Stamblades of the Realm, how do you cope with the Incap change?

Heimpai

You could try the 2h ult

Sun7dance

Daus wrote: »

Incap has the same issue. It wouldn't be the end of the world if they increased their range to 7m. Especially considering the game's latency.

No, please don't!
Remember all the sorc tears, if we would get more range!

Heimpai

Vapirko wrote: »

Lol at all these NB tears. I’m so sorry that your super strong ultimate that costs the least of any ultimate and also provides major defile for 6 seconds even though everything else only provides 4 seconds and also gives you a 20% damage buff now requires brains to access the stun. L2P.

Yep and sorcs still don’t require a brain..i mean all you do is spam rune cage and it’s not even an ult

Arkangeloski

KingJ wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Zeromaz wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Arkangeloski wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Arkangeloski wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.

If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.

Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.

Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.

Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.

And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.

It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.

Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.

I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.

But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”

This guy is delusional... go spam rune cage from an inner keep wall from 40 meters away, or even better! Go do bg's spam rune cage and execute and steal kills all day everyday and go 30k 0d lol easy class my sitting muscle

@Thogard , is this how I look like when I miss your sarcasm? I hope not.

I just had a brain fart... I'm tired man

No you’re good, I think sNB is ridiculously OP and is going to be even more so after the next patch.

But don’t worry, I think mag sorc is pretty close behind.

I’ve watched your stream for about 30 minutes once. The entire time you were talking about how *** NB playstyle is... you call them ridiculously OP and then you go and group up with 4 DKs, who all dragon leap on groups of people and executioner them all.... just how trivial is that gameplay? If you are sick of nightblades cloaking away to reopen on you and you don’t want to slot the needed skills or potions to prevent that from happening, thats your problem. It tells me you’re either lazy or you want this game suited to YOUR playstyle.

You want to talk about trash nightblade players that use all 10 of their abilities slotted when all you do is wait for a leap and then execute. You can train a monkey to play your character.

DK leap needs to get toned down just as much as incap. Your ultimate does decent damage, but the utility it comes with it stupid. Gap closer, CC, damage, reduced cost and/or damage shield.

Is incap change a nerf...? I don’t really care either way. It probably won’t change my gameplay at all. I’m fine with it. We didn’t get any buffs but for some reason, the community thinks so and all you see on the forum the past few days is NB OP nerf them, nerf that... sorc this... its a bunch of mind numbing BS simply because there is some changes happening and people just absolutely have to get their voice heard. Its starting to look like facebook on here.

If your DK is outclassed why are you playing it in pvp? There are plenty of DKs out there who don’t have issues killing NBs or sorcs, which leads me to believe they’re doing something right, and you aren’t.

It's ok. I'm going to finish my stamblade. I will join you soon.

my stream rant about nightblades is a nightly thing. their group utility needs to be buffed, and their single-target kill and mitigate potential needs to be decreased.

having a class that's really OP in Xv1 and 1v1 situations, but really underpowered in group vs group fights that occur at a higher level is not balance. Trading OP in one situation for UP in another situation is not balance. It's the exact opposite.

Every class is really op in Xv1 situations.Templars BOL people you about to kill and POTL you so the group damage is stacked on you.Magsorc stacking curses and rune cage.Nb mark and multiple debuffs.DK stuns and immobilization. Every class is OP in Xv1.Its how ESO works.

If ever class is OP.. then are they actually OP?

NBs are only Stam class that doesn’t have to sacrifice dmg to run a defile. Getting incapped is much worse than being subjected to other classes’ abilities in a 1vX situation.

Wardens have a AOE major defile.They don't sacrifice anything for it a NB have to at least use it in a ultimate. Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.

''Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.''

Yeah buddy, I'll also prefer losing %50 of my healing plus taking %20 more damage and eating a stun, compared to just eating a stun. It just seems like the logical thing, Man , you pro 1vX'ers are really good at math.

Like. Totally logical. They should kick gilliam and hire you instead.

If you losing 50% of your health from incap you need to work on your build im sorry i run well fitted impreg never been hit for health my health on my stamblade or sorc.Heavy stamplar and warden never had that issue either.Rune cage stops me in my tracks and force me to eat damage.I can at least at times dodge incap.

He wrote healing not health... is in major defile from incap lol.

Feanor

Heimpai wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Lol at all these NB tears. I’m so sorry that your super strong ultimate that costs the least of any ultimate and also provides major defile for 6 seconds even though everything else only provides 4 seconds and also gives you a 20% damage buff now requires brains to access the stun. L2P.

Yep and sorcs still don’t require a brain..i mean all you do is spam rune cage and it’s not even an ult

Spam Rune Cage. Mhm. Another one who has never played a Sorc apparently.

KingJ

Arkangeloski wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Zeromaz wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Arkangeloski wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Arkangeloski wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.

If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.

Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.

Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.

Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.

And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.

It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.

Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.

I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.

But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”

This guy is delusional... go spam rune cage from an inner keep wall from 40 meters away, or even better! Go do bg's spam rune cage and execute and steal kills all day everyday and go 30k 0d lol easy class my sitting muscle

@Thogard , is this how I look like when I miss your sarcasm? I hope not.

I just had a brain fart... I'm tired man

No you’re good, I think sNB is ridiculously OP and is going to be even more so after the next patch.

But don’t worry, I think mag sorc is pretty close behind.

I’ve watched your stream for about 30 minutes once. The entire time you were talking about how *** NB playstyle is... you call them ridiculously OP and then you go and group up with 4 DKs, who all dragon leap on groups of people and executioner them all.... just how trivial is that gameplay? If you are sick of nightblades cloaking away to reopen on you and you don’t want to slot the needed skills or potions to prevent that from happening, thats your problem. It tells me you’re either lazy or you want this game suited to YOUR playstyle.

You want to talk about trash nightblade players that use all 10 of their abilities slotted when all you do is wait for a leap and then execute. You can train a monkey to play your character.

DK leap needs to get toned down just as much as incap. Your ultimate does decent damage, but the utility it comes with it stupid. Gap closer, CC, damage, reduced cost and/or damage shield.

Is incap change a nerf...? I don’t really care either way. It probably won’t change my gameplay at all. I’m fine with it. We didn’t get any buffs but for some reason, the community thinks so and all you see on the forum the past few days is NB OP nerf them, nerf that... sorc this... its a bunch of mind numbing BS simply because there is some changes happening and people just absolutely have to get their voice heard. Its starting to look like facebook on here.

If your DK is outclassed why are you playing it in pvp? There are plenty of DKs out there who don’t have issues killing NBs or sorcs, which leads me to believe they’re doing something right, and you aren’t.

