Stamblades of the Realm, how do you cope with the Incap change?

Koensol

Derra wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

I know that people spoke out against ZOS about rune cage, but the point is that it is not JUST rune cage. It is much more than just that, but I am not going to repeat it again. I also don't intend to start a war about who said what, but my general point is that many sorc players, including some of the ones you tagged, will ostracize people who call out the overperformance of magsorc. It has even become a meme: "this is now a nerf sorc thread", "nerf sorc". As if that suddenly makes all of the complaints invalid. Sorcerer has been overperforming for quite some time, along with nifgtblades. Summerset just escalated it into the 'broken' tier.

Would you do me the favor of explaining what about sorc overperforms outside of cage (or pets in dueling)?
I wouldn´t loose to a sorc before the cage change ever except if i made gross mistakes on all classes i played.

Shoot me a pm if you don´t want to derail the topic.

Read my other posts higher on the page for my opinion. But I agree let's stop derailing this thread.

Lord-Otto

Koensol wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

@Koensol

The Sorc community? There are a few very outspoken and active Sorcs on the forum. @Derra, @Minalan, @Biro123, @Lord-Otto, @Chilly-McFreeze, myself. Then there are less active and more distinct (coming from a different angle and play style) people like @Dracane and @Emma_Overload. And of course you have top Sorcs like @Irylia or @MalcolM24 who seldom post at all.

What we all did was telling ZOS that the Summerset iteration of RC is probably not a bright idea, as early as April 2018 (page 9 of the Sorc PTS feedback thread). What ZOS did was follow through regardless as usual.

What we all share is playing the most one dimensional class in the game for 4 years. What we all want is a class overhaul. And since we are realistic that this won’t happen we’re at least trying to prevent more nerfs that make Sorc even less fun to play.

Besides, the rest of the Sorc community is quite diverse. The class rep Discord shows a lot of different ideas about what the toolkit should be. We all would like more build choices. I don’t think we’ll ever see these, on the contrary - DW Sorc got killed with Summerset for example.

ZOS can adjust RC or not. I don’t care much any more. It won’t change the fundamental issues the class has, despite this forum always shouting “OMG ez OP class nerf plox”.

Hahaha no need to rally all sorcs to this thread lmao I can appreciate the perspective about wanting a class overhaul. Sorcs are very streamlined into a specific playstyle, yet that playstyle is at the same time overperforming badly right now. While I agree with you that it probably will never happen, I don't agree with the sentiment that this is an excuse to stop nerfing things that are overperforming.

I know that people spoke out against ZOS about rune cage, but the point is that it is not JUST rune cage. It is much more than just that, but I am not going to repeat it again. I also don't intend to start a war about who said what, but my general point is that many sorc players, including some of the ones you tagged, will ostracize people who call out the overperformance of magsorc. It has even become a meme: "this is now a nerf sorc thread", "nerf sorc". As if that suddenly makes all of the complaints invalid. Sorcerer has been overperforming for quite some time, along with nifgtblades. Summerset just escalated it into the 'broken' tier.

The "nerf sorc thread" meme was before Summerset, though. And that class surely wasn't overperforming then, despite the claims of certain people.
If NBs are unhappy with the new Incap, they can always go Dawnbreaker, one of the very best ultimates in the game.

Nyladreas

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

@Koensol

The Sorc community? There are a few very outspoken and active Sorcs on the forum. @Derra, @Minalan, @Biro123, @Lord-Otto, @Chilly-McFreeze, myself. Then there are less active and more distinct (coming from a different angle and play style) people like @Dracane and @Emma_Overload. And of course you have top Sorcs like @Irylia or @MalcolM24 who seldom post at all.

What we all did was telling ZOS that the Summerset iteration of RC is probably not a bright idea, as early as April 2018 (page 9 of the Sorc PTS feedback thread). What ZOS did was follow through regardless as usual.

What we all share is playing the most one dimensional class in the game for 4 years. What we all want is a class overhaul. And since we are realistic that this won’t happen we’re at least trying to prevent more nerfs that make Sorc even less fun to play.

Besides, the rest of the Sorc community is quite diverse. The class rep Discord shows a lot of different ideas about what the toolkit should be. We all would like more build choices. I don’t think we’ll ever see these, on the contrary - DW Sorc got killed with Summerset for example.

ZOS can adjust RC or not. I don’t care much any more. It won’t change the fundamental issues the class has, despite this forum always shouting “OMG ez OP class nerf plox”.

Hahaha no need to rally all sorcs to this thread lmao I can appreciate the perspective about wanting a class overhaul. Sorcs are very streamlined into a specific playstyle, yet that playstyle is at the same time overperforming badly right now. While I agree with you that it probably will never happen, I don't agree with the sentiment that this is an excuse to stop nerfing things that are overperforming.

I know that people spoke out against ZOS about rune cage, but the point is that it is not JUST rune cage. It is much more than just that, but I am not going to repeat it again. I also don't intend to start a war about who said what, but my general point is that many sorc players, including some of the ones you tagged, will ostracize people who call out the overperformance of magsorc. It has even become a meme: "this is now a nerf sorc thread", "nerf sorc". As if that suddenly makes all of the complaints invalid. Sorcerer has been overperforming for quite some time, along with nifgtblades. Summerset just escalated it into the 'broken' tier.

The "nerf sorc thread" meme was before Summerset, though. And that class surely wasn't overperforming then, despite the claims of certain people.
If NBs are unhappy with the new Incap, they can always go Dawnbreaker, one of the very best ultimates in the game.

And you see no problem with what you just said? Idc about the change to incap, but don't you think it's seriously dumb to promote a single ultimate even mags use cause of how op it is?

Lord-Otto

Nyladreas wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

@Koensol

The Sorc community? There are a few very outspoken and active Sorcs on the forum. @Derra, @Minalan, @Biro123, @Lord-Otto, @Chilly-McFreeze, myself. Then there are less active and more distinct (coming from a different angle and play style) people like @Dracane and @Emma_Overload. And of course you have top Sorcs like @Irylia or @MalcolM24 who seldom post at all.

What we all did was telling ZOS that the Summerset iteration of RC is probably not a bright idea, as early as April 2018 (page 9 of the Sorc PTS feedback thread). What ZOS did was follow through regardless as usual.

