Is cheat engine back on the rise?

HeroOfNone

We seem to have a lot of heresay about how widespread the problem is and when certain players are cheating. So why don't we focus on solutions that will help eliminate false positives; and possibly help confirm fishy activities:

1. A death recap that includes what sets/skills a player was using
2. An inspection mode for teammates
3. A timestamp on what attacks hit you
4. A time stamp of you last few abilities and when they went off

Given the cosmetic changes and animation canceling these days it's hard to tell what you're getting hit with at times. These items should clear up some mysticism behind certain builds, let you know if your ability actually went off, let you know when you lagged, and in what order the server recieved it's commands. I stress this should come from ZOS and not an addon, as what matters is what the server sees.

Mintaka5

It's never gone away. Look at all the top players in PvP. They've been at the top consistently for years. No one wins all of the time unless they fix the system to guarantee wins. And as one who doesn't use cheats or hacks, the gap of character performance between those who win all of the time, and those who get beat down constantly is absurd. A tell-tale sign that lots of players are using exploits/cheats/hacks.

It's not about me losing, it's how I lose.

LegacyDM

LegacyDM wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

People really need to spend some time learning game mechanics, 99% of the *** in this thread are just known bugs.

Wonder if I’d get banned if I made a video showing exactly what CE can and can’t do. I think it’s be a good resource

The fact you know what it can and cannot do is even more worrisome.. and that you are so adamant that these aren't cheat engine imo speaks volumes..

Knowing what cheat engine can and cannot do has nothing to do with knowledge of cheat engine.

It has everything to do with knowledge of the ESO engine and the dynamic between server side and client side variables.

Even if that weren’t the case, trying to discuss a topic and then personally attacking anyone who says they have knowledge of that topic is beyond irrational. It is the exact same logic of the anti-vaccers who accuse all doctors of being “in on the conspiracy.” It is literally that exact same logic.

Most doctors are and i'm an anti Vaccer.. Funnily the people i know that get vaccinated are always the sickest when they finally do catch something.. Its a dangerous money making scam that will bite the human race in the ass if its not stopped..

But hey off topic..

Off the top of my head, Cholera, polio, measles, mumps, typhoid, various hepatitis strains, diphtheria, smallpox and tetanus all have vaccines that have saved and will continue to save lives throughout the modern world. Some of these have been eradicated due to vaccines. I've had every single one of these vaccines and am glad that I did. Would rather be safe than sorry then suffer through anyone of these bad boys. Step on a rusty nail? Your going to wish you had the tetanus vaccination. Rust is a nasty bacteria that will cause paralysis and could lead to death if untreated.

Do we all need a flu vaccination and is it overly commercialized to make money? Sure, but don't over generalize and dismiss the dangers listed above. Hell, even the military vaccinates it's soldiers fighting in hazard zones within the Middle East wth Anthrax vaccines. Hell, I got vaccinated at boot camp with the horse shot and arm guns. You think the military is in the business of giving money away to the drug companies just for the hell of it? No there is a justifiable reason why they vaccinate.

What ever vaccination myth you bought into has been debunked by the journal of Medicine years ago. The guy who came up with the conspiracy theory has been descredited by the scientific community and is a crackpot hack. Do the research.

Now, getting back to CE. Your claims are irrational. Zos does have detection in place for CE.

However, I do believe there are work arounds for being undetected. I also experience stuff that is sometimes unexplainable. I ran into 2 people in IC the other night and were unkillable, never ran out of resources, and hit like a truck. They had 42k health and never ran out of resources even though they sprinted throughout the whole fight and every rotation I kept fearing. they broke the fear like 15 times In a row and never ran out of stamina. Both, my stam NB friend, and my Templar friend couldn't do anything to them either. My friend was jabbing them to death and nothing. Finally, we got them split apart and 3v1 we couldn't get him to run out of resources and he kept sprinting around hitting like a truck when he had the opportunity.

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@LegacyDM

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/10millionstories

“Join 10 million players”

@rfennell_ESO I can say for 100% certain that after the meteor spam incident that everything of value except for player position was moved server side. I cannot say if they are still there, but I’ve had specific discussion with some of the players involved that made a point to test out a lot of thing. I also know that you can manipulate player positioning without any 3rd party software because I can easily cause position desyncs just by bottle necking my internet connection.

I think their logic was that positional hacking was easy to notice for players and people wouldn’t be so willing to do that as they were to add another 800 stam regen, something you couldn’t really notice when fighting them.

