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Stamblades of the Realm, how do you cope with the Incap change?
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Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.
If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.
Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.
Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.
Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.
And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.
It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.
Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.
I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.
But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”Edited by Thogard on July 10, 2018 7:43AMPC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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IZZEFlameLash✭✭✭✭✭
✭I mean, did they lose fear? That can be very effective with something like Incap. It is not like Meteor where you have to wait for it to actually drop after "OH HEY I AM COMING BBY" indicators.Edited by IZZEFlameLash on July 10, 2018 8:08AMImperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel0 -
Vietfox✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.
If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.
Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.
Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.
Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.
And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.
It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.
Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.
I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.
But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”
Dude, you sound like you got rekt MANY times by NBs, i would check my skills if i were you.
Have i ever been rekt by them? Yes, as a NB or as any other class, but nothing crazy which made me feel that NB class was extremely overperforming. I've also avoided to be killed by other nbs cause i know every detail of that class and how to counter it.
You should play as a NB for a while and see by yourself how wrong you are. You would also get a better knowledge of how the class works by playing it and probably avoid getting rekt by them as well.
PS: i got way more kills/killing blows as a sorc than as a nb.18 -
Vietfox✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭"Stamblades of the Realm, how do you cope with the Incap change?"
Mmm quite funny when you think that the stun has been "removed" from a single target dodgeable ULTIMATE while sorcs get to keep an undodgeable/unblockable ranged 5 secs duration skill which can be casted ANYTIME. Oh, also deals damage when the stun ends... Thank god they reduced it by 20%
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Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭"Stamblades of the Realm, how do you cope with the Incap change?"
Mmm quite funny when you think that the stun has been "removed" from a single target dodgeable ULTIMATE while sorcs get to keep an undodgeable/unblockable ranged 5 secs duration skill which can be casted ANYTIME. Oh, also deals damage when the stun ends... Thank god they reduced it by 20%
I'm not happy about that either. Then again I just don't understand how this game works at all anymore.2 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭Now you gotta actually strategize a little instead of mindlessly pushing buttons and winI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
Want competitive pvp while being outnumbered? Tough luck, the devs clearly said you have to die in those situations6 -
bongtokin420insd16✭✭✭✭Wow such hate for the NB. It makes me feel like any/all achievements i earned are cheap and inferior because NB is the easy mode class and i must just be a casual gamer since i play it. #Crying as i delete the game......Kaz_Wastelander PS4NA6 -
ItsNebula✭✭✭✭✭I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.
If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.
Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.
Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.
Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.
And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.
It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.
Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.
I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.
But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”
Dude, you sound like you got rekt MANY times by NBs, i would check my skills if i were you.
Have i ever been rekt by them? Yes, as a NB or as any other class, but nothing crazy which made me feel that NB class was extremely overperforming. I've also avoided to be killed by other nbs cause i know every detail of that class and how to counter it.
You should play as a NB for a while and see by yourself how wrong you are. You would also get a better knowledge of how the class works by playing it and probably avoid getting rekt by them as well.
PS: i got way more kills/killing blows as a sorc than as a nb.
NB is LITERALLY the ONLY class in the game with a SUPER cheap ult that not to mention, can be popped about twice a minute, sometimes 3 if youre good.. incap gives 20% BONUS damage for what, 8 seconds? A define AND a stun.. the fact that its super hard to dodge incap too bc its the easiest skill to Ani. cancel. Then just spam SA right after. sNB is the ONLY class that anyone can play decent without having to put much skill and effort into it. The ONLY class where u can just throw some random stam sets together and do ok, the ONLY class that hardly takes any skill to play.8 -
ItsNebula✭✭✭✭✭
This is what a GOOD MagSorc thinks about all the time *Ok shields are almost done i have to re-apply, ok i see a burst window, my frags are ready, are my shields still good for another 2-3 seconds? If my shields are down, im vulnerable to be killed easily.. Swap bars and light attack, i got 5 seconds to burst him down, curse, execute, rune cage, frag pop, force pulse execute, re apply shields i got 3 people on me now, streak away to get an advantage, reset the fight, i have sloads on me, need to streak away and heal up a little, re-apply shields, look for that burst window the second they're defenses are down and my frags are proced" etc.. NB.. "Ok incaps up, cloak, incap, SA, spin to win" Literally.... easiest class to play lmfao.4 -
ItsNebula✭✭✭✭✭"Stamblades of the Realm, how do you cope with the Incap change?"
