Defile Stam Sorc is officially dead now !

IlCanis_LupuslI

and meditation can be interrupted and i tend to be very mobile on my stamsorc

Thraben

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

and meditation can be interrupted and i tend to be very mobile on my stamsorc

Use it after a dodge roll or a streak. If he gap closes, he´ll get stunned by the Defensive Rune.

That being said, StamSorcs are indeed more a nuissance in OpenPvP than a threat. But this is true for most stamina classes outside of the StamBlade/ StamWarden realm. No longer being able to equip a third Ulti (typically Werewolf) took away a lot of build flexibility, and Silver Leash does not work too well outside of Battlegrounds.

WeylandLabs

I don't expect for some off you to understand why this is bad. "EASYMODE" As you call it was there for a purpose, let me explain. First of all back in 2016 there was this meta called the Black Rose meta.

Everyone was deciding to block cast fight or just run around with troll builds. Pretty much everyone was unkillable, until I spoke with a PC player that actually did something about it. And ran an old fassalas bleed build the first in pvp if I'm not mistaken. Well that didn't really catch on until fassalas was nerfed, then and everyone was happy. But I noticed people wanting to hold block and fight still, with that PC players blessing I decided to create a version of his build.

And I did - My version "PMS build" cuase you cried all the time and still do. So when people say im salty about my defile nerf. Know this - this is the only build in the game that has been nerfed the most in the past 3 years. All becuase you never learned to counter it, so when people say easy mode. I think of your ability to thoerycraft against the meta and how some people are actually just on safe mode.


But it is just a game so if I can't find a way to kill unlikable builds I guess I will hinder our ability to move. Thus CC builds are next... don't complain about that now remember you can heal you are in safe mode.

Biro123

Waffennacht wrote: »

I'll take a Stam sorc over any other class in BGs right now

Second would be stamden

Then Stam NB

But Stam sorc is strong, so strong.

I'm waiting for more people to use silver leash though

I made a Stam biased hybrid sorc.. Clever alch, shackle, argonian with 3 pot cooldown jewels..

So many ways to play, but with mines, trap and caltrops on overload bar, popping curse, poison injection, wrath and then leash takes a while to set up, but feels deliciously dirty!

Taylor_MB

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

I don't expect for some off you to understand why this is bad. "EASYMODE" As you call it was there for a purpose, let me explain. First of all back in 2016 there was this meta called the Black Rose meta.

Everyone was deciding to block cast fight or just run around with troll builds. Pretty much everyone was unkillable, until I spoke with a PC player that actually did something about it. And ran an old fassalas bleed build the first in pvp if I'm not mistaken. Well that didn't really catch on until fassalas was nerfed, then and everyone was happy. But I noticed people wanting to hold block and fight still, with that PC players blessing I decided to create a version of his build.

And I did - My version "PMS build" cuase you cried all the time and still do. So when people say im salty about my defile nerf. Know this - this is the only build in the game that has been nerfed the most in the past 3 years. All becuase you never learned to counter it, so when people say easy mode. I think of your ability to thoerycraft against the meta and how some people are actually just on safe mode.


But it is just a game so if I can't find a way to kill unlikable builds I guess I will hinder our ability to move. Thus CC builds are next... don't complain about that now remember you can heal you are in safe mode.

delusions of grandeur
a false impression of one's own importance.

Kadoin

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

I don't expect for some off you to understand why this is bad. "EASYMODE" As you call it was there for a purpose, let me explain. First of all back in 2016 there was this meta called the Black Rose meta.

Everyone was deciding to block cast fight or just run around with troll builds. Pretty much everyone was unkillable, until I spoke with a PC player that actually did something about it. And ran an old fassalas bleed build the first in pvp if I'm not mistaken. Well that didn't really catch on until fassalas was nerfed, then and everyone was happy. But I noticed people wanting to hold block and fight still, with that PC players blessing I decided to create a version of his build.

And I did - My version "PMS build" cuase you cried all the time and still do. So when people say im salty about my defile nerf. Know this - this is the only build in the game that has been nerfed the most in the past 3 years. All becuase you never learned to counter it, so when people say easy mode. I think of your ability to thoerycraft against the meta and how some people are actually just on safe mode.


But it is just a game so if I can't find a way to kill unlikable builds I guess I will hinder our ability to move. Thus CC builds are next... don't complain about that now remember you can heal you are in safe mode.

