Oceanic Lag now 300-400 ms even with a vpn - was 250-300??

Bhaal5

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Do any Aussie players play on the PS4 EU server? Do you use a vpn? Does it help? I made the mistake of selecting EU when I first started, assuming it meant British English and not American. Now I’m in too deep financially and time spent to change. Cant even do dungeons anymore due to the lag and rubber banding

Unfortunately nope, nothing really helps. Even though EU and NA are similar distance to AUS, NA has the better resources so in most mmos NA will always run smoother than EU.

But your lag issue and rubber banding will also happen on NA

Shady_Knights

Heromofo wrote: »

GlorphNoldorin wrote: »

CH77 wrote: »

CH77 wrote: »

Out of interest, are any of you in Australia on the PTS?
If so, what is the latency on there? Is it the same?

I can't download the PTS cos it won't let me choose to install it on a different drive!
(Not enough space on the drive ESO is on)

Sorry to bring this up again (not sorry for bumping back to first page haha) but any Aussie's on the PTS?
How's the ping there?

I have almost completed the new trial on pts. Latency is no better. The trial runs like any other trial for me, very low frames and more laggy than other instances.

I use exit lag and on live can get under 300 ping (but not in pvp). Even though the ping appears ok, there is still alot of lag as has been stated over and over.

I dont see or expect any improvement of PTS over live.

edit:
Will say though that exit lag has been the most stable vpn I have used and I have tried most of them.

Feels odd to rely on the need of a VPN for us to have any have decent connection something i don't intend to do or afford lol. I am guessing the reason for a VPN been necessary is the Akamai redirecting nonsense?.

I bit the bullet and tried out Mudfish too. Don't like having to pay for a VPN either, but thought I'd at least see how much greener the grass is on the other side. I'm on N/A server.

Here's what I noted:

1. Immediately in game latency dropped from around 300 average to 250-270. I'm now playing with a white latency indicator rather than constantly red.

2. Lag spikes have been smoothed out. I get some lag spikes on initial load up of area, very rare infrequent 999+ for instant that clears pretty fast. No real issue with this.

3. Crowded areas, that would normally be a no go zone due to 999+ freeze which resulted in a kick are now accessible. EG. Rawl'kha in US prime time, ran through that with 270-290ms no rubber banding, no lag spiking.

4. PVP - some lag there. Got ganked without even firing a skill a few times, skill delay was huge. Just not a great place with any latency at all. Will re-test after festival, and once server upgrades get done.

5. I had around 5 hours play time without being kicked which compared to before, I could guaranteed being kicked doing my crafting writs in any town due to lag spiking.

6. General game play seems fine. A big reduction in combat lag, skill lag etc. Not totally removed, but much better, and much more playable.


So yes, agree, the optimal networking path that Mudfish provided smooths over the latency issues and brings the game back.

Interestingly I noted that both Mudfish and non-mudfish connectivity use Akamai IP address's that are geographically located in the USA. I could not see any evidence that Akamai was bouncing traffic through to Europe any longer.

Still, there's a vast difference in connectivity between Mudfish routing and my default routing. My ISP is MyRepublic. My connectivity woes happened on or near the January 28th right after an ESO maintenance window.

Bhaal5

Isnt using a 3rd party vpn just giving zos the green light to continue to treat oceanic terrible with poor service?
Another reason why they dont fix anything due to us 2nd class citizens having to use a 3rd party service and paying more for an already expensive mmo.

Shady_Knights

Bhaal5 wrote: »

Isnt using a 3rd party vpn just giving zos the green light to continue to treat oceanic terrible with poor service?
Another reason why they dont fix anything due to us 2nd class citizens having to use a 3rd party service and paying more for an already expensive mmo.

Just wanted to test out to remove any doubt it was to do with anything other than the sub-optimal routing. Seeing is believing.

You are of course 100% correct.

Now armed with this, I'd say that any client connection that gives greater than 300ms average is a non-supportable connection from ESO. Marketing/selling this game in an entire region where this type of latency is now common is selling a unsupportable game that has no real hope of playing properly.

"Should" it have that much latency? Of course not, it never used to.

Of course the constant silence on this from Zenimax is surprising. I guess if they admit that there's been an issue, and they've sat on their hands for so long about it, they'll get claims of compensation. Still, the longer they leave it the more people un-sub. Really pointless to ignore.

TheRealPotoroo

Bhaal5 wrote: »

Isnt using a 3rd party vpn just giving zos the green light to continue to treat oceanic terrible with poor service?
Another reason why they dont fix anything due to us 2nd class citizens having to use a 3rd party service and paying more for an already expensive mmo.