What we all share is playing the most one dimensional class in the game for 4 years. What we all want is a class overhaul. And since we are realistic that this won’t happen we’re at least trying to prevent more nerfs that make Sorc even less fun to play.

Besides, the rest of the Sorc community is quite diverse. The class rep Discord shows a lot of different ideas about what the toolkit should be. We all would like more build choices. I don’t think we’ll ever see these, on the contrary - DW Sorc got killed with Summerset for example.

ZOS can adjust RC or not. I don’t care much any more. It won’t change the fundamental issues the class has, despite this forum always shouting “OMG ez OP class nerf plox”.

Hahaha no need to rally all sorcs to this thread lmao I can appreciate the perspective about wanting a class overhaul. Sorcs are very streamlined into a specific playstyle, yet that playstyle is at the same time overperforming badly right now. While I agree with you that it probably will never happen, I don't agree with the sentiment that this is an excuse to stop nerfing things that are overperforming.

I know that people spoke out against ZOS about rune cage, but the point is that it is not JUST rune cage. It is much more than just that, but I am not going to repeat it again. I also don't intend to start a war about who said what, but my general point is that many sorc players, including some of the ones you tagged, will ostracize people who call out the overperformance of magsorc. It has even become a meme: "this is now a nerf sorc thread", "nerf sorc". As if that suddenly makes all of the complaints invalid. Sorcerer has been overperforming for quite some time, along with nifgtblades. Summerset just escalated it into the 'broken' tier.

The "nerf sorc thread" meme was before Summerset, though. And that class surely wasn't overperforming then, despite the claims of certain people.
If NBs are unhappy with the new Incap, they can always go Dawnbreaker, one of the very best ultimates in the game.

And you see no problem with what you just said? Idc about the change to incap, but don't you think it's seriously dumb to promote a single ultimate even mags use cause of how op it is?

What would you do about it? Nerf DB? Honestly, maybe this would be justified, hm... Ah, better not.
But no, I said IF you're unhappy. I think Incap will still be fine. It just forces a certain timing on you. Basically, your burst will now have to come while taking damage, instead of safely and fully-healed from stealth. That has actually been the case for many classes already, so it should be fine.

Feanor

@Nyladreas

That mag chars are using DBoS isn’t because DBoS is so OP (to me it’s strength lies in the fact that it can be almost completely cancelled and you don’t even see the animation especially with a bit of lag). Mag chars use it because mag really has no good damage ultimate outside Destro Ult stacking or, ironically, Incap.

As for Incap I don’t think much will change. The good NBs will still have all that front up burst, while the bad ones will find it a bit harder. It could have been a much worse adjustment.

technohic

The problem with NB and Sorc is they have each other to compare and ZOS seems to not want to nerf either class substantially, which is fine. The problem is, they also seem to be afraid to buff the other classes.

Patch notes for Warden are kind of a joke and mag Warden is very mediocre while stam is a one trick pony. They give Templars something but take more away to where it’s a net loss. I’m not sure about DKs. MagDK seem to be decent and I doubt stamdk is getting any kind of renaissance this patch.

I’ve honestly been playing my NB more and might do my sorc more. I just hate keeping shields up but it’s probably little different than keeping vigor, rally, and shuffle up all the time. Thing is, either one has better resource management and escape than my Stamplar, more survival partly because of that, and easier to play outside of making creative use of even more utility in shadow image and streak or great stun options that other classes don’t even have the luxury to even think about.

If they would buff the other classes who are typically less bursty and suppose to be tanky; maybe the discussion wouldn’t be about the classes with the most upfront or backloaded burst all the time.

Dracane

I don't like the changes to incap strike. This forth and back with nerfs and buffs is tiresome (for those who remember it, Incap Strike once used to be as it is now, where you can only stun people with higher health than yourself)

Some decisions should just stay, instead of changing them over and over. I believe, incap is not strong because of its stun necessarily, but because of how many strong debuffs it applies, for such a low cost ultimate. While I understand the frustration of Nightblades being probably the only stamina class that doesn't rely on Dawnbreaker, we should bring other classes in line with Nightblades, rather than nerfing them. When I think about, magicka NB is also the only magicka spec not reliant on meteor or soul assault.

Nightblades seem fine to me, Stamina Nightblades anyway.

Irylia

I just want frag stun.
Remove easy mode rc sorc. Duels have just become a rinse repeat of meteor rc combo and hoping you get the kill. It’s disgraceful to how sorc used to work and is honestly why I spend more of my time playing other classes for group play and my Msorc less and less.

Minalan

Irylia wrote: »

I just want frag stun.
Remove easy mode rc sorc. Duels have just become a rinse repeat of meteor rc combo and hoping you get the kill. It’s disgraceful to how sorc used to work and is honestly why I spend more of my time playing other classes for group play and my Msorc less and less.

On a more hilarious note, I got hit by a meteor/fossil combo yesterday.

It’s like. A DK got so frustrated he was all - no YOU eat this!

Emma_Overload

Minalan wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

I just want frag stun.
Remove easy mode rc sorc. Duels have just become a rinse repeat of meteor rc combo and hoping you get the kill. It’s disgraceful to how sorc used to work and is honestly why I spend more of my time playing other classes for group play and my Msorc less and less.

On a more hilarious note, I got hit by a meteor/fossil combo yesterday.

It’s like. A DK got so frustrated he was all - no YOU eat this!

I've run into a few DKs doing this lately. I'm surprised more of them don't. Maybe they're just used to leaping and don't want to change?

Lord-Otto

Irylia wrote: »

I just want frag stun.
Remove easy mode rc sorc. Duels have just become a rinse repeat of meteor rc combo and hoping you get the kill. It’s disgraceful to how sorc used to work and is honestly why I spend more of my time playing other classes for group play and my Msorc less and less.

But then how do you include Meteor in your combo?

Ragnarock41

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I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.

If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.

Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.

Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.

Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.

And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.

It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.

Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.

I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.

But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”

This guy is delusional... go spam rune cage from an inner keep wall from 40 meters away, or even better! Go do bg's spam rune cage and execute and steal kills all day everyday and go 30k 0d lol easy class my sitting muscle

@Thogard , is this how I look like when I miss your sarcasm? I hope not.

I just had a brain fart... I'm tired man

No you’re good, I think sNB is ridiculously OP and is going to be even more so after the next patch.

