Stamblades of the Realm, how do you cope with the Incap change?

Gilvoth

Daus wrote: »

I'm going to do just fine. This will increase the skill ceiling; which is a good thing.

well ofcourse, you specificly even made Many comments asking for it to be nerfed along with stealth.

Durham

I play a NB and they are overperforming ... Easily leads all my classes in kill/death ratio ... the only other class is the magicka sorc it can beat it ... As Micah stated above Im not the one that puts them in execute most of the time honestly...Im not a good sorc..

But the Stam NB is one of the most over performing classes atm due to the mechanics in PVP.... Avoiding damage and healing is superior then taking damage and healing through it... Currently you cant block and heal = No stam .... You cant Roll dodge and heal = no stam .... heal/Cloak heal/cloak plenty of stam left


Cloak is crazy strong and will be stronger next patch ..... Shields on a Sorc is great at Mitigation..

But to sit back and tell people to learn to counter cloak is wrong ... Running speed pots and swift in cloak is amazing atm in a matter of sec's im out of detection pot range.. In the meantime Im taking no damage thats good stuff!!!

Vietfox

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

these sorcerers and nightblade haters took Months and Months to make Hundreds of forum posts and hundreds of threads targetting and attempting to remove the incap and stun and also stealth and invisibility, i and 2 other people have been here trying

every

single

day

to stop these nightblade haters from weakening and destroying the abilities we nightblades have, and you expect 1 thread and a few posts are going to be heard and listened to ?
they now also have the support of class representatives that also hate nightblades.

it is time to face the reality that the nightblade class is in serious trouble, and there is nothing we can do about it.

We nbs have been through that already. I remember that 2 years and a half ago, maybe 3, nbs were underperforming and sorcs were op as usual.

Vietfox

Durham wrote: »

But the Stam NB is one of the most over performing classes atm due to the mechanics in PVP.... Avoiding damage and healing is superior then taking damage and healing through it...

Should i remind you that shuffle and roll dodge is available to any class? So is the stam heals such as vigor or rally/fm.
NBs need to rely on dodge chance cause is the squishiest class by far. It has no class heals nor class shields.
And pls, dont tell me refreshing is a heal class skill for sNB xD
Edit: cloak crazy strong? I guess it worked for you against recruit rank pvpers....

KingJ

usmguy1234 wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

callen4492 wrote: »

This is funny sitting back and watching the two classes (stamblade and magsorc) that get the most hate for being OP argue back and forth about who is more OP. "Your class is easier! No! Your class is easier!" Meanwhile, my mag dk just got a really nice boost!

What makes it even more funny is that magsorcs and stamblades are the same exact players they just switch to whichever is stronger or popular at the time.

There is a person by your name on Xbox that runs an argonian magblade that's tanky as hell and hits like a truck. They hit me for half health with a light attack on my magplar.

What are you running on your magplar nothing?

Ragnarock41

Why do people act like stamblade has no other stun in their kits?

Vietfox

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Why do people act like stamblade has no other stun in their kits?

Not in this thread, we already talked about other alternatives.

Zelos

ItsNebula wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.

If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.

Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.

Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.

Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.

And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.

It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.

Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.

I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.

But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”

Dude, you sound like you got rekt MANY times by NBs, i would check my skills if i were you.
Have i ever been rekt by them? Yes, as a NB or as any other class, but nothing crazy which made me feel that NB class was extremely overperforming. I've also avoided to be killed by other nbs cause i know every detail of that class and how to counter it.
You should play as a NB for a while and see by yourself how wrong you are. You would also get a better knowledge of how the class works by playing it and probably avoid getting rekt by them as well.
PS: i got way more kills/killing blows as a sorc than as a nb.

NB is LITERALLY the ONLY class in the game with a SUPER cheap ult that not to mention, can be popped about twice a minute, sometimes 3 if youre good.. incap gives 20% BONUS damage for what, 8 seconds? A define AND a stun.. the fact that its super hard to dodge incap too bc its the easiest skill to Ani. cancel. Then just spam SA right after. sNB is the ONLY class that anyone can play decent without having to put much skill and effort into it. The ONLY class where u can just throw some random stam sets together and do ok, the ONLY class that hardly takes any skill to play.

