Is cheat engine back on the rise?

Itoq

I am not going to speak to whether cheating via CE (or similiar) is happening or how often.

But, if there is a cutting edge program(s) for cheating in ESO then it is probably not named CE and is probably impossible to find unless someone shares it with you.

That is how cheat programs tend to exist - the old stuff can be found fairly easily while the new stuff is kept to a relatively small group of players (unless someone 'f's' up and shares it with someone who publicizes it.) Or that relatively small group of players share the program too often and those that have the cheat become so numerous that it is overly noticeable. Or some of the players using the program 'over-abuse' it and make it non-debatable that it exists.

Joshlenoir

It's always funny because the same people that say I'm cheating are the same people who never put in the time and effort to learn how to PvP on their own without massive groups.
I've never been accused of cheating by a good player who never chased me and zerged me down in PvP.
Your lack of understanding of CP, Builds, and PvP doesn't give you the green light to deem anything you can't beat in PvP cheating.
I stream PvP open world gameplay often and release YouTube videos explaining my playstyle as well as my builds. It's sad when foolish sore losers in this game accuse me of everything from "resource hacking", reducing my hit box (somehow), and somehow hacking my damage mitigation.
Not once have I ever been banned, suspended, caught on stream, or even given a warning about third party applications or cheating. Like @Thogard said- a smart, good player will ask questions and test for themselves, while people who don't care about improving- only winning, will jump on the cheat engine bangwagon which (if you understand what client vs server side is) doesn't even work anymore.

Lexxypwns

Joshlenoir wrote: »

It's always funny because the same people that say I'm cheating are the same people who never put in the time and effort to learn how to PvP on their own without massive groups.
I've never been accused of cheating by a good player who never chased me and zerged me down in PvP.
Your lack of understanding of CP, Builds, and PvP doesn't give you the green light to deem anything you can't beat in PvP cheating.
I stream PvP open world gameplay often and release YouTube videos explaining my playstyle as well as my builds. It's sad when foolish sore losers in this game accuse me of everything from "resource hacking", reducing my hit box (somehow), and somehow hacking my damage mitigation.
Not once have I ever been banned, suspended, caught on stream, or even given a warning about third party applications or cheating. Like @Thogard said- a smart, good player will ask questions and test for themselves, while people who don't care about improving- only winning, will jump on the cheat engine bangwagon which (if you understand what client vs server side is) doesn't even work anymore.

Big facts

Soris

^True they have changed things for client side/server side, but what if there is an another x engine program allowing players to hack the game properly? You can neven know that. And as a someone who is facing a cheater, you can never know if that said player changed his stats via cheat programs. That sucks and they have to implement a way of protection or detection system for sure!

Only for science and my own curiosity, I did some tests with cheat engine and this is what i got. It is quite shocking this can be done. Though the numbers go back to normal when you swap bars, so the cheat fails there. But if someone with zero programming knowledge can do this simple thing, what else someone with good experience can't do?

LtBottle

two months ago, there was a 'bug' with discord, that showed us last app you launched, not the game you were playing.

Was funny to see what "game" some guys were playing.

rfennell_ESO

LtBottle wrote: »

two months ago, there was a 'bug' with discord, that showed us last app you launched, not the game you were playing.

Was funny to see what "game" some guys were playing.

What "game" was it?

Waylander07

Anybody that cheats is a coward, simple as that. Respect to all the great players out there who have put the work in to become skilled but those that have to cheat to win are just sad and pathetic.

Thogard

Soris wrote: »

^True they have changed things for client side/server side, but what if there is an another x engine program allowing players to hack the game properly? You can neven know that. And as a someone who is facing a cheater, you can never know if that said player changed his stats via cheat programs. That sucks and they have to implement a way of protection or detection system for sure!

Only for science and my own curiosity, I did some tests with cheat engine and this is what i got. It is quite shocking this can be done. Though the numbers go back to normal when you swap bars, so the cheat fails there. But if someone with zero programming knowledge can do this simple thing, what else someone with good experience can't do?

Not sure if photoshop, old, or what...

Lexxypwns

Thogard wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

^True they have changed things for client side/server side, but what if there is an another x engine program allowing players to hack the game properly? You can neven know that. And as a someone who is facing a cheater, you can never know if that said player changed his stats via cheat programs. That sucks and they have to implement a way of protection or detection system for sure!

