Magplar PvP

TheDoomsdayMonster

Sweet Christmas...

Just to update those of you that don't know, Dual Wield/Weapon Enchantments are currently broken to a degree that makes Sloads look like small fries...

Us Defensively build Magplars are one of the very few things in the game that can stand up to this level of unresistable damage...but only 1v1...more than that and we get overwhelmed very rapidly.


If you want to deal with this level of broken gameplay, more power to you...

But for me, it may be time to revisit some older games...atleast until this mess has been fixed.


Good luck to you all...

Minno

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Sweet Christmas...

Just to update those of you that don't know, Dual Wield/Weapon Enchantments are currently broken to a degree that makes Sloads look like small fries...

Us Defensively build Magplars are one of the very few things in the game that can stand up to this level of unresistable damage...but only 1v1...more than that and we get overwhelmed very rapidly.


If you want to deal with this level of broken gameplay, more power to you...

But for me, it may be time to revisit some older games...atleast until this mess has been fixed.


Good luck to you all...

You know things are bad when Doom stops playing his templar lol

Rhaegar75

I agree with Doom: I tried my very old StamBlade and the DW enchantment cheese is just ridiculous.

On the bright side magplars seem the best of the non cheese builds. I’ll be playing football manager more whilst I wait for ZOS to figure things out.

Still proud of my magplar!!!

Kartalin

Well, Red Dead 2 is coming out soon, so I figured I'd be missing some time because of it anyways...

Syiccal

total dark will be your best friend if the enchant change stays

Minno

Syiccal wrote: »

total dark will be your best friend if the enchant change stays

That assumes enchants proc off it. Can we test this? Someone want to volunteer?

I know rending slashes has 3 direct dmg components before starting it's dot so in an ideal scenario it will proc total dark 3 times in one hit lol.

katorga

Syiccal wrote: »

total dark will be your best friend if the enchant change stays

Haha. You might be right. It would be ironic, and typical ZOS, if the end result is Total Dark getting nerfed.

Syiccal

Minno wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

total dark will be your best friend if the enchant change stays

That assumes enchants proc off it. Can we test this? Someone want to volunteer?

I know rending slashes has 3 direct dmg components before starting it's dot so in an ideal scenario it will proc total dark 3 times in one hit lol.

enchants are direct dmg

Minno

Syiccal wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

total dark will be your best friend if the enchant change stays

That assumes enchants proc off it. Can we test this? Someone want to volunteer?

I know rending slashes has 3 direct dmg components before starting it's dot so in an ideal scenario it will proc total dark 3 times in one hit lol.

enchants are direct dmg

you never know with zos sometimes. Like jabs snare is dodgeable even though the rule states it should be undodgeable. So they created an exception instead lol.

Same thing could be for total dark; never saw if it proc'd off enchants at all.

Checkmath

Minno wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

total dark will be your best friend if the enchant change stays

That assumes enchants proc off it. Can we test this? Someone want to volunteer?

I know rending slashes has 3 direct dmg components before starting it's dot so in an ideal scenario it will proc total dark 3 times in one hit lol.

Total dark can only deal damage once per second, right? So the initial damage of rending will proc it once, but the additional damage parts and glyphs will not. The next guaranteed proc would be with the first bleed tick, when the enchants proc again.

Volckodav

I go test total dark straight away this evening, super good idea!

anyway in each BG that I played yesterday I was surrounded by rending slashes, so funny to see everyone trying to DW you....now even more than before you really need to keep distance/push away every stam.

btw, maybe it's time to catch up on all the missing PvE content in ESO

Kartalin

Yeah, spent yesterday evening playing through a few quests in Murkmire instead of pvping. Might continue to do that, it’s enjoyable enough and a good change of pace.

Minno

Checkmath wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

total dark will be your best friend if the enchant change stays

That assumes enchants proc off it. Can we test this? Someone want to volunteer?

I know rending slashes has 3 direct dmg components before starting it's dot so in an ideal scenario it will proc total dark 3 times in one hit lol.

Total dark can only deal damage once per second, right? So the initial damage of rending will proc it once, but the additional damage parts and glyphs will not. The next guaranteed proc would be with the first bleed tick, when the enchants proc again.

It deal's damage/healing each time direct dmg is used.

eol

Can't they just Break Free and gain CC immunity if you use Total Dark? Which is why you don't see it used much. It would wreck inexperienced players though.