But don’t worry, I think mag sorc is pretty close behind.

I’ve watched your stream for about 30 minutes once. The entire time you were talking about how *** NB playstyle is... you call them ridiculously OP and then you go and group up with 4 DKs, who all dragon leap on groups of people and executioner them all.... just how trivial is that gameplay? If you are sick of nightblades cloaking away to reopen on you and you don’t want to slot the needed skills or potions to prevent that from happening, thats your problem. It tells me you’re either lazy or you want this game suited to YOUR playstyle.

You want to talk about trash nightblade players that use all 10 of their abilities slotted when all you do is wait for a leap and then execute. You can train a monkey to play your character.

DK leap needs to get toned down just as much as incap. Your ultimate does decent damage, but the utility it comes with it stupid. Gap closer, CC, damage, reduced cost and/or damage shield.

Is incap change a nerf...? I don’t really care either way. It probably won’t change my gameplay at all. I’m fine with it. We didn’t get any buffs but for some reason, the community thinks so and all you see on the forum the past few days is NB OP nerf them, nerf that... sorc this... its a bunch of mind numbing BS simply because there is some changes happening and people just absolutely have to get their voice heard. Its starting to look like facebook on here.

If your DK is outclassed why are you playing it in pvp? There are plenty of DKs out there who don’t have issues killing NBs or sorcs, which leads me to believe they’re doing something right, and you aren’t.

It's ok. I'm going to finish my stamblade. I will join you soon.

my stream rant about nightblades is a nightly thing. their group utility needs to be buffed, and their single-target kill and mitigate potential needs to be decreased.

having a class that's really OP in Xv1 and 1v1 situations, but really underpowered in group vs group fights that occur at a higher level is not balance. Trading OP in one situation for UP in another situation is not balance. It's the exact opposite.

Every class is really op in Xv1 situations.Templars BOL people you about to kill and POTL you so the group damage is stacked on you.Magsorc stacking curses and rune cage.Nb mark and multiple debuffs.DK stuns and immobilization. Every class is OP in Xv1.Its how ESO works.

If ever class is OP.. then are they actually OP?

NBs are only Stam class that doesn’t have to sacrifice dmg to run a defile. Getting incapped is much worse than being subjected to other classes’ abilities in a 1vX situation.

Wardens have a AOE major defile.They don't sacrifice anything for it a NB have to at least use it in a ultimate. Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.

''Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.''

Yeah buddy, I'll also prefer losing %50 of my healing plus taking %20 more damage and eating a stun, compared to just eating a stun. It just seems like the logical thing, Man , you pro 1vX'ers are really good at math.

Like. Totally logical. They should kick gilliam and hire you instead.

If you losing 50% of your health from incap you need to work on your build im sorry i run well fitted impreg never been hit for health my health on my stamblade or sorc.Heavy stamplar and warden never had that issue either.Rune cage stops me in my tracks and force me to eat damage.I can at least at times dodge incap.

Not only you're a math genius, you're also perfect at reading, oh my, I am so convinced that you should totally replace wrobel, gilliam, and all the class reps and work for all of them instead!


Look buddy.. My post clearly says ''healing'' , and not ''health''. Please, a little more attention into reading. I know its hard for the average stamblade main, but just give it your best shot allright?

Speaking of healing, major defile with befoul can easily achieve %45 healing debuff. (Which no other stam class can have without sacrificing a leg or an arm out of their builds,especially not if they are running a typical 2h/bow or 2h/dw build , based on high damage.)


See how funny this whole argument is , I did not even mention anything about how hard incap hits for. I simply think that incap's damage output is fine, but recovering from getting hit is near impossible due to reasons I will explain now


So lets see, hitting an incap after you mark an enemy, especially if he is on medium, will basically screw him for good., followed by 1 suprise attack weave and 1 execute weave, he will drop dead if he does not react immediately. So after landing the ''I win'' ultimate, your enemy either breaks free into a dodge roll vigor, or he simply dies. Which is fine, you managed to land an ultimate after all. Oh, he did managed to dodge vigor, then what?

He is still defiled, marked,taking %20 extra damage... Surely I would prefer facing rune cage any day. Rune cage, despite what many people believe, isnt what is so toxic about magsorcs.Surely rune cage itself is a broken ability with no counterplay, but the main problem is how rune cage interacts with the rest of the no counterplay magsorc combo. Yes, I called the buzzword. Magsorc combo has absolutely no counterplay other than mitigating it.

Which is one of the many reasons why everyone and their mums wear heavy nowadays. And suprise suprise, stamblades are also the second worst offender, as to why everyone that isn't a nightblade or sorc, is wearing heavy armor.

Calm down i apologized i read it wrong.Get you panties out of your behind.

Ps.I barely play my stamblade anymore I play my stamplar and stamwarden.Since I been playing yellow the last couples of patches and not paying for a slot to make one on yellow.You people cry about NB like they gods who looks at you and you instantly die.

I mean all this fuss about defile can't u use a disease (gives major defile as a secondary effect) enchant with a charged bow and a cap ton of cp on befoul? or any weapon actually... there is also the new version of cyrodils crest that procs defile offensively.

Are you for real?

rimmidimdim

The sorc nb war wages on with no end in site. I know how to stop the war. I think they should change frags too instantly kill any NB. And also change Ambush to instantly kill any sorc. Something along those lines. Then they would be even in all eyes. Cheers

_Salty_

Use fear.

Arkangeloski

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KingJ wrote: »

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Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Arkangeloski wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.

If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.

Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.

Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.

Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.

And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.

It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.

Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.

I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.

But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”

This guy is delusional... go spam rune cage from an inner keep wall from 40 meters away, or even better! Go do bg's spam rune cage and execute and steal kills all day everyday and go 30k 0d lol easy class my sitting muscle

@Thogard , is this how I look like when I miss your sarcasm? I hope not.

I just had a brain fart... I'm tired man

No you’re good, I think sNB is ridiculously OP and is going to be even more so after the next patch.

But don’t worry, I think mag sorc is pretty close behind.

I’ve watched your stream for about 30 minutes once. The entire time you were talking about how *** NB playstyle is... you call them ridiculously OP and then you go and group up with 4 DKs, who all dragon leap on groups of people and executioner them all.... just how trivial is that gameplay? If you are sick of nightblades cloaking away to reopen on you and you don’t want to slot the needed skills or potions to prevent that from happening, thats your problem. It tells me you’re either lazy or you want this game suited to YOUR playstyle.

