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Stamblades of the Realm, how do you cope with the Incap change?
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technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don’t understand why the devs didn’t do the obvious thing and raise the cost of incap without changing it at all.
If incap cost as much as dawnbreaker, people would argue which is better, not that incap needs a nerf. I.e dawnbreaker has more burst damage and can’t be cloak-dodged, where incap has more sustained damage and a defile. People would go back and forth and both sides woulf be right.
Incap wouldn’t be an OBVIOUS must-have choice ultimate. Some people would run other things.
At that point I would just use DBoS over Incap, and go back to using a Charged Disease bow. DBoS hits just as hard as Incap against non-undead except you can hit multiple opponents; making it better for 1vX, and it's undodgeable. The DoT also more than makes up for the loss of the +20% damage. Slotting DBoS also passively increases the strength of all of your attacks, and heals due to the weapon damage increase. Against a vampire even now DBoS is the better route, but not everyone is a vampire which is why I use Incap.
Aren’t the lizards immune to disease? That seems like every other player in PVP these days because of the potion cooldown glyphs. That’s not going to work.
There is lethal arrow
Which doesn’t work on an MDK, with wings up all day and all night next patch for the awesome new snare immunity. Bow players are going to love it.
Let’s face it, incap is a convenient defile, and a really good ultimate that doesn’t need a nerf. It just needs to cost what it’s worth.
The problem is that it’s spammable. You get the six full seconds of 20% extra damage and the defile, and nearly *right* after that’s done - incap is ready to go again for more fun.
Picking an ultimate is not even a choice at 70 ult, you’re just stupid if you don’t use it. Revert the stun nerf, Increase the cost, and make picking an ultimate an actual difficult choice - mostly based on what you’re doing and whom you’re fighting.
Yeah lizards make that useless, but it's the sacrifice I would have to make. As far as cheap ults being no-brainers I would disagree; otherwise you'd see stamplars using radial sweep rather than Dawnbreaker.
Sweeps doesn’t even remotely compare to DBoS or Incap. We’re talking Ford Pinto and Ferrari here.
And I’m pretty sure Bosmer resist disease too, so I’m not kidding about ‘half of the game’ being immune to it.
Lol sweeps isn't that bad. It just needs something extra. Like Major Defile.
Sweeps also misses often just because of its range.
Incap has the same issue. It wouldn't be the end of the world if they increased their range to 7m. Especially considering the game's latency.
Incap is at least target based though. Has a chance to check you out of it. Sweeps you can fire it based off what you’re seeing and it’s gone.0 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭By doing what I always did... fearing before incap.
I don't know why it seems like nobody did this?? I thought everyone did. You significantly reduce the chance of it being dodged. If you haven't been doing this you have been gimping yourself a lot.
So based on forum feedback how bad the need it is, I like it. Because it means people will have to start using their brains and using combos. Like fear, light attack, incap or surprise attack from stealth, light attack, incap.
Works perfectly for us consoleros, where Fear almost guarantees two guaranteed follow-ups.
Supposedly, on PC breaking free is super easy and never bugs out - except against sorc skills, of course!1 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I don’t understand why the devs didn’t do the obvious thing and raise the cost of incap without changing it at all.
If incap cost as much as dawnbreaker, people would argue which is better, not that incap needs a nerf. I.e dawnbreaker has more burst damage and can’t be cloak-dodged, where incap has more sustained damage and a defile. People would go back and forth and both sides woulf be right.
Incap wouldn’t be an OBVIOUS must-have choice ultimate. Some people would run other things.
At that point I would just use DBoS over Incap, and go back to using a Charged Disease bow. DBoS hits just as hard as Incap against non-undead except you can hit multiple opponents; making it better for 1vX, and it's undodgeable. The DoT also more than makes up for the loss of the +20% damage. Slotting DBoS also passively increases the strength of all of your attacks, and heals due to the weapon damage increase. Against a vampire even now DBoS is the better route, but not everyone is a vampire which is why I use Incap.
Aren’t the lizards immune to disease? That seems like every other player in PVP these days because of the potion cooldown glyphs. That’s not going to work.
There is lethal arrow
Which doesn’t work on an MDK, with wings up all day and all night next patch for the awesome new snare immunity. Bow players are going to love it.
Let’s face it, incap is a convenient defile, and a really good ultimate that doesn’t need a nerf. It just needs to cost what it’s worth.
The problem is that it’s spammable. You get the six full seconds of 20% extra damage and the defile, and nearly *right* after that’s done - incap is ready to go again for more fun.
Picking an ultimate is not even a choice at 70 ult, you’re just stupid if you don’t use it. Revert the stun nerf, Increase the cost, and make picking an ultimate an actual difficult choice - mostly based on what you’re doing and whom you’re fighting.