Bosov

If someone puts that ugly bubble on me i am breaking out! I dont actually knows what it does but its U G L Y so break asap

Minno

eol wrote: »

Can't they just Break Free and gain CC immunity if you use Total Dark? Which is why you don't see it used much. It would wreck inexperienced players though.

you have to time it during a combo and use the time to reset your health bar/go on the attack.

If TD applies on a target using LA+rending slashes+LA, youll catch them with 5 ticks of total dark (rending has 3 direct dmg parts, the snare+inital hit+first "dot" tick). 10k tooltip = 5k after battlespirit. 5k x5 = 25k health :P

Brutusmax1mus

Templars are by far the most equipped class to deal with this cheese. Too bad this is how they wanted it to work. Gonna take a lot of rage and at least 3 mobths to change it

NupidStoob

I did quite many bgs today and ran into quite many people with DW. It's similar to before patch tbh, if they are better than me then they wreck me and if not I wreck them. DW enchants are just more pressure you have to be aware of and sometimes even have to cleanse twice to get rid of all of it. It was only really bad when people piled up on me or for the few snowflakes that ran prismatic + oblivion.

Even seen some magDKs with it which made me wonder if anyone tried it on magPlar yet? Would at least be an excuse to use DW again.

Checkmath wrote: »

For those considering using crescent sweep, I recommend using it like stamplars used it before:
Puryfying light, then two times jabs, shock clench into the crescent sweep. It is a very bursty combo and works very well in close combat. Crowdy places are a really good spot to try it out. Blazing spear also is quite a viable option with the increased damage, chance to proc burning light and also provides minor protection. Surely I recommend using it again in crowded places for area denial and covering the crowded place with your aoe. Also throwing it into enemy masses does quite some damage even as spammable.

Used it pretty much all day and I think people really didn't expect that kind of burst from magPlar. It can easily delete someone while they try to dot you up. With bloodspawn and vamp bane it's pretty much up all the time.

Datolite

Just checking in after testing new build. 5/1/1 light Throat/Shackle/Bloodspawn with full tristat/impen, spell damage/swift. I've never had such a well balanced, non cheese build. Stats are insane. I think I'm in love.

NBrookus

Kartalin wrote: »

Yeah, spent yesterday evening playing through a few quests in Murkmire instead of pvping. Might continue to do that, it’s enjoyable enough and a good change of pace.

I enjoyed Murkmire, a lot. Best main questline since Orsinium, IMO.

MaxJrFTW

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Meh...

Drop Rune/Channeled Focus...

Equip Mighty Chudan x2...

Replace Rune/Channeled Focus with Rapid Regen and make sure your Spell Crit is over 50% (makes your HoT's God-like)...

Given what the current Meta is bringing to the table, stacking HoT's (Ritual should be your other HoT) is golden and essential...


You can thank me later...

The rune gives 480 regen + 7k resistance. Why would anyobe in their right mind drop it?

cazlonb16_ESO

Datolite wrote: »

Just checking in after testing new build. 5/1/1 light Throat/Shackle/Bloodspawn with full tristat/impen, spell damage/swift. I've never had such a well balanced, non cheese build. Stats are insane. I think I'm in love.

Did you somehow manage to aquire a set of Bright Throat jewelry already or do you use Shackle for those slots ? Crafted and upgraded jewelry is still prohibitively expensive on PC-EU.

Jeremy

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Synozeer wrote: »

I'm not sure if it's just me, but it seems like most Magplars here are using a combination of speed pots and swift. I really haven't felt the need to use either of those since I 1) use a gap closer so I have no issues being able to reach/attack my opponent and 2) use mistform which gives me rapids and escape. I also don't have a problem hitting with my sweeps unless it's laggy (and I've heard some people say it's harder to land sweep the faster you move).

Is anyone using both Mistform and a gap closer AND using speed/swift? If so, I'm curious on your reasoning.

I use Swift x3, Toppling Charge, and Elusive Mist...

Swift because it's effects stack with Elusive Mist (which gives phenomenal survivability)...

Toppling Charge because (sadly) it's the best stun I have since Vamp Drain has been gutted and I don't use Destro Staff...

And Toppling does have synergy with Sweeps...

in 5 more days I"ll finally be able to try out your x3 swift + mist form.. Looking forward to it also because it sounds quite good.

