Magplar PvP

Syiccal

Solariken wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Nirnroot420 wrote: »

Total Dark, while more useful than other classes' skill in dealing with the enchant lolz meta, is not a hard counter. It only ticks once per second, and the fact that up to four enchants from a single player can be hitting you at once means you're getting overwhelmed regardless of total dark and our purges.

Magplars are the best equipped to deal with this but when there's 2+ running the double DW enchant meta at once we're getting absolutely deleted along with everyone else.

It's simply absolutely broken.

It doesn't hit per second. It hits per direct DMG while the bubble is up on your target. So if you time it right, one rending slash will put your target ina serious defensive position while you block some enchants.

I remember it's actually once per 750ms. So a single instance of damage can only proc it once, even if it's a Force Pulse with enchant - technically 4 dmg sources but only one TD proc.

I'm not so sure that is accurate, if I jab while total darked each jab procs dmg from total dark that is on me

Joy_Division

CyrusArya wrote: »

Is argonian decidedly BiS for magplar? Or is there room for Breton in the conversation?

The thing I don't like about Bretons is that their featured racial passive is useless against half three-quarters of the opponents that are threatening

Minno

Solariken wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Nirnroot420 wrote: »

Total Dark, while more useful than other classes' skill in dealing with the enchant lolz meta, is not a hard counter. It only ticks once per second, and the fact that up to four enchants from a single player can be hitting you at once means you're getting overwhelmed regardless of total dark and our purges.

Magplars are the best equipped to deal with this but when there's 2+ running the double DW enchant meta at once we're getting absolutely deleted along with everyone else.

It's simply absolutely broken.

It doesn't hit per second. It hits per direct DMG while the bubble is up on your target. So if you time it right, one rending slash will put your target ina serious defensive position while you block some enchants.

I remember it's actually once per 750ms. So a single instance of damage can only proc it once, even if it's a Force Pulse with enchant - technically 4 dmg sources but only one TD proc.

If that's the case, then that's a bug

Edit:
Also, I always thought force pulse was technically one direct attack but hit with3 DMG portions.

Minno

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

What are yall gonna run for glyphs? Im gonna go shielding for sure on one. If i run rending slashes I'll probably use restore stam and increase power too. You give up strong, range capable light attack weaves but you gain the dmg portion of the restore stamina glyph (the stam restore portion just pays for the skills usage).

I run a mix of poisons on my front bar and SD enchant on infused backbar.

I can go througha stack of poisons in a hour play time with force pulse/blockade of frost. Been using minor defile/minor mending poisons lately since skoria procs quickly anyway.

Im gonna try a hardening glyph with reach to proc it, is it a 5 or 10 second cooldown?

I believe anything not a damage based enchant is 10s cooldown.

That's what i thought, but one honestly never tried it. Was hoping it was just 5.

Infused will drop it to 5

Syiccal

if you only had room for one which one do you choose for your finisher. (pvp)
purifying light or
Jesus beam

technohic

Syiccal wrote: »

if you only had room for one which one do you choose for your finisher. (pvp)
purifying light or
Jesus beam

PL

Stibbons

Syiccal wrote: »

if you only had room for one which one do you choose for your finisher. (pvp)
purifying light or
Jesus beam

Both. So much dodge rollers.

Datolite

Syiccal wrote: »

if you only had room for one which one do you choose for your finisher. (pvp)
purifying light or
Jesus beam

Jesus beam from distance. PL melee. But I prefer to have both. JB is clutch when those pesky dodgers try to get away.

Syiccal

yea I mean my current front bar is
jabs, reflective light , purifying light, clench, inner light (previous), j beam (now)

Brutusmax1mus

Syiccal wrote: »

yea I mean my current front bar is
jabs, reflective light , purifying light, clench, inner light (previous), j beam (now)

Inner lights a wasted slot if you run reflective light, good move replacing it.

TheDoomsdayMonster

Syiccal wrote: »

if you only had room for one which one do you choose for your finisher. (pvp)
purifying light or
Jesus beam

Purifying Light all day long...

Solariken

Syiccal wrote: »

if you only had room for one which one do you choose for your finisher. (pvp)
purifying light or
Jesus beam

Both for sure. If you run a master destro and Skoria you really only need PL, Clench, and beam.

Edit: and sweeps for blocktards.

DeadlyRecluse

CyrusArya wrote: »

Is argonian decidedly BiS for magplar? Or is there room for Breton in the conversation?