It's ok. I'm going to finish my stamblade. I will join you soon.

my stream rant about nightblades is a nightly thing. their group utility needs to be buffed, and their single-target kill and mitigate potential needs to be decreased.

having a class that's really OP in Xv1 and 1v1 situations, but really underpowered in group vs group fights that occur at a higher level is not balance. Trading OP in one situation for UP in another situation is not balance. It's the exact opposite.

Every class is really op in Xv1 situations.Templars BOL people you about to kill and POTL you so the group damage is stacked on you.Magsorc stacking curses and rune cage.Nb mark and multiple debuffs.DK stuns and immobilization. Every class is OP in Xv1.Its how ESO works.

If ever class is OP.. then are they actually OP?

NBs are only Stam class that doesn’t have to sacrifice dmg to run a defile. Getting incapped is much worse than being subjected to other classes’ abilities in a 1vX situation.

Wardens have a AOE major defile.They don't sacrifice anything for it a NB have to at least use it in a ultimate. Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.

''Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.''

Yeah buddy, I'll also prefer losing %50 of my healing plus taking %20 more damage and eating a stun, compared to just eating a stun. It just seems like the logical thing, Man , you pro 1vX'ers are really good at math.

Like. Totally logical. They should kick gilliam and hire you instead.

If you losing 50% of your health from incap you need to work on your build im sorry i run well fitted impreg never been hit for health my health on my stamblade or sorc.Heavy stamplar and warden never had that issue either.Rune cage stops me in my tracks and force me to eat damage.I can at least at times dodge incap.

He wrote healing not health... is in major defile from incap lol.

I'll admit i read it wrong everyone messes up.

Strider__Roshin

Heimpai wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Lol at all these NB tears. I’m so sorry that your super strong ultimate that costs the least of any ultimate and also provides major defile for 6 seconds even though everything else only provides 4 seconds and also gives you a 20% damage buff now requires brains to access the stun. L2P.

Yep and sorcs still don’t require a brain..i mean all you do is spam rune cage and it’s not even an ult

Okay I find being successful with a magsorc to be stupid easy too, but this statement is dishonest. The reason why Rune Cage is OP is not due to how damaging Rune Cage is on its own, it's because it prevents the player from being able to defend themselves from the magsorcs delayed burst. Before Rune Cage timing, and the ability to outplay your opponent was important.

FloppyTouch

These post about nb and sorcs are getting old can we just not buff sorcs and nb anymore and start giving stam dk and templars some damn love in pvp.

Heimpai

Daus wrote: »

Heimpai wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Lol at all these NB tears. I’m so sorry that your super strong ultimate that costs the least of any ultimate and also provides major defile for 6 seconds even though everything else only provides 4 seconds and also gives you a 20% damage buff now requires brains to access the stun. L2P.

Yep and sorcs still don’t require a brain..i mean all you do is spam rune cage and it’s not even an ult

Okay I find being successful with a magsorc to be stupid easy too, but this statement is dishonest. The reason why Rune Cage is OP is not due to how damaging Rune Cage is on its own, it's because it prevents the player from being able to defend themselves from the magsorcs delayed burst. Before Rune Cage timing, and the ability to outplay your opponent was important.

Never said it was damaging..but be real, one can be blocked/dodged and the other can’t and it also stuns longer..soo technically it is more damaging

You can’t seriously complain about an ult and then defend rune cage..and you got sorcs wanting cloak nerfed too, shields will get nerfed as well..this is what all the QQ‘s will lead too

All i wanted was a dmg nerf on incap and stun nerf on rune cage but they did that backwards instead, i mean if you guys truly want to kill pvp keep complaining about everything instead of adapting

Ragnaroek93

Won't change anything of importance. The people who get rekt by nbs will still get rekt and will still continue to complain.

thankyourat

Thogard wrote: »

Zeromaz wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Arkangeloski wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Arkangeloski wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.

If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.

Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.

Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.

Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.

And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.

It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.

Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.

I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.

But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”

This guy is delusional... go spam rune cage from an inner keep wall from 40 meters away, or even better! Go do bg's spam rune cage and execute and steal kills all day everyday and go 30k 0d lol easy class my sitting muscle

@Thogard , is this how I look like when I miss your sarcasm? I hope not.

I just had a brain fart... I'm tired man

No you’re good, I think sNB is ridiculously OP and is going to be even more so after the next patch.

But don’t worry, I think mag sorc is pretty close behind.

I’ve watched your stream for about 30 minutes once. The entire time you were talking about how *** NB playstyle is... you call them ridiculously OP and then you go and group up with 4 DKs, who all dragon leap on groups of people and executioner them all.... just how trivial is that gameplay? If you are sick of nightblades cloaking away to reopen on you and you don’t want to slot the needed skills or potions to prevent that from happening, thats your problem. It tells me you’re either lazy or you want this game suited to YOUR playstyle.

You want to talk about trash nightblade players that use all 10 of their abilities slotted when all you do is wait for a leap and then execute. You can train a monkey to play your character.

DK leap needs to get toned down just as much as incap. Your ultimate does decent damage, but the utility it comes with it stupid. Gap closer, CC, damage, reduced cost and/or damage shield.

Is incap change a nerf...? I don’t really care either way. It probably won’t change my gameplay at all. I’m fine with it. We didn’t get any buffs but for some reason, the community thinks so and all you see on the forum the past few days is NB OP nerf them, nerf that... sorc this... its a bunch of mind numbing BS simply because there is some changes happening and people just absolutely have to get their voice heard. Its starting to look like facebook on here.

If your DK is outclassed why are you playing it in pvp? There are plenty of DKs out there who don’t have issues killing NBs or sorcs, which leads me to believe they’re doing something right, and you aren’t.

It's ok. I'm going to finish my stamblade. I will join you soon.

my stream rant about nightblades is a nightly thing. their group utility needs to be buffed, and their single-target kill and mitigate potential needs to be decreased.

having a class that's really OP in Xv1 and 1v1 situations, but really underpowered in group vs group fights that occur at a higher level is not balance. Trading OP in one situation for UP in another situation is not balance. It's the exact opposite.

Nightblade is probably one of the easiest classes to kill in 1vX situations. A magplar or mag dk however are way too strong in Xv1 situations the constant snares and roots. The non stop blocking, the magplar keeping everyone you are attacking alive with minimum effort. And then there is mag sorc the king of Xv1 loads of unavoidable damage that sticks to you even while you are kiting. range damage so they can always kite around their teammates when you try to focus them and the new best Xv1 ability run cage that you can't counter you just have to take the stun and all the curses applied to you that you can't block. There are also classes that are stronger than stamblade in 1v1 situations. Magblades are the first that come to mind, mag sorcs are stronger 1v1 mag dks with skoria. If you think about it mag sorc is better than stamblade in duels Xv1 and group play right now

technohic

FloppyTouch wrote: »

These post about nb and sorcs are getting old can we just not buff sorcs and nb anymore and start giving stam dk and templars some damn love in pvp.