Only for science and my own curiosity, I did some tests with cheat engine and this is what i got. It is quite shocking this can be done. Though the numbers go back to normal when you swap bars, so the cheat fails there. But if someone with zero programming knowledge can do this simple thing, what else someone with good experience can't do?

Not sure if photoshop, old, or what...

It’s just visual, Ima need to see him deal damage on a dummy for comparison

rfennell_ESO

Thogard wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

^True they have changed things for client side/server side, but what if there is an another x engine program allowing players to hack the game properly? You can neven know that. And as a someone who is facing a cheater, you can never know if that said player changed his stats via cheat programs. That sucks and they have to implement a way of protection or detection system for sure!

Only for science and my own curiosity, I did some tests with cheat engine and this is what i got. It is quite shocking this can be done. Though the numbers go back to normal when you swap bars, so the cheat fails there. But if someone with zero programming knowledge can do this simple thing, what else someone with good experience can't do?

Not sure if photoshop, old, or what...

There are still stat sheet bugs in game that display bogus info.

Like the old "I'm a hacker with my flanking set exploit", which is merely a display error and doesn't actually work.

You can't tell anything by that without actually testing to see if it's actually like that.

Soris

Thogard wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

^True they have changed things for client side/server side, but what if there is an another x engine program allowing players to hack the game properly? You can neven know that. And as a someone who is facing a cheater, you can never know if that said player changed his stats via cheat programs. That sucks and they have to implement a way of protection or detection system for sure!

Only for science and my own curiosity, I did some tests with cheat engine and this is what i got. It is quite shocking this can be done. Though the numbers go back to normal when you swap bars, so the cheat fails there. But if someone with zero programming knowledge can do this simple thing, what else someone with good experience can't do?

Not sure if photoshop, old, or what...

It is neither photoshop nor old pic. I was casually reading this topic and wanted to test it myself if it is working or not. All live. You can do it yourself.

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

^True they have changed things for client side/server side, but what if there is an another x engine program allowing players to hack the game properly? You can neven know that. And as a someone who is facing a cheater, you can never know if that said player changed his stats via cheat programs. That sucks and they have to implement a way of protection or detection system for sure!

Only for science and my own curiosity, I did some tests with cheat engine and this is what i got. It is quite shocking this can be done. Though the numbers go back to normal when you swap bars, so the cheat fails there. But if someone with zero programming knowledge can do this simple thing, what else someone with good experience can't do?

Not sure if photoshop, old, or what...

It’s just visual, Ima need to see him deal damage on a dummy for comparison

Yes it is visual only. Game doesn't "register" altered stats. For example your stamina bar goes all the way to 99k but it stops filling your bar at 32k and it looks like you are almost out of stamina. When you swap bars or attack something, that 99999 number goes back to normal. It resets those numbers in both CE and in game. So your damage remains normal as if you didn't change the numbers.
But idk if there is a script to constantly changes those numbers to 99999. Or maybe any other way in CE settings or in a different program..


Edit: I just want to point out, Cheat Engine can still hack your stat screen. Anyone with half a brain can do it. It doesn't affect the game but you can change whatever stat you want and show it to your friends to freak them out.
Though Cheat Engine is already exposed and clearly they have prevented it working but it is still doing half of the job on your client side.

So if a simple program like Cheat Engine can do this on your client side, why can't some advanced program hack the game properly....?
They can, and cheaters will always find a way. And we can never be able to say it is 100% safe/cheat free.

Lexxypwns

Soris wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

^True they have changed things for client side/server side, but what if there is an another x engine program allowing players to hack the game properly? You can neven know that. And as a someone who is facing a cheater, you can never know if that said player changed his stats via cheat programs. That sucks and they have to implement a way of protection or detection system for sure!

Only for science and my own curiosity, I did some tests with cheat engine and this is what i got. It is quite shocking this can be done. Though the numbers go back to normal when you swap bars, so the cheat fails there. But if someone with zero programming knowledge can do this simple thing, what else someone with good experience can't do?

Not sure if photoshop, old, or what...

It is neither photoshop nor old pic. I was casually reading this topic and wanted to test it myself if it is working or not. All live. You can do it yourself.

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

^True they have changed things for client side/server side, but what if there is an another x engine program allowing players to hack the game properly? You can neven know that. And as a someone who is facing a cheater, you can never know if that said player changed his stats via cheat programs. That sucks and they have to implement a way of protection or detection system for sure!

Only for science and my own curiosity, I did some tests with cheat engine and this is what i got. It is quite shocking this can be done. Though the numbers go back to normal when you swap bars, so the cheat fails there. But if someone with zero programming knowledge can do this simple thing, what else someone with good experience can't do?