You want to talk about trash nightblade players that use all 10 of their abilities slotted when all you do is wait for a leap and then execute. You can train a monkey to play your character.

DK leap needs to get toned down just as much as incap. Your ultimate does decent damage, but the utility it comes with it stupid. Gap closer, CC, damage, reduced cost and/or damage shield.

Is incap change a nerf...? I don’t really care either way. It probably won’t change my gameplay at all. I’m fine with it. We didn’t get any buffs but for some reason, the community thinks so and all you see on the forum the past few days is NB OP nerf them, nerf that... sorc this... its a bunch of mind numbing BS simply because there is some changes happening and people just absolutely have to get their voice heard. Its starting to look like facebook on here.

If your DK is outclassed why are you playing it in pvp? There are plenty of DKs out there who don’t have issues killing NBs or sorcs, which leads me to believe they’re doing something right, and you aren’t.

It's ok. I'm going to finish my stamblade. I will join you soon.

my stream rant about nightblades is a nightly thing. their group utility needs to be buffed, and their single-target kill and mitigate potential needs to be decreased.

having a class that's really OP in Xv1 and 1v1 situations, but really underpowered in group vs group fights that occur at a higher level is not balance. Trading OP in one situation for UP in another situation is not balance. It's the exact opposite.

Every class is really op in Xv1 situations.Templars BOL people you about to kill and POTL you so the group damage is stacked on you.Magsorc stacking curses and rune cage.Nb mark and multiple debuffs.DK stuns and immobilization. Every class is OP in Xv1.Its how ESO works.

If ever class is OP.. then are they actually OP?

NBs are only Stam class that doesn’t have to sacrifice dmg to run a defile. Getting incapped is much worse than being subjected to other classes’ abilities in a 1vX situation.

Wardens have a AOE major defile.They don't sacrifice anything for it a NB have to at least use it in a ultimate. Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.

''Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.''

Yeah buddy, I'll also prefer losing %50 of my healing plus taking %20 more damage and eating a stun, compared to just eating a stun. It just seems like the logical thing, Man , you pro 1vX'ers are really good at math.

Like. Totally logical. They should kick gilliam and hire you instead.

If you losing 50% of your health from incap you need to work on your build im sorry i run well fitted impreg never been hit for health my health on my stamblade or sorc.Heavy stamplar and warden never had that issue either.Rune cage stops me in my tracks and force me to eat damage.I can at least at times dodge incap.

Not only you're a math genius, you're also perfect at reading, oh my, I am so convinced that you should totally replace wrobel, gilliam, and all the class reps and work for all of them instead!


Look buddy.. My post clearly says ''healing'' , and not ''health''. Please, a little more attention into reading. I know its hard for the average stamblade main, but just give it your best shot allright?

Speaking of healing, major defile with befoul can easily achieve %45 healing debuff. (Which no other stam class can have without sacrificing a leg or an arm out of their builds,especially not if they are running a typical 2h/bow or 2h/dw build , based on high damage.)


See how funny this whole argument is , I did not even mention anything about how hard incap hits for. I simply think that incap's damage output is fine, but recovering from getting hit is near impossible due to reasons I will explain now


So lets see, hitting an incap after you mark an enemy, especially if he is on medium, will basically screw him for good., followed by 1 suprise attack weave and 1 execute weave, he will drop dead if he does not react immediately. So after landing the ''I win'' ultimate, your enemy either breaks free into a dodge roll vigor, or he simply dies. Which is fine, you managed to land an ultimate after all. Oh, he did managed to dodge vigor, then what?

He is still defiled, marked,taking %20 extra damage... Surely I would prefer facing rune cage any day. Rune cage, despite what many people believe, isnt what is so toxic about magsorcs.Surely rune cage itself is a broken ability with no counterplay, but the main problem is how rune cage interacts with the rest of the no counterplay magsorc combo. Yes, I called the buzzword. Magsorc combo has absolutely no counterplay other than mitigating it.

Which is one of the many reasons why everyone and their mums wear heavy nowadays. And suprise suprise, stamblades are also the second worst offender, as to why everyone that isn't a nightblade or sorc, is wearing heavy armor.

Calm down i apologized i read it wrong.Get you panties out of your behind.

Ps.I barely play my stamblade anymore I play my stamplar and stamwarden.Since I been playing yellow the last couples of patches and not paying for a slot to make one on yellow.You people cry about NB like they gods who looks at you and you instantly die.

I mean all this fuss about defile can't u use a disease (gives major defile as a secondary effect) enchant with a charged bow and a cap ton of cp on befoul? or any weapon actually... there is also the new version of cyrodils crest that procs defile offensively.

Are you for real?

No but people keep saying incap is the one and only defile source in the whole game and that is false lol decease charged enchant boost the secondary effect by 110% and I have used it on my buff bar before and you can make it work... but again I'm not telling you is the best but it is another source that's all... please put away your torch and pitchfork I come in peace.

Kram8ion

Haa, still chuckling at "super hard to dodge"

Thogard

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I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.

If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.

Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.

Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.

Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.

And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.

It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.

Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.

I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.

But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”

This guy is delusional... go spam rune cage from an inner keep wall from 40 meters away, or even better! Go do bg's spam rune cage and execute and steal kills all day everyday and go 30k 0d lol easy class my sitting muscle

@Thogard , is this how I look like when I miss your sarcasm? I hope not.

I just had a brain fart... I'm tired man

No you’re good, I think sNB is ridiculously OP and is going to be even more so after the next patch.

But don’t worry, I think mag sorc is pretty close behind.

I’ve watched your stream for about 30 minutes once. The entire time you were talking about how *** NB playstyle is... you call them ridiculously OP and then you go and group up with 4 DKs, who all dragon leap on groups of people and executioner them all.... just how trivial is that gameplay? If you are sick of nightblades cloaking away to reopen on you and you don’t want to slot the needed skills or potions to prevent that from happening, thats your problem. It tells me you’re either lazy or you want this game suited to YOUR playstyle.

You want to talk about trash nightblade players that use all 10 of their abilities slotted when all you do is wait for a leap and then execute. You can train a monkey to play your character.