Im for that. A new meta king would be nice

Feanor

technohic wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

These post about nb and sorcs are getting old can we just not buff sorcs and nb anymore and start giving stam dk and templars some damn love in pvp.

Im for that. A new meta king would be nice

I'm all for 1.4 DKs.

Koensol

thankyourat wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Zeromaz wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Arkangeloski wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Arkangeloski wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.

If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.

Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.

Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.

Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.

And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.

It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.

Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.

I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.

But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”

This guy is delusional... go spam rune cage from an inner keep wall from 40 meters away, or even better! Go do bg's spam rune cage and execute and steal kills all day everyday and go 30k 0d lol easy class my sitting muscle

@Thogard , is this how I look like when I miss your sarcasm? I hope not.

I just had a brain fart... I'm tired man

No you’re good, I think sNB is ridiculously OP and is going to be even more so after the next patch.

But don’t worry, I think mag sorc is pretty close behind.

I’ve watched your stream for about 30 minutes once. The entire time you were talking about how *** NB playstyle is... you call them ridiculously OP and then you go and group up with 4 DKs, who all dragon leap on groups of people and executioner them all.... just how trivial is that gameplay? If you are sick of nightblades cloaking away to reopen on you and you don’t want to slot the needed skills or potions to prevent that from happening, thats your problem. It tells me you’re either lazy or you want this game suited to YOUR playstyle.

You want to talk about trash nightblade players that use all 10 of their abilities slotted when all you do is wait for a leap and then execute. You can train a monkey to play your character.

DK leap needs to get toned down just as much as incap. Your ultimate does decent damage, but the utility it comes with it stupid. Gap closer, CC, damage, reduced cost and/or damage shield.

Is incap change a nerf...? I don’t really care either way. It probably won’t change my gameplay at all. I’m fine with it. We didn’t get any buffs but for some reason, the community thinks so and all you see on the forum the past few days is NB OP nerf them, nerf that... sorc this... its a bunch of mind numbing BS simply because there is some changes happening and people just absolutely have to get their voice heard. Its starting to look like facebook on here.

If your DK is outclassed why are you playing it in pvp? There are plenty of DKs out there who don’t have issues killing NBs or sorcs, which leads me to believe they’re doing something right, and you aren’t.

It's ok. I'm going to finish my stamblade. I will join you soon.

my stream rant about nightblades is a nightly thing. their group utility needs to be buffed, and their single-target kill and mitigate potential needs to be decreased.

having a class that's really OP in Xv1 and 1v1 situations, but really underpowered in group vs group fights that occur at a higher level is not balance. Trading OP in one situation for UP in another situation is not balance. It's the exact opposite.

Nightblade is probably one of the easiest classes to kill in 1vX situations. A magplar or mag dk however are way too strong in Xv1 situations the constant snares and roots. The non stop blocking, the magplar keeping everyone you are attacking alive with minimum effort. And then there is mag sorc the king of Xv1 loads of unavoidable damage that sticks to you even while you are kiting. range damage so they can always kite around their teammates when you try to focus them and the new best Xv1 ability run cage that you can't counter you just have to take the stun and all the curses applied to you that you can't block. There are also classes that are stronger than stamblade in 1v1 situations. Magblades are the first that come to mind, mag sorcs are stronger 1v1 mag dks with skoria. If you think about it mag sorc is better than stamblade in duels Xv1 and group play right now

I completely agree with you. Bad nightblades are 1 shot fodder. Scary on a good player though. Magsorcs on the other hand have become a total joke of a class since the overall damage buff with summerset. I can write an entire novel about how grossly overperforming they are right now, especially in BGs. And in Xv1 they are simply broken at the moment. 2 sorcs together can burst someone down in mere seconds with unavoidable and delayed burst. At the same time they have to sacrifice NOTHING for defense. Just stack max magicka and its gg. Scrubs and pro's alike are completely dominating right now on this class. It is by far the most braindead easy class in the game. Period. Stamblade is easy too, but at least on a stamblade you will die horribly if you make a single mistake. Noobs will be noobs on that class while magsorcs can xv1 from the safety of their group and nuke players with 0 effort at all. It is an utter joke of a class right now.

Feanor

@Koensol

Please do write the novel. Although [insert class] is OP in Xv1 might not be the most enlightening outcome.

Thogard

All you forumblades understand that it’s possible that more than one class can be OP, right? Saying that mag sorc is OP (it is) or that it’s easy (it is) is not a valid counter to the argument that stamblades are OP.

Believe it or not, there are other classes and specs besides mag sorc and stamblade. Although from reading these boards and seeing the mag sorc and stamblade forum brigades in action, I can understand why many of you think otherwise lol.

Ragnarock41

KingJ wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Zeromaz wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Arkangeloski wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Arkangeloski wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.

If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.

Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.

Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.

Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.

And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.

It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.

Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.

I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.

But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”

This guy is delusional... go spam rune cage from an inner keep wall from 40 meters away, or even better! Go do bg's spam rune cage and execute and steal kills all day everyday and go 30k 0d lol easy class my sitting muscle

@Thogard , is this how I look like when I miss your sarcasm? I hope not.

I just had a brain fart... I'm tired man

No you’re good, I think sNB is ridiculously OP and is going to be even more so after the next patch.

But don’t worry, I think mag sorc is pretty close behind.

I’ve watched your stream for about 30 minutes once. The entire time you were talking about how *** NB playstyle is... you call them ridiculously OP and then you go and group up with 4 DKs, who all dragon leap on groups of people and executioner them all.... just how trivial is that gameplay? If you are sick of nightblades cloaking away to reopen on you and you don’t want to slot the needed skills or potions to prevent that from happening, thats your problem. It tells me you’re either lazy or you want this game suited to YOUR playstyle.

You want to talk about trash nightblade players that use all 10 of their abilities slotted when all you do is wait for a leap and then execute. You can train a monkey to play your character.

DK leap needs to get toned down just as much as incap. Your ultimate does decent damage, but the utility it comes with it stupid. Gap closer, CC, damage, reduced cost and/or damage shield.

Is incap change a nerf...? I don’t really care either way. It probably won’t change my gameplay at all. I’m fine with it. We didn’t get any buffs but for some reason, the community thinks so and all you see on the forum the past few days is NB OP nerf them, nerf that... sorc this... its a bunch of mind numbing BS simply because there is some changes happening and people just absolutely have to get their voice heard. Its starting to look like facebook on here.

