Magplar PvP

UppGRAYxDD · November 2018

So I've been playing alot of other games recently, but had to come back to check out how the state of magplar pvp. All I can say is: "Hello Bright Throats!"... Ill post stats later but I ended up testing shacklebreaker and bright throats with a bunch of different monster set combinations as well as testing light vs Hvy versions. IMO this combo will be probably the most used setup this patch. The biggest positive with the combination was the ability to be flexible towards the users needs, especially with the changes made to rune focus allowing users to gain stamina back over time. I settled on two combinations: (bright throats and shacklebreaker with 1domihaus and 1kena, 5/2 Hvy/lgt, all dmg enchants all arcane, all tristat on equipment) and, (bright throats/shacklebreaker ,1domi, 1 grothdar, 5/1/1 light/hvy/med, all dmg enchants, all protective, all tristat enchants).
I thoroughly enjoy both setups, and as always you can just toss Skoria on instead of mix and matching monster set pieces...

VirtualElizabeth · November 2018

I also love me some Bright Throat!!! So Protective is the way to go now? Also Vamp or not to vamp.....that is the question!

Datolite · November 2018

Never go 1/1 monster set on magplar. Not when there are so many good 2pc to choose from.

As for protective, I would generally recommend against it unless your build specifically lacks resistances.

Vamp? Hate to say it but mist is useful as ever. I don't run it but I'm stubborn. Vamp is advantage.

NBrookus · November 2018

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

Blowing unsuspecting targets up with Dark Flare is fun for a while, the overall usefulness of both a DF centric turret build as well as a more generic build incorporating DF into their rotation is fairly limited though. Just think about how often the skill pops up on your death recap - That's right, pretty much never. That should tell you something.

I slot it over total dark in small group for the aoe defile more than the damage. Without the old empower i can't think of it the same regarding damage.

Which a stamden can provide for less magicka and without the channel.

The damage of DF is really good, but the channel is really dicey versus a decent opponent and very wonky in lag.

They could, but they have enough magicka buffs they need to use, asking them to stay buffed up and have 3k mag ready on command isn't always reliable. Especially with how easy to leave the area is. 1 dodge roll gets someone out so you can't even root them effectively. It's good area denial though. Ive mixed opinions on corrupting pollen. It should linger got 2 seconds after leaving imo. Pollens a pain to get off yourself after all.

I don't have any issues with magicka on stamden and I run Pollen for group. But then I'm not trying to run a magicka costing heal.

A sticky pollen would be a nice buff for magdens, but it'd also buff stamden and they really don't need it.

cazlonb16_ESO · November 2018

NBrookus wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

Blowing unsuspecting targets up with Dark Flare is fun for a while, the overall usefulness of both a DF centric turret build as well as a more generic build incorporating DF into their rotation is fairly limited though. Just think about how often the skill pops up on your death recap - That's right, pretty much never. That should tell you something.

I slot it over total dark in small group for the aoe defile more than the damage. Without the old empower i can't think of it the same regarding damage.

Which a stamden can provide for less magicka and without the channel.

The damage of DF is really good, but the channel is really dicey versus a decent opponent and very wonky in lag.

An even bigger problem is the slow ass travel time.

Syiccal · November 2018

what do we think of the new j beam in pvp?

Brutusmax1mus · November 2018

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

I also love me some Bright Throat!!! So Protective is the way to go now? Also Vamp or not to vamp.....that is the question!

Im using 1 protective ring on my light armor build now. Might make it two.

Syiccal wrote: »

what do we think of the new j beam in pvp?

Im still casting it and forgetting it's not 3 seconds lol. Overall i like it though, ready for it to get fixed though. Much easier to use in a 1vx situation.

Syiccal · November 2018

any one using crescent sweep?
Thoughts?

CyrusArya · November 2018

Syiccal wrote: »

any one using crescent sweep?
Thoughts?

