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Defile Stam Sorc is officially dead now !
WeylandLabs
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After the the changes to defile sets and reverb im throwing in the towel. I have tried every setup possible to defile in duels and group play.
I thought the befoul passive was broken until I saw that ZOS commented on a post saying it was a UI error and it's still getting the value of CP.
It's a shame that Stam Sorcs and Stam DKs still 3-4 years later have no identity as to class abilitys. Taking away one of our most potent things to acompany the people that like to gutiar hero fight is really sad.
So resource fighting finaly wins, I only been nerfed 8 times since 2016. Lol
Enjoy your guitar hero fighting, if I can't defile you il just run you outta resources.
I thought the befoul passive was broken until I saw that ZOS commented on a post saying it was a UI error and it's still getting the value of CP.
It's a shame that Stam Sorcs and Stam DKs still 3-4 years later have no identity as to class abilitys. Taking away one of our most potent things to acompany the people that like to gutiar hero fight is really sad.
So resource fighting finaly wins, I only been nerfed 8 times since 2016. Lol
Enjoy your guitar hero fighting, if I can't defile you il just run you outta resources.
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IZZEFlameLash✭✭✭✭✭
✭What? Defiles are still strong. Just not complete 100% uptime, but still strong and useful.Imperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel3 -
Checkmath✭✭✭✭✭
✭maybe....if they nerf stamsorcs damage....but make its damage of disease type...so they have a permanent chance of defiling....so they would be the defile class....but...no, I do not think this will be a good idea.1 -
Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.4 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
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And if you don't?
Being shoehorned into a masters weapon ... from where do I know this?Edited by Chilly-McFreeze on September 11, 2018 8:28AM3 -
Checkmath✭✭✭✭✭
✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »
And if you don't?
Being shoehorned into a masters weapon ... from where do I know this?
Stamplar?1 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »
And if you don't?
Being shoehorned into a masters weapon ... from where do I know this?
Stamplar?
Magsorc?
thats why there is written *nerf damage* first.
If class X with master weapon Y works too well but is nothing special without, your solution is to nerf the allround damage to force them even more in a specific setup?1 -
Checkmath✭✭✭✭✭
✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »
And if you don't?
Being shoehorned into a masters weapon ... from where do I know this?
Stamplar?
Magsorc?
thats why there is written *nerf damage* first.
If class X with master weapon Y works too well but is nothing special without, your solution is to nerf the allround damage to force them even more in a specific setup?
Did you not read?
OP was talking about stamsorcs and defile, so I suggested to make stamsorc a defile class with a basic chance to apply defile on damage. Since this would be OP like this, the damage would need a nerf (PvP perspective only). This would result in a class with a lots of unique playstyled and unique group utility. Anyway I added at the end, that this probably would not be a fancy idea.
I did not talk at all about nerfing a class, because it performs well with one arena weapon. Feanor was talking about it being strong with master dual wield, I did not talk about that, I was referring to my previous post about adding defile to the stamsorc toolkit.1 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »
And if you don't?
Being shoehorned into a masters weapon ... from where do I know this?
Stamplar?
Magsorc?
thats why there is written *nerf damage* first.
If class X with master weapon Y works too well but is nothing special without, your solution is to nerf the allround damage to force them even more in a specific setup?
Did you not read?
OP was talking about stamsorcs and defile, so I suggested to make stamsorc a defile class with a basic chance to apply defile on damage. Since this would be OP like this, the damage would need a nerf (PvP perspective only). This would result in a class with a lots of unique playstyled and unique group utility. Anyway I added at the end, that this probably would not be a fancy idea.
I did not talk at all about nerfing a class, because it performs well with one arena weapon. Feanor was talking about it being strong with master dual wield, I did not talk about that, I was referring to my previous post about adding defile to the stamsorc toolkit.
And I think it's even worse to gut (PvP) damage for a debuff that is easily applied by a large amount of other means.3 -
Checkmath✭✭✭✭✭
✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »
And if you don't?
Being shoehorned into a masters weapon ... from where do I know this?
Stamplar?
Magsorc?
thats why there is written *nerf damage* first.
If class X with master weapon Y works too well but is nothing special without, your solution is to nerf the allround damage to force them even more in a specific setup?
Did you not read?
OP was talking about stamsorcs and defile, so I suggested to make stamsorc a defile class with a basic chance to apply defile on damage. Since this would be OP like this, the damage would need a nerf (PvP perspective only). This would result in a class with a lots of unique playstyled and unique group utility. Anyway I added at the end, that this probably would not be a fancy idea.
I did not talk at all about nerfing a class, because it performs well with one arena weapon. Feanor was talking about it being strong with master dual wield, I did not talk about that, I was referring to my previous post about adding defile to the stamsorc toolkit.