If your DK is outclassed why are you playing it in pvp? There are plenty of DKs out there who don’t have issues killing NBs or sorcs, which leads me to believe they’re doing something right, and you aren’t.

It's ok. I'm going to finish my stamblade. I will join you soon.

my stream rant about nightblades is a nightly thing. their group utility needs to be buffed, and their single-target kill and mitigate potential needs to be decreased.

having a class that's really OP in Xv1 and 1v1 situations, but really underpowered in group vs group fights that occur at a higher level is not balance. Trading OP in one situation for UP in another situation is not balance. It's the exact opposite.

Every class is really op in Xv1 situations.Templars BOL people you about to kill and POTL you so the group damage is stacked on you.Magsorc stacking curses and rune cage.Nb mark and multiple debuffs.DK stuns and immobilization. Every class is OP in Xv1.Its how ESO works.

If ever class is OP.. then are they actually OP?

NBs are only Stam class that doesn’t have to sacrifice dmg to run a defile. Getting incapped is much worse than being subjected to other classes’ abilities in a 1vX situation.

Wardens have a AOE major defile.They don't sacrifice anything for it a NB have to at least use it in a ultimate. Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.

''Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.''

Yeah buddy, I'll also prefer losing %50 of my healing plus taking %20 more damage and eating a stun, compared to just eating a stun. It just seems like the logical thing, Man , you pro 1vX'ers are really good at math.

Like. Totally logical. They should kick gilliam and hire you instead.

If you losing 50% of your health from incap you need to work on your build im sorry i run well fitted impreg never been hit for health my health on my stamblade or sorc.Heavy stamplar and warden never had that issue either.Rune cage stops me in my tracks and force me to eat damage.I can at least at times dodge incap.

Not only you're a math genius, you're also perfect at reading, oh my, I am so convinced that you should totally replace wrobel, gilliam, and all the class reps and work for all of them instead!


Look buddy.. My post clearly says ''healing'' , and not ''health''. Please, a little more attention into reading. I know its hard for the average stamblade main, but just give it your best shot allright?

Speaking of healing, major defile with befoul can easily achieve %45 healing debuff. (Which no other stam class can have without sacrificing a leg or an arm out of their builds,especially not if they are running a typical 2h/bow or 2h/dw build , based on high damage.)


See how funny this whole argument is , I did not even mention anything about how hard incap hits for. I simply think that incap's damage output is fine, but recovering from getting hit is near impossible due to reasons I will explain now


So lets see, hitting an incap after you mark an enemy, especially if he is on medium, will basically screw him for good., followed by 1 suprise attack weave and 1 execute weave, he will drop dead if he does not react immediately. So after landing the ''I win'' ultimate, your enemy either breaks free into a dodge roll vigor, or he simply dies. Which is fine, you managed to land an ultimate after all. Oh, he did managed to dodge vigor, then what?

He is still defiled, marked,taking %20 extra damage... Surely I would prefer facing rune cage any day. Rune cage, despite what many people believe, isnt what is so toxic about magsorcs.Surely rune cage itself is a broken ability with no counterplay, but the main problem is how rune cage interacts with the rest of the no counterplay magsorc combo. Yes, I called the buzzword. Magsorc combo has absolutely no counterplay other than mitigating it.

Which is one of the many reasons why everyone and their mums wear heavy nowadays. And suprise suprise, stamblades are also the second worst offender, as to why everyone that isn't a nightblade or sorc, is wearing heavy armor.

Arkangeloski

KingJ wrote: »

Arkangeloski wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Zeromaz wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Arkangeloski wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Arkangeloski wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.

If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.

Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.

Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.

Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.

And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.

It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.

Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.

I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.

But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”

This guy is delusional... go spam rune cage from an inner keep wall from 40 meters away, or even better! Go do bg's spam rune cage and execute and steal kills all day everyday and go 30k 0d lol easy class my sitting muscle

@Thogard , is this how I look like when I miss your sarcasm? I hope not.

I just had a brain fart... I'm tired man

No you’re good, I think sNB is ridiculously OP and is going to be even more so after the next patch.

But don’t worry, I think mag sorc is pretty close behind.

I’ve watched your stream for about 30 minutes once. The entire time you were talking about how *** NB playstyle is... you call them ridiculously OP and then you go and group up with 4 DKs, who all dragon leap on groups of people and executioner them all.... just how trivial is that gameplay? If you are sick of nightblades cloaking away to reopen on you and you don’t want to slot the needed skills or potions to prevent that from happening, thats your problem. It tells me you’re either lazy or you want this game suited to YOUR playstyle.

You want to talk about trash nightblade players that use all 10 of their abilities slotted when all you do is wait for a leap and then execute. You can train a monkey to play your character.

DK leap needs to get toned down just as much as incap. Your ultimate does decent damage, but the utility it comes with it stupid. Gap closer, CC, damage, reduced cost and/or damage shield.

Is incap change a nerf...? I don’t really care either way. It probably won’t change my gameplay at all. I’m fine with it. We didn’t get any buffs but for some reason, the community thinks so and all you see on the forum the past few days is NB OP nerf them, nerf that... sorc this... its a bunch of mind numbing BS simply because there is some changes happening and people just absolutely have to get their voice heard. Its starting to look like facebook on here.

If your DK is outclassed why are you playing it in pvp? There are plenty of DKs out there who don’t have issues killing NBs or sorcs, which leads me to believe they’re doing something right, and you aren’t.

It's ok. I'm going to finish my stamblade. I will join you soon.

my stream rant about nightblades is a nightly thing. their group utility needs to be buffed, and their single-target kill and mitigate potential needs to be decreased.

having a class that's really OP in Xv1 and 1v1 situations, but really underpowered in group vs group fights that occur at a higher level is not balance. Trading OP in one situation for UP in another situation is not balance. It's the exact opposite.

Every class is really op in Xv1 situations.Templars BOL people you about to kill and POTL you so the group damage is stacked on you.Magsorc stacking curses and rune cage.Nb mark and multiple debuffs.DK stuns and immobilization. Every class is OP in Xv1.Its how ESO works.

If ever class is OP.. then are they actually OP?

NBs are only Stam class that doesn’t have to sacrifice dmg to run a defile. Getting incapped is much worse than being subjected to other classes’ abilities in a 1vX situation.

Wardens have a AOE major defile.They don't sacrifice anything for it a NB have to at least use it in a ultimate. Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.

''Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.''

Yeah buddy, I'll also prefer losing %50 of my healing plus taking %20 more damage and eating a stun, compared to just eating a stun. It just seems like the logical thing, Man , you pro 1vX'ers are really good at math.

Like. Totally logical. They should kick gilliam and hire you instead.