If by "CC builds" you mean builds using a certain race and using bombard from stealth + rune cage to permastun and kill someone that can't break free and has to die because ZOS changed the games code and removed disorient but it still disorients players (not supposed to), I'll be glad if ZOS gets that garbage out of here because its a bug and abusing it is for losers. I'm glad they are finally addressing CC and immunity and hope it erases builds that exploit a buggy system for good.

Lexxypwns

@Taylor_MB I can only give you an agree OR and awesome which would you prefer?

Jjitsuboy98

Kadoin wrote: »

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

I don't expect for some off you to understand why this is bad. "EASYMODE" As you call it was there for a purpose, let me explain. First of all back in 2016 there was this meta called the Black Rose meta.

Everyone was deciding to block cast fight or just run around with troll builds. Pretty much everyone was unkillable, until I spoke with a PC player that actually did something about it. And ran an old fassalas bleed build the first in pvp if I'm not mistaken. Well that didn't really catch on until fassalas was nerfed, then and everyone was happy. But I noticed people wanting to hold block and fight still, with that PC players blessing I decided to create a version of his build.

And I did - My version "PMS build" cuase you cried all the time and still do. So when people say im salty about my defile nerf. Know this - this is the only build in the game that has been nerfed the most in the past 3 years. All becuase you never learned to counter it, so when people say easy mode. I think of your ability to thoerycraft against the meta and how some people are actually just on safe mode.


But it is just a game so if I can't find a way to kill unlikable builds I guess I will hinder our ability to move. Thus CC builds are next... don't complain about that now remember you can heal you are in safe mode.

If by "CC builds" you mean builds using a certain race and using bombard from stealth + rune cage to permastun and kill someone that can't break free and has to die because ZOS changed the games code and removed disorient but it still disorients players (not supposed to), I'll be glad if ZOS gets that garbage out of here because its a bug and abusing it is for losers. I'm glad they are finally addressing CC and immunity and hope it erases builds that exploit a buggy system for good.

All zos is doing is supporting Zerg play in cyrodil.......and nightblades

zParallaxz

Lol stam sorc is the second best spin in this current spin to win meta for pvp. Zos ducked this game once again when it doesn’t let you interrupt someone when they have cc immunity. I’m sleep lol

Crixus8000

zParallaxz wrote: »

Lol stam sorc is the second best spin in this current spin to win meta for pvp. Zos ducked this game once again when it doesn’t let you interrupt someone when they have cc immunity. I’m sleep lol

Depends on the immunity, I get interrupted all the time when casting dark deal in cc immunty, and it often gets me killed.

IZZEFlameLash

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

I don't expect for some off you to understand why this is bad. "EASYMODE" As you call it was there for a purpose, let me explain. First of all back in 2016 there was this meta called the Black Rose meta.

Everyone was deciding to block cast fight or just run around with troll builds. Pretty much everyone was unkillable, until I spoke with a PC player that actually did something about it. And ran an old fassalas bleed build the first in pvp if I'm not mistaken. Well that didn't really catch on until fassalas was nerfed, then and everyone was happy. But I noticed people wanting to hold block and fight still, with that PC players blessing I decided to create a version of his build.

And I did - My version "PMS build" cuase you cried all the time and still do. So when people say im salty about my defile nerf. Know this - this is the only build in the game that has been nerfed the most in the past 3 years. All becuase you never learned to counter it, so when people say easy mode. I think of your ability to thoerycraft against the meta and how some people are actually just on safe mode.


But it is just a game so if I can't find a way to kill unlikable builds I guess I will hinder our ability to move. Thus CC builds are next... don't complain about that now remember you can heal you are in safe mode.

Sure buddy. I can also claim that I was the real first person to use Fassalla + DoT on PC NA because no one was using it when I did. But I don't do that because I also realize that many competent theorycrafters were also aware of it but just were weighing benefits and try to make things much more efficient than I do when I run these builds. Since you seem to know things others don't, according to yourself, I am still surprised that you still do not see the usage of Major Defile has its place when you are as smart and innovative as you claim to be.

Taylor_MB wrote: »

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

I don't expect for some off you to understand why this is bad. "EASYMODE" As you call it was there for a purpose, let me explain. First of all back in 2016 there was this meta called the Black Rose meta.