I know your smarter than that. 10million is copies sold or accounts created since 2014. not total active users or monthly concurrent users. Using a promo hype event as your basis isn’t very credible.

As discussed over and over in various different threads the # is more likely at around 2.5 million. I understand your argument and rationale for determining a number for potential cheaters but let’s try to be more on accurate.

Don’t, just don’t, try and test cheat engine. It’s not worth the risk. They can look up your host machine name in logs. If you do test it. Test it on the pts. On the bright side if you get banned it will only be temporary.

Reverb

Mintaka5 wrote: »

It's never gone away. Look at all the top players in PvP. They've been at the top consistently for years. No one wins all of the time unless they fix the system to guarantee wins. And as one who doesn't use cheats or hacks, the gap of character performance between those who win all of the time, and those who get beat down constantly is absurd. A tell-tale sign that lots of players are using exploits/cheats/hacks.

It's not about me losing, it's how I lose.

I’m not sure how you’re measuring pvp “wins”.

The way to be at the top of the pvp leaderboards is to play a lot. Really A Lot. You don’t have to be cheating, you don’t have to be good, you don’t even have to have a decent build. If you have time and a halfassed idea of AP gains you can be on the Cyrodiil leaderboards. Battleground leaderboards are even easier, you just need to put in the time.

Is that what you consider to be “top players in pvp”? Some of those players are good, some just have a lot of spare time on their hands. That is in no way in indicator of cheating.

Of maybe you mean the scoreboards? The Cyrodiil campaigns go to the alliance with the highest non-peak hour population. The best pvDoor team gets the “w”. Again, not a measure of talent or of cheating.

Mintaka5

Reverb wrote: »

I’m not sure how you’re measuring pvp “wins”.

The way to be at the top of the pvp leaderboards is to play a lot. Really A Lot. You don’t have to be cheating, you don’t have to be good, you don’t even have to have a decent build. If you have time and a halfassed idea of AP gains you can be on the Cyrodiil leaderboards. Battleground leaderboards are even easier, you just need to put in the time.

Is that what you consider to be “top players in pvp”? Some of those players are good, some just have a lot of spare time on their hands. That is in no way in indicator of cheating.

Of maybe you mean the scoreboards? The Cyrodiil campaigns go to the alliance with the highest non-peak hour population. The best pvDoor team gets the “w”. Again, not a measure of talent or of cheating.

I measure "wins" in Kills:Deaths.

I don't have that much time. I have a real life to manage, and fortunately that takes up a lot of my time.

To see the same people at the top all of the time is just ridiculous. No one is that good! Unless they cheat. Even the winners lose eventually. The mere fact that these players are always on top, means that they have exploited the game enough to even beat out the supposed balances that ZOS has sadly attempted in the past patches.

I'm sorry but all the denials are not convincing enough. The mere fact that there is so much defense put up in denying that cheating exists, just convinces me more that it is rampant in ESO.

I've been playing this game long enough to know the mechanics of PvP, and honestly the lack of progression, and a sense of accomplishment against dominating players is completely absent in this game. The overwhelming domination by the same players consistently proves that they cheat.

NBrookus

Mintaka5 wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

I’m not sure how you’re measuring pvp “wins”.

The way to be at the top of the pvp leaderboards is to play a lot. Really A Lot. You don’t have to be cheating, you don’t have to be good, you don’t even have to have a decent build. If you have time and a halfassed idea of AP gains you can be on the Cyrodiil leaderboards. Battleground leaderboards are even easier, you just need to put in the time.

Is that what you consider to be “top players in pvp”? Some of those players are good, some just have a lot of spare time on their hands. That is in no way in indicator of cheating.

Of maybe you mean the scoreboards? The Cyrodiil campaigns go to the alliance with the highest non-peak hour population. The best pvDoor team gets the “w”. Again, not a measure of talent or of cheating.

I measure "wins" in Kills:Deaths.

To see the same people at the top all of the time is just ridiculous.

KDR is not a build-in function of Cyrodiil, and doesn't affect campaign leaderboards in the slightest.

It's also not a very good indicator of skill. Begin able to run around in a large group farming unorganized players will make your KDR look fabulous even if you are a terrible player.

LordSarevok

I tried to Google any of these things and only came up with stuff from 2016. Are recent things happening? And if so, where is the proof?

Lexxypwns

LegacyDM wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

People really need to spend some time learning game mechanics, 99% of the *** in this thread are just known bugs.