Yes, but what's the option? Sticking with borderline unplayable lag to make a point that ZOS won't even know you're making?

Banana

Got dropped 3 times in 10 minutes this morning. Mudfish does help my ping. 380+ without 280+ with. But lag and disconnects are normal for me.

Bhaal5

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

Bhaal5 wrote: »

Isnt using a 3rd party vpn just giving zos the green light to continue to treat oceanic terrible with poor service?
Another reason why they dont fix anything due to us 2nd class citizens having to use a 3rd party service and paying more for an already expensive mmo.

Yes, but what's the option? Sticking with borderline unplayable lag to make a point that ZOS won't even know you're making?

Go to games and spend moneys else where, where the developers include oceanics in the business models.
Ive went back to gw2 where its pretty much the same game with double the amount of content for a third of the price.
No maintenance at all (its all done while servers are live)
Completions include australia and new zealand.
And best of all my ping sits between 180-200ms, no random dc, no rubber banding.

Saepio

NBN/Mudfish give me a ping of 220-240 for overland/trial content. Outside of events, with most non essential add on's disabled (mini map, mm etc) I can go into Vivec and sit around 250-280, sometimes lower, with no regular dc's.

I live in regional NSW, my local exchange is a demountable in the middle of a paddock.

FTTN/NBN50 Thru Telstra.

Without Mudfish I find the game unplayable.

It shouldn't be like this, but as Oceanic players we are definitely second class citizens.

Othniel327

Getting dropped every 1-3 minutes in Cyrodiil.

LordGavus

Just finished vma with ping boucing between 370-500. Makes it harder than it needs to be, especially as i just got another damn 2 hander.

Bhaal5

Its amazing that they have no time to respond here. Yet there are still aussies blindly opening their wallets to zos

Plus maybe a hint for zos, they wouldnt have to close down some many 'duplicate' threads, if they actually fix their servers.

Unlubed

So I've just started the game a couple days ago, having lots of fun either way. Using Mudfish Tunneling I'm getting a flat constant (213ms). I do feel the frustrations when trying to weapon swap, double rolling- probably my bad play more than anything else. Weaving and animation cancelling is tough, but I think I would manage it one day.

This game is amazing, I'm having a ball. Saying that, always in the back of my mind I imagine what it would be like to be rolling with a latency under 100ms. We can all dream right? It really does dawn on you sometimes, I'd imagine I would find it more infuriating the further I get into the game as the fights become tougher. I tried a few matches of battlegrounds.. but damn, that *** was just a no go.

All in all, loving the game so far. Hoping one day Oceanic players get their proper fix.

Info:
Location: Brisbane, Qld.
Internet Provider: Telstra NBN FTTN- Fibre to the node, which is about 600metres up the road.
Mudfish Tunneling Service with automatic tunnel, didn't mess with any nodes.
200-220ms all around mostly sitting at 213ms.

I feel for you guys playing with 300-500. That would be enough for me to stop playing.

I'd love to actually see the numbers of players playing ESO in every respective country. I feel like everyone says there isn't enough Aussie players to warrant a local server, but imo thats bull ***. If game doesn't come out with Oceanic servers, a lot of oceanic players will turn a blind eye and not even give the game a chance. Thats already one easy way to lose a huge market. That's just my opinion though, but I believe it to be somewhat correct. I know I've turned down many mmorpgs in the past due to lack of servers for us Aussies and the rest. Only now did I decide to give ESO a go.

Good luck to us!

Heady

woooooooooooo 23 pages do i hear 24

bmnoble

Complain to me when you get 800 ms - 999+ ms

I play with a Satellite internet connection, in rural South Australia

Aside from being killed in PVP in Cyrodill before I can activate my defensive abilities from time to time, don't really have any problems playing the game in PVE.

Then again I play a tank mainly so if I have a bit of input lag I can generally survive most things.

rossk25

I play on the PS4 Eu server and doing dungeons is hard due to the lag.

What is this mudfish tunneling people have been talking about?

Androconium

bmnoble wrote: »

Complain to me when you get 800 ms - 999+ ms

I play with a Satellite internet connection, in rural South Australia

Aside from being killed in PVP in Cyrodill before I can activate my defensive abilities from time to time, don't really have any problems playing the game in PVE.

Then again I play a tank mainly so if I have a bit of input lag I can generally survive most things.

800ms? On Satellite? man, you're doing well...

