Magplar PvP

Ariades_swe

Mrsinister2 wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

I've followed the hype and tried out 2h on my magplar.
Been using frost staff backbar so I can have nice block and access to ED.
5/1/1 LA
2 Shadowrend
5 overwhelming/3 trans/willpower GS frontbar
5 overwhelming/5trans with frost staff backbar
3xSwift and argonian for the sustain.
Been thinking of switching out one swift for arcane so I get better max stats.

Stats
24k hp
33k Mag
15 k stam
3780 SD (buffed)
1765 mag recovery with major intellect
4300 crit resist
20700 spell resist
18200 physical resist.
Lots of passive damage with surge proc and shadowrend (with dots up around 2.2 k per second if dots dont crit agains the average non tank target)
More than enough survivability (especially in 1v1 with shadowrend proc since it's always up).
I really start to like 2h and FM.

I'm wanting to try this what trait do you use on the 2 hander and spell damage glyph or no?

I'm using nirn spelldamage but will switch enchant when I have enough crystals to change my frost staff to infused.
Gonna run poison on 2 h and spelldamage on frost staff then.

Metemsycosis

danno8 wrote: »

Metemsycosis wrote: »

Been playing with 7 heavy: 2 tk/slimecraw, martial knowledge, blessed meridia, with snb willpower. 5 sturdy/2 impen. Huge resists, surprisingly sustainable. Atro mundus and two regen glyphs. considering adding swift and race against time for extra mobility or just immovable speed pots might do the trick.

Front bar (currently 2h, I was using fm, but will probably look into destro staff): Toppling/javelin /sweeps/dark flare/radiant/ dawnbreaker.

Back bar: Purifying light/Total dark/ restoring focus/ extended ritual/breath of life/remembrance.

The tactic is to build a house with only so many degrees of access. Hitting 30k resists, with total dark and the meridia proc and natural ability to block makes for decent tankiness, while a toppling charge followed by dawnbreaker usually procs martial knowledge, empowering the dawnbreaker. Not enough mobility for openworld yet.

Any reason why Martial Knowledge?

I tend to think even the very basic Julianos would be a better set, since the 300 SD is up 100% of the time, affects all your skills including heals, and should add more damage than the 2.5% average that Martial would work out to be every 4 seconds, assuming a perfect proc rate.

It would also increase your damage against all enemies in an AoE situation, whereas Martial only affects one enemy every 4 seconds (most proc sets only proc per attack, not per enemy).

If/when I can transmute jewelry I will try that. But my dbos isn't affected by juli at all.

ETA: I'll get my hands on war maiden too, to see if I get better results. So far I am happy tho

Rianai

Juli does affect dawnbreaker (and any ult - as long your spell dmg is higher than weapon dmg).

Metemsycosis

Really? I thought only max (stat) magicka did, thanks for that

Mrsinister2

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Mrsinister2 wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

I've followed the hype and tried out 2h on my magplar.
Been using frost staff backbar so I can have nice block and access to ED.
5/1/1 LA
2 Shadowrend
5 overwhelming/3 trans/willpower GS frontbar
5 overwhelming/5trans with frost staff backbar
3xSwift and argonian for the sustain.
Been thinking of switching out one swift for arcane so I get better max stats.

Stats
24k hp
33k Mag
15 k stam
3780 SD (buffed)
1765 mag recovery with major intellect
4300 crit resist
20700 spell resist
18200 physical resist.
Lots of passive damage with surge proc and shadowrend (with dots up around 2.2 k per second if dots dont crit agains the average non tank target)
More than enough survivability (especially in 1v1 with shadowrend proc since it's always up).
I really start to like 2h and FM.

I'm wanting to try this what trait do you use on the 2 hander and spell damage glyph or no?

I'm using nirn spelldamage but will switch enchant when I have enough crystals to change my frost staff to infused.
Gonna run poison on 2 h and spelldamage on frost staff then.

What Mundus you run my stats are jsut a little below yours but it may be due to not having 2 heavy shadow and different Mundus.

Ariades_swe

Mrsinister2 wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Mrsinister2 wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

I've followed the hype and tried out 2h on my magplar.
Been using frost staff backbar so I can have nice block and access to ED.
5/1/1 LA
2 Shadowrend
5 overwhelming/3 trans/willpower GS frontbar
5 overwhelming/5trans with frost staff backbar
3xSwift and argonian for the sustain.
Been thinking of switching out one swift for arcane so I get better max stats.

Stats
24k hp
33k Mag
15 k stam
3780 SD (buffed)
1765 mag recovery with major intellect
4300 crit resist
20700 spell resist
18200 physical resist.
Lots of passive damage with surge proc and shadowrend (with dots up around 2.2 k per second if dots dont crit agains the average non tank target)
More than enough survivability (especially in 1v1 with shadowrend proc since it's always up).
I really start to like 2h and FM.

I'm wanting to try this what trait do you use on the 2 hander and spell damage glyph or no?

