ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Jewelry Crafting
- Dramatically improved the value of Artifact-quality Jewelry Crafting Master Writs, and significantly increased the value of Legendary-quality Jewelry Crafting Master Writs, in terms of their Writ Voucher payouts.
- All Jewelry Crafting Writs received in the future will see this increased Voucher value; this change will not impact any Jewelry Crafting Master Writs already present in game.
ZOS_MSchroeder wrote: »We’ve heard your concerns about Jewelry Crafting, and we’ve been working on a few changes to help address them. The change to the value of Master Writs was a big part of those changes, but it isn’t the only part – or even the biggest! We’d like to inform you of some of the changes we’re currently working on for Jewelry Crafting.With these changes, we aim to make the experience of obtaining Jewelry Crafting materials, upgrading Rings and Necklaces, and completing Jewelry Crafting Master Writs more enjoyable and economically beneficial. They should arrive on PTS sometime soon – and be included in the final Live release of the Wolfhunter DLC pack.
- First, we’ve noticed that some players will leave Blacksmithing resources alone in their search for more Jewelry Crafting materials – which can result, in the long run, in a zone having too few Jewelry Crafting Seams for players to find. To help alleviate this, in an upcoming PTS patch, we’ll be adding a small amount of Jewelry Crafting raw material to some (but not all) Blacksmithing ore nodes. Not only will this encourage players to harvest both Blacksmithing and Jewelry Crafting resources, it will also result in more Jewelry Crafting Dust being mined overall (as we are not affecting the yield of existing Jewelry Crafting Seams at all).
- Second – and this is the big one – in an upcoming PTS patch, we’ll be significantly reducing the number of Platings it takes to upgrade a piece of Jewelry. At maximum rank in Platings Expertise, it will take you only a single Terne Plating to upgrade a ring from White to Green, and it will take only 4 Chromium Platings to upgrade a ring from Purple to Gold – both of which are half of what it takes currently on Live.
Save the writs for when the prices of the mats go down, yes the prices will go down. 461 vouchers is alot.
redspecter23 wrote: »Save the writs for when the prices of the mats go down, yes the prices will go down. 461 vouchers is alot.
ZOS now balances systems against future economic changes to the game instead of the current economy? The system has been in place for 2 months now. Prices are stabilizing. They need to drop at least to HALF of what they are currently to make this a break even deal. That's a lot of extra price dropping that needs to happen before this system implemented 2 months ago starts to look viable.
Also, your advice to save those writs didn't work out so well for the people that saved the first batch as the new change isn't retroactive. That worked out well for players, huh?
redspecter23 wrote: »Save the writs for when the prices of the mats go down, yes the prices will go down. 461 vouchers is alot.
ZOS now balances systems against future economic changes to the game instead of the current economy? The system has been in place for 2 months now. Prices are stabilizing. They need to drop at least to HALF of what they are currently to make this a break even deal. That's a lot of extra price dropping that needs to happen before this system implemented 2 months ago starts to look viable.
Also, your advice to save those writs didn't work out so well for the people that saved the first batch as the new change isn't retroactive. That worked out well for players, huh?
Idk, what was the result of the first batch? I wasn't even talking about the first batch.
You your self said change isn't retroactive. 461 writ voucher will still be 461 writ voucher when prices of the mats becomes cheaper. An already collected writ will not change the voucher value when prices become cheaper.
Why argue?
redspecter23 wrote: »Save the writs for when the prices of the mats go down, yes the prices will go down. 461 vouchers is alot.
ZOS now balances systems against future economic changes to the game instead of the current economy? The system has been in place for 2 months now. Prices are stabilizing. They need to drop at least to HALF of what they are currently to make this a break even deal. That's a lot of extra price dropping that needs to happen before this system implemented 2 months ago starts to look viable.
Also, your advice to save those writs didn't work out so well for the people that saved the first batch as the new change isn't retroactive. That worked out well for players, huh?
Idk, what was the result of the first batch? I wasn't even talking about the first batch.
You your self said change isn't retroactive. 461 writ voucher will still be 461 writ voucher when prices of the mats becomes cheaper. An already collected writ will not change the voucher value when prices become cheaper.
Why argue?
As it stands these are still not worth doing, except maybe the purple 8-9 traits infused ones.
I fail to understand why the Infused trait is the Nirnhoned of jewelry, multiplier value-wise. It's nowhere near being the less common trait. If anything either Harmony or Swift should be (Harmony takes forever getting a trait material, Swift trait material is bought for 20 vouchers so the writ should compensate that extra cost).
The ones with a low # set trait requirement are still crap.
Both trait and set trait requirement for other types of master writs are a bonus to the amount you get, not the determining factor on whether the writ is worth doing to begin with. The BASE value of the jewelry writs needs increasing a lot more, and the trait/set bonus have a lower multiplier value.
Legendary ones still lol. The highest amount you can currently get from other types of MW is rubedite weapon, nirnhoned, legendary, 9 traits, worm cult = 410 vouchers. 60 more vouchers for the best possible JC one is still a joke given the much greater cost involved in the materials.
And no, ZOS cannot base the vouchers reward on the player established market values, as they differ immensely from platform to platform. Somebody mentions 9k for Chromium Grains - well, on PS4 EU they still go for ~20k.
All this on top of the fact that if you get enough Chromium Platings for a gold item, you're probably better off spending them to upgrade some piece of jewerly you intend to use rather than a master writ, even if they were worth ~1k-ish, because it will be a very long time (or a very large amount of money) before you see that amount of platings again.
they bring out changes, good changes, and people still complain because of the prices set by greedy players on materials. player pricing IS NOT, and SHOULD NOT be a factor. these writ changes are great.