Tricky ability to use, but incredible when it connects. Huge burst damage, but also a very powerful DoT- and all for 72 ulti. When you have all your dots cooking, the pulse plus sweeps is massive pressure.

My Magplar’s Crescent Sweep is consistently out damaging my Automaton Stamplar’s Dawnbreaker.

Brutusmax1mus · November 2018

CyrusArya wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

any one using crescent sweep?
Thoughts?

Tricky ability to use, but incredible when it connects. Huge burst damage, but also a very powerful DoT- and all for 72 ulti. When you have all your dots cooking, the pulse plus sweeps is massive pressure.

My Magplar’s Crescent Sweep is consistently out damaging my Automaton Stamplar’s Dawnbreaker.

My stamplars dbos is world better, you serious?

I can get this to be reliable in pve, but the same positioning with players and it misses. If it wasn't so cheap... not sure why it's performance is so different in pvp vs pve.

CyrusArya · November 2018

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

My stamplars dbos is world better, you serious?

I can get this to be reliable in pve, but the same positioning with players and it misses. If it wasn't so cheap... not sure why it's performance is so different in pvp vs pve.

Completely serious. But it evens out cus DBoS does have the stun and land much more reliably, while costing twice as much.

What are you running on your magplar?

Datolite · November 2018

Crescent sweep should knock back in a ring. Would be so badass.

Or at least interrupt/off balance.

Syiccal · November 2018

yea I don't think il have to many issue a landing it, I currently use shooting star which requires tactics to land anyway. it's just a question of dmg, does it really hit that hard? compared to other ults

Brutusmax1mus · November 2018

CyrusArya wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

My stamplars dbos is world better, you serious?

I can get this to be reliable in pve, but the same positioning with players and it misses. If it wasn't so cheap... not sure why it's performance is so different in pvp vs pve.

Completely serious. But it evens out cus DBoS does have the stun and land much more reliably, while costing twice as much.

What are you running on your magplar?

I haven't played too much since the patch bc ps4 doesn't have the fixes for my skills yet, but bright throats/trans, bright throats / spinners, bright throats/pariah have all been pretty successful. All 5 light.

Performance is in an awful place atm. Meteor going through block, weaving, cc break...

This is from the other day, it's btb/trans/skoria/ masters ice.

https://youtu.be/LlI6HCf_eUw

CyrusArya · November 2018

Syiccal wrote: »

yea I don't think il have to many issue a landing it, I currently use shooting star which requires tactics to land anyway. it's just a question of dmg, does it really hit that hard? compared to other ults

Yeah, it does.

Used properly, that tool tip essentially reads a 20k burst followed by a 30k pulse (3 ticks @ 10k). This ulti makes magplar so much fun to play cus it gives the class a burst option, in line with dragon leap and soul harvest/tether. As much as id love a greater range, I think the short range is what balances the skill. Its a very strong ability, but requires a bit of expertise to get the most out of, cus you really have to be in your enemies face to land it. And even then it can be side stepped or forced to miss.

Now if only mag sorc could get something similar and have a nice class ulti like literally every other class.

Edit: that tooltip is with sorcery+berserker glyph on a very glassy high damage build. Most tool tips will be lower, but still quite strong.

Datolite · November 2018

God, I would give my left eye for 6 meters. You'll be lucky to hit someone in kissing distance. Broken ass skill.

Brutusmax1mus · November 2018

Datolite wrote: »

God, I would give my left eye for 6 meters. You'll be lucky to hit someone in kissing distance. Broken ass skill.

It's really bad. How has this pain point of the skil not been addressed @Checkmath @Joy_Division

Minno · November 2018

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Valdek wrote: »

Hi all. I'm really enjoying my magplar in pvp at the moment. However, I feel like they are perhaps a bit too strong and feel like they could be frustrating / upsetting other players at the moment. Thoughts?

Strong, yes. Too strong? Not even close. If bad players being upset or frustrated was a basis for balance, then stamblade should have been nerfed over a year ago and yet here we are. Coddling snowflakes that refuse to learn and grow as players ruins the game.