Yeah lizards make that useless, but it's the sacrifice I would have to make. As far as cheap ults being no-brainers I would disagree; otherwise you'd see stamplars using radial sweep rather than Dawnbreaker.
Sweeps doesn’t even remotely compare to DBoS or Incap. We’re talking Ford Pinto and Ferrari here.
And I’m pretty sure Bosmer resist disease too, so I’m not kidding about ‘half of the game’ being immune to it.
Lol sweeps isn't that bad. It just needs something extra. Like Major Defile.
Sweeps also misses often just because of its range.
Incap has the same issue. It wouldn't be the end of the world if they increased their range to 7m. Especially considering the game's latency.
Incap is at least target based though. Has a chance to check you out of it. Sweeps you can fire it based off what you’re seeing and it’s gone.
This is true. I've activated it right at the cusp but because the feared target barely got out of range it considered my Incap missed.0 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I don’t understand why the devs didn’t do the obvious thing and raise the cost of incap without changing it at all.
If incap cost as much as dawnbreaker, people would argue which is better, not that incap needs a nerf. I.e dawnbreaker has more burst damage and can’t be cloak-dodged, where incap has more sustained damage and a defile. People would go back and forth and both sides woulf be right.
Incap wouldn’t be an OBVIOUS must-have choice ultimate. Some people would run other things.
At that point I would just use DBoS over Incap, and go back to using a Charged Disease bow. DBoS hits just as hard as Incap against non-undead except you can hit multiple opponents; making it better for 1vX, and it's undodgeable. The DoT also more than makes up for the loss of the +20% damage. Slotting DBoS also passively increases the strength of all of your attacks, and heals due to the weapon damage increase. Against a vampire even now DBoS is the better route, but not everyone is a vampire which is why I use Incap.
Aren’t the lizards immune to disease? That seems like every other player in PVP these days because of the potion cooldown glyphs. That’s not going to work.
There is lethal arrow
Which doesn’t work on an MDK, with wings up all day and all night next patch for the awesome new snare immunity. Bow players are going to love it.
Let’s face it, incap is a convenient defile, and a really good ultimate that doesn’t need a nerf. It just needs to cost what it’s worth.
The problem is that it’s spammable. You get the six full seconds of 20% extra damage and the defile, and nearly *right* after that’s done - incap is ready to go again for more fun.
Picking an ultimate is not even a choice at 70 ult, you’re just stupid if you don’t use it. Revert the stun nerf, Increase the cost, and make picking an ultimate an actual difficult choice - mostly based on what you’re doing and whom you’re fighting.
Yeah lizards make that useless, but it's the sacrifice I would have to make. As far as cheap ults being no-brainers I would disagree; otherwise you'd see stamplars using radial sweep rather than Dawnbreaker.
Sweeps doesn’t even remotely compare to DBoS or Incap. We’re talking Ford Pinto and Ferrari here.
And I’m pretty sure Bosmer resist disease too, so I’m not kidding about ‘half of the game’ being immune to it.
Lol sweeps isn't that bad. It just needs something extra. Like Major Defile.
Sweeps isn’t that bad?
@CyrusArya I’ll let you take this one...0 -
technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don’t understand why the devs didn’t do the obvious thing and raise the cost of incap without changing it at all.
If incap cost as much as dawnbreaker, people would argue which is better, not that incap needs a nerf. I.e dawnbreaker has more burst damage and can’t be cloak-dodged, where incap has more sustained damage and a defile. People would go back and forth and both sides woulf be right.
Incap wouldn’t be an OBVIOUS must-have choice ultimate. Some people would run other things.
At that point I would just use DBoS over Incap, and go back to using a Charged Disease bow. DBoS hits just as hard as Incap against non-undead except you can hit multiple opponents; making it better for 1vX, and it's undodgeable. The DoT also more than makes up for the loss of the +20% damage. Slotting DBoS also passively increases the strength of all of your attacks, and heals due to the weapon damage increase. Against a vampire even now DBoS is the better route, but not everyone is a vampire which is why I use Incap.
Aren’t the lizards immune to disease? That seems like every other player in PVP these days because of the potion cooldown glyphs. That’s not going to work.
There is lethal arrow
Which doesn’t work on an MDK, with wings up all day and all night next patch for the awesome new snare immunity. Bow players are going to love it.
Let’s face it, incap is a convenient defile, and a really good ultimate that doesn’t need a nerf. It just needs to cost what it’s worth.
The problem is that it’s spammable. You get the six full seconds of 20% extra damage and the defile, and nearly *right* after that’s done - incap is ready to go again for more fun.
Picking an ultimate is not even a choice at 70 ult, you’re just stupid if you don’t use it. Revert the stun nerf, Increase the cost, and make picking an ultimate an actual difficult choice - mostly based on what you’re doing and whom you’re fighting.
