minotaur): I had to respawn both of them 8 times! They die when he walks near them, they die when adds randomly cast a weak AoE on the ground. They die both together, some times I don't even have enough time to spam matron heal!

And notice, unlike pre-Nerfmire, now pets don't even taunt so they just die because something randomly sneezes near them while it shoots at me.

LeHarrt91

Vahrokh wrote: »

Just done a world boss (minotaur): I had to respawn both of them 8 times! They die when he walks near them, they die when adds randomly cast a weak AoE on the ground. They die both together, some times I don't even have enough time to spam matron heal!

And notice, unlike pre-Nerfmire, now pets don't even taunt so they just die because something randomly sneezes near them while it shoots at me.

Yeah it seems that something has gone wrong, they should have a lot of health and resistance to stay alive. Maybe there resistance is bugged like someone said above.

ThumbtackJake

Oh man, pet-sorc is my main. Least I switched over to XB. Gives me a few more days with pre-Nerfmire Sorc.

Elsonso

The new fangled Murkmire Sorcerer pets are pretty fragile, that much is true.

phileunderx2

My scamp that was shielded died to a trashy dolmen lich. Lol

Vahrokh

lordrichter wrote: »

The new fangled Murkmire Sorcerer pets are pretty fragile, that much is true.

Yeah!

Pets in ESO can't even be micromanaged, so we can't even "adapt and overcome". They just die. Again and again, until you wonder why you should sacrifice 4 (four) ability slots to have something you cannot use any more.

generalmyrick

i love the chaos!!! ahahhhamwamwaawwhahahaahaha!!!

Elsonso

Vahrokh wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

The new fangled Murkmire Sorcerer pets are pretty fragile, that much is true.

Yeah!

Pets in ESO can't even be micromanaged, so we can't even "adapt and overcome". They just die. Again and again, until you wonder why you should sacrifice 4 (four) ability slots to have something you cannot use any more.

I agree. If they are going to roll out the tissue paper pets, then we need health status on the screen at all times. They need to be treated like they are party/group members, so that we can monitor their health.

starkerealm

winterbornb14_ESO wrote: »

I want a Class respect since they destroyed this build.

Respect your class, and your class will respect you. The petsorc still works. It's arguably better now for PvE, because of the changes to pet mechanics.

Vahrokh

starkerealm wrote: »

winterbornb14_ESO wrote: »

I want a Class respect since they destroyed this build.

Respect your class, and your class will respect you. The petsorc still works. It's arguably better now for PvE, because of the changes to pet mechanics.

Yeah, pets are so improved that they immediately go to their paradise!

peacenote

Total disclosure: haven't had time yet to test on my pet sorc.

However I was worried this would happen. Also what is not great about this is it means you'd potentially have two different builds for in dungeons and trials vs. everything else, because it seems like it would be a different play style whether your pet can die or not. We can't respec on the fly so having such a substantial difference in dungeons and trials is illogical.

ESPECIALLY since there are so many things that were nerfed in PvE for the sake of PvP. NOW all of sudden that kind of divided logic is OK??

Really hope it is some kind of mistake, and is fixed, and also made consistent.

starkerealm

Vahrokh wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

winterbornb14_ESO wrote: »

I want a Class respect since they destroyed this build.

Respect your class, and your class will respect you. The petsorc still works. It's arguably better now for PvE, because of the changes to pet mechanics.

Yeah, pets are so improved that they immediately go to their paradise!

I haven't seen a problem with pets today, and I have seen better survival from them. So, maybe it's that I haven't had all day to play, but they certainly seem to be less of a pain than they used to be.

Vahrokh

starkerealm wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

winterbornb14_ESO wrote: »

I want a Class respect since they destroyed this build.

Respect your class, and your class will respect you. The petsorc still works. It's arguably better now for PvE, because of the changes to pet mechanics.

Yeah, pets are so improved that they immediately go to their paradise!

I haven't seen a problem with pets today, and I have seen better survival from them. So, maybe it's that I haven't had all day to play, but they certainly seem to be less of a pain than they used to be.

Well, in trials and 4 men they have been made immortal (wrong way to go, a crutch, in my opinion) so of course you feel they are better.

I am talking everywhere else.

I don't even want to enter vMA to try, any random quest NPC can 3 shot them now.

maboleth

How on Earth do you guys get your pets dying so much?