Mmm quite funny when you think that the stun has been "removed" from a single target dodgeable ULTIMATE while sorcs get to keep an undodgeable/unblockable ranged 5 secs duration skill which can be casted ANYTIME. Oh, also deals damage when the stun ends... Thank god they reduced it by 20%
Youre forgetting that Incap also applies a defile, gives 20% bonus damage for 8 seconds, and a good NB can get it to crit for 8k+ and a good NB can pop it 3 times a minute if fighting 2+ people lmfao1 -
Vietfox✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭"Stamblades of the Realm, how do you cope with the Incap change?"
Mmm quite funny when you think that the stun has been "removed" from a single target dodgeable ULTIMATE while sorcs get to keep an undodgeable/unblockable ranged 5 secs duration skill which can be casted ANYTIME. Oh, also deals damage when the stun ends... Thank god they reduced it by 20%
Youre forgetting that Incap also applies a defile, gives 20% bonus damage for 8 seconds, and a good NB can get it to crit for 8k+ and a good NB can pop it 3 times a minute if fighting 2+ people lmfao
Gonna quote just your last comment xD
1- other ultimates like leap or sweep can be easily popped twice in a minute. Incap is single target instead of an AoE like these ones. Overload is also a cheap and really powerful ultimate, i've seen tanky builds suffering only from my overload.
I didnt forget that incap has defile plus dmg bonus, but it's a damn ultimate ffs, there's suposed to be an extra, and it's 6 seconds, not 8.
2- incap super hard to dodge? You must be kidding. Sometimes it's even bugged. Play as a nightblade and learn the mechanics by yourself, not what you read from the forums.
3- spam SA? Thats not how it works xD.
4- your description of how a magsorc fights could be exactly the same for a nightblade. We need to time our attcks, when to use SA for the fracture, weave and count every light/heavy attack for the bow proc, see if target got the shields up, always keep shadow image and be in range... There are many things and you clearly fail to understand how difficult is to play as proper NB.
Also, you streak away just because you got sloads on you? to retreat when you are getting killed is not always the best option. Sometimes best tactic is to hold on so they feel confident, they forget about their defense and then it's when you should attack and kill.
One last thing: spin to win?? Lmao. I dont even remember last time i used tornado on my stamblade. You just proved the poor knowledge you got about NBs by saying "spin to win". Leave the forums, go to cyro as a NB and learn how a nightblade actually works.Edited by Vietfox on July 10, 2018 11:09AM8 -
Vietfox✭✭✭✭✭
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This is what a GOOD MagSorc thinks about all the time *Ok shields are almost done i have to re-apply, ok i see a burst window, my frags are ready, are my shields still good for another 2-3 seconds? If my shields are down, im vulnerable to be killed easily.. Swap bars and light attack, i got 5 seconds to burst him down, curse, execute, rune cage, frag pop, force pulse execute, re apply shields i got 3 people on me now, streak away to get an advantage, reset the fight, i have sloads on me, need to streak away and heal up a little, re-apply shields, look for that burst window the second they're defenses are down and my frags are proced" etc.. NB.. "Ok incaps up, cloak, incap, SA, spin to win" Literally.... easiest class to play lmfao.
Also, do you know how difficult is to fight a good sorc in 1v1 without shieldbreaker? We nbs either just try to go through shields (not effective against a good magsorc, especially with lich) or dry your stamina till you can't break free by using poisons, fear, etc... And then use all our burst.
If a good sorc manages to apply curse and rune on a nightblade, especially to a magicka one, we are pretty much *** xD2 -
bongtokin420insd16✭✭✭✭We have more to think about than that lol its obvious you don't play NB much. I don't play sorc either so im not judging, im just saying maybe open the mind a little.