DK leap needs to get toned down just as much as incap. Your ultimate does decent damage, but the utility it comes with it stupid. Gap closer, CC, damage, reduced cost and/or damage shield.

Is incap change a nerf...? I don’t really care either way. It probably won’t change my gameplay at all. I’m fine with it. We didn’t get any buffs but for some reason, the community thinks so and all you see on the forum the past few days is NB OP nerf them, nerf that... sorc this... its a bunch of mind numbing BS simply because there is some changes happening and people just absolutely have to get their voice heard. Its starting to look like facebook on here.

If your DK is outclassed why are you playing it in pvp? There are plenty of DKs out there who don’t have issues killing NBs or sorcs, which leads me to believe they’re doing something right, and you aren’t.

It's ok. I'm going to finish my stamblade. I will join you soon.

my stream rant about nightblades is a nightly thing. their group utility needs to be buffed, and their single-target kill and mitigate potential needs to be decreased.

having a class that's really OP in Xv1 and 1v1 situations, but really underpowered in group vs group fights that occur at a higher level is not balance. Trading OP in one situation for UP in another situation is not balance. It's the exact opposite.

Every class is really op in Xv1 situations.Templars BOL people you about to kill and POTL you so the group damage is stacked on you.Magsorc stacking curses and rune cage.Nb mark and multiple debuffs.DK stuns and immobilization. Every class is OP in Xv1.Its how ESO works.

If ever class is OP.. then are they actually OP?

NBs are only Stam class that doesn’t have to sacrifice dmg to run a defile. Getting incapped is much worse than being subjected to other classes’ abilities in a 1vX situation.

Wardens have a AOE major defile.They don't sacrifice anything for it a NB have to at least use it in a ultimate. Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.

''Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.''

Yeah buddy, I'll also prefer losing %50 of my healing plus taking %20 more damage and eating a stun, compared to just eating a stun. It just seems like the logical thing, Man , you pro 1vX'ers are really good at math.

Like. Totally logical. They should kick gilliam and hire you instead.

If you losing 50% of your health from incap you need to work on your build im sorry i run well fitted impreg never been hit for health my health on my stamblade or sorc.Heavy stamplar and warden never had that issue either.Rune cage stops me in my tracks and force me to eat damage.I can at least at times dodge incap.

Not only you're a math genius, you're also perfect at reading, oh my, I am so convinced that you should totally replace wrobel, gilliam, and all the class reps and work for all of them instead!


Look buddy.. My post clearly says ''healing'' , and not ''health''. Please, a little more attention into reading. I know its hard for the average stamblade main, but just give it your best shot allright?

Speaking of healing, major defile with befoul can easily achieve %45 healing debuff. (Which no other stam class can have without sacrificing a leg or an arm out of their builds,especially not if they are running a typical 2h/bow or 2h/dw build , based on high damage.)


See how funny this whole argument is , I did not even mention anything about how hard incap hits for. I simply think that incap's damage output is fine, but recovering from getting hit is near impossible due to reasons I will explain now


So lets see, hitting an incap after you mark an enemy, especially if he is on medium, will basically screw him for good., followed by 1 suprise attack weave and 1 execute weave, he will drop dead if he does not react immediately. So after landing the ''I win'' ultimate, your enemy either breaks free into a dodge roll vigor, or he simply dies. Which is fine, you managed to land an ultimate after all. Oh, he did managed to dodge vigor, then what?

He is still defiled, marked,taking %20 extra damage... Surely I would prefer facing rune cage any day. Rune cage, despite what many people believe, isnt what is so toxic about magsorcs.Surely rune cage itself is a broken ability with no counterplay, but the main problem is how rune cage interacts with the rest of the no counterplay magsorc combo. Yes, I called the buzzword. Magsorc combo has absolutely no counterplay other than mitigating it.

Which is one of the many reasons why everyone and their mums wear heavy nowadays. And suprise suprise, stamblades are also the second worst offender, as to why everyone that isn't a nightblade or sorc, is wearing heavy armor.

Calm down i apologized i read it wrong.Get you panties out of your behind.

Ps.I barely play my stamblade anymore I play my stamplar and stamwarden.Since I been playing yellow the last couples of patches and not paying for a slot to make one on yellow.You people cry about NB like they gods who looks at you and you instantly die.

I mean all this fuss about defile can't u use a disease (gives major defile as a secondary effect) enchant with a charged bow and a cap ton of cp on befoul? or any weapon actually... there is also the new version of cyrodils crest that procs defile offensively.

Are you for real?

No but people keep saying incap is the one and only defile source in the whole game and that is false lol decease charged enchant boost the secondary effect by 110% and I have used it on my buff bar before and you can make it work... but again I'm not telling you is the best but it is another source that's all... please put away your torch and pitchfork I come in peace.

It’s the only defile source in the game that doesn’t lower your DPS or burst potential.

thankyourat

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I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.

If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.

Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.

Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.

Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.

And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.

It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.

Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.

I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.

But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”

This guy is delusional... go spam rune cage from an inner keep wall from 40 meters away, or even better! Go do bg's spam rune cage and execute and steal kills all day everyday and go 30k 0d lol easy class my sitting muscle

@Thogard , is this how I look like when I miss your sarcasm? I hope not.

I just had a brain fart... I'm tired man

No you’re good, I think sNB is ridiculously OP and is going to be even more so after the next patch.

But don’t worry, I think mag sorc is pretty close behind.

I’ve watched your stream for about 30 minutes once. The entire time you were talking about how *** NB playstyle is... you call them ridiculously OP and then you go and group up with 4 DKs, who all dragon leap on groups of people and executioner them all.... just how trivial is that gameplay? If you are sick of nightblades cloaking away to reopen on you and you don’t want to slot the needed skills or potions to prevent that from happening, thats your problem. It tells me you’re either lazy or you want this game suited to YOUR playstyle.

You want to talk about trash nightblade players that use all 10 of their abilities slotted when all you do is wait for a leap and then execute. You can train a monkey to play your character.

DK leap needs to get toned down just as much as incap. Your ultimate does decent damage, but the utility it comes with it stupid. Gap closer, CC, damage, reduced cost and/or damage shield.

Is incap change a nerf...? I don’t really care either way. It probably won’t change my gameplay at all. I’m fine with it. We didn’t get any buffs but for some reason, the community thinks so and all you see on the forum the past few days is NB OP nerf them, nerf that... sorc this... its a bunch of mind numbing BS simply because there is some changes happening and people just absolutely have to get their voice heard. Its starting to look like facebook on here.