Yeah lizards make that useless, but it's the sacrifice I would have to make. As far as cheap ults being no-brainers I would disagree; otherwise you'd see stamplars using radial sweep rather than Dawnbreaker.
Sweeps doesn’t even remotely compare to DBoS or Incap. We’re talking Ford Pinto and Ferrari here.
And I’m pretty sure Bosmer resist disease too, so I’m not kidding about ‘half of the game’ being immune to it.
Lol sweeps isn't that bad. It just needs something extra. Like Major Defile.
Sweeps also misses often just because of its range.
Incap has the same issue. It wouldn't be the end of the world if they increased their range to 7m. Especially considering the game's latency.
Incap is at least target based though. Has a chance to check you out of it. Sweeps you can fire it based off what you’re seeing and it’s gone.
This is true. I've activated it right at the cusp but because the feared target barely got out of range it considered my Incap missed.
Last night I was having the opposite of that. Would hit ambush, not appear to have moved, see damage hit the target and go ahead and incap from what looks like 15m and it hit and I rubber band to them0 -
CyrusArya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Sweeps would be decent if it actually worked, the hit box is kinda wacky and will miss from point blank range. But even then, while crescent hits like a truck its still not worth using over DBoS. I don't personally care tho since as a Stamplar I do have access to DBoS. Magplar on the other could really use a solid class class damage ulti for solo and small scale play, but they do have remembrance and nova at least which can be game changers in group contexts.
Really, most class' tend to rely on external skill trees for their damage ultimate. That is ofc besides the nightblade, which as everyone knows has the best designed kit in the entire game and get not one but two great ultis lol.1 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Sweeps would be decent if it actually worked, the hit box is kinda wacky and will miss from point blank range. But even then, while crescent hits like a truck its still not worth using over DBoS. I don't personally care tho since as a Stamplar I do have access to DBoS. Magplar on the other could really use a solid class class damage ulti for solo and small scale play, but they do have remembrance and nova at least which can be game changers in group contexts.
Really, most class' tend to rely on external skill trees for their damage ultimate. That is ofc besides the nightblade, which as everyone knows has the best designed kit in the entire game and get not one but two great ultis lol.
Three Veil of Blades has amazing group potential, something Nightblades often complain they wouldn't have.0 -
Durham✭✭✭✭✭
✭But the Stam NB is one of the most over performing classes atm due to the mechanics in PVP.... Avoiding damage and healing is superior then taking damage and healing through it...
Should i remind you that shuffle and roll dodge is available to any class? So is the stam heals such as vigor or rally/fm.
NBs need to rely on dodge chance cause is the squishiest class by far. It has no class heals nor class shields.
And pls, dont tell me refreshing is a heal class skill for sNB xD
Edit: cloak crazy strong? I guess it worked for you against recruit rank pvpers....
Yep recruit players all lined up for me... I prefer a stam dk but I'm playing on my stam blade the most now... There is no comparison at the moment between these 2 classes in open world.. same thing goes for the stam templar.. overall the NB will be stronger after this patch compared to other stam classed... Right now they at the top... Just look around in PVP NB's are everywhere...might see a few stam toons of other classes there is a reason for this!!!!!
MAG Sorces are the other class you see everywhere at the moment ... that s another thread I will not go there..PVP DEADWAIT
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Zeromaz✭✭✭✭Arkangeloski wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Arkangeloski wrote: »I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.
If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.
Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.
Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.
Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.
And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.
It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.
Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.
I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.
But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”
This guy is delusional... go spam rune cage from an inner keep wall from 40 meters away, or even better! Go do bg's spam rune cage and execute and steal kills all day everyday and go 30k 0d lol easy class my sitting muscle
@Thogard , is this how I look like when I miss your sarcasm? I hope not.
I just had a brain fart... I'm tired man
No you’re good, I think sNB is ridiculously OP and is going to be even more so after the next patch.
But don’t worry, I think mag sorc is pretty close behind.
I’ve watched your stream for about 30 minutes once. The entire time you were talking about how *** NB playstyle is... you call them ridiculously OP and then you go and group up with 4 DKs, who all dragon leap on groups of people and executioner them all.... just how trivial is that gameplay? If you are sick of nightblades cloaking away to reopen on you and you don’t want to slot the needed skills or potions to prevent that from happening, thats your problem. It tells me you’re either lazy or you want this game suited to YOUR playstyle.
You want to talk about trash nightblade players that use all 10 of their abilities slotted when all you do is wait for a leap and then execute. You can train a monkey to play your character.
DK leap needs to get toned down just as much as incap. Your ultimate does decent damage, but the utility it comes with it stupid. Gap closer, CC, damage, reduced cost and/or damage shield.
