Is Swift balanced?

WreckfulAbandon

If Swift is balanced and healthy gameplay then the Steed Stone is crying along with Lady Liberty, and I'm glad I transmuted all those pieces to Swift!

I vote for 7.5% per piece.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xckrrXdUFBk

technohic

Option 4 is the worst but I'm not suing

I don’t take issue with swift as a concept. You’re giving up something for mobility. The problem is the damned servers can barely handle normal speed

Joy_Division

Swift is fine as is

Can we go one week without a topic saying something in the game is overpowered?

Every time people convince ZOS to nerf something, something else will seem to be overpowered so more nerf requests start rolling in.

Jewelry crafting hasn't been out for too long. One swift by itself is hardly game-breaking. Three are good, but it gives up a bunch of stats and I haven't had enough time to judge

Solariken

Swift is fine as is

Swift is fine primarily because you make a significant trade-off to use it.

Speed pots however need a bit of an uptime nerf IMO.

redspecter23

Swift is fine as is

Swift is fine. You are right that by comparison Steed is absolute garbage for movement speed. It's barely perceptible, even with full divines. Buff Steed.

LegendaryMage

Depending on the build, swift can be a great choice. If you're going for more weapon damage rather than max stam, 3x swift is great.

As for whether it's unbalanced or not, I'd say it's very strong but not OP. You are giving away stats in exchange for speed.

Infused is great too, as is tri-une (my favorite). They all have their uses.

ManDraKE

The problem is not swift being overpowered or not, the problem is the combat system working like crap vs targets moving at high speed.

Trying to hit a stamsorc with minor+major expedition and swift jewerly with meele attacks is borderline stupid. If you understand some combat mechanics you can abuse the combat system to the point where a guy sitting right in front of you will miss 50% of his attacks, even when you are on range of their meelee abilities. I'm not going into details, but experienced stam PvPers know how to abuse this. And this is not a problem only with stamsorcs, you can do it with every class, stamsorcs are just the most obvious example of it.

Movement speed is already a problem, and i really dont see how they can fix it withouth some awful bandit fix like they did with the unresistable snare in gapclosers. That being said, i just finished with the research of the trait and i'm going to slap swift in every single build LOL

Cadbury

Swift is fine as is

Joy_Division wrote: »

Can we go one week without a topic saying something in the game is overpowered?

Every time people convince ZOS to nerf something, something else will seem to be overpowered so more nerf requests start rolling in.

Jewelry crafting hasn't been out for too long. One swift by itself is hardly game-breaking. Three are good, but it gives up a bunch of stats and I haven't had enough time to judge

Great. There goes my next topic discussing how OP the s&b and Mages Guild skill line is.

Waffennacht

Swift is fine as is

It's fine

Brutusmax1mus

Swift is fine as is

Run v Xers love swift. (Ppl who out number thier opponents and run when the tide turns.

king of gamez coined that i think

Fun in capture the flag tho.

_Ahala_

Swift is fine as is

It’s fine

WreckfulAbandon

Swift should be 7.5% per jewelry piece

I'm not entirely convinced it's fine as is. Just wanted to gauge opinion. I see people are protective of all the transmute crystals they spent! I would still keep my Swift jewelry at 7.5% each but it would make the choice more meaningful imo.

Joy_Division wrote: »

Can we go one week without a topic saying something in the game is overpowered?

Every time people convince ZOS to nerf something, something else will seem to be overpowered so more nerf requests start rolling in.

Jewelry crafting hasn't been out for too long. One swift by itself is hardly game-breaking. Three are good, but it gives up a bunch of stats and I haven't had enough time to judge

Let us know if you change your mind after trying 3 swift for awhile. It's a game changer; 3k resources is not. With minor expedition and 3 swift you jog as fast as a lot of builds sprint. Throw in major and you're making people alt+f4 in BG's.

redspecter23 wrote: »

Swift is fine. You are right that by comparison Steed is absolute garbage for movement speed. It's barely perceptible, even with full divines. Buff Steed.

I think Steed is fine since it gives health regen and supposedly speeds up heavies. But Swift shouldn't outperform it to the degree that it does.

Waffennacht

Swift is fine as is

I never thought that when people said that everything is going to have a thread about nerfing it made were serious...

Until now

CatchMeTrolling

If anything it just made mag and stam builds fast now , a lot of stam builds already ran speed pots. The difference is now they don’t sprint to be as fast.

Trinity_Is_My_Name

Swift is fine as is

Joy_Division wrote: »

Can we go one week without a topic saying something in the game is overpowered?

Every time people convince ZOS to nerf something, something else will seem to be overpowered so more nerf requests start rolling in.

Jewelry crafting hasn't been out for too long. One swift by itself is hardly game-breaking. Three are good, but it gives up a bunch of stats and I haven't had enough time to judge

Yep! Agree. The Nerf team is in full force these days!

DeadlyRecluse

It is very frustrating trying to fight swifties using any kind of channeled abilities, but I don't know that it makes it imbalanced.

