Magplar PvP

miahus

LOL@squishy Magplar. If you think magplar is squishy, try other classes. go 100 points in blessed and quick recovery, 1 breath of life and you're back to full health. Couple that with Argonian, use tripots, and you are in god mode. and that's half of cyrodiil for you.

CatchMeTrolling

miahus wrote: »

LOL@squishy Magplar. If you think magplar is squishy, try other classes. go 100 points in blessed and quick recovery, 1 breath of life and you're back to full health. Couple that with Argonian, use tripots, and you are in god mode. and that's half of cyrodiil for you.

Good heals doesn’t equate to being tanky. Every class can have that.

Lexxypwns

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

miahus wrote: »

LOL@squishy Magplar. If you think magplar is squishy, try other classes. go 100 points in blessed and quick recovery, 1 breath of life and you're back to full health. Couple that with Argonian, use tripots, and you are in god mode. and that's half of cyrodiil for you.

Good heals doesn’t equate to being tanky. Every class can have that.

Anyone that says put 100 points into anything is either trolling or dumb.

CatchMeTrolling

Lexxypwns wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

miahus wrote: »

LOL@squishy Magplar. If you think magplar is squishy, try other classes. go 100 points in blessed and quick recovery, 1 breath of life and you're back to full health. Couple that with Argonian, use tripots, and you are in god mode. and that's half of cyrodiil for you.

Good heals doesn’t equate to being tanky. Every class can have that.

Anyone that says put 100 points into anything is either trolling or dumb.

Yeah it’s completely unnecessary even as a healer

SugaComa

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

miahus wrote: »

LOL@squishy Magplar. If you think magplar is squishy, try other classes. go 100 points in blessed and quick recovery, 1 breath of life and you're back to full health. Couple that with Argonian, use tripots, and you are in god mode. and that's half of cyrodiil for you.

Good heals doesn’t equate to being tanky. Every class can have that.

Anyone that says put 100 points into anything is either trolling or dumb.

Yeah it’s completely unnecessary even as a healer

Yeah, 72 max ...lol

Lexxypwns

SugaComa wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

miahus wrote: »

LOL@squishy Magplar. If you think magplar is squishy, try other classes. go 100 points in blessed and quick recovery, 1 breath of life and you're back to full health. Couple that with Argonian, use tripots, and you are in god mode. and that's half of cyrodiil for you.

Good heals doesn’t equate to being tanky. Every class can have that.

Anyone that says put 100 points into anything is either trolling or dumb.

Yeah it’s completely unnecessary even as a healer

Yeah, 72 max ...lol

I’m not sure how you get functional damage on a Magplar with 72 into healing...

Kartalin

I have 56 into blessed, should be plenty

Minno

Kartalin wrote: »

I have 56 into blessed, should be plenty

I dare say don't even touch blessed. Quick recovery will be all you need, especially if you already got 20% into thick skin/ironclad/resistant.

Kartalin

I also heal ball groups for my guild so it helps.

TheDoomsdayMonster

I have 20 points into Blessed, but that's only because (for my tastes) there is nothing else left to put points into for the Blue Constellations...

ledesertcroit

I have to finally admit that, even with 3 swift, I’m not good enough to play a dmg oriented melee Magplar (dw, war maiden/axiom) and consistently enough land sweeps to be successful.
I’m having much more success with ranged Magplar. I run transmutation backbar, war maiden and Skoria (nirn inferno willpower staff front) and have given up on sweeps in favor of elemental weapon. War maiden boosts everything (but reach), while BSW would only proc of reach and fire LA and HA, I guess.
What do you think would be the best “elemental weapon” build?
As I only block-cast backbar with SnB (almost no LA there), am I correct in assuming that Berserker enchant has to be on my frontbar (nirn) staff? Or would I be better off putting shock or disease there?

BNOC

I swear I read somewhere (Probably years ago now so it's no doubt changed) that QR is worth more than Blessed?

There's obviously a good balance but some of these suggested CP allocations seem quite high.