If you losing 50% of your health from incap you need to work on your build im sorry i run well fitted impreg never been hit for health my health on my stamblade or sorc.Heavy stamplar and warden never had that issue either.Rune cage stops me in my tracks and force me to eat damage.I can at least at times dodge incap.

He wrote healing not health... is in major defile from incap lol.

I'll admit i read it wrong everyone messes up.

You good man.

KingJ

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Zeromaz wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Arkangeloski wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Arkangeloski wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.

If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.

Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.

Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.

Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.

And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.

It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.

Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.

I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.

But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”

This guy is delusional... go spam rune cage from an inner keep wall from 40 meters away, or even better! Go do bg's spam rune cage and execute and steal kills all day everyday and go 30k 0d lol easy class my sitting muscle

@Thogard , is this how I look like when I miss your sarcasm? I hope not.

I just had a brain fart... I'm tired man

No you’re good, I think sNB is ridiculously OP and is going to be even more so after the next patch.

But don’t worry, I think mag sorc is pretty close behind.

I’ve watched your stream for about 30 minutes once. The entire time you were talking about how *** NB playstyle is... you call them ridiculously OP and then you go and group up with 4 DKs, who all dragon leap on groups of people and executioner them all.... just how trivial is that gameplay? If you are sick of nightblades cloaking away to reopen on you and you don’t want to slot the needed skills or potions to prevent that from happening, thats your problem. It tells me you’re either lazy or you want this game suited to YOUR playstyle.

You want to talk about trash nightblade players that use all 10 of their abilities slotted when all you do is wait for a leap and then execute. You can train a monkey to play your character.

DK leap needs to get toned down just as much as incap. Your ultimate does decent damage, but the utility it comes with it stupid. Gap closer, CC, damage, reduced cost and/or damage shield.

Is incap change a nerf...? I don’t really care either way. It probably won’t change my gameplay at all. I’m fine with it. We didn’t get any buffs but for some reason, the community thinks so and all you see on the forum the past few days is NB OP nerf them, nerf that... sorc this... its a bunch of mind numbing BS simply because there is some changes happening and people just absolutely have to get their voice heard. Its starting to look like facebook on here.

If your DK is outclassed why are you playing it in pvp? There are plenty of DKs out there who don’t have issues killing NBs or sorcs, which leads me to believe they’re doing something right, and you aren’t.

It's ok. I'm going to finish my stamblade. I will join you soon.

my stream rant about nightblades is a nightly thing. their group utility needs to be buffed, and their single-target kill and mitigate potential needs to be decreased.

having a class that's really OP in Xv1 and 1v1 situations, but really underpowered in group vs group fights that occur at a higher level is not balance. Trading OP in one situation for UP in another situation is not balance. It's the exact opposite.

Every class is really op in Xv1 situations.Templars BOL people you about to kill and POTL you so the group damage is stacked on you.Magsorc stacking curses and rune cage.Nb mark and multiple debuffs.DK stuns and immobilization. Every class is OP in Xv1.Its how ESO works.

If ever class is OP.. then are they actually OP?

NBs are only Stam class that doesn’t have to sacrifice dmg to run a defile. Getting incapped is much worse than being subjected to other classes’ abilities in a 1vX situation.

Wardens have a AOE major defile.They don't sacrifice anything for it a NB have to at least use it in a ultimate. Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.

''Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.''

Yeah buddy, I'll also prefer losing %50 of my healing plus taking %20 more damage and eating a stun, compared to just eating a stun. It just seems like the logical thing, Man , you pro 1vX'ers are really good at math.

Like. Totally logical. They should kick gilliam and hire you instead.

If you losing 50% of your health from incap you need to work on your build im sorry i run well fitted impreg never been hit for health my health on my stamblade or sorc.Heavy stamplar and warden never had that issue either.Rune cage stops me in my tracks and force me to eat damage.I can at least at times dodge incap.

Not only you're a math genius, you're also perfect at reading, oh my, I am so convinced that you should totally replace wrobel, gilliam, and all the class reps and work for all of them instead!


Look buddy.. My post clearly says ''healing'' , and not ''health''. Please, a little more attention into reading. I know its hard for the average stamblade main, but just give it your best shot allright?

Speaking of healing, major defile with befoul can easily achieve %45 healing debuff. (Which no other stam class can have without sacrificing a leg or an arm out of their builds,especially not if they are running a typical 2h/bow or 2h/dw build , based on high damage.)


See how funny this whole argument is , I did not even mention anything about how hard incap hits for. I simply think that incap's damage output is fine, but recovering from getting hit is near impossible due to reasons I will explain now


So lets see, hitting an incap after you mark an enemy, especially if he is on medium, will basically screw him for good., followed by 1 suprise attack weave and 1 execute weave, he will drop dead if he does not react immediately. So after landing the ''I win'' ultimate, your enemy either breaks free into a dodge roll vigor, or he simply dies. Which is fine, you managed to land an ultimate after all. Oh, he did managed to dodge vigor, then what?

He is still defiled, marked,taking %20 extra damage... Surely I would prefer facing rune cage any day. Rune cage, despite what many people believe, isnt what is so toxic about magsorcs.Surely rune cage itself is a broken ability with no counterplay, but the main problem is how rune cage interacts with the rest of the no counterplay magsorc combo. Yes, I called the buzzword. Magsorc combo has absolutely no counterplay other than mitigating it.

Which is one of the many reasons why everyone and their mums wear heavy nowadays. And suprise suprise, stamblades are also the second worst offender, as to why everyone that isn't a nightblade or sorc, is wearing heavy armor.

Calm down i apologized i read it wrong.Get you panties out of your behind.

Ps.I barely play my stamblade anymore I play my stamplar and stamwarden.Since I been playing yellow the last couples of patches and not paying for a slot to make one on yellow.You people cry about NB like they gods who looks at you and you instantly die.

Koensol

Feanor wrote: »

@Koensol

Please do write the novel. Although [insert class] is OP in Xv1 might not be the most enlightening outcome.

Is it that hard to be somewhat objective? I am a nightblade main, both stam and mag. I agreed stamblade needed nerfs because I saw the class for what it was, and playing other classes made me realize stamblade was OP. I actually even believe incap should have the defile removed from it. But magsorc is simply overperforming in summerset. Its clear as day if you play in BG's. The class has by far the most damage output with the least amount of effort required.

Meanwhile, the magsorc community sticks its head in the sand. Scared their little powerhouse of a class will get nerfed. It doesn't hurt to take a step and make an honest comparison. Best mobility in the game, most easily applied burst, best execute, have to sacrifice little for defense, easymode sustain, braindead cc allowing for unavoidable 1 shot combo's, good anti-stealth utility, can do all of their damage at range.. do I really need to continue?