I run a breton, but Argonian is significantly better. Spell resist is marginal, and the cost reduction doesn't really compare to the potion sustain passive (either for pure sustain or flexibility in potion options).

Syiccal wrote: »

if you only had room for one which one do you choose for your finisher. (pvp)
purifying light or
Jesus beam

Purifying Light, unless you are running a damage combo that you don't want telegraphed (i.e. dark flare into javelin on a max damage build).

...and even there, Purifying Light is probably stronger against anyone who will survive the initial burst combo.

Kartalin

Templars already get a spell resist passive so Breton doubles down on it. It does make Breton Templars stronger against magicka classes albeit in a stam heavy meta.

DeadlyRecluse

Kartalin wrote: »

Templars already get a spell resist passive so Breton doubles down on it. It does make Breton Templars stronger against magicka classes albeit in a stam heavy meta.

Honestly, I'd bet the max HP from argonian is more effective against magicka classes (in terms of increasing your defensive capability) than the spell resist from Breton. My napkinmath works out that way, anyway.

CyrusArya

So I went Breton. Argonian is definitely more survivable and forgiving, but for pure dps and the playstyle I enjoy I think Breton might be better. My logic is that you can compensate for sustain and survivability with gameplay, but damage is absolute and sets a ceiling for how much of a presence you can have in any given fight. Over time ESO’s character building and theorycrafting has gotten much more complex and deep, and with things like jewelry traits and the plethora of item sets available, there is a lot of room to refine builds.

My MO right now is essentially to stack Max Magicka then run protective jewlery to build some defense back in. With the Breton spell resist this is actually quite effective, as you can leverage that extra spell resist to build for more physical mitigation. So far it’s working out great and Magplar seems very strong in all contexts of PvP.

TheDoomsdayMonster

I run Breton as well...

Argonian sustain is nice, but I'm with @CyrusArya as I love the Breton Spell Resist (and I'll extra love it after Murkmire goes live on console as higher resists means stronger shields)...

Checkmath

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

I run Breton as well...

Argonian sustain is nice, but I'm with @CyrusArya as I love the Breton Spell Resist (and I'll extra love it after Murkmire goes live on console as higher resists means stronger shields)...

I just do not like lizards and from the beginning I chose my magplar to be a DC loyal....no adventurer pack -> breton.

Brutusmax1mus

Be a tall, bald high elf. Be somebody.
Argonian op

katorga

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Be a tall, bald high elf. Be somebody.
Argonian op

I'm a Dark Elf because way back at release, I thought "blazing" in skill names meant fire damage. Made the character, leveled up, looked at the tool tips...dammit!

With no CP BG's, I look for races that pack the most "CP" in their passives: Argonian, ORc, Dark Elf, Nord, in that order.

Datolite

katorga wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Be a tall, bald high elf. Be somebody.
Argonian op

I'm a Dark Elf because way back at release, I thought "blazing" in skill names meant fire damage. Made the character, leveled up, looked at the tool tips...dammit!

With no CP BG's, I look for races that pack the most "CP" in their passives: Argonian, ORc, Dark Elf, Nord, in that order.

I feel your pain. I made an Imperial templar (back at launch when having access to the race was special), thinking that Red Diamond passive would be great for healing. It's arguably the most useless passive in PvP...

So I just pretend it's like paying on hard mode.

Checkmath

katorga wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Be a tall, bald high elf. Be somebody.
Argonian op

I'm a Dark Elf because way back at release, I thought "blazing" in skill names meant fire damage. Made the character, leveled up, looked at the tool tips...dammit!

With no CP BG's, I look for races that pack the most "CP" in their passives: Argonian, ORc, Dark Elf, Nord, in that order.

lol at least you picked the optimal class for PvE dps :P

Brutusmax1mus

katorga wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Be a tall, bald high elf. Be somebody.
Argonian op

I'm a Dark Elf because way back at release, I thought "blazing" in skill names meant fire damage. Made the character, leveled up, looked at the tool tips...dammit!

With no CP BG's, I look for races that pack the most "CP" in their passives: Argonian, ORc, Dark Elf, Nord, in that order.

Ok, but you're not a high elf, which are superior in every way, especially how they /cheer and / dance

katorga

Datolite wrote: »

katorga wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Be a tall, bald high elf. Be somebody.
Argonian op

I'm a Dark Elf because way back at release, I thought "blazing" in skill names meant fire damage. Made the character, leveled up, looked at the tool tips...dammit!