Androconium

rossk25 wrote: »

I play on the PS4 Eu server and doing dungeons is hard due to the lag.

What is this mudfish tunneling people have been talking about?

its a VPN that you pay for. Think Toll roads.

Androconium

Bhaal5 wrote: »

Isnt using a 3rd party vpn just giving zos the green light to continue to treat oceanic terrible with poor service?
Another reason why they dont fix anything due to us 2nd class citizens having to use a 3rd party service and paying more for an already expensive mmo.

You'd think that they'd deploy their own, in-house VPN free-of-charge, wouldn't you?

VvardeFellow

Androconium wrote: »

rossk25 wrote: »

I play on the PS4 Eu server and doing dungeons is hard due to the lag.

What is this mudfish tunneling people have been talking about?

its a VPN that you pay for. Think Toll roads.

Except it costs fractions of cents per day, if not weeks. Even though it only changed my 280 to 260, It's cheap.(PH)

StackonClown

OP here again - one of the things that I really tried hard to push a few years back was more RP features like sitting and eating properly, sleeping etc - I know I know - its not Elder Sims - but at least with crappy ping we could do some RP ?

But alas it was ignored and again the attention went back to the purple stripe on the yellow costume in the crown store and in case there was a clipping issue or whatever about 20 Zenny employees would reply within 10 minutes with 'where? where? - tell us and we will fix it immediately' sigh

Bhaal5

VvardeFellow wrote: »

Androconium wrote: »

rossk25 wrote: »

I play on the PS4 Eu server and doing dungeons is hard due to the lag.

What is this mudfish tunneling people have been talking about?

its a VPN that you pay for. Think Toll roads.

Except it costs fractions of cents per day, if not weeks. Even though it only changed my 280 to 260, It's cheap.(PH)

But pay for something that only give mediocre results? Wouldnt waste the money, even if its only a few cents per day.

MattT1988

Back to the top we go. Issues still not addressed.

jcm2606

Bhaal5 wrote: »

Isnt using a 3rd party vpn just giving zos the green light to continue to treat oceanic terrible with poor service?
Another reason why they dont fix anything due to us 2nd class citizens having to use a 3rd party service and paying more for an already expensive mmo.

Eh, not really, so long as you aren't giving any money to ZOS themselves. I'm giving my money to Mudfish because they're doing their part to make this *** experience that much less ***, but ZOS aren't getting a cent because they're the source of this *** experience by not doing ***.

***.

Banana

A bought a big crown pack ZOS. How about some action now.

Bhaal5

jcm2606 wrote: »

Bhaal5 wrote: »

Isnt using a 3rd party vpn just giving zos the green light to continue to treat oceanic terrible with poor service?
Another reason why they dont fix anything due to us 2nd class citizens having to use a 3rd party service and paying more for an already expensive mmo.

Eh, not really, so long as you aren't giving any money to ZOS themselves. I'm giving my money to Mudfish because they're doing their part to make this *** experience that much less ***, but ZOS aren't getting a cent because they're the source of this *** experience by not doing ***.

***.

If you cant get to atleast 200, not worth the effort. I can 180ms in a more populated gw2 thats the server are a similar distance. So im not paying for another service to make a bad service look mediocre

ynimma

No matter how I try to recognize any development in the EU capacity, it appears to be smoke and mirrors for me.
Login queue has gone I give you that (mostly, as I also have run into the 30 secs initiation a couple of times since).
- no better ping, actually it settled slightly higher with usual extremes
- lagspikes are still there, sometimes 4-5 secs long freezing and then exploding into crazy animations
- guildstore is still laggy
- even the chat can be very laggy

So I have no idea what ZOS calls "solution to a serious problem", I have to assume there is no extra hardware at all in the ranks, maybe they swapped a part of the already underperforming lot after it had issues but there's really NOTHING suggesting any improvement in server service. They can twist their words however they want but seeing the same mess (minus long login queues) I have to remain unsubbed and Elseweyrless for the time being.
And that time - knowing ZOS's practices - may be very long.
Shame.

Bhaal5

Bumping to the top where this belongs.

Heady

damn you excited me for a second there

Iphin

Yeah pretty disappointing that not a single ZOS rep can comment.

StackonClown

Sadly it almost seems that there is an advantage in the current Zenny game model to have a proportion of players that have crappy ping so that they will in the main be on the losing end of PVP fights - this allows some NA based players to find cannon fodder and keeps the needed imbalance so some players outshine others... Sad way to get players to feel that they are 'elite'