It certainly is strong, but on the other hand it's a trait that is occasionally completely useless.

technohic

Option 4 is the worst but I'm not suing

Im not sure it matters. Apparently at times, I cant hit someone whos standing still right in front of me. At this point, they might as well make it like the games where you have to push the buttons rapidly, faster than the other guy to determine a winner.

rfennell_ESO

Option 4 made my IQ go down... I'm suing

I don't think it's Overpowered.

However it shows a little bit of an issue of balance for orcs and stamsorcs/stamwarden and particularly for orc stamsorc/wardens.

I'm ok with minor expedition... but the orc buffed sprint speed on top of it makes it a little too easy for certain combination to hit max speed versus other classes that have to sacrifice 2 traits to also do so. If speed is the goal, anyone not an orc and not a stamsorc/warden has to give up a bit to achieve it...

Minno

Swift is fine as is

Swift is fine. One vamps bane or similar cheap snare drops your Swift bonus down to normal run speed.

It's 8 sec forward momentum for less than 2k cost that's the issue. Swap the duration with shuffle.

technohic

Option 4 is the worst but I'm not suing

Minno wrote: »

Swift is fine. One vamps bane or similar cheap snare drops your Swift bonus down to normal run speed.

It's 8 sec forward momentum for less than 2k cost that's the issue. Swap the duration with shuffle.

I actually ran shuffle on my Templar when going medium to run rally and then decided to leave FM and not bother with shuffle on my NB and even in medium I find FM better. Really should be swapped.

Solariken

Swift is fine as is

Minno wrote: »

It's 8 sec forward momentum for less than 2k cost that's the issue. Swap the duration with shuffle.

Nah what I would prefer is FM reduced to 4 sec.

For Shuffle I would prefer they reduce the cost and Major Evasion uptime by about 50%.

jaime1982

Not OP but it's a damn shame that stam toons can use speed+stam+brutality pots but mag toons cant use the same in their version.

IZZEFlameLash

Swift should be 5% per jewelry piece

Speed is for Sonic the terrible abomination of a hedgehog. And with bad targetting system and animations, you can barely hit anyone moving so fast

Mojomonkeyman

Swift is too strong on stamina anything, especially on HA brawler builds - it synergizes too well with Forward Momentum and Shuffle (not to the same extend due to lower immunity duration). We are at a point where even range damage can be outrun. The game can't handle that in my opinion.

But I don't like any of the proposed solutions. Snares are not popular, yet they are necessary. I personally preferred Elder Snares Online over the current Elder Swift Online.

My approach would be to strap any snare immunity function from forward momentum (and maybe even shuffle), the removal on cast can stay. Since snares have been nerfed heavily and swift has been introduced as soft counter I can imagine the outcome feeling a lot better than basically every stamina player running from anything that doesn't go his way. Swift stamina builds should be punishable, swift shouldn't be a free pass.

dave011

You are missing a option

# we don't care as speed has all ready been nurfed

the only place speed has a small factor is in PVP and only when scroll running. If you have a good team you can get a scroll back even from the far side of all it takes is planing and teamwork.

eso_nya

Swift is fine as is

Compared to robust u r losing 2,4k stamina, compared to infused u r losing 312 weapon dmg. Sounds fair.

TheDoomsdayMonster

Swift is fine as is

Swift is fine...

The sacrifice to get it is significant...

Swift x3 is costing me about 1.5k DPS on my Sweeps and it makes a big difference...

Feanor

Swift should be 5% per jewelry piece

eso_nya wrote: »

Compared to robust u r losing 2,4k stamina, compared to infused u r losing 312 weapon dmg. Sounds fair.

Not when you can easily make up for it with proc or bleed damage, especially in noCP.

Pijng

Feanor wrote: »

eso_nya wrote: »

Compared to robust u r losing 2,4k stamina, compared to infused u r losing 312 weapon dmg. Sounds fair.

Not when you can easily make up for it with proc or bleed damage, especially in noCP.

But you can do it as well with 3 arcane or infused. Even more damage, uh.

Feanor

Swift should be 5% per jewelry piece

Pijng wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

eso_nya wrote: »

Compared to robust u r losing 2,4k stamina, compared to infused u r losing 312 weapon dmg. Sounds fair.

Not when you can easily make up for it with proc or bleed damage, especially in noCP.

But you can do it as well with 3 arcane or infused. Even more damage, uh.

Procs or Bleeds are not amplified by stat pools.

Pijng

Feanor wrote: »

Pijng wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

eso_nya wrote: »

Compared to robust u r losing 2,4k stamina, compared to infused u r losing 312 weapon dmg. Sounds fair.

Not when you can easily make up for it with proc or bleed damage, especially in noCP.

But you can do it as well with 3 arcane or infused. Even more damage, uh.

Procs or Bleeds are not amplified by stat pools.

Still you'll deal more dmg, since you dont have only proc sets and bleeds as yojr dmg tools rigth?