Not sure if photoshop, old, or what...

It’s just visual, Ima need to see him deal damage on a dummy for comparison

Yes it is visual only. Game doesn't "register" altered stats. For example your stamina bar goes all the way to 99k but it stops filling your bar at 32k and it looks like you are almost out of stamina. When you swap bars or attack something, that 99999 number goes back to normal. It resets those numbers in both CE and in game. So your damage remains normal as if you didn't change the numbers.
But idk if there is a script to constantly changes those numbers to 99999. Or maybe any other way in CE settings or in a different program..


Edit: I just want to point out, Cheat Engine can still hack your stat screen. Anyone with half a brain can do it. It doesn't affect the game but you can change whatever stat you want and show it to your friends to freak them out.
Though Cheat Engine is already exposed and clearly they have prevented it working but it is still doing half of the job on your client side.

So if a simple program like Cheat Engine can do this on your client side, why can't some advanced program hack the game properly....?

Because the vast majority of client side data is no longer trusted. This means you need to alter the server side data. If you think ZoS servers are compromised I’d advise you(and everyone) to end your sub since your financial information is the most valuable thing and would surely be the priority for someone doing that hacking.

Thogard

Soris wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

^True they have changed things for client side/server side, but what if there is an another x engine program allowing players to hack the game properly? You can neven know that. And as a someone who is facing a cheater, you can never know if that said player changed his stats via cheat programs. That sucks and they have to implement a way of protection or detection system for sure!

Only for science and my own curiosity, I did some tests with cheat engine and this is what i got. It is quite shocking this can be done. Though the numbers go back to normal when you swap bars, so the cheat fails there. But if someone with zero programming knowledge can do this simple thing, what else someone with good experience can't do?

Not sure if photoshop, old, or what...

It is neither photoshop nor old pic. I was casually reading this topic and wanted to test it myself if it is working or not. All live. You can do it yourself.

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

^True they have changed things for client side/server side, but what if there is an another x engine program allowing players to hack the game properly? You can neven know that. And as a someone who is facing a cheater, you can never know if that said player changed his stats via cheat programs. That sucks and they have to implement a way of protection or detection system for sure!

Only for science and my own curiosity, I did some tests with cheat engine and this is what i got. It is quite shocking this can be done. Though the numbers go back to normal when you swap bars, so the cheat fails there. But if someone with zero programming knowledge can do this simple thing, what else someone with good experience can't do?

Not sure if photoshop, old, or what...

It’s just visual, Ima need to see him deal damage on a dummy for comparison

Yes it is visual only. Game doesn't "register" altered stats. For example your stamina bar goes all the way to 99k but it stops filling your bar at 32k and it looks like you are almost out of stamina. When you swap bars or attack something, that 99999 number goes back to normal. It resets those numbers in both CE and in game. So your damage remains normal as if you didn't change the numbers.
But idk if there is a script to constantly changes those numbers to 99999. Or maybe any other way in CE settings or in a different program..


Edit: I just want to point out, Cheat Engine can still hack your stat screen. Anyone with half a brain can do it. It doesn't affect the game but you can change whatever stat you want and show it to your friends to freak them out.
Though Cheat Engine is already exposed and clearly they have prevented it working but it is still doing half of the job on your client side.

So if a simple program like Cheat Engine can do this on your client side, why can't some advanced program hack the game properly....?
They can, and cheaters will always find a way. And we can never be able to say it is 100% safe/cheat free.

Gotcha, so it’s a GUI thing but it’s firmly clientside.

It is weird that that wasn’t detected though.

Ankaridan

Riseyy wrote: »

Ive had things happen to me such as 2-4 dizzy swings hitting in one second, DoTs from the same skill hitting more times than they should in a second

I see this the most, and is the only time I suspect some cheating ****. Multiple attacks with cast times going off in the same second. And I have a collection of screenshots - it's not random occurrence, but the same few players every time I encounter them. The very last one I had this weekend: Roll dodge, roll dodge, charges with Stampede - suddenly I'm instadead. Death recap has Stampede, Dizzying Swing, Heavy Attack, Dawnbreaker, Reverse Slice.

I'm not going to call it latency or glitch because I'm not experiencing lag and it only happens when I encounter these certain individuals. Fortunately I can mark them using an addon that puts a GIANT RED STAR on their head so know not to even bother fighting them when I encounter them again.