Wonder if I’d get banned if I made a video showing exactly what CE can and can’t do. I think it’s be a good resource

The fact you know what it can and cannot do is even more worrisome.. and that you are so adamant that these aren't cheat engine imo speaks volumes..

Knowing what cheat engine can and cannot do has nothing to do with knowledge of cheat engine.

It has everything to do with knowledge of the ESO engine and the dynamic between server side and client side variables.

Even if that weren’t the case, trying to discuss a topic and then personally attacking anyone who says they have knowledge of that topic is beyond irrational. It is the exact same logic of the anti-vaccers who accuse all doctors of being “in on the conspiracy.” It is literally that exact same logic.

Most doctors are and i'm an anti Vaccer.. Funnily the people i know that get vaccinated are always the sickest when they finally do catch something.. Its a dangerous money making scam that will bite the human race in the ass if its not stopped..

But hey off topic..

Off the top of my head, Cholera, polio, measles, mumps, typhoid, various hepatitis strains, diphtheria, smallpox and tetanus all have vaccines that have saved and will continue to save lives throughout the modern world. Some of these have been eradicated due to vaccines. I've had every single one of these vaccines and am glad that I did. Would rather be safe than sorry then suffer through anyone of these bad boys. Step on a rusty nail? Your going to wish you had the tetanus vaccination. Rust is a nasty bacteria that will cause paralysis and could lead to death if untreated.

Do we all need a flu vaccination and is it overly commercialized to make money? Sure, but don't over generalize and dismiss the dangers listed above. Hell, even the military vaccinates it's soldiers fighting in hazard zones within the Middle East wth Anthrax vaccines. Hell, I got vaccinated at boot camp with the horse shot and arm guns. You think the military is in the business of giving money away to the drug companies just for the hell of it? No there is a justifiable reason why they vaccinate.

What ever vaccination myth you bought into has been debunked by the journal of Medicine years ago. The guy who came up with the conspiracy theory has been descredited by the scientific community and is a crackpot hack. Do the research.

Now, getting back to CE. Your claims are irrational. Zos does have detection in place for CE.

However, I do believe there are work arounds for being undetected. I also experience stuff that is sometimes unexplainable. I ran into 2 people in IC the other night and were unkillable, never ran out of resources, and hit like a truck. They had 42k health and never ran out of resources even though they sprinted throughout the whole fight and every rotation I kept fearing. they broke the fear like 15 times In a row and never ran out of stamina. Both, my stam NB friend, and my Templar friend couldn't do anything to them either. My friend was jabbing them to death and nothing. Finally, we got them split apart and 3v1 we couldn't get him to run out of resources and he kept sprinting around hitting like a truck when he had the opportunity.

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@LegacyDM

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/10millionstories

“Join 10 million players”

@rfennell_ESO I can say for 100% certain that after the meteor spam incident that everything of value except for player position was moved server side. I cannot say if they are still there, but I’ve had specific discussion with some of the players involved that made a point to test out a lot of thing. I also know that you can manipulate player positioning without any 3rd party software because I can easily cause position desyncs just by bottle necking my internet connection.

I think their logic was that positional hacking was easy to notice for players and people wouldn’t be so willing to do that as they were to add another 800 stam regen, something you couldn’t really notice when fighting them.

I know your smarter than that. 10million is copies sold or accounts created since 2014. not total active users or monthly concurrent users. Using a promo hype event as your basis isn’t very credible.

As discussed over and over in various different threads the # is more likely at around 2.5 million. I understand your argument and rationale for determining a number for potential cheaters but let’s try to be more on accurate.

Don’t, just don’t, try and test cheat engine. It’s not worth the risk. They can look up your host machine name in logs. If you do test it. Test it on the pts. On the bright side if you get banned it will only be temporary.

I mean, I think you’re intentionally being obtuse by refusing to acknowledge that cheating isn’t some huge widespread issue so I’m using the data that’s literally been provided to us and using that to be intentionally obtuse myself.

I think we’re both smarter than the arguments we are presenting, but you wanted actual facts and I’m supplying them.

Fact is, until ZoS is transparent about exactly what information being relayed from the client is trusted we will continue to have rampant speculation and excuse making.

What I can say for certain is that I can recreate 99.99% of the things in this thread with 100% reliability without any 3rd party software and that most of it actually cannot be done with 3rd party software.

The thing is, I know cheating goes on, I know players who are cheating actively on a regular basis and I’m open to being exposed to new ways that people are cheating. However, most of the players making accusations of cheating are completely unwilling to have an open mind that the things they’re seeing either aren’t cheating at all or are done with no 3rd party software manipulation. This close mindedness makes me think they’re likely very subpar players and further discredits their arguments in my mind.