Is incap change a nerf...? I don’t really care either way. It probably won’t change my gameplay at all. I’m fine with it. We didn’t get any buffs but for some reason, the community thinks so and all you see on the forum the past few days is NB OP nerf them, nerf that... sorc this... its a bunch of mind numbing BS simply because there is some changes happening and people just absolutely have to get their voice heard. Its starting to look like facebook on here.
If your DK is outclassed why are you playing it in pvp? There are plenty of DKs out there who don’t have issues killing NBs or sorcs, which leads me to believe they’re doing something right, and you aren’t.5 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Sweeps would be decent if it actually worked, the hit box is kinda wacky and will miss from point blank range. But even then, while crescent hits like a truck its still not worth using over DBoS. I don't personally care tho since as a Stamplar I do have access to DBoS. Magplar on the other could really use a solid class class damage ulti for solo and small scale play, but they do have remembrance and nova at least which can be game changers in group contexts.
Really, most class' tend to rely on external skill trees for their damage ultimate. That is ofc besides the nightblade, which as everyone knows has the best designed kit in the entire game and get not one but two great ultis lol.
Three Veil of Blades has amazing group potential, something Nightblades often complain they wouldn't have.
I think Bolstering is better honestly. Soul Siphon also offers an amazing burst heal. The class definitely has great group potential. The issue is convincing others that. After all why bring a stamblade when you can bring a magblade -_-1 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Sweeps would be decent if it actually worked, the hit box is kinda wacky and will miss from point blank range. But even then, while crescent hits like a truck its still not worth using over DBoS. I don't personally care tho since as a Stamplar I do have access to DBoS.
That's what I'm getting at. DBoS is so freaking strong that if you make Incap comparable in cost you'll kill Incap. It's good that it's a lower cost because now you can weigh your options. With incap you take the risk of missing, it's also single target; whereas DBoS is undodgeable and affects multiple targets. The fact that it's 55 ult cheaper justifies the risk of it dodging and the fact that it affects one person rather than many.
Crescent has the damage output of Incap, it's undodgeable. The issue is that Templars lack a reliable CC. DBoS fills that void.1 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Arkangeloski wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Arkangeloski wrote: »I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.
If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.
Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.
Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.
Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.
And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.
It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.
Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.
I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.
But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”
This guy is delusional... go spam rune cage from an inner keep wall from 40 meters away, or even better! Go do bg's spam rune cage and execute and steal kills all day everyday and go 30k 0d lol easy class my sitting muscle
@Thogard , is this how I look like when I miss your sarcasm? I hope not.
I just had a brain fart... I'm tired man
No you’re good, I think sNB is ridiculously OP and is going to be even more so after the next patch.
But don’t worry, I think mag sorc is pretty close behind.
I like how you're automaticly a magsorc main the moment you say something bad about sNB, or vice versa.
PvP is revolving around these two ridicilous classes for far too long now. With the sloads fix and the nerf to detect pot/flare/evil hunter,
Stamblades will have a much easier time for certain.(as if they needed any help to begin with.)Edited by Ragnarock41 on July 12, 2018 1:48AM1 -
TheRealSniker✭✭✭✭✭
✭All the changes work in my favor, less defiles, no sloads and scrubs cant stun me with incaps anymore haha
1vX will be easierEdited by TheRealSniker on July 12, 2018 6:17AM0 -
lazerlaz✭✭✭Arkangeloski wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Arkangeloski wrote: »I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.
If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.
Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.
Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.
Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.
And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.
It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.
Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.
I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.
But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”
This guy is delusional... go spam rune cage from an inner keep wall from 40 meters away, or even better! Go do bg's spam rune cage and execute and steal kills all day everyday and go 30k 0d lol easy class my sitting muscle
@Thogard , is this how I look like when I miss your sarcasm? I hope not.
I just had a brain fart... I'm tired man
No you’re good, I think sNB is ridiculously OP and is going to be even more so after the next patch.
But don’t worry, I think mag sorc is pretty close behind.
I’ve watched your stream for about 30 minutes once. The entire time you were talking about how *** NB playstyle is... you call them ridiculously OP and then you go and group up with 4 DKs, who all dragon leap on groups of people and executioner them all.... just how trivial is that gameplay? If you are sick of nightblades cloaking away to reopen on you and you don’t want to slot the needed skills or potions to prevent that from happening, thats your problem. It tells me you’re either lazy or you want this game suited to YOUR playstyle.
You want to talk about trash nightblade players that use all 10 of their abilities slotted when all you do is wait for a leap and then execute. You can train a monkey to play your character.
DK leap needs to get toned down just as much as incap. Your ultimate does decent damage, but the utility it comes with it stupid. Gap closer, CC, damage, reduced cost and/or damage shield.
Is incap change a nerf...? I don’t really care either way. It probably won’t change my gameplay at all. I’m fine with it. We didn’t get any buffs but for some reason, the community thinks so and all you see on the forum the past few days is NB OP nerf them, nerf that... sorc this... its a bunch of mind numbing BS simply because there is some changes happening and people just absolutely have to get their voice heard. Its starting to look like facebook on here.