If your DK is outclassed why are you playing it in pvp? There are plenty of DKs out there who don’t have issues killing NBs or sorcs, which leads me to believe they’re doing something right, and you aren’t.

It's ok. I'm going to finish my stamblade. I will join you soon.

my stream rant about nightblades is a nightly thing. their group utility needs to be buffed, and their single-target kill and mitigate potential needs to be decreased.

having a class that's really OP in Xv1 and 1v1 situations, but really underpowered in group vs group fights that occur at a higher level is not balance. Trading OP in one situation for UP in another situation is not balance. It's the exact opposite.

Every class is really op in Xv1 situations.Templars BOL people you about to kill and POTL you so the group damage is stacked on you.Magsorc stacking curses and rune cage.Nb mark and multiple debuffs.DK stuns and immobilization. Every class is OP in Xv1.Its how ESO works.

If ever class is OP.. then are they actually OP?

NBs are only Stam class that doesn’t have to sacrifice dmg to run a defile. Getting incapped is much worse than being subjected to other classes’ abilities in a 1vX situation.

Wardens have a AOE major defile.They don't sacrifice anything for it a NB have to at least use it in a ultimate. Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.

''Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.''

Yeah buddy, I'll also prefer losing %50 of my healing plus taking %20 more damage and eating a stun, compared to just eating a stun. It just seems like the logical thing, Man , you pro 1vX'ers are really good at math.

Like. Totally logical. They should kick gilliam and hire you instead.

If you losing 50% of your health from incap you need to work on your build im sorry i run well fitted impreg never been hit for health my health on my stamblade or sorc.Heavy stamplar and warden never had that issue either.Rune cage stops me in my tracks and force me to eat damage.I can at least at times dodge incap.

Not only you're a math genius, you're also perfect at reading, oh my, I am so convinced that you should totally replace wrobel, gilliam, and all the class reps and work for all of them instead!


Look buddy.. My post clearly says ''healing'' , and not ''health''. Please, a little more attention into reading. I know its hard for the average stamblade main, but just give it your best shot allright?

Speaking of healing, major defile with befoul can easily achieve %45 healing debuff. (Which no other stam class can have without sacrificing a leg or an arm out of their builds,especially not if they are running a typical 2h/bow or 2h/dw build , based on high damage.)


See how funny this whole argument is , I did not even mention anything about how hard incap hits for. I simply think that incap's damage output is fine, but recovering from getting hit is near impossible due to reasons I will explain now


So lets see, hitting an incap after you mark an enemy, especially if he is on medium, will basically screw him for good., followed by 1 suprise attack weave and 1 execute weave, he will drop dead if he does not react immediately. So after landing the ''I win'' ultimate, your enemy either breaks free into a dodge roll vigor, or he simply dies. Which is fine, you managed to land an ultimate after all. Oh, he did managed to dodge vigor, then what?

He is still defiled, marked,taking %20 extra damage... Surely I would prefer facing rune cage any day. Rune cage, despite what many people believe, isnt what is so toxic about magsorcs.Surely rune cage itself is a broken ability with no counterplay, but the main problem is how rune cage interacts with the rest of the no counterplay magsorc combo. Yes, I called the buzzword. Magsorc combo has absolutely no counterplay other than mitigating it.

Which is one of the many reasons why everyone and their mums wear heavy nowadays. And suprise suprise, stamblades are also the second worst offender, as to why everyone that isn't a nightblade or sorc, is wearing heavy armor.

Calm down i apologized i read it wrong.Get you panties out of your behind.

Ps.I barely play my stamblade anymore I play my stamplar and stamwarden.Since I been playing yellow the last couples of patches and not paying for a slot to make one on yellow.You people cry about NB like they gods who looks at you and you instantly die.

I mean all this fuss about defile can't u use a disease (gives major defile as a secondary effect) enchant with a charged bow and a cap ton of cp on befoul? or any weapon actually... there is also the new version of cyrodils crest that procs defile offensively.

Are you for real?

No but people keep saying incap is the one and only defile source in the whole game and that is false lol decease charged enchant boost the secondary effect by 110% and I have used it on my buff bar before and you can make it work... but again I'm not telling you is the best but it is another source that's all... please put away your torch and pitchfork I come in peace.

It’s the only defile source in the game that doesn’t lower your DPS or burst potential.

That depends. In my opinion sword and board is probably the strongest weapon line for stamina players. I actually think it has better damage than 2hand simply because most of your dizzying swings will miss. Reverb is a really good option and you aren't really giving up anything to run it. It's also grants defile much more frequently. Reverb is actually pretty broken.

Thogard

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I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.

If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.

Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.

Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.

Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.

And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.

It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.

Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.

I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.

But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”

This guy is delusional... go spam rune cage from an inner keep wall from 40 meters away, or even better! Go do bg's spam rune cage and execute and steal kills all day everyday and go 30k 0d lol easy class my sitting muscle

@Thogard , is this how I look like when I miss your sarcasm? I hope not.

I just had a brain fart... I'm tired man

No you’re good, I think sNB is ridiculously OP and is going to be even more so after the next patch.

But don’t worry, I think mag sorc is pretty close behind.

I’ve watched your stream for about 30 minutes once. The entire time you were talking about how *** NB playstyle is... you call them ridiculously OP and then you go and group up with 4 DKs, who all dragon leap on groups of people and executioner them all.... just how trivial is that gameplay? If you are sick of nightblades cloaking away to reopen on you and you don’t want to slot the needed skills or potions to prevent that from happening, thats your problem. It tells me you’re either lazy or you want this game suited to YOUR playstyle.

You want to talk about trash nightblade players that use all 10 of their abilities slotted when all you do is wait for a leap and then execute. You can train a monkey to play your character.

DK leap needs to get toned down just as much as incap. Your ultimate does decent damage, but the utility it comes with it stupid. Gap closer, CC, damage, reduced cost and/or damage shield.

Is incap change a nerf...? I don’t really care either way. It probably won’t change my gameplay at all. I’m fine with it. We didn’t get any buffs but for some reason, the community thinks so and all you see on the forum the past few days is NB OP nerf them, nerf that... sorc this... its a bunch of mind numbing BS simply because there is some changes happening and people just absolutely have to get their voice heard. Its starting to look like facebook on here.