Dojohoda

DO NOT use CE to make videos to show us what it does. You likely will get banned despite your intentions.

ZOS can do thier own tests.

Lexxypwns

Dojohoda wrote: »

DO NOT use CE to make videos to show us what it does. You likely will get banned despite your intentions.

ZOS can do thier own tests.

And if I don’t care about being banned because it’s a throw away account is there some other reason I shouldn’t do it?

@Dojohoda

Dojohoda

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Dojohoda wrote: »

DO NOT use CE to make videos to show us what it does. You likely will get banned despite your intentions.

ZOS can do thier own tests.

And if I don’t care about being banned because it’s a throw away account is there some other reason I shouldn’t do it?

@Dojohoda

Fair enough. I had considered that you plan to buy the game and that it's a throw away account. I didn't tag you in the comment; it is for everyone. Some people in this forum might not have been here the last time a person decided to reveal the use of CE by making videos on his "real" account.

DemonDruaga

Dunno, the last time I saw a speed hacker was years ago.
Flag guards are cheating, they chain ping pong me and bug my skills out like its intended lol

Arthg

Here we go again, another ride on the CE merry-go-round.
Crikey have we not been here already.

From calls to cheats to cries to L2P.
From urges to send video evidence to technical speculations.
From apocalyptic descriptions of a cheat-ridden game to patronizing pats on the shoulder with rose-tinted glasses.

Chasing our own tails.

Granted, in this month's latest instalment, Lexxypwns offers to stick his neck out and carry out an unprecedented experiment - what can actually be done by cheating?

Not to cold-shower anyone, but this thread and any endeavours to assess cheating are pointless.
Some cheats can probably never be evidenced by a video taken by an outsider, and there's no way to tell whether the experiment will cover all cheating possibilities.

The only ones that can play ball are ZOS, and their policy is based on sweeping it all under the rug secrecy.

I for one just moon my hairy Malacathical buttocks at anyone I think is involved in funky business - and walk away.

Lexxypwns

Arthg wrote: »

Here we go again, another ride on the CE merry-go-round.
Crikey have we not been here already.

From calls to cheats to cries to L2P.
From urges to send video evidence to technical speculations.
From apocalyptic descriptions of a cheat-ridden game to patronizing pats on the shoulder with rose-tinted glasses.

Chasing our own tails.

Granted, in this month's latest instalment, Lexxypwns offers to stick his neck out and carry out an unprecedented experiment - what can actually be done by cheating?

Not to cold-shower anyone, but this thread and any endeavours to assess cheating are pointless.
Some cheats can probably never be evidenced by a video taken by an outsider, and there's no way to tell whether the experiment will cover all cheating possibilities.

The only ones that can play ball are ZOS, and their policy is based on sweeping it all under the rug secrecy.

I for one just moon my hairy Malacathical buttocks at anyone I think is involved in funky business - and walk away.

You’re right, the only true solution is transparency from ZoS

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

rfennell_ESO

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Arthg wrote: »

Here we go again, another ride on the CE merry-go-round.
Crikey have we not been here already.

From calls to cheats to cries to L2P.
From urges to send video evidence to technical speculations.
From apocalyptic descriptions of a cheat-ridden game to patronizing pats on the shoulder with rose-tinted glasses.

Chasing our own tails.

Granted, in this month's latest instalment, Lexxypwns offers to stick his neck out and carry out an unprecedented experiment - what can actually be done by cheating?

Not to cold-shower anyone, but this thread and any endeavours to assess cheating are pointless.
Some cheats can probably never be evidenced by a video taken by an outsider, and there's no way to tell whether the experiment will cover all cheating possibilities.

The only ones that can play ball are ZOS, and their policy is based on sweeping it all under the rug secrecy.

I for one just moon my hairy Malacathical buttocks at anyone I think is involved in funky business - and walk away.

You’re right, the only true solution is transparency from ZoS

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

That's all many of us want.

It's not like it was... when there were people that were literally unkillable. Everyone is mortal in pvp right now.

Thing is, particularly if you play NoCP where it's often a bit more obvious due to the lack of CP... you still see people that perform at a clip that's a bit hard to believe.

Lastly, the issue of "I can explain 99% of things": Sure, but in NoCP it becomes a lot harder to explain. Just because something *can* be explained doesn't always make that explanation accurate. Stuff like watching someone hit for max damage, but never run out of resources all while taking highly reduced damage at all times and moving at movement speed cap most the time... which there are a fair bit of in NoCP, while you can explain portions of what's described... it becomes hard to explain all of them in one build.