Its like saying all a tank does is taunt and not die. Not true at all.Kaz_Wastelander PS4NA1 -
Extinct_Solo_Player✭✭✭✭✭Sure give me your incap and i'll give leap without a second's thought lmao0 -
nekura✭✭✭Run a shadow skill on your frontbar. Weapon swap > health lower on incap bar. Pretty short sighted nerf from ZoS as usual.
e: boldedEdited by nekura on July 10, 2018 2:24PM4 -
Vietfox✭✭✭✭✭
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If you place an extra shadow skill on the same bar where your incap is, when you swap to that bar your health increases due to the shadow health passive, giving you a couple of seconds to stun with your incap before your health is at 100%Edited by Vietfox on July 10, 2018 1:46PM4 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
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If you place a shadow skill on the same bar where your incap is, when you swap to that bar your health increases due to the shadow health passive, giving you a couple of seconds to stun with your incap before your health is at 100%
Yep i got it. He just wrote it so that i misunderstood (shadow skill needs to be on incap bar, not backbar, but he probably meant he has incap on backbar, or "weapon swap twice").
Also, this will only work if the target is at full HP(or else only damaged so little as the NB can damage himself by bar swapping).Edited by Sharee on July 10, 2018 1:49PM0 -
ChunkyCat✭✭✭✭✭
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... hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”
Tell us how you really feel
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Sun7dance✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Actually i really don't need the stun. Most of the times players can not be stunned anyway.
With a Dot build you don't care about the missing stun (ok, maybe the passive of DW).
Besides you still have mass hysteria and cloak + surprise attack.
All in all this change is the slightest evil in my eyes.Edited by Sun7dance on July 10, 2018 2:01PMPS5|EU3 -
Vietfox✭✭✭✭✭
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If you place a shadow skill on the same bar where your incap is, when you swap to that bar your health increases due to the shadow health passive, giving you a couple of seconds to stun with your incap before your health is at 100%
Yep i got it. He just wrote it so that i misunderstood (shadow skill needs to be on incap bar, not backbar, but he probably meant he has incap on backbar, or "weapon swap twice").
Also, this will only work if the target is at full HP(or else only damaged so little as the NB can damage himself by bar swapping).
I guess that would be an alternative only for ganking stuff, but i don't usually gank. Lol, i'm even thinking of droping cloak for a while and use something else, both on my magicka and stamina nbs. Downside is that i would be more exposed to curse-cage combo, cloak is a good way to not let sorcs chain their burst combo.0 -
nekura✭✭✭Yeah, you get what I mean. It's only for your alpha strike. I still prefer DBoS on my stamBlade. The animation is so *** on Incap, I've just had too many people walk out of the range and you can't anim cancel it 100% of the time like DB.1
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Micah_Bayer✭✭✭✭✭I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.
If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.
Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.
Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.
Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.
And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.
It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.
Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.
I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.
But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”
Dude, you sound like you got rekt MANY times by NBs, i would check my skills if i were you.
Have i ever been rekt by them? Yes, as a NB or as any other class, but nothing crazy which made me feel that NB class was extremely overperforming. I've also avoided to be killed by other nbs cause i know every detail of that class and how to counter it.
You should play as a NB for a while and see by yourself how wrong you are. You would also get a better knowledge of how the class works by playing it and probably avoid getting rekt by them as well.
PS: i got way more kills/killing blows as a sorc than as a nb.
You would get more kb as a sorc...but I bet you are not the one who got them in execute range3 -
Vietfox✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Micah_Bayer wrote: »I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.
If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.
Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.
Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.
Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.
And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.
It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.
Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.
I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.
But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”
Dude, you sound like you got rekt MANY times by NBs, i would check my skills if i were you.
Have i ever been rekt by them? Yes, as a NB or as any other class, but nothing crazy which made me feel that NB class was extremely overperforming. I've also avoided to be killed by other nbs cause i know every detail of that class and how to counter it.
You should play as a NB for a while and see by yourself how wrong you are. You would also get a better knowledge of how the class works by playing it and probably avoid getting rekt by them as well.
PS: i got way more kills/killing blows as a sorc than as a nb.
You would get more kb as a sorc...but I bet you are not the one who got them in execute range
Wut? XD not sure if i understand what u mean, but in any case, i said both kills AND killing blowsEdited by Vietfox on July 10, 2018 3:29PM0