You must be a pretty new if you think magplar is op compared to the stuff eso has seen over the years.

OP is getting something like a 9.3 effective weapon power against a 4k crit resist/30k resist/major protection build.
Can you guess what class can get that?

Let me guess and I think I have a 50/50 chance at being right! Stamden or Stamblade! Do I get a cookie?

A half of a Sithis Double-Stuffed Cookie© for you!

Not a whole one????

Sithis doesn't like it when you don't go all in

Datolite wrote: »

Never go 1/1 monster set on magplar. Not when there are so many good 2pc to choose from.

As for protective, I would generally recommend against it unless your build specifically lacks resistances.

Vamp? Hate to say it but mist is useful as ever. I don't run it but I'm stubborn. Vamp is advantage.

CP gives me1800 easy at max CP, Frost staff gives me 1500, and one protective puts me at roughly what i would be if i ran 3 protective except I have 37-38k max mag instead of 34-35k. So more offensive push, and with armor at the second from the beginning of the mitigation calc means armor has a little extra push (units someone throws on some serious penetration.)

Joy_Division · November 2018

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Datolite wrote: »

God, I would give my left eye for 6 meters. You'll be lucky to hit someone in kissing distance. Broken ass skill.

It's really bad. How has this pain point of the skil not been addressed @Checkmath @Joy_Division

They are aware of it. Just have to wait unfortunately.

Jimmy_The_Fixer · November 2018

Crescent sweep is in a weird place, the skill would literally be stronger if it weren't AoE. Then it wouldn't whiff so much. Lets think about that for a moment, it would be a better skill if it were nerfed to be a targeted ability that only hit one person.

Ariades_swe · November 2018

Did they fix the jabs bug on pc?
Its really hard to get it off on ps4 even if I weave light attacks.

Mrsinister2 · November 2018

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Did they fix the jabs bug on pc?
Its really hard to get it off on ps4 even if I weave light attacks.

Yea it's fixed on pc

BNOC · November 2018

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Did they fix the jabs bug on pc?
Its really hard to get it off on ps4 even if I weave light attacks.

If you're getting locked up in a HA/de-sync, you're probably spamming your sweep keybind and console looks like it puts an ICD on each request regardless of it going off - Until they patch it just press it when you need to and you won't get as many issues.

I noticed it was significantly worse on the weekend, not sure what that has to do with it but still.

On the Crecent vs Dbos discussion:

DB has it in the bag, Crescent is nice and all but it's less reliable than dawny.
I find that with stam toons rolling about like chinese gymnasts it can be hard for me to land a CC - Dawny takes care of that and let's me catch my burst on everyone.
Also, AOE stun = big points.

Datolite wrote: »

Vamp? Hate to say it but mist is useful as ever. I don't run it but I'm stubborn. Vamp is advantage.

I might be too stubborn as well as I'm still using forward momentum but Mists is only made use of in Cyro imo.

In BG's it's not not worth it, but I find it a bit cheese to use honestly and I can't help but have a little lol at people who do - Each to their own there though. If you do use it in BG's you'll never die.

Datolite · November 2018

BNOC wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Did they fix the jabs bug on pc?
Its really hard to get it off on ps4 even if I weave light attacks.

If you're getting locked up in a HA/de-sync, you're probably spamming your sweep keybind and console looks like it puts an ICD on each request regardless of it going off - Until they patch it just press it when you need to and you won't get as many issues.

I noticed it was significantly worse on the weekend, not sure what that has to do with it but still.

On the Crecent vs Dbos discussion:

DB has it in the bag, Crescent is nice and all but it's less reliable than dawny.
I find that with stam toons rolling about like chinese gymnasts it can be hard for me to land a CC - Dawny takes care of that and let's me catch my burst on everyone.
Also, AOE stun = big points.

Datolite wrote: »

Vamp? Hate to say it but mist is useful as ever. I don't run it but I'm stubborn. Vamp is advantage.