If your DK is outclassed why are you playing it in pvp? There are plenty of DKs out there who don’t have issues killing NBs or sorcs, which leads me to believe they’re doing something right, and you aren’t.
Lol roasted. Loved every point and word.Edited by lazerlaz on July 12, 2018 3:52AM3 -
Arkangeloski✭✭✭✭Arkangeloski wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Arkangeloski wrote: »I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.
If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.
Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.
Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.
Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.
And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.
It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.
Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.
I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.
But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”
This guy is delusional... go spam rune cage from an inner keep wall from 40 meters away, or even better! Go do bg's spam rune cage and execute and steal kills all day everyday and go 30k 0d lol easy class my sitting muscle
@Thogard , is this how I look like when I miss your sarcasm? I hope not.
I just had a brain fart... I'm tired man
No you’re good, I think sNB is ridiculously OP and is going to be even more so after the next patch.
But don’t worry, I think mag sorc is pretty close behind.
I’ve watched your stream for about 30 minutes once. The entire time you were talking about how *** NB playstyle is... you call them ridiculously OP and then you go and group up with 4 DKs, who all dragon leap on groups of people and executioner them all.... just how trivial is that gameplay? If you are sick of nightblades cloaking away to reopen on you and you don’t want to slot the needed skills or potions to prevent that from happening, thats your problem. It tells me you’re either lazy or you want this game suited to YOUR playstyle.
You want to talk about trash nightblade players that use all 10 of their abilities slotted when all you do is wait for a leap and then execute. You can train a monkey to play your character.
DK leap needs to get toned down just as much as incap. Your ultimate does decent damage, but the utility it comes with it stupid. Gap closer, CC, damage, reduced cost and/or damage shield.
Is incap change a nerf...? I don’t really care either way. It probably won’t change my gameplay at all. I’m fine with it. We didn’t get any buffs but for some reason, the community thinks so and all you see on the forum the past few days is NB OP nerf them, nerf that... sorc this... its a bunch of mind numbing BS simply because there is some changes happening and people just absolutely have to get their voice heard. Its starting to look like facebook on here.
If your DK is outclassed why are you playing it in pvp? There are plenty of DKs out there who don’t have issues killing NBs or sorcs, which leads me to believe they’re doing something right, and you aren’t.
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✭Arkangeloski wrote: »Weren't Dk's the little snowflakes that can't be stunned with sa from stealth due to a bug with a certain ability? Did they fixed that along with incap?
Never heard of it. If they cannot be stunned from stealth, it is because they were blocking and you didn't even see because of lag or they just tapped block during their animation cancelling and you coincidentally attacked them.Edited by IZZEFlameLash on July 12, 2018 5:01AMImperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel0 -
Arkangeloski✭✭✭✭IZZEFlameLash wrote: »Arkangeloski wrote: »Weren't Dk's the little snowflakes that can't be stunned with sa from stealth due to a bug with a certain ability? Did they fixed that along with incap?
Never heard of it. If they cannot be stunned from stealth, it is because they were blocking and you didn't even see because of lag or they just tapped block during their animation cancelling and your coincidentally attack them.
Nah its not block
it might gotten fix but I will research and probably post a link If I find it. Edited by Arkangeloski on July 12, 2018 4:43AM0 -
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If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.
Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.
Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.
Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.
And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.
It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.
Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.
I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.
But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”
This guy is delusional... go spam rune cage from an inner keep wall from 40 meters away, or even better! Go do bg's spam rune cage and execute and steal kills all day everyday and go 30k 0d lol easy class my sitting muscle
@Thogard , is this how I look like when I miss your sarcasm? I hope not.
I just had a brain fart... I'm tired man
No you’re good, I think sNB is ridiculously OP and is going to be even more so after the next patch.
But don’t worry, I think mag sorc is pretty close behind.
I’ve watched your stream for about 30 minutes once. The entire time you were talking about how *** NB playstyle is... you call them ridiculously OP and then you go and group up with 4 DKs, who all dragon leap on groups of people and executioner them all.... just how trivial is that gameplay? If you are sick of nightblades cloaking away to reopen on you and you don’t want to slot the needed skills or potions to prevent that from happening, thats your problem. It tells me you’re either lazy or you want this game suited to YOUR playstyle.
You want to talk about trash nightblade players that use all 10 of their abilities slotted when all you do is wait for a leap and then execute. You can train a monkey to play your character.
DK leap needs to get toned down just as much as incap. Your ultimate does decent damage, but the utility it comes with it stupid. Gap closer, CC, damage, reduced cost and/or damage shield.