Everyone was deciding to block cast fight or just run around with troll builds. Pretty much everyone was unkillable, until I spoke with a PC player that actually did something about it. And ran an old fassalas bleed build the first in pvp if I'm not mistaken. Well that didn't really catch on until fassalas was nerfed, then and everyone was happy. But I noticed people wanting to hold block and fight still, with that PC players blessing I decided to create a version of his build.

And I did - My version "PMS build" cuase you cried all the time and still do. So when people say im salty about my defile nerf. Know this - this is the only build in the game that has been nerfed the most in the past 3 years. All becuase you never learned to counter it, so when people say easy mode. I think of your ability to thoerycraft against the meta and how some people are actually just on safe mode.


But it is just a game so if I can't find a way to kill unlikable builds I guess I will hinder our ability to move. Thus CC builds are next... don't complain about that now remember you can heal you are in safe mode.

delusions of grandeur
a false impression of one's own importance.

Have an "awesome", we really needed this. It is a shame that I can only click once.

WeylandLabs

@IZZEFlameLash Ohhh boy ! Ladies and gents we have a winner ! Looks like somebody wants recognition for a build. Now im not a scientist, but by the looks of your name seems like you play ? A mag sorc --- no wait maybe a Warden nope nope nope i got it a gawd damn mag dk " throws down my coffee."

Since holding block is apart of your playstyle, i dont expect you to understand. Your character is built for locking and popping.

But here is the biggie, if you read what i said, i didnt write fassalas dot build, i wrote fassalas bleed build. And may i ask if they were aware of your fassalas build back in 2016, why didnt it become meta. Also im confused when you say they were trying to be more efficient. Whats more efficient than killing 1 - 2 - 3 people ?

I never claimed that i dont know more than other people, but i do know my class better than 95% of other people. I know this because i dont make other toons i stick with one class. I can see how it is most difficult to play 8 - 10 classes and not knowing the smallest changes that ZOS doesnt put in its patch notes.

Those small changes ? Players like myself notice. Those small changes is the difference between winning and losing.

Ohh and the pc player his old @ name was @PrinceFabious you know him as ________. His newer @ name doesn't matter cause he quit ESO.

On some real shhh - Look i understand this game will never be balanced i get that. But what some of you need to understand is this is only a game, not an esport not skilled, you dont make money there is no real money unless your a streamer. This is simply a troll X-Y-B playing fighting style. Have fun kill your enemies if you have any seems like eso is becoming more social networking than a game now.

Point is goodluck @IZZEFlameLash buddy your going to need it.

IZZEFlameLash

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

@IZZEFlameLash Ohhh boy ! Ladies and gents we have a winner ! Looks like somebody wants recognition for a build. Now im not a scientist, but by the looks of your name seems like you play ? A mag sorc --- no wait maybe a Warden nope nope nope i got it a gawd damn mag dk " throws down my coffee."

Since holding block is apart of your playstyle, i dont expect you to understand. Your character is built for locking and popping.

But here is the biggie, if you read what i said, i didnt write fassalas dot build, i wrote fassalas bleed build. And may i ask if they were aware of your fassalas build back in 2016, why didnt it become meta. Also im confused when you say they were trying to be more efficient. Whats more efficient than killing 1 - 2 - 3 people ?

I never claimed that i dont know more than other people, but i do know my class better than 95% of other people. I know this because i dont make other toons i stick with one class. I can see how it is most difficult to play 8 - 10 classes and not knowing the smallest changes that ZOS doesnt put in its patch notes.

Those small changes ? Players like myself notice. Those small changes is the difference between winning and losing.

Ohh and the pc player his old @ name was @PrinceFabious you know him as ________. His newer @ name doesn't matter cause he quit ESO.

On some real shhh - Look i understand this game will never be balanced i get that. But what some of you need to understand is this is only a game, not an esport not skilled, you dont make money there is no real money unless your a streamer. This is simply a troll X-Y-B playing fighting style. Have fun kill your enemies if you have any seems like eso is becoming more social networking than a game now.

Point is goodluck @IZZEFlameLash buddy your going to need it.

Your insistence on "you won't understand" attitude makes me think you claimed to know better than others already few times. Along with "I know better than 95%". Pretty sure that was the general consensus here by competent players. And I think callouts like this might be a breach of forum rules? I am not sure. Btw, you are the one being pompous and fuming here about something game, not me. So, chill. It's just a game.