I might be too stubborn as well as I'm still using forward momentum but Mists is only made use of in Cyro imo.

In BG's it's not not worth it, but I find it a bit cheese to use honestly and I can't help but have a little lol at people who do - Each to their own there though. If you do use it in BG's you'll never die.

Basically. It's why I've always called it a crutch skill.

Re: DBoS, I hate that a stam ulti is still preferable to anything mag based in pvp. Kind of shows how little ZOS understands about their own combat system...

danno8 · November 2018

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

any one using crescent sweep?
Thoughts?

Tricky ability to use, but incredible when it connects. Huge burst damage, but also a very powerful DoT- and all for 72 ulti. When you have all your dots cooking, the pulse plus sweeps is massive pressure.

My Magplar’s Crescent Sweep is consistently out damaging my Automaton Stamplar’s Dawnbreaker.

My stamplars dbos is world better, you serious?

I can get this to be reliable in pve, but the same positioning with players and it misses. If it wasn't so cheap... not sure why it's performance is so different in pvp vs pve.

Player movement speed is the answer to bolded.

I actually went back to Empowering since I will always get the Major Protection buff. Crescent connected with the target in front of me only around 25% of the time. Seriously, no exaggeration.

Datolite wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Did they fix the jabs bug on pc?
Its really hard to get it off on ps4 even if I weave light attacks.

If you're getting locked up in a HA/de-sync, you're probably spamming your sweep keybind and console looks like it puts an ICD on each request regardless of it going off - Until they patch it just press it when you need to and you won't get as many issues.

I noticed it was significantly worse on the weekend, not sure what that has to do with it but still.

On the Crecent vs Dbos discussion:

DB has it in the bag, Crescent is nice and all but it's less reliable than dawny.
I find that with stam toons rolling about like chinese gymnasts it can be hard for me to land a CC - Dawny takes care of that and let's me catch my burst on everyone.
Also, AOE stun = big points.

Datolite wrote: »

Vamp? Hate to say it but mist is useful as ever. I don't run it but I'm stubborn. Vamp is advantage.

I might be too stubborn as well as I'm still using forward momentum but Mists is only made use of in Cyro imo.

In BG's it's not not worth it, but I find it a bit cheese to use honestly and I can't help but have a little lol at people who do - Each to their own there though. If you do use it in BG's you'll never die.

Basically. It's why I've always called it a crutch skill.

Re: DBoS, I hate that a stam ulti is still preferable to anything mag based in pvp. Kind of shows how little ZOS understands about their own combat system...

If you work out the total area of a triangular "Cone" (right angle triangle) of 6m vs 10m (Crescent vs DBoS) the total area covered by Crescent is 18m2 for CS and 50m2 for DBoS.

That's why DBoS hits so much more reliably.

Brutusmax1mus · November 2018

danno8 wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

any one using crescent sweep?
Thoughts?

Tricky ability to use, but incredible when it connects. Huge burst damage, but also a very powerful DoT- and all for 72 ulti. When you have all your dots cooking, the pulse plus sweeps is massive pressure.

My Magplar’s Crescent Sweep is consistently out damaging my Automaton Stamplar’s Dawnbreaker.

My stamplars dbos is world better, you serious?

I can get this to be reliable in pve, but the same positioning with players and it misses. If it wasn't so cheap... not sure why it's performance is so different in pvp vs pve.

Player movement speed is the answer to bolded.

I actually went back to Empowering since I will always get the Major Protection buff. Crescent connected with the target in front of me only around 25% of the time. Seriously, no exaggeration.

Datolite wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Did they fix the jabs bug on pc?
Its really hard to get it off on ps4 even if I weave light attacks.

If you're getting locked up in a HA/de-sync, you're probably spamming your sweep keybind and console looks like it puts an ICD on each request regardless of it going off - Until they patch it just press it when you need to and you won't get as many issues.

I noticed it was significantly worse on the weekend, not sure what that has to do with it but still.