I used to report them. And I'd continue to see them day after day, so now I save myself the 2 minutes of typing and just go somewhere else. No one likes a complainer.

Thogard

Ankaridan wrote: »

Riseyy wrote: »

Ive had things happen to me such as 2-4 dizzy swings hitting in one second, DoTs from the same skill hitting more times than they should in a second

I see this the most, and is the only time I suspect some cheating ****. Multiple attacks with cast times going off in the same second. And I have a collection of screenshots - it's not random occurrence, but the same few players every time I encounter them. The very last one I had this weekend: Roll dodge, roll dodge, charges with Stampede - suddenly I'm instadead. Death recap has Stampede, Dizzying Swing, Heavy Attack, Dawnbreaker, Reverse Slice.

I'm not going to call it latency or glitch because I'm not experiencing lag and it only happens when I encounter these certain individuals. Fortunately I can mark them using an addon that puts a GIANT RED STAR on their head so know not to even bother fighting them when I encounter them again.

I used to report them. And I'd continue to see them day after day, so now I save myself the 2 minutes of typing and just go somewhere else. No one likes a complainer.

@Ankaridan

Can I get a red star?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4RvQRG15YkI

Ankaridan

... Yep, that's what happens exactly.

This is something that's executed natively, then? .... Wow.

I think I'm going to be watching your video for the next 12 hours trying to figure out counters.

Lexxypwns

Ankaridan wrote: »

... Yep, that's what happens exactly.

This is something that's executed natively, then? .... Wow.

I think I'm going to be watching your video for the next 12 hours trying to figure out counters.

Block. You won’t get CCed and only DBoS will do real damage and the blocked heavy sets them off balance.

In general when someone gap closes you should tap block at the moment they’re going to deal damage anyway, that’ll stop you eating gap closer-DB combo too

MajBludd

This has been enlightening so far! Thank you again for posting.

Waylander07

I was fighting 2 reds at roe farm when I saw one of them setting up a subterranean assault which I roll dodged then turned to face the player only for him to instantly hit me with another subterranean assault, dizzying swing, another subterranean assault and dawnbreaker ultimate . His mate also hit me with howl. The fight lasted about 2 seconds after my roll dodge. This player in the space of about 5 seconds at most, fired of 3 subterranean assaults, a dizzing swing and an ultimate. How is this possible and please don’t say lag.
This is not the first time I have noticed this in pvp as certain players seem to hit really fast. I get that a lot of the time they are just really skilled but instances like the one above should not be possible.

Lexxypwns

Waylander07 wrote: »

I was fighting 2 reds at roe farm when I saw one of them setting up a subterranean assault which I roll dodged then turned to face the player only for him to instantly hit me with another subterranean assault, dizzying swing, another subterranean assault and dawnbreaker ultimate . His mate also hit me with howl. The fight lasted about 2 seconds after my roll dodge. This player in the space of about 5 seconds at most, fired of 3 subterranean assaults, a dizzing swing and an ultimate. How is this possible and please don’t say lag.
This is not the first time I have noticed this in pvp as certain players seem to hit really fast. I get that a lot of the time they are just really skilled but instances like the one above should not be possible.

Can have 3 subs land in 6.1 seconds. First one was precast, immediately recast after first explosion. Second hits 3 seconds into fight, cast again, 3rd one hits 3 seconds later. That’s ~6.1 seconds. Once you cast sub you can LA-Skill-LA-Dizzy, recast sub, etc

You got a video?

Waylander07

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Waylander07 wrote: »

I was fighting 2 reds at roe farm when I saw one of them setting up a subterranean assault which I roll dodged then turned to face the player only for him to instantly hit me with another subterranean assault, dizzying swing, another subterranean assault and dawnbreaker ultimate . His mate also hit me with howl. The fight lasted about 2 seconds after my roll dodge. This player in the space of about 5 seconds at most, fired of 3 subterranean assaults, a dizzing swing and an ultimate. How is this possible and please don’t say lag.
This is not the first time I have noticed this in pvp as certain players seem to hit really fast. I get that a lot of the time they are just really skilled but instances like the one above should not be possible.

Can have 3 subs land in 6.1 seconds. First one was precast, immediately recast after first explosion. Second hits 3 seconds into fight, cast again, 3rd one hits 3 seconds later. That’s ~6.1 seconds. Once you cast sub you can LA-Skill-LA-Dizzy, recast sub, etc

You got a video?