I'm using nirn spelldamage but will switch enchant when I have enough crystals to change my frost staff to infused.
Gonna run poison on 2 h and spelldamage on frost staff then.

What Mundus you run my stats are jsut a little below yours but it may be due to not having 2 heavy shadow and different Mundus.

I retraited my staff to infused and put spelldamage glyph there instead

Switched my mundus to apprentice and put on 1 recovery glyph instead of damage (used to be 3 damage and atronarch)

Sitting at 3870 sd and 1658 recovery buffed up which should be enough with elemental drain.

xGhost91x

What do you guys think of War Maiden+Innate Axiom in anticipation of the Crescent Sweep change?

Stibbons

Radiant destruction got nerfed. Insane cost, slow and low damage.

DeadlyRecluse

xGhost91x wrote: »

What do you guys think of War Maiden+Innate Axiom in anticipation of the Crescent Sweep change?

If you want a lot of damage on an ult that still misses 3/4 of the time, sure.

Datolite

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

xGhost91x wrote: »

What do you guys think of War Maiden+Innate Axiom in anticipation of the Crescent Sweep change?

If you want a lot of damage on an ult that still misses 3/4 of the time, sure.

This is what I don't get about ZOS. They address the issues we have, but fail to really fix them. It's like plugging a leak with peanut butter...

xGhost91x

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

xGhost91x wrote: »

What do you guys think of War Maiden+Innate Axiom in anticipation of the Crescent Sweep change?

If you want a lot of damage on an ult that still misses 3/4 of the time, sure.

The Ult's a little weird for me, yeah. Some days It'll only hit half the time, others it never misses. I was just wondering if it could be a magicka "Dawnbreaker", damage-wise.

DeadlyRecluse

xGhost91x wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

xGhost91x wrote: »

What do you guys think of War Maiden+Innate Axiom in anticipation of the Crescent Sweep change?

If you want a lot of damage on an ult that still misses 3/4 of the time, sure.

The Ult's a little weird for me, yeah. Some days It'll only hit half the time, others it never misses. I was just wondering if it could be a magicka "Dawnbreaker", damage-wise.

Damage-wise, sure. You'll probably get better numbers out of Crescent when it actually hits.

HowlKimchi

Stibbons wrote: »

Radiant destruction got nerfed. Insane cost, slow and low damage.

No, the the channel time was decreased, cost was decreased, and damage was decreased.

Learn to read man.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/438030/templar-nerfs#latest

BNOC

Kartalin wrote: »

^ That was my interpretation as well. Still better stats than the health/mag from witchmother's though so if you're good on recovery then it's a viable option.

Goodbye Clockwork Citrus Fillet

Metemsycosis wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

Metemsycosis wrote: »

Been playing with 7 heavy: 2 tk/slimecraw, martial knowledge, blessed meridia, with snb willpower. 5 sturdy/2 impen. Huge resists, surprisingly sustainable. Atro mundus and two regen glyphs. considering adding swift and race against time for extra mobility or just immovable speed pots might do the trick.

Front bar (currently 2h, I was using fm, but will probably look into destro staff): Toppling/javelin /sweeps/dark flare/radiant/ dawnbreaker.

Back bar: Purifying light/Total dark/ restoring focus/ extended ritual/breath of life/remembrance.

The tactic is to build a house with only so many degrees of access. Hitting 30k resists, with total dark and the meridia proc and natural ability to block makes for decent tankiness, while a toppling charge followed by dawnbreaker usually procs martial knowledge, empowering the dawnbreaker. Not enough mobility for openworld yet.

Any reason why Martial Knowledge?

I tend to think even the very basic Julianos would be a better set, since the 300 SD is up 100% of the time, affects all your skills including heals, and should add more damage than the 2.5% average that Martial would work out to be every 4 seconds, assuming a perfect proc rate.

It would also increase your damage against all enemies in an AoE situation, whereas Martial only affects one enemy every 4 seconds (most proc sets only proc per attack, not per enemy).

If/when I can transmute jewelry I will try that. But my dbos isn't affected by juli at all.

ETA: I'll get my hands on war maiden too, to see if I get better results. So far I am happy tho

Just seen this - I'm running Blessed Meridia in duels atm with War Maiden - More to prove a point to the healbots that stand around duelling all day and do no damage in their defensive builds, simply surviving - Of how easy what they're doing is and how boring it is.

I'm Destro, 2H; Julies is probably better than War Maiden as the Shackle I tested with blessed doesn't provide enough pressure.

Blessed Meridia only affects 1 target though yeah, so outside of trolling duels it can be kind of a waste.

tinythinker

>>> jumping in for a sec <<<

I was reading the first 3 1/2 pages of this thread on my phone, seeing some interesting suggestions, then found out the thread is at 44 pages.

Roughly how much of that very early stuff still relevant with the upcoming Murkmire changes/new sets?

DeadlyRecluse

tinythinker wrote: »

>>> jumping in for a sec <<<

I was reading the first 3 1/2 pages of this thread on my phone, seeing some interesting suggestions, then found out the thread is at 44 pages.