On the Crecent vs Dbos discussion:

DB has it in the bag, Crescent is nice and all but it's less reliable than dawny.
I find that with stam toons rolling about like chinese gymnasts it can be hard for me to land a CC - Dawny takes care of that and let's me catch my burst on everyone.
Also, AOE stun = big points.

Datolite wrote: »

Vamp? Hate to say it but mist is useful as ever. I don't run it but I'm stubborn. Vamp is advantage.

I might be too stubborn as well as I'm still using forward momentum but Mists is only made use of in Cyro imo.

In BG's it's not not worth it, but I find it a bit cheese to use honestly and I can't help but have a little lol at people who do - Each to their own there though. If you do use it in BG's you'll never die.

Basically. It's why I've always called it a crutch skill.

Re: DBoS, I hate that a stam ulti is still preferable to anything mag based in pvp. Kind of shows how little ZOS understands about their own combat system...

If you work out the total area of a triangular "Cone" (right angle triangle) of 6m vs 10m (Crescent vs DBoS) the total area covered by Crescent is 18m2 for CS and 50m2 for DBoS.

That's why DBoS hits so much more reliably.

Isn't cresent 360? Pretty sure i was hiting dummies behind me when i tested

CatchMeTrolling · November 2018

Always back barred empowering, it's what I've been doing on my TEMPLARS (stam & mag) ever since I stopped running vamp. Never had any issues landing it to be honest. Till this day I believe you should run an offense and defense ult. Would've preferred if it stayed magic though.

On another note right now Templar feels so clunky, thought it was just me but I hopped on my magblade which requires a bit more effort and everything felt smooth. Maybe the patch will help out because right now the class doesn't feel right. Especially combined with all the other issues like broken ccs, invisible roots and skills, delayed abilities etc.

danno8 · November 2018

Datolite wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Did they fix the jabs bug on pc?
Its really hard to get it off on ps4 even if I weave light attacks.

If you're getting locked up in a HA/de-sync, you're probably spamming your sweep keybind and console looks like it puts an ICD on each request regardless of it going off - Until they patch it just press it when you need to and you won't get as many issues.

I noticed it was significantly worse on the weekend, not sure what that has to do with it but still.

On the Crecent vs Dbos discussion:

DB has it in the bag, Crescent is nice and all but it's less reliable than dawny.
I find that with stam toons rolling about like chinese gymnasts it can be hard for me to land a CC - Dawny takes care of that and let's me catch my burst on everyone.
Also, AOE stun = big points.

Datolite wrote: »

Vamp? Hate to say it but mist is useful as ever. I don't run it but I'm stubborn. Vamp is advantage.

I might be too stubborn as well as I'm still using forward momentum but Mists is only made use of in Cyro imo.

In BG's it's not not worth it, but I find it a bit cheese to use honestly and I can't help but have a little lol at people who do - Each to their own there though. If you do use it in BG's you'll never die.

Basically. It's why I've always called it a crutch skill.

Re: DBoS, I hate that a stam ulti is still preferable to anything mag based in pvp. Kind of shows how little ZOS understands about their own combat system...

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

any one using crescent sweep?
Thoughts?

Tricky ability to use, but incredible when it connects. Huge burst damage, but also a very powerful DoT- and all for 72 ulti. When you have all your dots cooking, the pulse plus sweeps is massive pressure.

My Magplar’s Crescent Sweep is consistently out damaging my Automaton Stamplar’s Dawnbreaker.

My stamplars dbos is world better, you serious?

I can get this to be reliable in pve, but the same positioning with players and it misses. If it wasn't so cheap... not sure why it's performance is so different in pvp vs pve.

Player movement speed is the answer to bolded.

I actually went back to Empowering since I will always get the Major Protection buff. Crescent connected with the target in front of me only around 25% of the time. Seriously, no exaggeration.

Datolite wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Did they fix the jabs bug on pc?
Its really hard to get it off on ps4 even if I weave light attacks.