No I never recorded, but remember I dodged the first subterranean assault and the fight only lasted a couple of secs after that. This is not the first time that I have seen this kind of thing. I am not saying the guy was cheating I just don't understand how it is possible. I came up from the roll dodge, turned to face the guy and got instantly killed. I got 30k resistance and about and 27k health so its unusual for me to get wiped in 2 seconds. Plus I don't get how he could put those combinations of attack together so fast.

Lexxypwns

Waylander07 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Waylander07 wrote: »

I was fighting 2 reds at roe farm when I saw one of them setting up a subterranean assault which I roll dodged then turned to face the player only for him to instantly hit me with another subterranean assault, dizzying swing, another subterranean assault and dawnbreaker ultimate . His mate also hit me with howl. The fight lasted about 2 seconds after my roll dodge. This player in the space of about 5 seconds at most, fired of 3 subterranean assaults, a dizzing swing and an ultimate. How is this possible and please don’t say lag.
This is not the first time I have noticed this in pvp as certain players seem to hit really fast. I get that a lot of the time they are just really skilled but instances like the one above should not be possible.

Can have 3 subs land in 6.1 seconds. First one was precast, immediately recast after first explosion. Second hits 3 seconds into fight, cast again, 3rd one hits 3 seconds later. That’s ~6.1 seconds. Once you cast sub you can LA-Skill-LA-Dizzy, recast sub, etc

You got a video?

No I never recorded, but remember I dodged the first subterranean assault and the fight only lasted a couple of secs after that. This is not the first time that I have seen this kind of thing. I am not saying the guy was cheating I just don't understand how it is possible. I came up from the roll dodge, turned to face the guy and got instantly killed. I got 30k resistance and about and 27k health so its unusual for me to get wiped in 2 seconds. Plus I don't get how he could put those combinations of attack together so fast.

Well I just explained it to you. You saw him Sub, dodged out of his path, he subbed again, did whatever, sub goes off, subs again, dizzy+DB, GG

The reality is if you eat unmitigated burst from 2 good players you’re likely to die.

Waylander07

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Waylander07 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Waylander07 wrote: »

I was fighting 2 reds at roe farm when I saw one of them setting up a subterranean assault which I roll dodged then turned to face the player only for him to instantly hit me with another subterranean assault, dizzying swing, another subterranean assault and dawnbreaker ultimate . His mate also hit me with howl. The fight lasted about 2 seconds after my roll dodge. This player in the space of about 5 seconds at most, fired of 3 subterranean assaults, a dizzing swing and an ultimate. How is this possible and please don’t say lag.
This is not the first time I have noticed this in pvp as certain players seem to hit really fast. I get that a lot of the time they are just really skilled but instances like the one above should not be possible.

Can have 3 subs land in 6.1 seconds. First one was precast, immediately recast after first explosion. Second hits 3 seconds into fight, cast again, 3rd one hits 3 seconds later. That’s ~6.1 seconds. Once you cast sub you can LA-Skill-LA-Dizzy, recast sub, etc

You got a video?

No I never recorded, but remember I dodged the first subterranean assault and the fight only lasted a couple of secs after that. This is not the first time that I have seen this kind of thing. I am not saying the guy was cheating I just don't understand how it is possible. I came up from the roll dodge, turned to face the guy and got instantly killed. I got 30k resistance and about and 27k health so its unusual for me to get wiped in 2 seconds. Plus I don't get how he could put those combinations of attack together so fast.

Well I just explained it to you. You saw him Sub, dodged out of his path, he subbed again, did whatever, sub goes off, subs again, dizzy+DB, GG

The reality is if you eat unmitigated burst from 2 good players you’re likely to die.

You never explained what happened to me you just assumed that you did, typical unhelpful answer but then again you weren’t there and I was so I guess you would know best then. Dont be such an ass

Sweetare

Waylander07 wrote: »

I was fighting 2 reds at roe farm when I saw one of them setting up a subterranean assault which I roll dodged then turned to face the player only for him to instantly hit me with another subterranean assault, dizzying swing, another subterranean assault and dawnbreaker ultimate . His mate also hit me with howl. The fight lasted about 2 seconds after my roll dodge. This player in the space of about 5 seconds at most, fired of 3 subterranean assaults, a dizzing swing and an ultimate. How is this possible and please don’t say lag.
This is not the first time I have noticed this in pvp as certain players seem to hit really fast. I get that a lot of the time they are just really skilled but instances like the one above should not be possible.