Save the writs for when the prices of the mats go down, yes the prices will go down. 461 vouchers is alot.
Crafts_Many_Boxes wrote: »Save the writs for when the prices of the mats go down, yes the prices will go down. 461 vouchers is alot.
I keep hearing this ridiculous argument over and over again. On PC, it's been 2 months. Prices are not going to drop much anymore.
Want to know why? Gold tempers have stabilized at around 6k on PC NA. These items have been around for years. That is their price, barring any major upsets.
Now, chromium grains are far, far rarer than tempering alloys. The nodes are rarer, and the actual refinement rate seems to be rarer from dust than alloys are from ore. Therefore, chromium grains will never be cheaper than 6k. I would be surprised if they ever drop below the ~8k we are seeing now, assuming nothing else changes.
So the cheapest it will ever be to craft a gold piece of jewelry is 480K + purple / blue / green costs. Right now it is at 640K - 720K, and frankly I doubt it will ever go down further on it's own.
they bring out changes, good changes, and people still complain because of the prices set by greedy players on materials. player pricing IS NOT, and SHOULD NOT be a factor. these writ changes are great.
Apache_Kid wrote: »they bring out changes, good changes, and people still complain because of the prices set by greedy players on materials. player pricing IS NOT, and SHOULD NOT be a factor. these writ changes are great.
This is not the 1st time you've posted this opinion about the "prices set by greed players" and it could not be more wrong. Prices are determined by the drop rates and availability of materials. ZoS has direct control over each of those factors. If jewelry nodes were as frequent as other nodes, if there was hirelings, if the upgrade cost wasnt 10x, prices wouldn't be this high. The player-base takes what they are given and chooses the prices from there. ZoS could sink the prices of anything in the next patch by altering the drop-rates.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Jewelry Crafting
- Dramatically improved the value of Artifact-quality Jewelry Crafting Master Writs, and significantly increased the value of Legendary-quality Jewelry Crafting Master Writs, in terms of their Writ Voucher payouts.
- All Jewelry Crafting Writs received in the future will see this increased Voucher value; this change will not impact any Jewelry Crafting Master Writs already present in game.
When i told this to my guild mates, first they were pretty sad cause this means all the current jewelry crating writs won't see this increased voucher value. But they were pretty happy at the same times cause it means that the jewelry crafting writs while worth doing.
BUT, i have tried to see what they mean by " Dramatically improved the value " on the PTS, and here are are the lowest and the highest value for both Epic and legendary jewelry crafting writs I found
What it means ? Let's take the highest I found, 461 vouchers, the current voucher price is 500/600 gold, it mean the writ worth 230K, let's take a look to the mats and particularly the gold mats, 1 gold dust worth 9K, it mean you need to spend 720K gold to do this writ ...
It would take days of farm to get all these gold mats by your own, even if you get them, this would be better to sell them and the writ, than doing the writ. We agree on this point ?
Let's take an example, a clothing writ, ( 88 vouchers, worth 44K gold ), a dreugh wax cost 4400/4800 gold, it mean it cost you 37K gold to do this writ ( as i said the writ worth 44K gold )
The mats cost less than the master writ, and if you have the dreugh wax ( pretty easy to get) the choice between doing or selling the writ is interesting.
There is 2 way to solve this problem, they can increase the voucher value on these "legendary" jewelry master writ to 1600 vouchers or make the gold mats for jewelry crafting easier to get.
I believe a few people while use these jewelry crafting writs, those who want the " Legendary Jewelry crafter " achievement, they will get it and 400+ vouchers, then they will sell some Jewelry crafting Research scroll to get half of the golds they spent on these gold mats.
Elsterchen wrote: »I think its fine, the way it got changed. Creating golden jewellery will be usefull for complete niche builds, people that like to show off squeeze the very last 1% out of their build... and crafters that want 400+ voucher.
redspecter23 wrote: »ZOS now balances systems against future economic changes to the game instead of the current economy? The system has been in place for 2 months now. Prices are stabilizing. They need to drop at least to HALF of what they are currently to make this a break even deal. That's a lot of extra price dropping that needs to happen before this system implemented 2 months ago starts to look viable.Save the writs for when the prices of the mats go down, yes the prices will go down. 461 vouchers is alot.
ZOS_MSchroeder wrote: »We’ve heard your concerns about Jewelry Crafting, and we’ve been working on a few changes to help address them. The change to the value of Master Writs was a big part of those changes, but it isn’t the only part – or even the biggest! We’d like to inform you of some of the changes we’re currently working on for Jewelry Crafting.With these changes, we aim to make the experience of obtaining Jewelry Crafting materials, upgrading Rings and Necklaces, and completing Jewelry Crafting Master Writs more enjoyable and economically beneficial. They should arrive on PTS sometime soon – and be included in the final Live release of the Wolfhunter DLC pack.
- First, we’ve noticed that some players will leave Blacksmithing resources alone in their search for more Jewelry Crafting materials – which can result, in the long run, in a zone having too few Jewelry Crafting Seams for players to find. To help alleviate this, in an upcoming PTS patch, we’ll be adding a small amount of Jewelry Crafting raw material to some (but not all) Blacksmithing ore nodes. Not only will this encourage players to harvest both Blacksmithing and Jewelry Crafting resources, it will also result in more Jewelry Crafting Dust being mined overall (as we are not affecting the yield of existing Jewelry Crafting Seams at all).
- Second – and this is the big one – in an upcoming PTS patch, we’ll be significantly reducing the number of Platings it takes to upgrade a piece of Jewelry. At maximum rank in Platings Expertise, it will take you only a single Terne Plating to upgrade a ring from White to Green, and it will take only 4 Chromium Platings to upgrade a ring from Purple to Gold – both of which are half of what it takes currently on Live.