There are other issues that might not be CE as well. Like the "where did the fully charged heavy attacks come from" that certain people abused for so long (and probably still are).

Judas Helviaryn

LegacyDM wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

People really need to spend some time learning game mechanics, 99% of the *** in this thread are just known bugs.

Wonder if I’d get banned if I made a video showing exactly what CE can and can’t do. I think it’s be a good resource

The fact you know what it can and cannot do is even more worrisome.. and that you are so adamant that these aren't cheat engine imo speaks volumes..

Knowing what cheat engine can and cannot do has nothing to do with knowledge of cheat engine.

It has everything to do with knowledge of the ESO engine and the dynamic between server side and client side variables.

Even if that weren’t the case, trying to discuss a topic and then personally attacking anyone who says they have knowledge of that topic is beyond irrational. It is the exact same logic of the anti-vaccers who accuse all doctors of being “in on the conspiracy.” It is literally that exact same logic.

Most doctors are and i'm an anti Vaccer.. Funnily the people i know that get vaccinated are always the sickest when they finally do catch something.. Its a dangerous money making scam that will bite the human race in the ass if its not stopped..

But hey off topic..

Off the top of my head, Cholera, polio, measles, mumps, typhoid, various hepatitis strains, diphtheria, smallpox and tetanus all have vaccines that have saved and will continue to save lives throughout the modern world. Some of these have been eradicated due to vaccines. I've had every single one of these vaccines and am glad that I did. Would rather be safe than sorry then suffer through anyone of these bad boys. Step on a rusty nail? Your going to wish you had the tetanus vaccination. Rust is a nasty bacteria that will cause paralysis and could lead to death if untreated.

Do we all need a flu vaccination and is it overly commercialized to make money? Sure, but don't over generalize and dismiss the dangers listed above. Hell, even the military vaccinates it's soldiers fighting in hazard zones within the Middle East wth Anthrax vaccines. Hell, I got vaccinated at boot camp with the horse shot and arm guns. You think the military is in the business of giving money away to the drug companies just for the hell of it? No there is a justifiable reason why they vaccinate.

What ever vaccination myth you bought into has been debunked by the journal of Medicine years ago. The guy who came up with the conspiracy theory has been descredited by the scientific community and is a crackpot hack. Do the research.

Now, getting back to CE. Your claims are irrational. Zos does have detection in place for CE.

However, I do believe there are work arounds for being undetected. I also experience stuff that is sometimes unexplainable. I ran into 2 people in IC the other night and were unkillable, never ran out of resources, and hit like a truck. They had 42k health and never ran out of resources even though they sprinted throughout the whole fight and every rotation I kept fearing. they broke the fear like 15 times In a row and never ran out of stamina. Both, my stam NB friend, and my Templar friend couldn't do anything to them either. My friend was jabbing them to death and nothing. Finally, we got them split apart and 3v1 we couldn't get him to run out of resources and he kept sprinting around hitting like a truck when he had the opportunity. Finally, we gave up and left. Yeah I think CE or a like program is being used. Do I think it's wide spread? No. I think a handful or so of people are using it. From my understanding it's a fairly complicated Program to use now and find tables for it. and to configure undetection is also tricky.

A bit off-topic, but rust itself is just oxidized iron. It is not bacteria.

The bacteria that causes tetanus can indeed be ON the rusted item, but you can also get an infection from a non-visibly oxidized scrap of iron or steel. It lives primarily in the ground.

phairdon

Thogard wrote: »

phairdon wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@Thogard you’re a known CE user and you’re recording yourself using it then claiming they’re bugs!

SSShhhhhH!

Here's me flying around cyro. i really can't explain this one other than to say i got zos'd

https://clips.twitch.tv/EnergeticKawaiiPepperoniUncleNox

Haha. Pretty much what i saw today with the DC player. Difference being the player did not fall to their death and were moving upward & backward.

need some videoooo

with shadowplay and streaming being so common, we gotta get some vids up in here.

Wish I had thought about recording or taking a screenshot at the time. Alas, being in the middle of a battle, didn't come to mind. Did ask in zone chat if any other players noticed. Got no reply.

Lexxypwns

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Arthg wrote: »

Here we go again, another ride on the CE merry-go-round.
Crikey have we not been here already.