Is incap change a nerf...? I don’t really care either way. It probably won’t change my gameplay at all. I’m fine with it. We didn’t get any buffs but for some reason, the community thinks so and all you see on the forum the past few days is NB OP nerf them, nerf that... sorc this... its a bunch of mind numbing BS simply because there is some changes happening and people just absolutely have to get their voice heard. Its starting to look like facebook on here.
If your DK is outclassed why are you playing it in pvp? There are plenty of DKs out there who don’t have issues killing NBs or sorcs, which leads me to believe they’re doing something right, and you aren’t.
It's ok. I'm going to finish my stamblade. I will join you soon.
my stream rant about nightblades is a nightly thing. their group utility needs to be buffed, and their single-target kill and mitigate potential needs to be decreased.
having a class that's really OP in Xv1 and 1v1 situations, but really underpowered in group vs group fights that occur at a higher level is not balance. Trading OP in one situation for UP in another situation is not balance. It's the exact opposite.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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Every class is really op in Xv1 situations.Templars BOL people you about to kill and POTL you so the group damage is stacked on you.Magsorc stacking curses and rune cage.Nb mark and multiple debuffs.DK stuns and immobilization. Every class is OP in Xv1.Its how ESO works.Arkangeloski wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Arkangeloski wrote: »I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.
If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.
Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.
Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.
Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.
And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.
It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.
Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.
I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.
But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”
This guy is delusional... go spam rune cage from an inner keep wall from 40 meters away, or even better! Go do bg's spam rune cage and execute and steal kills all day everyday and go 30k 0d lol easy class my sitting muscle
@Thogard , is this how I look like when I miss your sarcasm? I hope not.
I just had a brain fart... I'm tired man
No you’re good, I think sNB is ridiculously OP and is going to be even more so after the next patch.
But don’t worry, I think mag sorc is pretty close behind.
I’ve watched your stream for about 30 minutes once. The entire time you were talking about how *** NB playstyle is... you call them ridiculously OP and then you go and group up with 4 DKs, who all dragon leap on groups of people and executioner them all.... just how trivial is that gameplay? If you are sick of nightblades cloaking away to reopen on you and you don’t want to slot the needed skills or potions to prevent that from happening, thats your problem. It tells me you’re either lazy or you want this game suited to YOUR playstyle.
You want to talk about trash nightblade players that use all 10 of their abilities slotted when all you do is wait for a leap and then execute. You can train a monkey to play your character.
DK leap needs to get toned down just as much as incap. Your ultimate does decent damage, but the utility it comes with it stupid. Gap closer, CC, damage, reduced cost and/or damage shield.
Is incap change a nerf...? I don’t really care either way. It probably won’t change my gameplay at all. I’m fine with it. We didn’t get any buffs but for some reason, the community thinks so and all you see on the forum the past few days is NB OP nerf them, nerf that... sorc this... its a bunch of mind numbing BS simply because there is some changes happening and people just absolutely have to get their voice heard. Its starting to look like facebook on here.
If your DK is outclassed why are you playing it in pvp? There are plenty of DKs out there who don’t have issues killing NBs or sorcs, which leads me to believe they’re doing something right, and you aren’t.
It's ok. I'm going to finish my stamblade. I will join you soon.
my stream rant about nightblades is a nightly thing. their group utility needs to be buffed, and their single-target kill and mitigate potential needs to be decreased.
having a class that's really OP in Xv1 and 1v1 situations, but really underpowered in group vs group fights that occur at a higher level is not balance. Trading OP in one situation for UP in another situation is not balance. It's the exact opposite.
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Every class is really op in Xv1 situations.Templars BOL people you about to kill and POTL you so the group damage is stacked on you.Magsorc stacking curses and rune cage.Nb mark and multiple debuffs.DK stuns and immobilization. Every class is OP in Xv1.Its how ESO works.Arkangeloski wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Arkangeloski wrote: »I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.
If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.
Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.
Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.
Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.
And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.
It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.
Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.
I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.
But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”
This guy is delusional... go spam rune cage from an inner keep wall from 40 meters away, or even better! Go do bg's spam rune cage and execute and steal kills all day everyday and go 30k 0d lol easy class my sitting muscle
@Thogard , is this how I look like when I miss your sarcasm? I hope not.
I just had a brain fart... I'm tired man
No you’re good, I think sNB is ridiculously OP and is going to be even more so after the next patch.
But don’t worry, I think mag sorc is pretty close behind.
I’ve watched your stream for about 30 minutes once. The entire time you were talking about how *** NB playstyle is... you call them ridiculously OP and then you go and group up with 4 DKs, who all dragon leap on groups of people and executioner them all.... just how trivial is that gameplay? If you are sick of nightblades cloaking away to reopen on you and you don’t want to slot the needed skills or potions to prevent that from happening, thats your problem. It tells me you’re either lazy or you want this game suited to YOUR playstyle.
You want to talk about trash nightblade players that use all 10 of their abilities slotted when all you do is wait for a leap and then execute. You can train a monkey to play your character.