Arkangeloski

KingJ wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Zeromaz wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Arkangeloski wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Arkangeloski wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.

If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.

Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.

Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.

Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.

And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.

It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.

Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.

I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.

But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”

This guy is delusional... go spam rune cage from an inner keep wall from 40 meters away, or even better! Go do bg's spam rune cage and execute and steal kills all day everyday and go 30k 0d lol easy class my sitting muscle

@Thogard , is this how I look like when I miss your sarcasm? I hope not.

I just had a brain fart... I'm tired man

No you’re good, I think sNB is ridiculously OP and is going to be even more so after the next patch.

But don’t worry, I think mag sorc is pretty close behind.

I’ve watched your stream for about 30 minutes once. The entire time you were talking about how *** NB playstyle is... you call them ridiculously OP and then you go and group up with 4 DKs, who all dragon leap on groups of people and executioner them all.... just how trivial is that gameplay? If you are sick of nightblades cloaking away to reopen on you and you don’t want to slot the needed skills or potions to prevent that from happening, thats your problem. It tells me you’re either lazy or you want this game suited to YOUR playstyle.

You want to talk about trash nightblade players that use all 10 of their abilities slotted when all you do is wait for a leap and then execute. You can train a monkey to play your character.

DK leap needs to get toned down just as much as incap. Your ultimate does decent damage, but the utility it comes with it stupid. Gap closer, CC, damage, reduced cost and/or damage shield.

Is incap change a nerf...? I don’t really care either way. It probably won’t change my gameplay at all. I’m fine with it. We didn’t get any buffs but for some reason, the community thinks so and all you see on the forum the past few days is NB OP nerf them, nerf that... sorc this... its a bunch of mind numbing BS simply because there is some changes happening and people just absolutely have to get their voice heard. Its starting to look like facebook on here.

If your DK is outclassed why are you playing it in pvp? There are plenty of DKs out there who don’t have issues killing NBs or sorcs, which leads me to believe they’re doing something right, and you aren’t.

It's ok. I'm going to finish my stamblade. I will join you soon.

my stream rant about nightblades is a nightly thing. their group utility needs to be buffed, and their single-target kill and mitigate potential needs to be decreased.

having a class that's really OP in Xv1 and 1v1 situations, but really underpowered in group vs group fights that occur at a higher level is not balance. Trading OP in one situation for UP in another situation is not balance. It's the exact opposite.

Every class is really op in Xv1 situations.Templars BOL people you about to kill and POTL you so the group damage is stacked on you.Magsorc stacking curses and rune cage.Nb mark and multiple debuffs.DK stuns and immobilization. Every class is OP in Xv1.Its how ESO works.

If ever class is OP.. then are they actually OP?

NBs are only Stam class that doesn’t have to sacrifice dmg to run a defile. Getting incapped is much worse than being subjected to other classes’ abilities in a 1vX situation.

Wardens have a AOE major defile.They don't sacrifice anything for it a NB have to at least use it in a ultimate. Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.

''Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.''

Yeah buddy, I'll also prefer losing %50 of my healing plus taking %20 more damage and eating a stun, compared to just eating a stun. It just seems like the logical thing, Man , you pro 1vX'ers are really good at math.

Like. Totally logical. They should kick gilliam and hire you instead.

If you losing 50% of your health from incap you need to work on your build im sorry i run well fitted impreg never been hit for health my health on my stamblade or sorc.Heavy stamplar and warden never had that issue either.Rune cage stops me in my tracks and force me to eat damage.I can at least at times dodge incap.

Not only you're a math genius, you're also perfect at reading, oh my, I am so convinced that you should totally replace wrobel, gilliam, and all the class reps and work for all of them instead!


Look buddy.. My post clearly says ''healing'' , and not ''health''. Please, a little more attention into reading. I know its hard for the average stamblade main, but just give it your best shot allright?

Speaking of healing, major defile with befoul can easily achieve %45 healing debuff. (Which no other stam class can have without sacrificing a leg or an arm out of their builds,especially not if they are running a typical 2h/bow or 2h/dw build , based on high damage.)


See how funny this whole argument is , I did not even mention anything about how hard incap hits for. I simply think that incap's damage output is fine, but recovering from getting hit is near impossible due to reasons I will explain now


So lets see, hitting an incap after you mark an enemy, especially if he is on medium, will basically screw him for good., followed by 1 suprise attack weave and 1 execute weave, he will drop dead if he does not react immediately. So after landing the ''I win'' ultimate, your enemy either breaks free into a dodge roll vigor, or he simply dies. Which is fine, you managed to land an ultimate after all. Oh, he did managed to dodge vigor, then what?

He is still defiled, marked,taking %20 extra damage... Surely I would prefer facing rune cage any day. Rune cage, despite what many people believe, isnt what is so toxic about magsorcs.Surely rune cage itself is a broken ability with no counterplay, but the main problem is how rune cage interacts with the rest of the no counterplay magsorc combo. Yes, I called the buzzword. Magsorc combo has absolutely no counterplay other than mitigating it.

Which is one of the many reasons why everyone and their mums wear heavy nowadays. And suprise suprise, stamblades are also the second worst offender, as to why everyone that isn't a nightblade or sorc, is wearing heavy armor.

Calm down i apologized i read it wrong.Get you panties out of your behind.

Ps.I barely play my stamblade anymore I play my stamplar and stamwarden.Since I been playing yellow the last couples of patches and not paying for a slot to make one on yellow.You people cry about NB like they gods who looks at you and you instantly die.

I mean all this fuss about defile can't u use a disease (gives major defile as a secondary effect) enchant with a charged bow and a cap ton of cp on befoul? or any weapon actually... there is also the new version of cyrodils crest that procs defile offensively.

IZZEFlameLash

Koensol wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

@Koensol

Please do write the novel. Although [insert class] is OP in Xv1 might not be the most enlightening outcome.

Is it that hard to be somewhat objective? I am a nightblade main, both stam and mag. I agreed stamblade needed nerfs because I saw the class for what it was, and playing other classes made me realize stamblade was OP. I actually even believe incap should have the defile removed from it. But magsorc is simply overperforming in summerset. Its clear as day if you play in BG's. The class has by far the most damage output with the least amount of effort required.

Meanwhile, the magsorc community sticks its head in the sand. Scared their little powerhouse of a class will get nerfed. It doesn't hurt to take a step and make an honest comparison. Best mobility in the game, most easily applied burst, best execute, have to sacrifice little for defense, easymode sustain, braindead cc allowing for unavoidable 1 shot combo's, good anti-stealth utility, can do all of their damage at range.. do I really need to continue?