Can't remember.

ledesertcroit wrote: »

I have to finally admit that, even with 3 swift, I’m not good enough to play a dmg oriented melee Magplar (dw, war maiden/axiom) and consistently enough land sweeps to be successful.
I’m having much more success with ranged Magplar. I run transmutation backbar, war maiden and Skoria (nirn inferno willpower staff front) and have given up on sweeps in favor of elemental weapon. War maiden boosts everything (but reach), while BSW would only proc of reach and fire LA and HA, I guess.
What do you think would be the best “elemental weapon” build?
As I only block-cast backbar with SnB (almost no LA there), am I correct in assuming that Berserker enchant has to be on my frontbar (nirn) staff? Or would I be better off putting shock or disease there?

Nobody can tell you what enchant should be on what bar as that's your preference.

As you're running a destro, I wouldn't use WM. I don't really know what to suggest though.

DeadlyRecluse

I only have a bunch of points in Blessed because my most critical role is group healing, and in that context it serves me better than a damage star--I'm willing to give up some damage when I'm soloing around in order to be a little more effective when other people are counting on me.

BNOC wrote: »

As you're running a destro, I wouldn't use WM. I don't really know what to suggest though.

War Maiden is absolutely fine on a destro staff build that's using a magic damage spammable. Sure, it doesn't buff light attacks, but it doesn't buff light attacks for DW or sword and board either.

Lexxypwns

BNOC wrote: »

I swear I read somewhere (Probably years ago now so it's no doubt changed) that QR is worth more than Blessed?

There's obviously a good balance but some of these suggested CP allocations seem quite high.

Can't remember.

ledesertcroit wrote: »

I have to finally admit that, even with 3 swift, I’m not good enough to play a dmg oriented melee Magplar (dw, war maiden/axiom) and consistently enough land sweeps to be successful.
I’m having much more success with ranged Magplar. I run transmutation backbar, war maiden and Skoria (nirn inferno willpower staff front) and have given up on sweeps in favor of elemental weapon. War maiden boosts everything (but reach), while BSW would only proc of reach and fire LA and HA, I guess.
What do you think would be the best “elemental weapon” build?
As I only block-cast backbar with SnB (almost no LA there), am I correct in assuming that Berserker enchant has to be on my frontbar (nirn) staff? Or would I be better off putting shock or disease there?

Nobody can tell you what enchant should be on what bar as that's your preference.

As you're running a destro, I wouldn't use WM. I don't really know what to suggest though.

If you’re using Destro I’d say Julianos is better than Maiden

BNOC

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

I only have a bunch of points in Blessed because my most critical role is group healing, and in that context it serves me better than a damage star--I'm willing to give up some damage when I'm soloing around in order to be a little more effective when other people are counting on me.

BNOC wrote: »

As you're running a destro, I wouldn't use WM. I don't really know what to suggest though.

War Maiden is absolutely fine on a destro staff build that's using a magic damage spammable. Sure, it doesn't buff light attacks, but it doesn't buff light attacks for DW or sword and board either.

Yeah it is fine to use, I use it myself. But he's talking about using Elemental Weapon, so I'm assuming light attacks are a key part of his build by the sounds of things.
If the emphasis wasn't on LA's / EW / Destro Spammable then I'd agree he could keep it as it is.

Lexxypwns wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

I swear I read somewhere (Probably years ago now so it's no doubt changed) that QR is worth more than Blessed?

There's obviously a good balance but some of these suggested CP allocations seem quite high.

Can't remember.

ledesertcroit wrote: »

I have to finally admit that, even with 3 swift, I’m not good enough to play a dmg oriented melee Magplar (dw, war maiden/axiom) and consistently enough land sweeps to be successful.
I’m having much more success with ranged Magplar. I run transmutation backbar, war maiden and Skoria (nirn inferno willpower staff front) and have given up on sweeps in favor of elemental weapon. War maiden boosts everything (but reach), while BSW would only proc of reach and fire LA and HA, I guess.
What do you think would be the best “elemental weapon” build?
As I only block-cast backbar with SnB (almost no LA there), am I correct in assuming that Berserker enchant has to be on my frontbar (nirn) staff? Or would I be better off putting shock or disease there?

Nobody can tell you what enchant should be on what bar as that's your preference.