If you're getting locked up in a HA/de-sync, you're probably spamming your sweep keybind and console looks like it puts an ICD on each request regardless of it going off - Until they patch it just press it when you need to and you won't get as many issues.

I noticed it was significantly worse on the weekend, not sure what that has to do with it but still.

On the Crecent vs Dbos discussion:

DB has it in the bag, Crescent is nice and all but it's less reliable than dawny.
I find that with stam toons rolling about like chinese gymnasts it can be hard for me to land a CC - Dawny takes care of that and let's me catch my burst on everyone.
Also, AOE stun = big points.

Datolite wrote: »

Vamp? Hate to say it but mist is useful as ever. I don't run it but I'm stubborn. Vamp is advantage.

I might be too stubborn as well as I'm still using forward momentum but Mists is only made use of in Cyro imo.

In BG's it's not not worth it, but I find it a bit cheese to use honestly and I can't help but have a little lol at people who do - Each to their own there though. If you do use it in BG's you'll never die.

Basically. It's why I've always called it a crutch skill.

Re: DBoS, I hate that a stam ulti is still preferable to anything mag based in pvp. Kind of shows how little ZOS understands about their own combat system...

If you work out the total area of a triangular "Cone" (right angle triangle) of 6m vs 10m (Crescent vs DBoS) the total area covered by Crescent is 18m2 for CS and 50m2 for DBoS.

That's why DBoS hits so much more reliably.

Isn't cresent 360? Pretty sure i was hiting dummies behind me when i tested

Yes, I was referring to the bonus 60% damage for hitting targets in front of you. It looks like a cone if you watch the animation so I assume the affected area is approximately what it appears to be according to that.

danno8 · November 2018

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Always back barred empowering, it's what I've been doing on my TEMPLARS (stam & mag) ever since I stopped running vamp. Never had any issues landing it to be honest. Till this day I believe you should run an offense and defense ult. Would've preferred if it stayed magic though.

On another note right now Templar feels so clunky, thought it was just me but I hopped on my magblade which requires a bit more effort and everything felt smooth. Maybe the patch will help out because right now the class doesn't feel right. Especially combined with all the other issues like broken ccs, invisible roots and skills, delayed abilities etc.

If there is no lag, Templar feels fine to me. But as soon as significant server strain starts (primetime essentially) it becomes very difficult to play well.

Sweeps - > won't land

Flare - > too many server side checks. One at start of skill, another at end of skill, and another while the skill is in the air (Flare can be outrun while the projectile is still travelling)

Blazing -> Same problem as Flare, although it has no cast time, but makes more problems with the delay to land

Instant single target is the way to go in lag. Only 1 check if in range ->damage occurs.

CatchMeTrolling · November 2018

danno8 wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Always back barred empowering, it's what I've been doing on my TEMPLARS (stam & mag) ever since I stopped running vamp. Never had any issues landing it to be honest. Till this day I believe you should run an offense and defense ult. Would've preferred if it stayed magic though.

On another note right now Templar feels so clunky, thought it was just me but I hopped on my magblade which requires a bit more effort and everything felt smooth. Maybe the patch will help out because right now the class doesn't feel right. Especially combined with all the other issues like broken ccs, invisible roots and skills, delayed abilities etc.

If there is no lag, Templar feels fine to me. But as soon as significant server strain starts (primetime essentially) it becomes very difficult to play well.

Sweeps - > won't land

Flare - > too many server side checks. One at start of skill, another at end of skill, and another while the skill is in the air (Flare can be outrun while the projectile is still travelling)

Blazing -> Same problem as Flare, although it has no cast time, but makes more problems with the delay to land

Instant single target is the way to go in lag. Only 1 check if in range ->damage occurs.

In this case its not lag, its sweeps not going off because of the delay. Magplar feels a little better than stamplar though because speed and timing is more noticeable on stamplar, at least to me. Sweeps/jabs is my main damage skill so when they don't work properly I'm screwed.