From calls to cheats to cries to L2P.
From urges to send video evidence to technical speculations.
From apocalyptic descriptions of a cheat-ridden game to patronizing pats on the shoulder with rose-tinted glasses.

Chasing our own tails.

Granted, in this month's latest instalment, Lexxypwns offers to stick his neck out and carry out an unprecedented experiment - what can actually be done by cheating?

Not to cold-shower anyone, but this thread and any endeavours to assess cheating are pointless.
Some cheats can probably never be evidenced by a video taken by an outsider, and there's no way to tell whether the experiment will cover all cheating possibilities.

The only ones that can play ball are ZOS, and their policy is based on sweeping it all under the rug secrecy.

I for one just moon my hairy Malacathical buttocks at anyone I think is involved in funky business - and walk away.

You’re right, the only true solution is transparency from ZoS

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

That's all many of us want.

It's not like it was... when there were people that were literally unkillable. Everyone is mortal in pvp right now.

Thing is, particularly if you play NoCP where it's often a bit more obvious due to the lack of CP... you still see people that perform at a clip that's a bit hard to believe.

Lastly, the issue of "I can explain 99% of things": Sure, but in NoCP it becomes a lot harder to explain. Just because something *can* be explained doesn't always make that explanation accurate. Stuff like watching someone hit for max damage, but never run out of resources all while taking highly reduced damage at all times and moving at movement speed cap most the time... which there are a fair bit of in NoCP, while you can explain portions of what's described... it becomes hard to explain all of them in one build.

There are other issues that might not be CE as well. Like the "where did the fully charged heavy attacks come from" that certain people abused for so long (and probably still are).

Hopefully we can manage to get them to take this seriously and give us what we want.

@ZOS_AntonioP yo buddy, since you’re all up in my DMs, can you maybe get someone that’s part of the ZoS team to comment at least?

rfennell_ESO

Lexxypwns wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Arthg wrote: »

Here we go again, another ride on the CE merry-go-round.
Crikey have we not been here already.

From calls to cheats to cries to L2P.
From urges to send video evidence to technical speculations.
From apocalyptic descriptions of a cheat-ridden game to patronizing pats on the shoulder with rose-tinted glasses.

Chasing our own tails.

Granted, in this month's latest instalment, Lexxypwns offers to stick his neck out and carry out an unprecedented experiment - what can actually be done by cheating?

Not to cold-shower anyone, but this thread and any endeavours to assess cheating are pointless.
Some cheats can probably never be evidenced by a video taken by an outsider, and there's no way to tell whether the experiment will cover all cheating possibilities.

The only ones that can play ball are ZOS, and their policy is based on sweeping it all under the rug secrecy.

I for one just moon my hairy Malacathical buttocks at anyone I think is involved in funky business - and walk away.

You’re right, the only true solution is transparency from ZoS

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

That's all many of us want.

It's not like it was... when there were people that were literally unkillable. Everyone is mortal in pvp right now.

Thing is, particularly if you play NoCP where it's often a bit more obvious due to the lack of CP... you still see people that perform at a clip that's a bit hard to believe.

Lastly, the issue of "I can explain 99% of things": Sure, but in NoCP it becomes a lot harder to explain. Just because something *can* be explained doesn't always make that explanation accurate. Stuff like watching someone hit for max damage, but never run out of resources all while taking highly reduced damage at all times and moving at movement speed cap most the time... which there are a fair bit of in NoCP, while you can explain portions of what's described... it becomes hard to explain all of them in one build.

There are other issues that might not be CE as well. Like the "where did the fully charged heavy attacks come from" that certain people abused for so long (and probably still are).

Hopefully we can manage to get them to take this seriously and give us what we want.

@ZOS_AntonioP yo buddy, since you’re all up in my DMs, can you maybe get someone that’s part of the ZoS team to comment at least?

Just an accurate and honest opinion from them about the state of CE in game and hacks in general.

I've known about a dozen players (including my brother) that quit because of it. Maybe it wasn't all CE, maybe it was... but, when people get it into their craw that the playing field ain't level (even if they are wrong), people quit.

Universe

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Arthg wrote: »

Here we go again, another ride on the CE merry-go-round.
Crikey have we not been here already.

From calls to cheats to cries to L2P.
From urges to send video evidence to technical speculations.
From apocalyptic descriptions of a cheat-ridden game to patronizing pats on the shoulder with rose-tinted glasses.

Chasing our own tails.

Granted, in this month's latest instalment, Lexxypwns offers to stick his neck out and carry out an unprecedented experiment - what can actually be done by cheating?