I've been playing my Stam warden a lot in PvP lately, and I can tell you that happens when the server starts to crap out. Last night on Vivec, I killed a couple of poor blues that I'm pretty sure have no idea what truck hit them. I casted my Sub assault like always, Reverb and Birds, except that nothing happened. so I just did Sub assault again and spammed birds. Like 6-7 seconds later everything fired and the guy just dropped dead.
No slicing, no Dizzy (cant stand the skill) and no funny business, happened 2 or 3 times last night. All skills were lagging too, and bar swap was super unreliable.

Lexxypwns

Waylander07 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Waylander07 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Waylander07 wrote: »

I was fighting 2 reds at roe farm when I saw one of them setting up a subterranean assault which I roll dodged then turned to face the player only for him to instantly hit me with another subterranean assault, dizzying swing, another subterranean assault and dawnbreaker ultimate . His mate also hit me with howl. The fight lasted about 2 seconds after my roll dodge. This player in the space of about 5 seconds at most, fired of 3 subterranean assaults, a dizzing swing and an ultimate. How is this possible and please don’t say lag.
This is not the first time I have noticed this in pvp as certain players seem to hit really fast. I get that a lot of the time they are just really skilled but instances like the one above should not be possible.

Can have 3 subs land in 6.1 seconds. First one was precast, immediately recast after first explosion. Second hits 3 seconds into fight, cast again, 3rd one hits 3 seconds later. That’s ~6.1 seconds. Once you cast sub you can LA-Skill-LA-Dizzy, recast sub, etc

You got a video?

No I never recorded, but remember I dodged the first subterranean assault and the fight only lasted a couple of secs after that. This is not the first time that I have seen this kind of thing. I am not saying the guy was cheating I just don't understand how it is possible. I came up from the roll dodge, turned to face the guy and got instantly killed. I got 30k resistance and about and 27k health so its unusual for me to get wiped in 2 seconds. Plus I don't get how he could put those combinations of attack together so fast.

Well I just explained it to you. You saw him Sub, dodged out of his path, he subbed again, did whatever, sub goes off, subs again, dizzy+DB, GG

The reality is if you eat unmitigated burst from 2 good players you’re likely to die.

You never explained what happened to me you just assumed that you did, typical unhelpful answer but then again you weren’t there and I was so I guess you would know best then. Dont be such an ass

I literally did explain it. The fight took at least 5 seconds from the time the first sub exploded and you admitted it was up to 5 seconds. While you were dodging his second sub was already casted. You lost the fight before it even started because you didn’t react properly to the high damage build you’re facing.

I’m not being an ass, you’re just refusing to see any possible answer but your own. I’m trying to help you. Of course I’m speculating about what happened because you came here acting like someone had to have cheated to beat you despite having double your numbers and you admitting to making mistakes. If you record instances you think are cheating it’s more helpful.

Since sub has a 3 second timer you can land 2 skills between each explosion no problem. Most likely he did Sub-Heavy-Dizzy-Sub again-heavy-DB and the combo of his burst plus another player focusing you caused a quick death because you were attempting to roll dodge instead of tap blocking.

Whatever your resists WERE you’ve got Major Fracture applied and both guys likely have some penetration CP, which leaves you at about 19k resists, which isn’t enough to eat repeated burst without blocking or using LoS to mitigate.

I can’t speculate on what the other guy was going but I can tell from the info you have given that you were completely defensive so I’m sure he was able to focus on getting uninterrupted damage off on you. When you first encounter a high damage warden, get to LoS or tap block when his sub/dizzy is getting ready to go off so he can’t CC. The block won’t stop the damage since sub and DB ignore block but it’ll let you instantly heal instead of just getting melted trying to CC break.

If you need more advice on fighting wardens shoot me a message and I’ll break down everything you can do to counter them. It’s a class that can punish you hard for making a mistake but that can’t nearly as much if you control the fight.

Lexxypwns

Sweetare wrote: »

Waylander07 wrote: »

I was fighting 2 reds at roe farm when I saw one of them setting up a subterranean assault which I roll dodged then turned to face the player only for him to instantly hit me with another subterranean assault, dizzying swing, another subterranean assault and dawnbreaker ultimate . His mate also hit me with howl. The fight lasted about 2 seconds after my roll dodge. This player in the space of about 5 seconds at most, fired of 3 subterranean assaults, a dizzing swing and an ultimate. How is this possible and please don’t say lag.
This is not the first time I have noticed this in pvp as certain players seem to hit really fast. I get that a lot of the time they are just really skilled but instances like the one above should not be possible.