As you're running a destro, I wouldn't use WM. I don't really know what to suggest though.

If you’re using Destro I’d say Julianos is better than Maiden

Yeah the obvious one was Julies but I couldn't think if there was anything on par/better in this situation, on the spot. I agree though, for this build, Julies is much better.

DeadlyRecluse

BNOC wrote: »

Yeah it is fine to use, I use it myself. But he's talking about using Elemental Weapon, so I'm assuming light attacks are a key part of his build by the sounds of things.
If the emphasis wasn't on LA's / EW / Destro Spammable then I'd agree he could keep it as it is.

You know, I wonder what actually gives you higher damage on a "complete" EW weave (LA+EW), julianos or war maiden. Easy enough to test I guess.

If there are empowers floating around in the build, that puts even more emphasis on the LAs, too.

Minno

BNOC wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

I only have a bunch of points in Blessed because my most critical role is group healing, and in that context it serves me better than a damage star--I'm willing to give up some damage when I'm soloing around in order to be a little more effective when other people are counting on me.

BNOC wrote: »

As you're running a destro, I wouldn't use WM. I don't really know what to suggest though.

War Maiden is absolutely fine on a destro staff build that's using a magic damage spammable. Sure, it doesn't buff light attacks, but it doesn't buff light attacks for DW or sword and board either.

Yeah it is fine to use, I use it myself. But he's talking about using Elemental Weapon, so I'm assuming light attacks are a key part of his build by the sounds of things.
If the emphasis wasn't on LA's / EW / Destro Spammable then I'd agree he could keep it as it is.

Lexxypwns wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

I swear I read somewhere (Probably years ago now so it's no doubt changed) that QR is worth more than Blessed?

There's obviously a good balance but some of these suggested CP allocations seem quite high.

Can't remember.

ledesertcroit wrote: »

I have to finally admit that, even with 3 swift, I’m not good enough to play a dmg oriented melee Magplar (dw, war maiden/axiom) and consistently enough land sweeps to be successful.
I’m having much more success with ranged Magplar. I run transmutation backbar, war maiden and Skoria (nirn inferno willpower staff front) and have given up on sweeps in favor of elemental weapon. War maiden boosts everything (but reach), while BSW would only proc of reach and fire LA and HA, I guess.
What do you think would be the best “elemental weapon” build?
As I only block-cast backbar with SnB (almost no LA there), am I correct in assuming that Berserker enchant has to be on my frontbar (nirn) staff? Or would I be better off putting shock or disease there?

Nobody can tell you what enchant should be on what bar as that's your preference.

As you're running a destro, I wouldn't use WM. I don't really know what to suggest though.

If you’re using Destro I’d say Julianos is better than Maiden

Yeah the obvious one was Julies but I couldn't think if there was anything on par/better in this situation, on the spot. I agree though, for this build, Julies is much better.

Depending on what mode you are in, those extra crit chance with nicely to boost your healing. And if you have an 80% modifier, everyone but impreg builds will still feel a 1.30-40 modifier. But you get no Regen stats as the trade-off.

VirtualElizabeth

Lexxypwns wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

I swear I read somewhere (Probably years ago now so it's no doubt changed) that QR is worth more than Blessed?

There's obviously a good balance but some of these suggested CP allocations seem quite high.

Can't remember.

ledesertcroit wrote: »

I have to finally admit that, even with 3 swift, I’m not good enough to play a dmg oriented melee Magplar (dw, war maiden/axiom) and consistently enough land sweeps to be successful.
I’m having much more success with ranged Magplar. I run transmutation backbar, war maiden and Skoria (nirn inferno willpower staff front) and have given up on sweeps in favor of elemental weapon. War maiden boosts everything (but reach), while BSW would only proc of reach and fire LA and HA, I guess.
What do you think would be the best “elemental weapon” build?
As I only block-cast backbar with SnB (almost no LA there), am I correct in assuming that Berserker enchant has to be on my frontbar (nirn) staff? Or would I be better off putting shock or disease there?

Nobody can tell you what enchant should be on what bar as that's your preference.

As you're running a destro, I wouldn't use WM. I don't really know what to suggest though.