Not to cold-shower anyone, but this thread and any endeavours to assess cheating are pointless.
Some cheats can probably never be evidenced by a video taken by an outsider, and there's no way to tell whether the experiment will cover all cheating possibilities.

The only ones that can play ball are ZOS, and their policy is based on sweeping it all under the rug secrecy.

I for one just moon my hairy Malacathical buttocks at anyone I think is involved in funky business - and walk away.

You’re right, the only true solution is transparency from ZoS

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

That's all many of us want.

It's not like it was... when there were people that were literally unkillable. Everyone is mortal in pvp right now.

Thing is, particularly if you play NoCP where it's often a bit more obvious due to the lack of CP... you still see people that perform at a clip that's a bit hard to believe.

Lastly, the issue of "I can explain 99% of things": Sure, but in NoCP it becomes a lot harder to explain. Just because something *can* be explained doesn't always make that explanation accurate. Stuff like watching someone hit for max damage, but never run out of resources all while taking highly reduced damage at all times and moving at movement speed cap most the time... which there are a fair bit of in NoCP, while you can explain portions of what's described... it becomes hard to explain all of them in one build.

There are other issues that might not be CE as well. Like the "where did the fully charged heavy attacks come from" that certain people abused for so long (and probably still are).

Hopefully we can manage to get them to take this seriously and give us what we want.

@ZOS_AntonioP yo buddy, since you’re all up in my DMs, can you maybe get someone that’s part of the ZoS team to comment at least?

Just an accurate and honest opinion from them about the state of CE in game and hacks in general.

I've known about a dozen players (including my brother) that quit because of it. Maybe it wasn't all CE, maybe it was... but, when people get it into their craw that the playing field ain't level (even if they are wrong), people quit.

There never was level playing field.
There is only an illusion that there was.
Only when the obvious cheats are caught in videos and in screenshots and are more common, players wake up and understand the gravity of this issue.

LeifErickson

@rfennell_ESO

I love how you always have all these great anecdotes of when you have run into cheaters and you are always in these threads spreading your gospel yet you have never posted evidence in any of these threads to prove your stories. It's funny how I never run into these players you always talk about. I wonder if because maybe it's not true? Post evidence or say nothing at all please.

@Lexxypwns

Don't open the game with CE running even to test things out. Maybe it might work on the PTS (I honestly doubt it) but on live you will instantly get perma banned from the game so there is no point.

As for what you can accomplish with CE, all I have heard but don't I know for sure is being able to modify ult, speed, and crit chance but I doubt you would still be able to do those things.

Finviuswe

My philosophy is just to have sympathy for anyone who actually feels the need to cheat in this game.

Since it doesn't make any sense to cheat (no tangible rewards or really any reward or prize at all in PvP), you just gotta feel sorry for the guys.

Lexxypwns

@LeifErickson if what you say is true then it seems to disprove what a lot of people are saying, that or I just need to use a different 3rd party program

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_BillE @ZOS_GaryA any info on this or maybe some plans for transparency from ZoS about this?

usmguy1234

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@LeifErickson if what you say is true then it seems to disprove what a lot of people are saying, that or I just need to use a different 3rd party program

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_BillE @ZOS_GaryA any info on this or maybe some plans for transparency from ZoS about this?

Give me a shout in game if you need "help" with anything. I'm probably going to quit once Zos nerfs sorc shields anyways in the next patch.

LegacyDM

DanteYoda wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

People really need to spend some time learning game mechanics, 99% of the *** in this thread are just known bugs.

Wonder if I’d get banned if I made a video showing exactly what CE can and can’t do. I think it’s be a good resource

The fact you know what it can and cannot do is even more worrisome.. and that you are so adamant that these aren't cheat engine imo speaks volumes..

Knowing what cheat engine can and cannot do has nothing to do with knowledge of cheat engine.

It has everything to do with knowledge of the ESO engine and the dynamic between server side and client side variables.

Even if that weren’t the case, trying to discuss a topic and then personally attacking anyone who says they have knowledge of that topic is beyond irrational. It is the exact same logic of the anti-vaccers who accuse all doctors of being “in on the conspiracy.” It is literally that exact same logic.

Most doctors are and i'm an anti Vaccer.. Funnily the people i know that get vaccinated are always the sickest when they finally do catch something.. Its a dangerous money making scam that will bite the human race in the ass if its not stopped..

But hey off topic..

Funnily?