Yea you have clearly never played it in a 1vX situation as you try to open a burst and get away again with 12 people chasing you, with snares up your ass 24/7 and most things breaking cloak. I'm not saying it's extremely hard but its definitely not that easy to learn. The incap change for me is a blessing in disguise as when people get hit with a incap they dodge and my relentless misses, now I get the incap in fear and they are forced into taking the relentless and with the new monster helmet my burst will be even better. So to everyone complaining about this change stamblade will actually be better with this as i can now almost guarantee I will get both incap and relentless in without being blocked or dodged.

Strider__Roshin

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Why do people act like stamblade has no other stun in their kits?

You nerf one stun and it's mass hysteria everywhere

Vietfox

Daus wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Why do people act like stamblade has no other stun in their kits?

You nerf one stun and it's mass hysteria everywhere

It's not that, rune cage should had been nerfed kinda same way incap did. By decreasing the time and/or the range, not the damage, which never was an issue.

thankyourat

usmguy1234 wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

callen4492 wrote: »

This is funny sitting back and watching the two classes (stamblade and magsorc) that get the most hate for being OP argue back and forth about who is more OP. "Your class is easier! No! Your class is easier!" Meanwhile, my mag dk just got a really nice boost!

What makes it even more funny is that magsorcs and stamblades are the same exact players they just switch to whichever is stronger or popular at the time.

There is a person by your name on Xbox that runs an argonian magblade that's tanky as hell and hits like a truck. They hit me for half health with a light attack on my magplar.

Tanky argonian magblade yes that's me. If I took a large chunk of your health I had to hit you with something other than a light attack. Maybe assassin's will

Strider__Roshin

Vietfox wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Why do people act like stamblade has no other stun in their kits?

You nerf one stun and it's mass hysteria everywhere

It's not that, rune cage should had been nerfed kinda same way incap did. By decreasing the time and/or the range, not the damage, which never was an issue.

Oh I agree. I was just trying to make a pun. Apparently, I failed.

Ragnarock41

Daus wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Why do people act like stamblade has no other stun in their kits?

You nerf one stun and it's mass hysteria everywhere

I honestly never cared much about the stun component of incap. To me its the combination of low cost and two very strong debuffs that makes it strong. And it still has all of that. As for mass hysteria, as long as the CC break works properly its not an issue. Unlike some other CC abilities that I can name(looking at you rune cage)

Strider__Roshin

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Why do people act like stamblade has no other stun in their kits?

You nerf one stun and it's mass hysteria everywhere

I honestly never cared much about the stun component of incap. To me its the combination of low cost and two very strong debuffs that makes it strong. And it still has all of that. As for mass hysteria, as long as the CC break works properly its not an issue. Unlike some other CC abilities that I can name(looking at you rune cage)

Lol yeah mass hysteria can be irritating for the user, and the one it was used on. I've CC broke MH before and the game didn't give a crap; I still performed the animation.

And then when I use MH the person that's feared will take off sprinting around a structure like a professional 1vXer.

irstarkey57

Thogard wrote: »

I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.

If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.

Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.

Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.

Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.

And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.

It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.

Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.

I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.

But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”

BoL, BoL, BoL, earthgore, Templar healing ult.... ;p

irstarkey57

I dunno man. As someone who plays all classes. All these NB haters have no idea what they are talking about. You jumped on the nerf incap wagon because you got tired of getting ganked. Incap is not a guaranteed kill and it usually doesn’t. NB’s are usually in medium armor making survivability ***. So please explain which class is easy to kill with incap. Magdk, nope, magdorc, nope, Templar, LoL....Sure you can make a one trick pony gankblade where it hits hard af but you will have zero sustain and will most likely die if it doesn’t work out. So I dunno wtf you all are talking about honestly. BoL spamming templars, shield sorcs with burst from a mile away, sloads, stam sorcs with hurricane, NB’s tools are dwindling but yea go ahead a nerf it. Nerf cloak while you’re at it. That being said, not too worried about the stun loss.