And I think it's even worse to gut (PvP) damage for a debuff that is easily applied by a large amount of other means.
and you again did not read my first post, right? I suggested a passive, which gives a chance to apply defile on all damage, so being able to maybe constantly defile somebody (I said, it is only a fun and bad idea anway). You surely would agree, that this would be OP. Basically a stamsorc still could run bleeds and all cancer, without having to rely on reverbrating bash or lethal arrow (which both would need to be casted all 4 seconds for permanent uptime).
It was a suggestion to give stamsorc some meaning, a speciality unique and a logical step to implement this idea would be nerfing their damage, because they should not have damage and defile both at the same time.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭and you again did not read my first post, right? I suggested a passive, which gives a chance to apply defile on all damage, so being able to maybe constantly defile somebody (I said, it is only a fun and bad idea anway). You surely would agree, that this would be OP. Basically a stamsorc still could run bleeds and all cancer, without having to rely on reverbrating bash or lethal arrow (which both would need to be casted all 4 seconds for permanent uptime).
It was a suggestion to give stamsorc some meaning, a speciality unique and a logical step to implement this idea would be nerfing their damage, because they should not have damage and defile both at the same time.
StamNBs are already the disease damage class. There can't be two disease damage classes at the same time.1 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »
And if you don't?
Being shoehorned into a masters weapon ... from where do I know this?
Stamplar?
Magsorc?
thats why there is written *nerf damage* first.
If class X with master weapon Y works too well but is nothing special without, your solution is to nerf the allround damage to force them even more in a specific setup?
Did you not read?
OP was talking about stamsorcs and defile, so I suggested to make stamsorc a defile class with a basic chance to apply defile on damage. Since this would be OP like this, the damage would need a nerf (PvP perspective only). This would result in a class with a lots of unique playstyled and unique group utility. Anyway I added at the end, that this probably would not be a fancy idea.
I did not talk at all about nerfing a class, because it performs well with one arena weapon. Feanor was talking about it being strong with master dual wield, I did not talk about that, I was referring to my previous post about adding defile to the stamsorc toolkit.
And I think it's even worse to gut (PvP) damage for a debuff that is easily applied by a large amount of other means.
and you again did not read my first post, right? I suggested a passive, which gives a chance to apply defile on all damage, so being able to maybe constantly defile somebody (I said, it is only a fun and bad idea anway). You surely would agree, that this would be OP. Basically a stamsorc still could run bleeds and all cancer, without having to rely on reverbrating bash or lethal arrow (which both would need to be casted all 4 seconds for permanent uptime).
It was a suggestion to give stamsorc some meaning, a speciality unique and a logical step to implement this idea would be nerfing their damage, because they should not have damage and defile both at the same time.
I read, I understood, I simply disagree. Futile anyway.and you again did not read my first post, right? I suggested a passive, which gives a chance to apply defile on all damage, so being able to maybe constantly defile somebody (I said, it is only a fun and bad idea anway). You surely would agree, that this would be OP. Basically a stamsorc still could run bleeds and all cancer, without having to rely on reverbrating bash or lethal arrow (which both would need to be casted all 4 seconds for permanent uptime).
It was a suggestion to give stamsorc some meaning, a speciality unique and a logical step to implement this idea would be nerfing their damage, because they should not have damage and defile both at the same time.
StamNBs are already the disease damage class. There can't be two disease damage classes at the same time.
What are the main dmg types of magblades and magplars?1 -
Checkmath✭✭✭✭✭
✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »
And if you don't?
Being shoehorned into a masters weapon ... from where do I know this?
Stamplar?
Magsorc?
thats why there is written *nerf damage* first.
If class X with master weapon Y works too well but is nothing special without, your solution is to nerf the allround damage to force them even more in a specific setup?
Did you not read?
OP was talking about stamsorcs and defile, so I suggested to make stamsorc a defile class with a basic chance to apply defile on damage. Since this would be OP like this, the damage would need a nerf (PvP perspective only). This would result in a class with a lots of unique playstyled and unique group utility. Anyway I added at the end, that this probably would not be a fancy idea.
I did not talk at all about nerfing a class, because it performs well with one arena weapon. Feanor was talking about it being strong with master dual wield, I did not talk about that, I was referring to my previous post about adding defile to the stamsorc toolkit.
And I think it's even worse to gut (PvP) damage for a debuff that is easily applied by a large amount of other means.
and you again did not read my first post, right? I suggested a passive, which gives a chance to apply defile on all damage, so being able to maybe constantly defile somebody (I said, it is only a fun and bad idea anway). You surely would agree, that this would be OP. Basically a stamsorc still could run bleeds and all cancer, without having to rely on reverbrating bash or lethal arrow (which both would need to be casted all 4 seconds for permanent uptime).
It was a suggestion to give stamsorc some meaning, a speciality unique and a logical step to implement this idea would be nerfing their damage, because they should not have damage and defile both at the same time.