If your DK is outclassed why are you playing it in pvp? There are plenty of DKs out there who don’t have issues killing NBs or sorcs, which leads me to believe they’re doing something right, and you aren’t.

It's ok. I'm going to finish my stamblade. I will join you soon.

my stream rant about nightblades is a nightly thing. their group utility needs to be buffed, and their single-target kill and mitigate potential needs to be decreased.

having a class that's really OP in Xv1 and 1v1 situations, but really underpowered in group vs group fights that occur at a higher level is not balance. Trading OP in one situation for UP in another situation is not balance. It's the exact opposite.

Every class is really op in Xv1 situations.Templars BOL people you about to kill and POTL you so the group damage is stacked on you.Magsorc stacking curses and rune cage.Nb mark and multiple debuffs.DK stuns and immobilization. Every class is OP in Xv1.Its how ESO works.

If ever class is OP.. then are they actually OP?

NBs are only Stam class that doesn’t have to sacrifice dmg to run a defile. Getting incapped is much worse than being subjected to other classes’ abilities in a 1vX situation.

Wardens have a AOE major defile.They don't sacrifice anything for it a NB have to at least use it in a ultimate. Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.

''Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.''

Yeah buddy, I'll also prefer losing %50 of my healing plus taking %20 more damage and eating a stun, compared to just eating a stun. It just seems like the logical thing, Man , you pro 1vX'ers are really good at math.

Like. Totally logical. They should kick gilliam and hire you instead.

If you losing 50% of your health from incap you need to work on your build im sorry i run well fitted impreg never been hit for health my health on my stamblade or sorc.Heavy stamplar and warden never had that issue either.Rune cage stops me in my tracks and force me to eat damage.I can at least at times dodge incap.

Not only you're a math genius, you're also perfect at reading, oh my, I am so convinced that you should totally replace wrobel, gilliam, and all the class reps and work for all of them instead!


Look buddy.. My post clearly says ''healing'' , and not ''health''. Please, a little more attention into reading. I know its hard for the average stamblade main, but just give it your best shot allright?

Speaking of healing, major defile with befoul can easily achieve %45 healing debuff. (Which no other stam class can have without sacrificing a leg or an arm out of their builds,especially not if they are running a typical 2h/bow or 2h/dw build , based on high damage.)


See how funny this whole argument is , I did not even mention anything about how hard incap hits for. I simply think that incap's damage output is fine, but recovering from getting hit is near impossible due to reasons I will explain now


So lets see, hitting an incap after you mark an enemy, especially if he is on medium, will basically screw him for good., followed by 1 suprise attack weave and 1 execute weave, he will drop dead if he does not react immediately. So after landing the ''I win'' ultimate, your enemy either breaks free into a dodge roll vigor, or he simply dies. Which is fine, you managed to land an ultimate after all. Oh, he did managed to dodge vigor, then what?

He is still defiled, marked,taking %20 extra damage... Surely I would prefer facing rune cage any day. Rune cage, despite what many people believe, isnt what is so toxic about magsorcs.Surely rune cage itself is a broken ability with no counterplay, but the main problem is how rune cage interacts with the rest of the no counterplay magsorc combo. Yes, I called the buzzword. Magsorc combo has absolutely no counterplay other than mitigating it.

Which is one of the many reasons why everyone and their mums wear heavy nowadays. And suprise suprise, stamblades are also the second worst offender, as to why everyone that isn't a nightblade or sorc, is wearing heavy armor.

Calm down i apologized i read it wrong.Get you panties out of your behind.

Ps.I barely play my stamblade anymore I play my stamplar and stamwarden.Since I been playing yellow the last couples of patches and not paying for a slot to make one on yellow.You people cry about NB like they gods who looks at you and you instantly die.

I mean all this fuss about defile can't u use a disease (gives major defile as a secondary effect) enchant with a charged bow and a cap ton of cp on befoul? or any weapon actually... there is also the new version of cyrodils crest that procs defile offensively.

Are you for real?

No but people keep saying incap is the one and only defile source in the whole game and that is false lol decease charged enchant boost the secondary effect by 110% and I have used it on my buff bar before and you can make it work... but again I'm not telling you is the best but it is another source that's all... please put away your torch and pitchfork I come in peace.

It’s the only defile source in the game that doesn’t lower your DPS or burst potential.

That depends. In my opinion sword and board is probably the strongest weapon line for stamina players. I actually think it has better damage than 2hand simply because most of your dizzying swings will miss. Reverb is a really good option and you aren't really giving up anything to run it. It's also grants defile much more frequently. Reverb is actually pretty broken.

It’s the lowest DPS stamina weapon line...

Sharee

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Irylia wrote: »

I just want frag stun.
Remove easy mode rc sorc. Duels have just become a rinse repeat of meteor rc combo and hoping you get the kill. It’s disgraceful to how sorc used to work and is honestly why I spend more of my time playing other classes for group play and my Msorc less and less.

On a more hilarious note, I got hit by a meteor/fossil combo yesterday.

It’s like. A DK got so frustrated he was all - no YOU eat this!

I've run into a few DKs doing this lately. I'm surprised more of them don't. Maybe they're just used to leaping and don't want to change?

It just doesn't have the same impact. No curse explosion at the same time, no execute firing at the same time(hell, no execute, period...).

bigdavid11b16_ESO

not even a bad change since nb has alot of other ways to stun. and as a nb. health is already usually lower due to always have a curse active

NBrookus

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

I just want frag stun.
Remove easy mode rc sorc. Duels have just become a rinse repeat of meteor rc combo and hoping you get the kill. It’s disgraceful to how sorc used to work and is honestly why I spend more of my time playing other classes for group play and my Msorc less and less.

On a more hilarious note, I got hit by a meteor/fossil combo yesterday.

It’s like. A DK got so frustrated he was all - no YOU eat this!

I've run into a few DKs doing this lately. I'm surprised more of them don't. Maybe they're just used to leaping and don't want to change?

Because it's much less effective for DKs since there is no big delayed damage skill for them, and no execute let alone two of them. And because Meteor operates at range and Fossilize is so short, unless someone is going toe to toe with you, there's a good chance you won't be able to land the stun.

If they gave templars Rune Cage, they could make a meteor combo work nearly as well as sorcs do.