LeifErickson wrote: »

@rfennell_ESO

I love how you always have all these great anecdotes of when you have run into cheaters and you are always in these threads spreading your gospel yet you have never posted evidence in any of these threads to prove your stories. It's funny how I never run into these players you always talk about. I wonder if because maybe it's not true? Post evidence or say nothing at all please.

@Lexxypwns

Don't open the game with CE running even to test things out. Maybe it might work on the PTS (I honestly doubt it) but on live you will instantly get perma banned from the game so there is no point.

As for what you can accomplish with CE, all I have heard but don't I know for sure is being able to modify ult, speed, and crit chance but I doubt you would still be able to do those things.

There's ways around being detected. Just do a google search and a ton of info and videos come up explaining how to not get detected. Since his main account is console he should be ok using a PC burner account. I would be more concerned if he had a main PC account and a burner account. Because even with a burner account they could trace his main account back to the same computer host name listed in the host files. He should also use a VPN proxy to disguise his IP address. That way Zos can't detect the same address coming from his console when he uses his main account. We also know that Zos doesn't perma ban. I caught the meteror spammer in twitch video and then ran into him back in game a year later. Same name same class same everything. I also saw z****r back in game too.

IZZEFlameLash

jabrone77 wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

This is why i couldn't handle playing on PC.

I have my doubts about many console players as it is, let alone if they had easy access to the macros / CE / add on crap pc does.

Sure many people that cry cheat are wrong, and haven't seen the spec or ability people cam achieve. But then when you see the same players always doing odd stuff or taking advantage, the doubt is there.

I've seem the same team of 4 blinking invisible on two separate nights. I'm WELL aware it could be coincidence.....but.....

This was a year ago, but still shows that cheating happens on console.
This is PS4. You can clearly see this players health cannot go to zero, he's/she's dropping banners left and right, sometimes 4 at a time (and they have a high ultimate cost), doing no healing or any defensive measure....just dropping ultimates and spamming steel tornado. Also cannot be bashed.
You can see other members of his faction enter the tower and get obliterated, there's so much damage going on. But somehow, this person cannot be killed.

https://youtu.be/8kLbQY3Trxk

Cheating happens on console too.

Edit: I agree cheating gets thrown around way too often, and isn't always the case. Because of that, I think it's far too easy to dismiss someone who's actually cheating.
There's a huge difference between getting beat by a good player, and someone like in the above video.

Inb4 l2p/clever use of mechanics from the same people that exploited broken sets for so long. That is just... damn, and since his standards don't move and disappear when casting new one. Pretty sure that is hacked.

rfennell_ESO

It's always funny how you can tell who the users are in these threads, aint it?

LeifErickson

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

It's always funny how you can tell who the users are in these threads, aint it?

Let's see that prove maybe hmm? Maybe people would actually listen to you if you had some, but you don't.

rfennell_ESO

LeifErickson wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

It's always funny how you can tell who the users are in these threads, aint it?

Let's see that prove maybe hmm? Maybe people would actually listen to you if you had some, but you don't.

What's it to you? Why would you even care if people think perhaps some people are cheating?

Some people think we faked the moon landings, do I find them and harass them over it? Or do I just totally ignore them and laugh to myself?

I could link you a video if I chose to. I certainly can't reasonably block out names in a video though to post it. You might think different after seeing some of my unlisted videos, but I suspect not.

Aurielle

Universe wrote: »

I'm beginning to believe that my "Near immortal tanks" mega discussion was the prologue to all this recent cheating issue.
I described tanks who can't die despite 20++ players trying to kill them for an extremely long time.
This was also introduced in Update 19.
So maybe this wasn't just OP sets, maybe they used third party cheating program too.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/431310/near-immortal-tanks-introduced-update-19#latest

I don’t doubt for a second that cheat engine is a thing. Be careful, though, regarding tanking and accusations of cheating.

In BGs, I run a heal tank for land grab matches. To unskilled players, I probably seem like an immortal cheater. With my gear combo, I’m even able to get kills solo while having 3k crit resistance and nearly capped phys/spell resistance. In Cyrodiil, I’ve used the same gear combo (plus all the added benefits of CP) to tank noob zergs solo or in small groups. I probably seem immortal there too. The moment I’m up against skilled players who hit hard and use Oblivion damage sets, though? I’m very much mortal.

I’m not saying you’re unskilled, and I agree that on PC, at least, there’s cause for concern that immortal tanks might be using CE. I just fear that noobs will search the forums after encountering people like me and immediately jump to the conclusion that any solo player they can’t kill in a group or zerg is cheating.