I read, I understood, I simply disagree. Futile anyway.and you again did not read my first post, right? I suggested a passive, which gives a chance to apply defile on all damage, so being able to maybe constantly defile somebody (I said, it is only a fun and bad idea anway). You surely would agree, that this would be OP. Basically a stamsorc still could run bleeds and all cancer, without having to rely on reverbrating bash or lethal arrow (which both would need to be casted all 4 seconds for permanent uptime).
It was a suggestion to give stamsorc some meaning, a speciality unique and a logical step to implement this idea would be nerfing their damage, because they should not have damage and defile both at the same time.
StamNBs are already the disease damage class. There can't be two disease damage classes at the same time.
What are the main dmg types of magblades and magplars?
So you say a stamsorc with a passive applying defile on enemies is fine damagewise?0 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »
And if you don't?
Being shoehorned into a masters weapon ... from where do I know this?
Stamplar?
Magsorc?
thats why there is written *nerf damage* first.
If class X with master weapon Y works too well but is nothing special without, your solution is to nerf the allround damage to force them even more in a specific setup?
Did you not read?
OP was talking about stamsorcs and defile, so I suggested to make stamsorc a defile class with a basic chance to apply defile on damage. Since this would be OP like this, the damage would need a nerf (PvP perspective only). This would result in a class with a lots of unique playstyled and unique group utility. Anyway I added at the end, that this probably would not be a fancy idea.
I did not talk at all about nerfing a class, because it performs well with one arena weapon. Feanor was talking about it being strong with master dual wield, I did not talk about that, I was referring to my previous post about adding defile to the stamsorc toolkit.
And I think it's even worse to gut (PvP) damage for a debuff that is easily applied by a large amount of other means.
and you again did not read my first post, right? I suggested a passive, which gives a chance to apply defile on all damage, so being able to maybe constantly defile somebody (I said, it is only a fun and bad idea anway). You surely would agree, that this would be OP. Basically a stamsorc still could run bleeds and all cancer, without having to rely on reverbrating bash or lethal arrow (which both would need to be casted all 4 seconds for permanent uptime).
It was a suggestion to give stamsorc some meaning, a speciality unique and a logical step to implement this idea would be nerfing their damage, because they should not have damage and defile both at the same time.
I read, I understood, I simply disagree. Futile anyway.and you again did not read my first post, right? I suggested a passive, which gives a chance to apply defile on all damage, so being able to maybe constantly defile somebody (I said, it is only a fun and bad idea anway). You surely would agree, that this would be OP. Basically a stamsorc still could run bleeds and all cancer, without having to rely on reverbrating bash or lethal arrow (which both would need to be casted all 4 seconds for permanent uptime).
It was a suggestion to give stamsorc some meaning, a speciality unique and a logical step to implement this idea would be nerfing their damage, because they should not have damage and defile both at the same time.
StamNBs are already the disease damage class. There can't be two disease damage classes at the same time.
What are the main dmg types of magblades and magplars?
So you say a stamsorc with a passive applying defile on enemies is fine damagewise?
No, I'm saying that a passive that applies defile on the costs of nerfing damage is not worth it. So I disagree with your idea entirely. But you said it yourself, it's a bad idea anyway, so we do agree on that at least.
It wouldn't give them some meaning and it definitely wouldn't give them group utility. Not in group PvP, since someone will run Durok's anyway, and especially not in PvE. So many skills, even enchants and sets would make this passive obsolete. And the damage would just be lowered.
But if it makes you happy, yes, I agree that just adding a defile passive could be seen as OP.
E: I just assumed you mean a nerf of the energyzed passive with that. Because what else class damage is there to gut? Hurricane already got gutted by 75% extra dmg and other class damage skills are just non-existent, except implosion.Edited by Chilly-McFreeze on September 11, 2018 9:39AM0 -
WeylandLabs✭✭✭✭✭If you haven't PvP'd on a DW Stam Sorc and know about how you do vs did damage then and now. It's two different worlds rather your in group play, solo open world or in a duel.
I honestly didn't think it would make a difference pre Wolfhunter. But the trend and patterns of players playstyles, it's actually laughable how easy it is to counter now.
Not to mention everybody is an argonian for the super resources you get, and the major defile disease immunity. Pair that with S/B on a mag temp that's 100% unkillable. That's if you have a disease glyph or have any type of disease damage.
I'm just trying to be constructive in this to find a way to play my Stam Sorc it feel horrible and I tried every possible setup.
What I'm running now is 7 medium 2 malubeth 5 cyrodiil ward all 3 endurance 2 stam rec- swift, 1 infused damage. 2 vma daggers 1 masters bow, It's sustainable, but lacks a ton of damage.