Unfadingsilence

Just learn to play a different way. And I thought incap use to be like that back in 1.5 or 1.6 where it would only stun if your health was lower anyways? If that's the case it's no big deal just learn to play with changes just like we had to when the gave cloak the big nerf hammer

Aedaryl

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

I just want frag stun.
Remove easy mode rc sorc. Duels have just become a rinse repeat of meteor rc combo and hoping you get the kill. It’s disgraceful to how sorc used to work and is honestly why I spend more of my time playing other classes for group play and my Msorc less and less.

On a more hilarious note, I got hit by a meteor/fossil combo yesterday.

It’s like. A DK got so frustrated he was all - no YOU eat this!

I've run into a few DKs doing this lately. I'm surprised more of them don't. Maybe they're just used to leaping and don't want to change?

I think it's stupid to run meteor fozzalise combo on a magDK.

Leap is far better than meteor for that, really.

Since meteor lost the 20% increase damage on impact, I see no reason to use it over leap.

Leap is more damage, and cost less, and you can use it as a gap closer. Even with dodgeable bugged leap, it's still better to fossalize then leap than meteor then fossilze.

MrDenimChicken

ItsNebula wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Now you gotta actually strategize a little instead of mindlessly pushing buttons and win

This is the nightblade thread, not the magsorc one.

This is what a GOOD MagSorc thinks about all the time *Ok shields are almost done i have to re-apply, ok i see a burst window, my frags are ready, are my shields still good for another 2-3 seconds? If my shields are down, im vulnerable to be killed easily.. Swap bars and light attack, i got 5 seconds to burst him down, curse, execute, rune cage, frag pop, force pulse execute, re apply shields i got 3 people on me now, streak away to get an advantage, reset the fight, i have sloads on me, need to streak away and heal up a little, re-apply shields, look for that burst window the second they're defenses are down and my frags are proced" etc.. NB.. "Ok incaps up, cloak, incap, SA, spin to win" Literally.... easiest class to play lmfao.

uhh theres like no NB's that run steel tornado, so your last sentence there seems more like hate for a class than reasonable analysis

lnigo

lt's pretty sad if stamblades can't cope with this change. lt barely hurts them, they had access to 3 class stuns, now they only have access to two class stuns (not to mention the weapon line stuns). While other wardens don't get any class stun and templar class stun is trash.

Kadoin

lnigo wrote: »

lt's pretty sad if stamblades can't cope with this change. lt barely hurts them, they had access to 3 class stuns, now they only have access to two class stuns (not to mention the weapon line stuns). While other wardens don't get any class stun and templar class stun is trash.

Stop making sense! Look, uhh...NB is supposed to be an assassin class! That's why they have to have everything under the sun better than any other class in the game. If you disagree, I'm going to have to get angry, not challenge your points, claim NB is in bad shape, claim the sky is falling, and then go to Cyrodil on my vampire Bosmer stam NB with maximum befoul and minor defile poison + bleeds + oblivion glyphs on the other bar + sloads + zaan and show people just how rough it is being a stam NB! You don't know the struggle!

IZZEFlameLash

Kadoin wrote: »

lnigo wrote: »

lt's pretty sad if stamblades can't cope with this change. lt barely hurts them, they had access to 3 class stuns, now they only have access to two class stuns (not to mention the weapon line stuns). While other wardens don't get any class stun and templar class stun is trash.

Stop making sense! Look, uhh...NB is supposed to be an assassin class! That's why they have to have everything under the sun better than any other class in the game. If you disagree, I'm going to have to get angry, not challenge your points, claim NB is in bad shape, claim the sky is falling, and then go to Cyrodil on my vampire Bosmer stam NB with maximum befoul and minor defile poison + bleeds + oblivion glyphs on the other bar + sloads + zaan and show people just how rough it is being a stam NB! You don't know the struggle!

Are you sure you are not a NB???????? The most authentic NB RP right here next to NB ERP with Surprise Attack from behind in a Crippling Grasp.

Kadoin

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

lnigo wrote: »

lt's pretty sad if stamblades can't cope with this change. lt barely hurts them, they had access to 3 class stuns, now they only have access to two class stuns (not to mention the weapon line stuns). While other wardens don't get any class stun and templar class stun is trash.

Stop making sense! Look, uhh...NB is supposed to be an assassin class! That's why they have to have everything under the sun better than any other class in the game. If you disagree, I'm going to have to get angry, not challenge your points, claim NB is in bad shape, claim the sky is falling, and then go to Cyrodil on my vampire Bosmer stam NB with maximum befoul and minor defile poison + bleeds + oblivion glyphs on the other bar + sloads + zaan and show people just how rough it is being a stam NB! You don't know the struggle!

Are you sure you are not a NB???????? The most authentic NB RP right here next to NB ERP with Surprise Attack from behind in a Crippling Grasp.

I have two...a hybrid one tilting towards mag and a stam NB. Since ZOS won't really nerf NB and Sorc, I'm thinking about gracing Cyrodil and BGs with builds that are virtually undefeatable. Unfortunately there are still some extremely hard decisions to make in those builds But I can definitely say its something only possible on NB

Swimguy

ItsNebula wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Now you gotta actually strategize a little instead of mindlessly pushing buttons and win

This is the nightblade thread, not the magsorc one.

This is what a GOOD MagSorc thinks about all the time *Ok shields are almost done i have to re-apply, ok i see a burst window, my frags are ready, are my shields still good for another 2-3 seconds? If my shields are down, im vulnerable to be killed easily.. Swap bars and light attack, i got 5 seconds to burst him down, curse, execute, rune cage, frag pop, force pulse execute, re apply shields i got 3 people on me now, streak away to get an advantage, reset the fight, i have sloads on me, need to streak away and heal up a little, re-apply shields, look for that burst window the second they're defenses are down and my frags are proced" etc.. NB.. "Ok incaps up, cloak, incap, SA, spin to win" Literally.... easiest class to play lmfao.

Lol you forgot about rally, vigor, relentless, and dodge buff. Dont forget we have to get up close and dont have the luxury of attacking from 10 meters away. Also the more lag there is the harder it is for stam. Roll dodging becomes iffy because you might block and attack right before you dodge. Actually light weaving inbetween skills is pretty hard vs players with speed buffs/and or run in circles and the "range " is broken alot...