If you’re using Destro I’d say Julianos is better than Maiden

Ah my ever evolving Templar build! @Lexxypwns So I am finding I love light attacks so I have moved points from Blessed to compensate for that. Right now I am running heavy shackle and the OS as the damage set. With Destro/light attack heavy would Julianos be a better choice over Overwhelming?

ccmedaddy

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

Yeah it is fine to use, I use it myself. But he's talking about using Elemental Weapon, so I'm assuming light attacks are a key part of his build by the sounds of things.
If the emphasis wasn't on LA's / EW / Destro Spammable then I'd agree he could keep it as it is.

You know, I wonder what actually gives you higher damage on a "complete" EW weave (LA+EW), julianos or war maiden. Easy enough to test I guess.

If there are empowers floating around in the build, that puts even more emphasis on the LAs, too.

Julianos buffs both LA and EW, War Maiden buffs neither (if we're just looking at the 5pc bonus). Seems fairly straightforward.

Datolite

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

I swear I read somewhere (Probably years ago now so it's no doubt changed) that QR is worth more than Blessed?

There's obviously a good balance but some of these suggested CP allocations seem quite high.

Can't remember.

ledesertcroit wrote: »

I have to finally admit that, even with 3 swift, I’m not good enough to play a dmg oriented melee Magplar (dw, war maiden/axiom) and consistently enough land sweeps to be successful.
I’m having much more success with ranged Magplar. I run transmutation backbar, war maiden and Skoria (nirn inferno willpower staff front) and have given up on sweeps in favor of elemental weapon. War maiden boosts everything (but reach), while BSW would only proc of reach and fire LA and HA, I guess.
What do you think would be the best “elemental weapon” build?
As I only block-cast backbar with SnB (almost no LA there), am I correct in assuming that Berserker enchant has to be on my frontbar (nirn) staff? Or would I be better off putting shock or disease there?

Nobody can tell you what enchant should be on what bar as that's your preference.

As you're running a destro, I wouldn't use WM. I don't really know what to suggest though.

If you’re using Destro I’d say Julianos is better than Maiden

Ah my ever evolving Templar build! @Lexxypwns So I am finding I love light attacks so I have moved points from Blessed to compensate for that. Right now I am running heavy shackle and the OS as the damage set. With Destro/light attack heavy would Julianos be a better choice over Overwhelming?

Overwhelming does not have much of a range so I would vote Julianos.

Or... consider this. If you enjoy light attack builds, stick with War Maiden, get Queen's Elegance set, and slot the psijic Elemental Weapon skill.

Also there is a skill out there that empowers multiple LAs but I forget which one. Anyone care to step in?

DeadlyRecluse

ccmedaddy wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

Yeah it is fine to use, I use it myself. But he's talking about using Elemental Weapon, so I'm assuming light attacks are a key part of his build by the sounds of things.
If the emphasis wasn't on LA's / EW / Destro Spammable then I'd agree he could keep it as it is.

You know, I wonder what actually gives you higher damage on a "complete" EW weave (LA+EW), julianos or war maiden. Easy enough to test I guess.

If there are empowers floating around in the build, that puts even more emphasis on the LAs, too.

Julianos buffs both LA and EW, War Maiden buffs neither (if we're just looking at the 5pc bonus). Seems fairly straightforward.

Unless I'm missing something, War Maiden's 5 piece does buff EW. Isn't the "base" damage magic damage (and it doesn't convert to an element based on staff, unlike destro reach or something)?

datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

Also there is a skill out there that empowers multiple LAs but I forget which one. Anyone care to step in?

Solar Barrage.

ccmedaddy

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

ccmedaddy wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

Yeah it is fine to use, I use it myself. But he's talking about using Elemental Weapon, so I'm assuming light attacks are a key part of his build by the sounds of things.
If the emphasis wasn't on LA's / EW / Destro Spammable then I'd agree he could keep it as it is.

You know, I wonder what actually gives you higher damage on a "complete" EW weave (LA+EW), julianos or war maiden. Easy enough to test I guess.

If there are empowers floating around in the build, that puts even more emphasis on the LAs, too.