I've been playing my Stam warden a lot in PvP lately, and I can tell you that happens when the server starts to crap out. Last night on Vivec, I killed a couple of poor blues that I'm pretty sure have no idea what truck hit them. I casted my Sub assault like always, Reverb and Birds, except that nothing happened. so I just did Sub assault again and spammed birds. Like 6-7 seconds later everything fired and the guy just dropped dead.
No slicing, no Dizzy (cant stand the skill) and no funny business, happened 2 or 3 times last night. All skills were lagging too, and bar swap was super unreliable.

You were probably also flashing in and out of visibility because the circumstances that cause a macro slice with no gap closer use is the same thing that causes a player to be invisible/reappear over and over, you look like you’re teleporting around.

Sweetare

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Waylander07 wrote: »

I was fighting 2 reds at roe farm when I saw one of them setting up a subterranean assault which I roll dodged then turned to face the player only for him to instantly hit me with another subterranean assault, dizzying swing, another subterranean assault and dawnbreaker ultimate . His mate also hit me with howl. The fight lasted about 2 seconds after my roll dodge. This player in the space of about 5 seconds at most, fired of 3 subterranean assaults, a dizzing swing and an ultimate. How is this possible and please don’t say lag.
This is not the first time I have noticed this in pvp as certain players seem to hit really fast. I get that a lot of the time they are just really skilled but instances like the one above should not be possible.

I've been playing my Stam warden a lot in PvP lately, and I can tell you that happens when the server starts to crap out. Last night on Vivec, I killed a couple of poor blues that I'm pretty sure have no idea what truck hit them. I casted my Sub assault like always, Reverb and Birds, except that nothing happened. so I just did Sub assault again and spammed birds. Like 6-7 seconds later everything fired and the guy just dropped dead.
No slicing, no Dizzy (cant stand the skill) and no funny business, happened 2 or 3 times last night. All skills were lagging too, and bar swap was super unreliable.

You were probably also flashing in and out of visibility because the circumstances that cause a macro slice with no gap closer use is the same thing that causes a player to be invisible/reappear over and over, you look like you’re teleporting around.

Interesting.
I was also just doing normal light attack weaving between my skills. So who knows whats going on there

killimandrosb16_ESO

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Lexxypwns

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Lexxypwns wrote: »

Sweetare wrote: »

Waylander07 wrote: »

I was fighting 2 reds at roe farm when I saw one of them setting up a subterranean assault which I roll dodged then turned to face the player only for him to instantly hit me with another subterranean assault, dizzying swing, another subterranean assault and dawnbreaker ultimate . His mate also hit me with howl. The fight lasted about 2 seconds after my roll dodge. This player in the space of about 5 seconds at most, fired of 3 subterranean assaults, a dizzing swing and an ultimate. How is this possible and please don’t say lag.
This is not the first time I have noticed this in pvp as certain players seem to hit really fast. I get that a lot of the time they are just really skilled but instances like the one above should not be possible.

I've been playing my Stam warden a lot in PvP lately, and I can tell you that happens when the server starts to crap out. Last night on Vivec, I killed a couple of poor blues that I'm pretty sure have no idea what truck hit them. I casted my Sub assault like always, Reverb and Birds, except that nothing happened. so I just did Sub assault again and spammed birds. Like 6-7 seconds later everything fired and the guy just dropped dead.
No slicing, no Dizzy (cant stand the skill) and no funny business, happened 2 or 3 times last night. All skills were lagging too, and bar swap was super unreliable.

You were probably also flashing in and out of visibility because the circumstances that cause a macro slice with no gap closer use is the same thing that causes a player to be invisible/reappear over and over, you look like you’re teleporting around.

Interesting.
I was also just doing normal light attack weaving between my skills. So who knows whats going on there

I know on my mageblade when I’ve got the type of connection issues that cause jumping in and out of invis I seem to land every light attack weave. I know a lot of people say that lag makes weaving harder but this particular type of lag seems to let me proc my bow every 5th skill without fail. It’s a weird “lag” that comes when you’re struggling to stay connected to the server and it can cause all sorts of funny things to happen

Waylander07

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Waylander07 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Waylander07 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Waylander07 wrote: »

I was fighting 2 reds at roe farm when I saw one of them setting up a subterranean assault which I roll dodged then turned to face the player only for him to instantly hit me with another subterranean assault, dizzying swing, another subterranean assault and dawnbreaker ultimate . His mate also hit me with howl. The fight lasted about 2 seconds after my roll dodge. This player in the space of about 5 seconds at most, fired of 3 subterranean assaults, a dizzing swing and an ultimate. How is this possible and please don’t say lag.
This is not the first time I have noticed this in pvp as certain players seem to hit really fast. I get that a lot of the time they are just really skilled but instances like the one above should not be possible.