Waffennacht

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

@IZZEFlameLash Ohhh boy ! Ladies and gents we have a winner ! Looks like somebody wants recognition for a build. Now im not a scientist, but by the looks of your name seems like you play ? A mag sorc --- no wait maybe a Warden nope nope nope i got it a gawd damn mag dk " throws down my coffee."

Since holding block is apart of your playstyle, i dont expect you to understand. Your character is built for locking and popping.

But here is the biggie, if you read what i said, i didnt write fassalas dot build, i wrote fassalas bleed build. And may i ask if they were aware of your fassalas build back in 2016, why didnt it become meta. Also im confused when you say they were trying to be more efficient. Whats more efficient than killing 1 - 2 - 3 people ?

I never claimed that i dont know more than other people, but i do know my class better than 95% of other people. I know this because i dont make other toons i stick with one class. I can see how it is most difficult to play 8 - 10 classes and not knowing the smallest changes that ZOS doesnt put in its patch notes.

Those small changes ? Players like myself notice. Those small changes is the difference between winning and losing.

Ohh and the pc player his old @ name was @PrinceFabious you know him as ________. His newer @ name doesn't matter cause he quit ESO.

On some real shhh - Look i understand this game will never be balanced i get that. But what some of you need to understand is this is only a game, not an esport not skilled, you dont make money there is no real money unless your a streamer. This is simply a troll X-Y-B playing fighting style. Have fun kill your enemies if you have any seems like eso is becoming more social networking than a game now.

Point is goodluck @IZZEFlameLash buddy your going to need it.

Your insistence on "you won't understand" attitude makes me think you claimed to know better than others already few times. Along with "I know better than 95%". Pretty sure that was the general consensus here by competent players. And I think callouts like this might be a breach of forum rules? I am not sure. Btw, you are the one being pompous and fuming here about something game, not me. So, chill. It's just a game.

Whatever, the coffee cup is the real loser here

WeylandLabs

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

@IZZEFlameLash Ohhh boy ! Ladies and gents we have a winner ! Looks like somebody wants recognition for a build. Now im not a scientist, but by the looks of your name seems like you play ? A mag sorc --- no wait maybe a Warden nope nope nope i got it a gawd damn mag dk " throws down my coffee."

Since holding block is apart of your playstyle, i dont expect you to understand. Your character is built for locking and popping.

But here is the biggie, if you read what i said, i didnt write fassalas dot build, i wrote fassalas bleed build. And may i ask if they were aware of your fassalas build back in 2016, why didnt it become meta. Also im confused when you say they were trying to be more efficient. Whats more efficient than killing 1 - 2 - 3 people ?

I never claimed that i dont know more than other people, but i do know my class better than 95% of other people. I know this because i dont make other toons i stick with one class. I can see how it is most difficult to play 8 - 10 classes and not knowing the smallest changes that ZOS doesnt put in its patch notes.

Those small changes ? Players like myself notice. Those small changes is the difference between winning and losing.

Ohh and the pc player his old @ name was @PrinceFabious you know him as ________. His newer @ name doesn't matter cause he quit ESO.

On some real shhh - Look i understand this game will never be balanced i get that. But what some of you need to understand is this is only a game, not an esport not skilled, you dont make money there is no real money unless your a streamer. This is simply a troll X-Y-B playing fighting style. Have fun kill your enemies if you have any seems like eso is becoming more social networking than a game now.

Point is goodluck @IZZEFlameLash buddy your going to need it.

Your insistence on "you won't understand" attitude makes me think you claimed to know better than others already few times. Along with "I know better than 95%". Pretty sure that was the general consensus here by competent players. And I think callouts like this might be a breach of forum rules? I am not sure. Btw, you are the one being pompous and fuming here about something game, not me. So, chill. It's just a game.

This will be the last time I point out somethings. I never said I claimed to know better than others on other classes just mine. Since I feel you feel like I insulted your intelligence I do apologize, if you think I am actually trying to.

Stop trying to make me sound like a maniac. And let's here some constructive feedback from you instead of negativity.

Since you feel Major defile has its place where is that. Can you give me or us any validity of this ?

evoniee

1h+s bash is still strong as before, we just need to reapplying it more often.
a stun + major defile + medium damage spamable