What do you mean vamp drain has been gutted ? Did they nerf the stun effect on it? Because if they did that would really hurt my pvp build. I despise Magicka Templar in PvP (I think they suck) and primarily use vampire abilities. Though supposedly they are getting buffs next patch (which they desperately need) so maybe they won't be so bad then.

Vamp Drain has been directly tampered with twice and indirectly depowered due to the current state of the game:

1) Drains stun no longer goes through block (although it's damage still does); once upon a time this was not the case...

2) Drain is now dodgeable; it used to be undodgeable...

3) Because of the current Speed Meta, it can sometimes be very difficult to land as you seemingly must have a direct alignment with your target for 1 to 1 1/2 seconds to get the Drain to 'latch on'...

If a target is constantly moving, its nearly impossible to land as a result (especially in close quarters combat)...

When you combine all of the above factors, its very difficult to justify slotting...


Invigorating Drain is unslottable (IMHO) as you can't reliably land it on mobile targets (which are growing in number) and this has reduced it to an ability that has no passive benefit, does little damage, and can't be tethered to a non-NPC for the full 3 second channel to get the full Ultimate Regen this Morph offers (unless it glitches like a Nightblades Fear will sometimes do)...

Accelerating Drain is more viable (but barely so) because you get the 20 seconds of Minor Expedition if you immediately cancel out of it or if the ability is dodged...


I still use Accelerating on a few very specialized builds, but I will never slot Invigorating again unless it's combat effectiveness improves somehow...

I use accelerating drain when I PvP. Though it's mostly for the healing to be honest because in my opinion Templar heals suck in none-CP PvpP (which is the only PvP I do). I actually get better results by stacking health and using drain... as sad as that is. But you have to work with the tools you have I suppose.

The stun is a nice bonus though. I would hate to see that removed.

I do have trouble hitting mobile targets with it sometimes. But that seems to be the case with every ability I have. I think that has more to do with server issues to be honest.

Datolite

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

Datolite wrote: »

Just checking in after testing new build. 5/1/1 light Throat/Shackle/Bloodspawn with full tristat/impen, spell damage/swift. I've never had such a well balanced, non cheese build. Stats are insane. I think I'm in love.

Did you somehow manage to aquire a set of Bright Throat jewelry already or do you use Shackle for those slots ? Crafted and upgraded jewelry is still prohibitively expensive on PC-EU.

There wasn't much jewelry available and it still would have cost as much to buy/upgrade as crafting. I used Shackle for jewels/weapons and just bought the cheapest body pieces of Throat, transmuted a couple. Still cost half a mil for the build... will cost another 900k to gold out jewels.

Mrsinister2

Magica bone pirate it great I've paired it with spinner's using a lightening staff and my sweeps actually hit pretty hard.

Would like to try other stuff but every 3 seconds a bunch of stam Bros hitting me with rending doing 4 million damage

Ariades_swe

I'm just gonna go sloads/torugs/zaan/ dw/frost staff utilising rending slashes and oblivion enchants on my magplar just to *** off as many people possible.
If zos dont fix pvp I'm out of here.

technohic

I'm torn because I want to try all the new things but dont much care for the cheese that ESO is becoming and I'm real busy in RL so more casual play is easier with games like Spiderman and the new Assassins Creed

Rhaegar75

I tried the cheesy build on an old char and it’s just ridiculously overpowered.....and I didn’t bother getting Torug gear!!

I don’t have a problem to admit I’m a mediocre PvPer but I still managed to melt quite a few people in BGs without doing anything particularly great skill wise.
To me it’s just boring.

On the bright side my HA magTemplar could stand his ground well.
It helps that a lot of the ‘follow the cheesy meta’ guys are generally worse than me in PvP

Datolite

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

I tried the cheesy build on an old char and it’s just ridiculously overpowered.....and I didn’t bother getting Torug gear!!

I don’t have a problem to admit I’m a mediocre PvPer but I still managed to melt quite a few people in BGs without doing anything particularly great skill wise.
To me it’s just boring.

On the bright side my HA magTemplar could stand his ground well.
It helps that a lot of the ‘follow the cheesy meta’ guys are generally worse than me in PvP

I have a golded out set of Torugs from my days as tankplar in PvE. Next time someone challenges me to a duel I'll just link it to them and win by default.

But seriously it's kind of a travesty what's going on with enchant procs. Thank the divines for Extended Ritual.

Brutusmax1mus

Too bad class skills don't proc glyphs.