Same can be said for all NBs. They are so scared to lose their powerhouse that they keep fingerpointing en masse to get other classes nerfed despite their class being the real true OP class with very complete toolkit. It doesn't hurt to take a step and make an honest comparison. Most easily applied burst, best mobility in the game (speed pot + sprinting does wonders), frontloaded burst, a lot of relevant debuffs on enemies to make killing easier, don't have to sacrifice too much to retain damage other classes have to sacrifice certain stats for, easymode sustain, no need to really kite as much as other classes, braindead CC that is an AoE and sometimes do not even let anyone break free until the animation is complete, stealth and possibility of doing all the damage and disappear without getting retaliated. Do I need to continue?

Koensol

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

@Koensol

Please do write the novel. Although [insert class] is OP in Xv1 might not be the most enlightening outcome.

Is it that hard to be somewhat objective? I am a nightblade main, both stam and mag. I agreed stamblade needed nerfs because I saw the class for what it was, and playing other classes made me realize stamblade was OP. I actually even believe incap should have the defile removed from it. But magsorc is simply overperforming in summerset. Its clear as day if you play in BG's. The class has by far the most damage output with the least amount of effort required.

Meanwhile, the magsorc community sticks its head in the sand. Scared their little powerhouse of a class will get nerfed. It doesn't hurt to take a step and make an honest comparison. Best mobility in the game, most easily applied burst, best execute, have to sacrifice little for defense, easymode sustain, braindead cc allowing for unavoidable 1 shot combo's, good anti-stealth utility, can do all of their damage at range.. do I really need to continue?

Same can be said for all NBs. They are so scared to lose their powerhouse that they keep fingerpointing en masse to get other classes nerfed despite their class being the real true OP class with very complete toolkit. It doesn't hurt to take a step and make an honest comparison. Most easily applied burst, best mobility in the game (speed pot + sprinting does wonders), frontloaded burst, a lot of relevant debuffs on enemies to make killing easier, don't have to sacrifice too much to retain damage other classes have to sacrifice certain stats for, easymode sustain, no need to really kite as much as other classes, braindead CC that is an AoE and sometimes do not even let anyone break free until the animation is complete, stealth and possibility of doing all the damage and disappear without getting retaliated. Do I need to continue?

Speed pots and sprint aren't boons of a nightblade. It is utility all stamina classes have. The kiting argument is bs. If you don't kite on a (medium armor) nb, you are dead in seconds in this meta. Also with streak sorcs can get to places other classe cannot (certain rocks in cyrodiil) giving them the upper hand. The other points are correct, the major difference being that sorc burst and cc is unavoidable and all applied from range, making it by far the most easy since they have to take very little risk and have the least chance you burst will be negated. Stamblades need to get into melee and ground AoE range, and their burst is dodgable and blockable. Magblade burst can be countered 100% by dodge, reflect and block, unless they go in melee range and use fear. Sorcs can just lolcast their burst from a platform above and get a tons of kills with little counterplay.

And I am not afraid to get nerfed at all. In fact I advocated nightblade nerfs (unless they are based on bs claims), because I prefer to see an even playing field. Yet we rarely ever see this kind of selfreflection from the sorc community. When well known sorc players go around the forum saying stuff like "everyone knows sorc is pathetic right now, these nerf threads are becoming a joke", other people will simply take over that train of thought. It creates a culture where being critical of sorc class will make you a scapegoat, while hating on nightblades seems to be a thing all the cool kids do. It is so hilarious. Both classes are overperforming and are problematic to the game. Period. Stop ostracizing people who complain about magsorcs, because honestly a lot of the complaints are simply just.

Feanor

@Koensol

The Sorc community? There are a few very outspoken and active Sorcs on the forum. @Derra, @Minalan, @Biro123, @Lord-Otto, @Chilly-McFreeze, myself. Then there are less active and more distinct (coming from a different angle and play style) people like @Dracane and @Emma_Overload. And of course you have top Sorcs like @Irylia or @MalcolM24 who seldom post at all.

What we all did was telling ZOS that the Summerset iteration of RC is probably not a bright idea, as early as April 2018 (page 9 of the Sorc PTS feedback thread). What ZOS did was follow through regardless as usual.

What we all share is playing the most one dimensional class in the game for 4 years. What we all want is a class overhaul. And since we are realistic that this won’t happen we’re at least trying to prevent more nerfs that make Sorc even less fun to play.

Besides, the rest of the Sorc community is quite diverse. The class rep Discord shows a lot of different ideas about what the toolkit should be. We all would like more build choices. I don’t think we’ll ever see these, on the contrary - DW Sorc got killed with Summerset for example.

ZOS can adjust RC or not. I don’t care much any more. It won’t change the fundamental issues the class has, despite this forum always shouting “OMG ez OP class nerf plox”.

Thogard

Feanor wrote: »

@Koensol

The Sorc community? There are a few very outspoken and active Sorcs on the forum. @Derra, @Minalan, @Biro123, @Lord-Otto, @Chilly-McFreeze, myself. Then there are less active and more distinct (coming from a different angle and play style) people like @Dracane and @Emma_Overload. And of course you have top Sorcs like @Irylia or @MalcolM24 who seldom post at all.

What we all did was telling ZOS that the Summerset iteration of RC is probably not a bright idea, as early as April 2018 (page 9 of the Sorc PTS feedback thread). What ZOS did was follow through regardless as usual.

What we all share is playing the most one dimensional class in the game for 4 years. What we all want is a class overhaul. And since we are realistic that this won’t happen we’re at least trying to prevent more nerfs that make Sorc even less fun to play.

Besides, the rest of the Sorc community is quite diverse. The class rep Discord shows a lot of different ideas about what the toolkit should be. We all would like more build choices. I don’t think we’ll ever see these, on the contrary - DW Sorc got killed with Summerset for example.

ZOS can adjust RC or not. I don’t care much any more. It won’t change the fundamental issues the class has, despite this forum always shouting “OMG ez OP class nerf plox”.

Bro this is a nerf nightblade thread. The sorc forum brigade must’ve given you the wrong link. The nerf sorc threads are the ones above and below this one.

Feanor

@Thogard

Every thread is a nerf Sorc or nerf NB thread. Some are just in disguise. Besides, nerf NB

IZZEFlameLash

Koensol wrote: »

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

@Koensol

Please do write the novel. Although [insert class] is OP in Xv1 might not be the most enlightening outcome.

Is it that hard to be somewhat objective? I am a nightblade main, both stam and mag. I agreed stamblade needed nerfs because I saw the class for what it was, and playing other classes made me realize stamblade was OP. I actually even believe incap should have the defile removed from it. But magsorc is simply overperforming in summerset. Its clear as day if you play in BG's. The class has by far the most damage output with the least amount of effort required.