Can have 3 subs land in 6.1 seconds. First one was precast, immediately recast after first explosion. Second hits 3 seconds into fight, cast again, 3rd one hits 3 seconds later. That’s ~6.1 seconds. Once you cast sub you can LA-Skill-LA-Dizzy, recast sub, etc

You got a video?

No I never recorded, but remember I dodged the first subterranean assault and the fight only lasted a couple of secs after that. This is not the first time that I have seen this kind of thing. I am not saying the guy was cheating I just don't understand how it is possible. I came up from the roll dodge, turned to face the guy and got instantly killed. I got 30k resistance and about and 27k health so its unusual for me to get wiped in 2 seconds. Plus I don't get how he could put those combinations of attack together so fast.

Well I just explained it to you. You saw him Sub, dodged out of his path, he subbed again, did whatever, sub goes off, subs again, dizzy+DB, GG

The reality is if you eat unmitigated burst from 2 good players you’re likely to die.

You never explained what happened to me you just assumed that you did, typical unhelpful answer but then again you weren’t there and I was so I guess you would know best then. Dont be such an ass

I literally did explain it. The fight took at least 5 seconds from the time the first sub exploded and you admitted it was up to 5 seconds. While you were dodging his second sub was already casted. You lost the fight before it even started because you didn’t react properly to the high damage build you’re facing.

I’m not being an ass, you’re just refusing to see any possible answer but your own. I’m trying to help you. Of course I’m speculating about what happened because you came here acting like someone had to have cheated to beat you despite having double your numbers and you admitting to making mistakes. If you record instances you think are cheating it’s more helpful.

Since sub has a 3 second timer you can land 2 skills between each explosion no problem. Most likely he did Sub-Heavy-Dizzy-Sub again-heavy-DB and the combo of his burst plus another player focusing you caused a quick death because you were attempting to roll dodge instead of tap blocking.

Whatever your resists WERE you’ve got Major Fracture applied and both guys likely have some penetration CP, which leaves you at about 19k resists, which isn’t enough to eat repeated burst without blocking or using LoS to mitigate.

I can’t speculate on what the other guy was going but I can tell from the info you have given that you were completely defensive so I’m sure he was able to focus on getting uninterrupted damage off on you. When you first encounter a high damage warden, get to LoS or tap block when his sub/dizzy is getting ready to go off so he can’t CC. The block won’t stop the damage since sub and DB ignore block but it’ll let you instantly heal instead of just getting melted trying to CC break.

If you need more advice on fighting wardens shoot me a message and I’ll break down everything you can do to counter them. It’s a class that can punish you hard for making a mistake but that can’t nearly as much if you control the fight.

Let me start by saying that you are not only being an ass but also very arrogant. Your explanation completely ignores everything that I said, and you have even changed what I said had happened to justify your theory which you have delivered as fact.

You claim that I came here acting like someone had to cheat to beat me which I have never said. Nowhere did I call the player a cheat, I was only looking for an explanation as to what happened.

As for not accepting any answer but my own that is complete bullcrap and another baseless assumption that you have made. I rejected your answer because it did not fit in with what I experienced.

You also claim that I admitted making a mistake and that I fought defensive, how so?

I roll dodged and avoided taking any damage from his first attack, I then turned in his direction to attack but was killed before I could react. While I can accept that as I roll dodged the first attack he pressed for the second subterranean assault, but I cannot see how he had time to fire of the third as the fight never lasted long enough.

as for capturing things on video, really you want me to record everytime i play.

Then there is your offer of more help lol what can I say, you assume that I am a bad player despite knowing nothing about me. You really come across as a person that confuses assumptions as fact so let me spell out some real facts for you …

You do not know me or what I am like, this is a fact as I am sure we have never met.
You do not know my level of skill as a player (see above)
You did not witness the incident that I was talking about so only have my description to go on which you decided to change to suit your theory. Why would I accept that what I experienced was wrong when you were not even there?

These are real facts, you really need to learn the difference. If you need any help with that I would be happy to help 😊