With no CP BG's, I look for races that pack the most "CP" in their passives: Argonian, ORc, Dark Elf, Nord, in that order.

I feel your pain. I made an Imperial templar (back at launch when having access to the race was special), thinking that Red Diamond passive would be great for healing. It's arguably the most useless passive in PvP...

So I just pretend it's like paying on hard mode.

Back then, with diminishing returns on stats, Imperial wasn't that shabby, allowing you easier time approaching the cap on each pool. DE isn't too bad, I'm still playing it even though I have plenty of crowns for a race change. If changing today, I'd go Nord or Argonian because of the loss of minor protection/vitality, and because both are good if you want to swap between magicka and stamina without a race change.

mojomood

New to Magplar PvP but interested in trying it out. I have an Argonian Magplar PvE healer.

For PvP:
1. Is Vamp a must for magplar as a damage dealer?
2. Is solo PvP on magplar viable this patch?
3. What is a good build to learn the class (prefer not overwhelming or other procs)?
4. What is a standard combo against a decent player (not something that only works on noobs as anything kills noobs)?
5. What is the hardest part about magplar and how do you overcome it (mobility, execute, sustain, stam sustain, etc)?

My current thoughts on these from outside looking in:
1. No
2. Very hard (cause I rarely see people do it)
3. Blood Spawn, Shackle, Bright-Throat SnB/Fire staff, but no idea on skills or armor weight
4. ???
5. ???

Thanks!

casparian

mojomood wrote: »

New to Magplar PvP but interested in trying it out. I have an Argonian Magplar PvE healer.

For PvP:
1. Is Vamp a must for magplar as a damage dealer?
2. Is solo PvP on magplar viable this patch?
3. What is a good build to learn the class (prefer not overwhelming or other procs)?
4. What is a standard combo against a decent player (not something that only works on noobs as anything kills noobs)?
5. What is the hardest part about magplar and how do you overcome it (mobility, execute, sustain, stam sustain, etc)?

My current thoughts on these from outside looking in:
1. No
2. Very hard (cause I rarely see people do it)
3. Blood Spawn, Shackle, Bright-Throat SnB/Fire staff, but no idea on skills or armor weight
4. ???
5. ???

Thanks!

1. I would say it's not necessary but it's definitely a lot easier as a vamp these days after the mobility nerfs.
2. Magplar is in a pretty good spot for solo play these days (at least in comparison to previous patches), but solo play is a lot harder now in general than it used to be.
3. That build in light armor with a couple Protective rings is not bad at all for a starter set, though you might feel you struggle a bit with damage. You'll have to nail your damage combos. My recommendation for a beginner to magplar would be Bright Throat and heavy Axiom/Julianos with Skoria or Malubeth (ideally try out both to see what works best for your playstyle).
4. Total Dark + Sweeps + Skoria proc while Bat Swarm is going is the old classic that still performs very well. Other good options include Meteor > Vamp Drain > block cancel > Sweeps, Total Dark + Soul Assault, and Toppling Charge > Crescent Sweep just as Purifying Light is about to go off.
5. Getting off the defensive -- i.e., making the transition from block-casting Honor the Dead actually putting the enemy back on their heels.

VirtualElizabeth

Checkmath wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

I run Breton as well...

Argonian sustain is nice, but I'm with @CyrusArya as I love the Breton Spell Resist (and I'll extra love it after Murkmire goes live on console as higher resists means stronger shields)...

I just do not like lizards and from the beginning I chose my magplar to be a DC loyal....no adventurer pack -> breton.

Breton all the way!!!

Mrsinister2

My magplar started out as a Breton then I changed to high elf and recently I swapped to argonian.

Out of all 3 I can tell you argonian is significantly better from a pvp standpoint. No Stam problems, tankier and easy to stack damage since sustain isn't an issue.

casparian

Mrsinister2 wrote: »

My magplar started out as a Breton then I changed to high elf and recently I swapped to argonian.

Out of all 3 I can tell you argonian is significantly better from a pvp standpoint. No Stam problems, tankier and easy to stack damage since sustain isn't an issue.

While I think there's still a case to be made that Argonian is best in PVP, it isn't as far head of Breton and Altmer as it has been in the past. With Bright Throat and the new stam rune, dual resource sustain is much easier for non-lizards than it used to be.

Datolite

casparian wrote: »

non-lizards

Yo that's racist