Meanwhile, the magsorc community sticks its head in the sand. Scared their little powerhouse of a class will get nerfed. It doesn't hurt to take a step and make an honest comparison. Best mobility in the game, most easily applied burst, best execute, have to sacrifice little for defense, easymode sustain, braindead cc allowing for unavoidable 1 shot combo's, good anti-stealth utility, can do all of their damage at range.. do I really need to continue?

Same can be said for all NBs. They are so scared to lose their powerhouse that they keep fingerpointing en masse to get other classes nerfed despite their class being the real true OP class with very complete toolkit. It doesn't hurt to take a step and make an honest comparison. Most easily applied burst, best mobility in the game (speed pot + sprinting does wonders), frontloaded burst, a lot of relevant debuffs on enemies to make killing easier, don't have to sacrifice too much to retain damage other classes have to sacrifice certain stats for, easymode sustain, no need to really kite as much as other classes, braindead CC that is an AoE and sometimes do not even let anyone break free until the animation is complete, stealth and possibility of doing all the damage and disappear without getting retaliated. Do I need to continue?

Speed pots and sprint aren't boons of a nightblade. It is utility all stamina classes have. The kiting argument is bs. If you don't kite on a (medium armor) nb, you are dead in seconds in this meta. Also with streak sorcs can get to places other classe cannot (certain rocks in cyrodiil) giving them the upper hand. The other points are correct, the major difference being that sorc burst and cc is unavoidable and all applied from range, making it by far the most easy since they have to take very little risk and have the least chance you burst will be negated. Stamblades need to get into melee and ground AoE range, and their burst is dodgable and blockable. Magblade burst can be countered 100% by dodge, reflect and block, unless they go in melee range and use fear. Sorcs can just lolcast their burst from a platform above and get a tons of kills with little counterplay.

And I am not afraid to get nerfed at all. In fact I advocated nightblade nerfs (unless they are based on bs claims), because I prefer to see an even playing field. Yet we rarely ever see this kind of selfreflection from the sorc community. When well known sorc players go around the forum saying stuff like "everyone knows sorc is pathetic right now, these nerf threads are becoming a joke", other people will simply take over that train of thought. It creates a culture where being critical of sorc class will make you a scapegoat, while hating on nightblades seems to be a thing all the cool kids do. It is so hilarious. Both classes are overperforming and are problematic to the game. Period. Stop ostracizing people who complain about magsorcs, because honestly a lot of the complaints are simply just.

Self reflection is rare yes. I will disagree on kiting but agree that speed pot is stam universal. I disagree on kiting because Stamblades are really great at kiting with their access to Cloak. If you see good Stamblade footages and compare that to any other stam builds, you will get the idea. Stamblade clearly has an edge in kiting, making Stamblade the only class that can use MA to its maximum, especially at the top tier play. What makes speed pots even more potent is also tied to this. Coupled with Cloak, they can go anywhere, appear anywhere virtually unhindered. Therefore, I wouldn't say Stamblade lack mobility in comparison to Sorcs. Streak is a nice tool but it has its XYZ axis limitations as to how far it goes and where it can be used to maximum while sprinting or just Major Expedition in Cloak isn't bound to such limitations given that you don't bump into unclimbable pebble.

But then, all this is off track from OP. To make this post relevant: Stamblades will survive the Incap change. Worse of Stamblade users just need to learn their class kits.

Thogard

https://clips.twitch.tv/DaintyYawningWoodpeckerPoooound

Maybe not running incap isn’t so bad after all

That clip is of my buddy. He just started streaming but didnt have the “save streams to video” option selected until late in the stream. He missed recording a 37-0 BG on a stamblade with no incap >.<

www.twitch.tv/videos/284058406

Koensol

Feanor wrote: »

@Koensol

The Sorc community? There are a few very outspoken and active Sorcs on the forum. @Derra, @Minalan, @Biro123, @Lord-Otto, @Chilly-McFreeze, myself. Then there are less active and more distinct (coming from a different angle and play style) people like @Dracane and @Emma_Overload. And of course you have top Sorcs like @Irylia or @MalcolM24 who seldom post at all.

What we all did was telling ZOS that the Summerset iteration of RC is probably not a bright idea, as early as April 2018 (page 9 of the Sorc PTS feedback thread). What ZOS did was follow through regardless as usual.

What we all share is playing the most one dimensional class in the game for 4 years. What we all want is a class overhaul. And since we are realistic that this won’t happen we’re at least trying to prevent more nerfs that make Sorc even less fun to play.

Besides, the rest of the Sorc community is quite diverse. The class rep Discord shows a lot of different ideas about what the toolkit should be. We all would like more build choices. I don’t think we’ll ever see these, on the contrary - DW Sorc got killed with Summerset for example.

ZOS can adjust RC or not. I don’t care much any more. It won’t change the fundamental issues the class has, despite this forum always shouting “OMG ez OP class nerf plox”.

Hahaha no need to rally all sorcs to this thread lmao I can appreciate the perspective about wanting a class overhaul. Sorcs are very streamlined into a specific playstyle, yet that playstyle is at the same time overperforming badly right now. While I agree with you that it probably will never happen, I don't agree with the sentiment that this is an excuse to stop nerfing things that are overperforming.

I know that people spoke out against ZOS about rune cage, but the point is that it is not JUST rune cage. It is much more than just that, but I am not going to repeat it again. I also don't intend to start a war about who said what, but my general point is that many sorc players, including some of the ones you tagged, will ostracize people who call out the overperformance of magsorc. It has even become a meme: "this is now a nerf sorc thread", "nerf sorc". As if that suddenly makes all of the complaints invalid. Sorcerer has been overperforming for quite some time, along with nifgtblades. Summerset just escalated it into the 'broken' tier.

Derra

Koensol wrote: »

I know that people spoke out against ZOS about rune cage, but the point is that it is not JUST rune cage. It is much more than just that, but I am not going to repeat it again. I also don't intend to start a war about who said what, but my general point is that many sorc players, including some of the ones you tagged, will ostracize people who call out the overperformance of magsorc. It has even become a meme: "this is now a nerf sorc thread", "nerf sorc". As if that suddenly makes all of the complaints invalid. Sorcerer has been overperforming for quite some time, along with nifgtblades. Summerset just escalated it into the 'broken' tier.

Would you do me the favor of explaining what about sorc overperforms outside of cage (or pets in dueling)?
I wouldn´t loose to a sorc before the cage change ever except if i made gross mistakes on all classes i played.

Shoot me a pm if you don´t want to derail the topic.