Thogard

irstarkey57 wrote: »

I dunno man. As someone who plays all classes. All these NB haters have no idea what they are talking about. You jumped on the nerf incap wagon because you got tired of getting ganked. Incap is not a guaranteed kill and it usually doesn’t. NB’s are usually in medium armor making survivability ***. So please explain which class is easy to kill with incap. Magdk, nope, magdorc, nope, Templar, LoL....Sure you can make a one trick pony gankblade where it hits hard af but you will have zero sustain and will most likely die if it doesn’t work out. So I dunno wtf you all are talking about honestly. BoL spamming templars, shield sorcs with burst from a mile away, sloads, stam sorcs with hurricane, NB’s tools are dwindling but yea go ahead a nerf it. Nerf cloak while you’re at it. That being said, not too worried about the stun loss.

I think people are really really sleeping on how strong incap will be in comparison when reverb snipe etc are all 4s defiles but incap stays at 6.

The burst combos between higher level players - who you really need defile on - usually last longer than 3s. This means someone will have to be hitting reverb on them for literally 25% of their GCDs.

Meanwhile nightblade remains unchanged. It already had the best burst combo and the best defense... now it has the best defile too.

This whole patch is a huge buff to NB, but a few bad NBs that don’t know any playstyle other than attacking someone who’s already in a fight are crying because they just lost their only knockdown.

Please. Compared to other Stam classes, NB has never been stronger than it will be after this patch.

Let’s just hope they nerf incap’s defile duration too.

Heimpai

Soo many sorcs in here acting like their class is hard..not to worry though, all the "incap" NB‘s will swap to rune cage sorcs

Ragnarock41

Thogard wrote: »

irstarkey57 wrote: »

I dunno man. As someone who plays all classes. All these NB haters have no idea what they are talking about. You jumped on the nerf incap wagon because you got tired of getting ganked. Incap is not a guaranteed kill and it usually doesn’t. NB’s are usually in medium armor making survivability ***. So please explain which class is easy to kill with incap. Magdk, nope, magdorc, nope, Templar, LoL....Sure you can make a one trick pony gankblade where it hits hard af but you will have zero sustain and will most likely die if it doesn’t work out. So I dunno wtf you all are talking about honestly. BoL spamming templars, shield sorcs with burst from a mile away, sloads, stam sorcs with hurricane, NB’s tools are dwindling but yea go ahead a nerf it. Nerf cloak while you’re at it. That being said, not too worried about the stun loss.

I think people are really really sleeping on how strong incap will be in comparison when reverb snipe etc are all 4s defiles but incap stays at 6.

The burst combos between higher level players - who you really need defile on - usually last longer than 3s. This means someone will have to be hitting reverb on them for literally 25% of their GCDs.

Meanwhile nightblade remains unchanged. It already had the best burst combo and the best defense... now it has the best defile too.

This whole patch is a huge buff to NB, but a few bad NBs that don’t know any playstyle other than attacking someone who’s already in a fight are crying because they just lost their only knockdown.

Please. Compared to other Stam classes, NB has never been stronger than it will be after this patch.

Let’s just hope they nerf incap’s defile duration too.

Don't forget they added visual counterplay against detect pot,evil hunter, revealing flare.

And sloads is now not breaking cloak.

So in a nutshell, they somehow buffed nightblade while nerfing it. Thought seriously, who the f*** even uses evil hunter anymore at its insane cost?

kaithuzar

Im not a fan of stamblades, but I'm more so not a fan of people hating & rubbing it in either.

So here's the answer for stamblades in 1 word:
PARIAH

Enjoy,
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/383840/math-pvp-defensive-set-comparison-impreg-brass-pariah-riposte-more/p2

Strider__Roshin

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

irstarkey57 wrote: »

I dunno man. As someone who plays all classes. All these NB haters have no idea what they are talking about. You jumped on the nerf incap wagon because you got tired of getting ganked. Incap is not a guaranteed kill and it usually doesn’t. NB’s are usually in medium armor making survivability ***. So please explain which class is easy to kill with incap. Magdk, nope, magdorc, nope, Templar, LoL....Sure you can make a one trick pony gankblade where it hits hard af but you will have zero sustain and will most likely die if it doesn’t work out. So I dunno wtf you all are talking about honestly. BoL spamming templars, shield sorcs with burst from a mile away, sloads, stam sorcs with hurricane, NB’s tools are dwindling but yea go ahead a nerf it. Nerf cloak while you’re at it. That being said, not too worried about the stun loss.