Julianos buffs both LA and EW, War Maiden buffs neither (if we're just looking at the 5pc bonus). Seems fairly straightforward.

Unless I'm missing something, War Maiden's 5 piece does buff EW. Isn't the "base" damage magic damage (and it doesn't convert to an element based on staff, unlike destro reach or something)?

Ah I thought EW did elemental damage for some reason. My Bad.

Datolite

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

ccmedaddy wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

Yeah it is fine to use, I use it myself. But he's talking about using Elemental Weapon, so I'm assuming light attacks are a key part of his build by the sounds of things.
If the emphasis wasn't on LA's / EW / Destro Spammable then I'd agree he could keep it as it is.

You know, I wonder what actually gives you higher damage on a "complete" EW weave (LA+EW), julianos or war maiden. Easy enough to test I guess.

If there are empowers floating around in the build, that puts even more emphasis on the LAs, too.

Julianos buffs both LA and EW, War Maiden buffs neither (if we're just looking at the 5pc bonus). Seems fairly straightforward.

Unless I'm missing something, War Maiden's 5 piece does buff EW. Isn't the "base" damage magic damage (and it doesn't convert to an element based on staff, unlike destro reach or something)?

datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

Also there is a skill out there that empowers multiple LAs but I forget which one. Anyone care to step in?

Solar Barrage.

Thank you yes. Though it's another close AoE so maybe not great for a ranged build.

And yes EW is definitely magicka damage. Big magicka damage, so War Maiden is ideal for this build.

Lexxypwns

Surge is the best Magplar damage set, imo. It offers the best 2-4pc and the 5pc has excellent synergy with the offense and helps you get off defense. I was just mentioning again that maiden doesn’t boost light attack damage(spinners does though, if you’re looking for pure damage without a proc, it’s the best 100% uptime Danae art for ranged builds)

ledesertcroit

WM does buff EW, but not the light Attack itself.
As much as I like OWSurge, it has a 12 m range, and the requirement to use a class ability, which ele drain, reach, and EW are not.
I run OWSurge when I slot a reflective light/toppling/sweeps build.

Datolite

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Surge is the best Magplar damage set, imo. It offers the best 2-4pc and the 5pc has excellent synergy with the offense and helps you get off defense. I was just mentioning again that maiden doesn’t boost light attack damage(spinners does though, if you’re looking for pure damage without a proc, it’s the best 100% uptime Danae art for ranged builds)

Surge
Sloads
Skoria
All in heavy.
Don't slot any skills.
Profit

VirtualElizabeth

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Surge is the best Magplar damage set, imo. It offers the best 2-4pc and the 5pc has excellent synergy with the offense and helps you get off defense. I was just mentioning again that maiden doesn’t boost light attack damage(spinners does though, if you’re looking for pure damage without a proc, it’s the best 100% uptime Danae art for ranged builds)

ooh Spinners. Thanks!!

Lexxypwns

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Surge is the best Magplar damage set, imo. It offers the best 2-4pc and the 5pc has excellent synergy with the offense and helps you get off defense. I was just mentioning again that maiden doesn’t boost light attack damage(spinners does though, if you’re looking for pure damage without a proc, it’s the best 100% uptime Danae art for ranged builds)

ooh Spinners. Thanks!!

Make sure you adjust your CP for Spinners, you’ll want to shift some points from Spell Erosion to Shattering Blows to offset the damage loss against shielded opponents.

HowlKimchi

What are your thoughts on elfborn CP for magplars?

When on my heavy armor builds, i think it’s not that good to add too much on the CP. But on my light armor builds, i put in more but am not that sure if it’s worth it since i dont have that big chunk of damage that works well with crits. Purifying light doesnt crit either.

Lexxypwns

HaruKamui wrote: »

What are your thoughts on elfborn CP for magplars?

When on my heavy armor builds, i think it’s not that good to add too much on the CP. But on my light armor builds, i put in more but am not that sure if it’s worth it since i dont have that big chunk of damage that works well with crits. Purifying light doesnt crit either.

You have native Major Prophecy as long as you keep Reflective Light up and 10% CHD modifier, keep that in mind