I'm using empowered ward (40%) and my pets rarely die when soloing world bosses, let alone normal npc enemies that are quite easy to kill anyway. You were doing something wrong but past buffs were easy mode so they got your covered.

So, make sure to shield AND heal your pets, even if your HP is max. If one of your pets is getting hits from the boss, there's like 99% chance his shield will wear off and will take hp damage. Buff the HP with Matriarch and recast the shield. By doing this timely and right your pets will not die that easily if at all. Also make sure to spread CP points wisely and do not use Bastion anymore.

So far I tested BGs and overland content and so far so good. It's not easy mode anymore, but it's far from impossible and BGs are more or less the same.

And one more thing - frags got a buff and it shows. The frag speed seems slightly increased since PTS3 and it's not an issue in PVP. Also 20-24% reduction in snare and 15-18% reduction for speed for light armour also shows.

Waffennacht

O.o;

Uh oh...

Elsonso

starkerealm wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

winterbornb14_ESO wrote: »

I want a Class respect since they destroyed this build.

Respect your class, and your class will respect you. The petsorc still works. It's arguably better now for PvE, because of the changes to pet mechanics.

Yeah, pets are so improved that they immediately go to their paradise!

I haven't seen a problem with pets today, and I have seen better survival from them. So, maybe it's that I haven't had all day to play, but they certainly seem to be less of a pain than they used to be.

I have been having problems with sorcerer pets today while getting Plunder Skulls. My main issue is that I don't know that they are having a health crisis because I don't know their heath status. If there is something on the screen to tell me this, when they are behind me, I am not noticing it while in combat.

starkerealm

lordrichter wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

winterbornb14_ESO wrote: »

I want a Class respect since they destroyed this build.

Respect your class, and your class will respect you. The petsorc still works. It's arguably better now for PvE, because of the changes to pet mechanics.

Yeah, pets are so improved that they immediately go to their paradise!

I haven't seen a problem with pets today, and I have seen better survival from them. So, maybe it's that I haven't had all day to play, but they certainly seem to be less of a pain than they used to be.

I have been having problems with sorcerer pets today while getting Plunder Skulls. My main issue is that I don't know that they are having a health crisis because I don't know their heath status. If there is something on the screen to tell me this, when they are behind me, I am not noticing it while in combat.

Yeah, only way I know to do that is to put a floating health bar on them. You can do this from settings. I had Runa wax my clanfear. But otherwise, I haven't seen a dead pet all day. But, like I said, I went in Maelstrom and that's it.

Elsonso

starkerealm wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

winterbornb14_ESO wrote: »

I want a Class respect since they destroyed this build.

Respect your class, and your class will respect you. The petsorc still works. It's arguably better now for PvE, because of the changes to pet mechanics.

Yeah, pets are so improved that they immediately go to their paradise!

I haven't seen a problem with pets today, and I have seen better survival from them. So, maybe it's that I haven't had all day to play, but they certainly seem to be less of a pain than they used to be.

I have been having problems with sorcerer pets today while getting Plunder Skulls. My main issue is that I don't know that they are having a health crisis because I don't know their heath status. If there is something on the screen to tell me this, when they are behind me, I am not noticing it while in combat.

Yeah, only way I know to do that is to put a floating health bar on them. You can do this from settings. I had Runa wax my clanfear. But otherwise, I haven't seen a dead pet all day. But, like I said, I went in Maelstrom and that's it.

The problem with the health bar is that they are occasionally off screen, either to the side or behind me. If I am in the middle of a busy dark anchor, there is so much visual clutter that I wouldn't be able to see the bars, anyway.

Also, the Friendly NPC setting that turns on the Pet health bar turns it on for every friendly NPC, and most of them cannot be attacked, so the health bar is pointless.

ccfeeling

Excuse me , which content you guys talking about ? PVP or PVE ?

I mainly PVE and running 2 pets build , nerfed or not please ?

starkerealm

ccfeeling wrote: »

Excuse me , which content you guys talking about ? PVP or PVE ?

I mainly PVE and running 2 pets build , nerfed or not please ?

There were changes to the way Pets draw aggro and take damage in group PvE content. So, basically a buff, though it's not 100%. There's still some glitches.

Alaztor91

I took my scamp to Graveld in Summerset and he just got melted lol, I eventually stopped resummoning him after he died like 7 times.

SanguineMyBrother

This is disheartening