I think people are really really sleeping on how strong incap will be in comparison when reverb snipe etc are all 4s defiles but incap stays at 6.

The burst combos between higher level players - who you really need defile on - usually last longer than 3s. This means someone will have to be hitting reverb on them for literally 25% of their GCDs.

Meanwhile nightblade remains unchanged. It already had the best burst combo and the best defense... now it has the best defile too.

This whole patch is a huge buff to NB, but a few bad NBs that don’t know any playstyle other than attacking someone who’s already in a fight are crying because they just lost their only knockdown.

Please. Compared to other Stam classes, NB has never been stronger than it will be after this patch.

Let’s just hope they nerf incap’s defile duration too.

Don't forget they added visual counterplay against detect pot,evil hunter, revealing flare.

And sloads is now not breaking cloak.

So in a nutshell, they somehow buffed nightblade while nerfing it. Thought seriously, who the f*** even uses evil hunter anymore at its insane cost?

I love that change actually lol. I want them to know it was me that marked them, and I want them to try and do something about it

Joy_Division

Vietfox wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.

If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.

Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.

Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.

Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.

And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.

It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.

Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.

I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.

But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”

Dude, you sound like you got rekt MANY times by NBs, i would check my skills if i were you.
Have i ever been rekt by them? Yes, as a NB or as any other class, but nothing crazy which made me feel that NB class was extremely overperforming. I've also avoided to be killed by other nbs cause i know every detail of that class and how to counter it.
You should play as a NB for a while and see by yourself how wrong you are. You would also get a better knowledge of how the class works by playing it and probably avoid getting rekt by them as well.
PS: i got way more kills/killing blows as a sorc than as a nb.

Now a nerf sorc thread!

Vietfox

Joy_Division wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.

If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.

Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.

Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.

Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.

And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.

It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.

Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.

I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.

But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”

Dude, you sound like you got rekt MANY times by NBs, i would check my skills if i were you.
Have i ever been rekt by them? Yes, as a NB or as any other class, but nothing crazy which made me feel that NB class was extremely overperforming. I've also avoided to be killed by other nbs cause i know every detail of that class and how to counter it.
You should play as a NB for a while and see by yourself how wrong you are. You would also get a better knowledge of how the class works by playing it and probably avoid getting rekt by them as well.
PS: i got way more kills/killing blows as a sorc than as a nb.

Now a nerf sorc thread!

No, it's a "nbs are not as op as you think" thread

mikey_reach

Only the bad nbs will conplain about the stun change for incap. The good ones will pretty much will go back to rotating their combos like back then. I like the change.

CyrusArya

Vietfox wrote: »

No, it's a "nbs are not as op as you think" thread

Nightblade is the best designed class in the game, with the best passives. Period. It’s the nightblade players for the most part that underperform and under represent the class. The class does have the highest skill ceiling of any tho, and the few good ones really demonstrate how powerful the class can be when played right. This goes for both magicka and stamina.

There is also a strong overlap between these bad nightblades and people who make nerf sorc posts.

Meanwhile, as both nightblades and sorcs complain, cry, and take shots at each-other...Templars and DKs roll their eyes at the two consistently most powerful but never satisfied classes.

Sky_WK

If you weren't using fear or SA from stealth last patch prior to your incap you are bad and can't crutch as hard on our broken skill anymore.

Nyladreas

Wow this topic went out of hand quick. People once again discussing dissatisfactions lmao...

Remind me to never ask a simple question again...

IZZEFlameLash

I mean some people responded with classic NB combo pre-Incap stun days. And I plan on using the classic pre-stun Incap combo anyways after the adjustment on my stamNB.

Feanor

The change won't change anything. I feel like @Thogard - the NB buffs that somehow fly under the radar are disconcerting.

Arkangeloski

Sharee wrote: »

You can always just cloak ->SA for a stun, so...

*shrug*

Shhhhh!!!! Don't say that out loud...or it will be next