On a Stam Sorc perspective, I like a lot of people ideas for the class. Its quite sensitive subject to even suggest a change. But I feel that is honestly the eso community a lot of people don't take change very well. At this point you have to look at the players, do you take advice from 10 casuals that rarely play the game. Or do you take advice from 1 player that has 100x times more and money and time invested in it. And too be honest il take anything at this point, just give them something.
Anything people say about changes will be looked at as negitive, any counter to a counter is bad in this community and that's actually hinders the rest of us.
In my opinion - the super healers will get worse and more unkillable builds are introduced. Let's be honest defile was the wolf keeping the deers in check. Now the deers will destroy the land. But again that's just my opinion, and we all know 1 persons opinion doesn't really mean anything in eso.
Thanks for the feedback.
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✭I am not totally sure what you mean Shokase. Do you mean the duration of defile itself?
While I have a StamSorc i never fully learned how 2 play it properly. Maybe I am missing some of your points due to that.0 -
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✭Shokasegambit1 wrote: »
In my opinion - the super healers will get worse and more unkillable builds are introduced. Let's be honest defile was the wolf keeping the deers in check. Now the deers will destroy the land. But again that's just my opinion, and we all know 1 persons opinion doesn't really mean anything in eso.
Thanks for the feedback.
I agree about defile but I hate the way in this game the hard counters don't just affect the thing they are meant to counter. Things like defile and bleed that are supposed to counter the high survivability tank builds do the same if not worse to most other builds so I'm glad defile got a nerf and will be glad if bleed get's a nerf.
I have tried so many setups on my stamsorc and they all feel weak compared to using dw axes and focusing on bleed/dots. I would love some more options for the class so we aren't forced into going that way like stamplars, it's just not fun imo.
I'm currently trying to make a build work without dw bleeds and defile but it feels like I'm hindering myself way too much.
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✭Darn I can no longer keep the strongest debuff in the game up 100% by only casting one ability every 10 seconds. - OP13 -
Sarousse✭✭✭✭✭
✭Agree.
I'm actually playing a dual wield stamsorc with ward of cyrodiil and thurvokun sets , with 100 pts in defile.
Well, all that I can say is that I litterally see no difference at all. People heal through it easily : everyone is stacking +healing bonuses.
It's far more effective to stack melee power and synchronize ultimates for some real burst than trying to overcome people through debuff heals.
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blindy107✭✭Why zos doesn’t play into the lightning damage aspects of sorc with a stam twist is beyond me.
Could rework some passive or even the bound aegis/armaments toggle to do something like “increase chance to apply concussed” on all weapon attacks or just light and heavy attacks. Play more with the off balance and minor vuln stuff maybe? I’m not a dev but I don’t see lots of issues going that route.Edited by blindy107 on September 11, 2018 2:31PM0 -
WeylandLabs✭✭✭✭✭LeifErickson wrote: »Darn I can no longer keep the strongest debuff in the game up 100% by only casting one ability every 10 seconds. - OP
News flash: Your suppose to die in PvP, this isn't a trial or people that don't have mechanics. It's the only way you learn and get better, and if your not getting better why even play ?
What is it with this trend of people scared of counters in PvP. Is there some type of ESO Battle-Royale add on I don't know about ?2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'll take a Stam sorc over any other class in BGs right now
Second would be stamden
Then Stam NB
But Stam sorc is strong, so strong.
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✭✭✭✭✭Shokasegambit1 wrote: »After the the changes to defile sets and reverb im throwing in the towel. I have tried every setup possible to defile in duels and group play.
I thought the befoul passive was broken until I saw that ZOS commented on a post saying it was a UI error and it's still getting the value of CP.
It's a shame that Stam Sorcs and Stam DKs still 3-4 years later have no identity as to class abilitys. Taking away one of our most potent things to acompany the people that like to gutiar hero fight is really sad.
So resource fighting finaly wins, I only been nerfed 8 times since 2016. Lol
Enjoy your guitar hero fighting, if I can't defile you il just run you outta resources.
Let me guess as "identity" You mean stam based spammable ? Also both stamsorc and stam dk have their identities and features they can be known of , fact You dont see it or dont like it doesnt change the fact it exist.
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Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Defile meta needed changing.
Stam Sorc is absolutely bananas strong though. Stack 3x damage sets and run minimal regen, speed+lingering pots, 2x swift, dark deal and meditate8 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Defile meta needed changing.
Stam Sorc is absolutely bananas strong though. Stack 3x damage sets and run minimal regen, speed+lingering pots, 2x swift, dark deal and meditate
I'm having a hell of a time doing the psijic quest for a 7th time tho lol4 -
Jjitsuboy98✭✭✭✭I have been running Stam sorc this patch and have shelved Stam dk. Stam dks damage sucks and sustain. Defile dot build was the only thing that allowed me to build for survivability and not have to have crazy damage to do so. Stam sorc is nice so far. Dark deal is crazy good.0