Roughly how much of that very early stuff still relevant with the upcoming Murkmire changes/new sets?

Discussion post-murkmire PTS patch no.1 starts on page 37.

Page 37 also shows off my dark flare screenshot, so you can't go wrong starting there!

tinythinker

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

>>> jumping in for a sec <<<

I was reading the first 3 1/2 pages of this thread on my phone, seeing some interesting suggestions, then found out the thread is at 44 pages.

Roughly how much of that very early stuff still relevant with the upcoming Murkmire changes/new sets?

Discussion post-murkmire PTS patch no.1 starts on page 37.

Page 37 also shows off my dark flare screenshot, so you can't go wrong starting there!

Thanks!

technohic

Think I still like Mist Form better than 2h momentum and speed pots. Since Im running heavy shackle with trans and skoria, I get tanky, do a lot of diving in and Im using empowering sweeps at the moment and mist just gets me out of there better. I need to work on my bad habit of being a little over eager to dive right in though. There are limits to what you can survive and I want to switch to crescent when it goes live as a burst spell as I run rememberence as a group turtle ultmate.

Ariades_swe

Someone mentioned that overwhelming surge will be affected by the evasion changes next patch.
Could someone confirm it?
I dont have access to the ptr sadly.

TheDoomsdayMonster

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Someone mentioned that overwhelming surge will be affected by the evasion changes next patch.
Could someone confirm it?
I dont have access to the ptr sadly.

It will be...

Surge is an AoE and Evasion will reduce its damage by 25%...

Ariades_swe

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Someone mentioned that overwhelming surge will be affected by the evasion changes next patch.
Could someone confirm it?
I dont have access to the ptr sadly.

It will be...

Surge is an AoE and Evasion will reduce its damage by 25%...

Thanks.
I never really saw it as an aoe since it's single target but I just tested it with lightning staff and tooltip got boosted so you're right.

NBrookus

Surge probably needs to be tested. It's an oddball proc thatdoes single target damage in an area. Fighting single players it's really strong but relatively weak fighting multiple players.

Minno

NBrookus wrote: »

Surge probably needs to be tested. It's an oddball proc thatdoes single target damage in an area. Fighting single players it's really strong but relatively weak fighting multiple players.

AOE that doesn't deal it's DMG over a timed duration, is direct DMG.

VirtualElizabeth

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

All these new recovery sets and changes to light armor/ channeled rune have me pondering a woodelf magplar w/amberplasm/shacklebreaker/willpower staff/AS SnB for defensive posture and that juicy 1800 magicka return...thoughts?

That could work. Mentioned something similar. Wood elf might be unnecessary though, all depends on your max and spell Damage. Plus penetration.

Why wood elf? Magplar wood elf was my original char at launch and I would looove to go back to that race.

CatchMeTrolling

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

All these new recovery sets and changes to light armor/ channeled rune have me pondering a woodelf magplar w/amberplasm/shacklebreaker/willpower staff/AS SnB for defensive posture and that juicy 1800 magicka return...thoughts?

That could work. Mentioned something similar. Wood elf might be unnecessary though, all depends on your max and spell Damage. Plus penetration.

Why wood elf? Magplar wood elf was my original char at launch and I would looove to go back to that race.

I’m sure he’s choosing wood elf for the synergy it adds to amber and shackle by the way of stam recovery. With that build you’ll easily have over 1k Stam Regen with high magic recovery, a good stam pool, good spell Damage but most likely lack max.

Qbiken

Minno wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Surge probably needs to be tested. It's an oddball proc thatdoes single target damage in an area. Fighting single players it's really strong but relatively weak fighting multiple players.

AOE that doesn't deal it's DMG over a timed duration, is direct DMG.

Surge procs Skoria though, so it's considered a DoT.

ccmedaddy

Pretty sure Surge gets boosted by inferno staff, not shock so wouldn't it be considered single target?

Datolite

Qbiken wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Surge probably needs to be tested. It's an oddball proc thatdoes single target damage in an area. Fighting single players it's really strong but relatively weak fighting multiple players.

AOE that doesn't deal it's DMG over a timed duration, is direct DMG.

Surge procs Skoria though, so it's considered a DoT.

It can't be both?

CatchMeTrolling

It can be both according to zos. Remember sweeps is a channel, dot and aoe.

VirtualElizabeth

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

All these new recovery sets and changes to light armor/ channeled rune have me pondering a woodelf magplar w/amberplasm/shacklebreaker/willpower staff/AS SnB for defensive posture and that juicy 1800 magicka return...thoughts?

That could work. Mentioned something similar. Wood elf might be unnecessary though, all depends on your max and spell Damage. Plus penetration.

Why wood elf? Magplar wood elf was my original char at launch and I would looove to go back to that race.

I’m sure he’s choosing wood elf for the synergy it adds to amber and shackle by the way of stam recovery. With that build you’ll easily have over 1k Stam Regen with high magic recovery, a good stam pool, good spell Damage but most likely lack max.

Hmm, same thing with Redguard maybe?