DK leap needs to get toned down just as much as incap. Your ultimate does decent damage, but the utility it comes with it stupid. Gap closer, CC, damage, reduced cost and/or damage shield.
Is incap change a nerf...? I don’t really care either way. It probably won’t change my gameplay at all. I’m fine with it. We didn’t get any buffs but for some reason, the community thinks so and all you see on the forum the past few days is NB OP nerf them, nerf that... sorc this... its a bunch of mind numbing BS simply because there is some changes happening and people just absolutely have to get their voice heard. Its starting to look like facebook on here.
If your DK is outclassed why are you playing it in pvp? There are plenty of DKs out there who don’t have issues killing NBs or sorcs, which leads me to believe they’re doing something right, and you aren’t.
It's ok. I'm going to finish my stamblade. I will join you soon.
my stream rant about nightblades is a nightly thing. their group utility needs to be buffed, and their single-target kill and mitigate potential needs to be decreased.
having a class that's really OP in Xv1 and 1v1 situations, but really underpowered in group vs group fights that occur at a higher level is not balance. Trading OP in one situation for UP in another situation is not balance. It's the exact opposite.
If ever class is OP.. then are they actually OP?
NBs are only Stam class that doesn’t have to sacrifice dmg to run a defile. Getting incapped is much worse than being subjected to other classes’ abilities in a 1vX situation.
PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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Wardens have a AOE major defile.They don't sacrifice anything for it a NB have to at least use it in a ultimate. Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.
Every class is really op in Xv1 situations.Templars BOL people you about to kill and POTL you so the group damage is stacked on you.Magsorc stacking curses and rune cage.Nb mark and multiple debuffs.DK stuns and immobilization. Every class is OP in Xv1.Its how ESO works.Arkangeloski wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Arkangeloski wrote: »I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.
If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.
Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.
Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.
Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.
And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.
It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.
Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.
I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.
But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”
This guy is delusional... go spam rune cage from an inner keep wall from 40 meters away, or even better! Go do bg's spam rune cage and execute and steal kills all day everyday and go 30k 0d lol easy class my sitting muscle
@Thogard , is this how I look like when I miss your sarcasm? I hope not.
I just had a brain fart... I'm tired man
No you’re good, I think sNB is ridiculously OP and is going to be even more so after the next patch.
But don’t worry, I think mag sorc is pretty close behind.
I’ve watched your stream for about 30 minutes once. The entire time you were talking about how *** NB playstyle is... you call them ridiculously OP and then you go and group up with 4 DKs, who all dragon leap on groups of people and executioner them all.... just how trivial is that gameplay? If you are sick of nightblades cloaking away to reopen on you and you don’t want to slot the needed skills or potions to prevent that from happening, thats your problem. It tells me you’re either lazy or you want this game suited to YOUR playstyle.
You want to talk about trash nightblade players that use all 10 of their abilities slotted when all you do is wait for a leap and then execute. You can train a monkey to play your character.
DK leap needs to get toned down just as much as incap. Your ultimate does decent damage, but the utility it comes with it stupid. Gap closer, CC, damage, reduced cost and/or damage shield.
Is incap change a nerf...? I don’t really care either way. It probably won’t change my gameplay at all. I’m fine with it. We didn’t get any buffs but for some reason, the community thinks so and all you see on the forum the past few days is NB OP nerf them, nerf that... sorc this... its a bunch of mind numbing BS simply because there is some changes happening and people just absolutely have to get their voice heard. Its starting to look like facebook on here.
If your DK is outclassed why are you playing it in pvp? There are plenty of DKs out there who don’t have issues killing NBs or sorcs, which leads me to believe they’re doing something right, and you aren’t.
It's ok. I'm going to finish my stamblade. I will join you soon.
my stream rant about nightblades is a nightly thing. their group utility needs to be buffed, and their single-target kill and mitigate potential needs to be decreased.
having a class that's really OP in Xv1 and 1v1 situations, but really underpowered in group vs group fights that occur at a higher level is not balance. Trading OP in one situation for UP in another situation is not balance. It's the exact opposite.
If ever class is OP.. then are they actually OP?
NBs are only Stam class that doesn’t have to sacrifice dmg to run a defile. Getting incapped is much worse than being subjected to other classes’ abilities in a 1vX situation.
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Wardens have a AOE major defile.They don't sacrifice anything for it a NB have to at least use it in a ultimate. Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.
Every class is really op in Xv1 situations.Templars BOL people you about to kill and POTL you so the group damage is stacked on you.Magsorc stacking curses and rune cage.Nb mark and multiple debuffs.DK stuns and immobilization. Every class is OP in Xv1.Its how ESO works.Arkangeloski wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Arkangeloski wrote: »I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.
If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.
Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.
Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.
Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.
And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.
It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.
Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.
I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.
But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”
This guy is delusional... go spam rune cage from an inner keep wall from 40 meters away, or even better! Go do bg's spam rune cage and execute and steal kills all day everyday and go 30k 0d lol easy class my sitting muscle
@Thogard , is this how I look like when I miss your sarcasm? I hope not.
I just had a brain fart... I'm tired man
No you’re good, I think sNB is ridiculously OP and is going to be even more so after the next patch.
But don’t worry, I think mag sorc is pretty close behind.
I’ve watched your stream for about 30 minutes once. The entire time you were talking about how *** NB playstyle is... you call them ridiculously OP and then you go and group up with 4 DKs, who all dragon leap on groups of people and executioner them all.... just how trivial is that gameplay? If you are sick of nightblades cloaking away to reopen on you and you don’t want to slot the needed skills or potions to prevent that from happening, thats your problem. It tells me you’re either lazy or you want this game suited to YOUR playstyle.
You want to talk about trash nightblade players that use all 10 of their abilities slotted when all you do is wait for a leap and then execute. You can train a monkey to play your character.
DK leap needs to get toned down just as much as incap. Your ultimate does decent damage, but the utility it comes with it stupid. Gap closer, CC, damage, reduced cost and/or damage shield.
Is incap change a nerf...? I don’t really care either way. It probably won’t change my gameplay at all. I’m fine with it. We didn’t get any buffs but for some reason, the community thinks so and all you see on the forum the past few days is NB OP nerf them, nerf that... sorc this... its a bunch of mind numbing BS simply because there is some changes happening and people just absolutely have to get their voice heard. Its starting to look like facebook on here.
If your DK is outclassed why are you playing it in pvp? There are plenty of DKs out there who don’t have issues killing NBs or sorcs, which leads me to believe they’re doing something right, and you aren’t.
It's ok. I'm going to finish my stamblade. I will join you soon.
my stream rant about nightblades is a nightly thing. their group utility needs to be buffed, and their single-target kill and mitigate potential needs to be decreased.
having a class that's really OP in Xv1 and 1v1 situations, but really underpowered in group vs group fights that occur at a higher level is not balance. Trading OP in one situation for UP in another situation is not balance. It's the exact opposite.
If ever class is OP.. then are they actually OP?
NBs are only Stam class that doesn’t have to sacrifice dmg to run a defile. Getting incapped is much worse than being subjected to other classes’ abilities in a 1vX situation.
''Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.''
Yeah buddy, I'll also prefer losing %50 of my healing plus taking %20 more damage and eating a stun, compared to just eating a stun. It just seems like the logical thing, Man , you pro 1vX'ers are really good at math.
Like. Totally logical. They should kick gilliam and hire you instead.Edited by Ragnarock41 on July 12, 2018 7:38AM2 -
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Wardens have a AOE major defile.They don't sacrifice anything for it a NB have to at least use it in a ultimate. Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.
Every class is really op in Xv1 situations.Templars BOL people you about to kill and POTL you so the group damage is stacked on you.Magsorc stacking curses and rune cage.Nb mark and multiple debuffs.DK stuns and immobilization. Every class is OP in Xv1.Its how ESO works.Arkangeloski wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Arkangeloski wrote: »I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.
If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.
Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.
Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.
Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.
And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.
It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.
Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.
I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.
But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”
This guy is delusional... go spam rune cage from an inner keep wall from 40 meters away, or even better! Go do bg's spam rune cage and execute and steal kills all day everyday and go 30k 0d lol easy class my sitting muscle
@Thogard , is this how I look like when I miss your sarcasm? I hope not.
I just had a brain fart... I'm tired man
No you’re good, I think sNB is ridiculously OP and is going to be even more so after the next patch.
But don’t worry, I think mag sorc is pretty close behind.
I’ve watched your stream for about 30 minutes once. The entire time you were talking about how *** NB playstyle is... you call them ridiculously OP and then you go and group up with 4 DKs, who all dragon leap on groups of people and executioner them all.... just how trivial is that gameplay? If you are sick of nightblades cloaking away to reopen on you and you don’t want to slot the needed skills or potions to prevent that from happening, thats your problem. It tells me you’re either lazy or you want this game suited to YOUR playstyle.
You want to talk about trash nightblade players that use all 10 of their abilities slotted when all you do is wait for a leap and then execute. You can train a monkey to play your character.
DK leap needs to get toned down just as much as incap. Your ultimate does decent damage, but the utility it comes with it stupid. Gap closer, CC, damage, reduced cost and/or damage shield.
Is incap change a nerf...? I don’t really care either way. It probably won’t change my gameplay at all. I’m fine with it. We didn’t get any buffs but for some reason, the community thinks so and all you see on the forum the past few days is NB OP nerf them, nerf that... sorc this... its a bunch of mind numbing BS simply because there is some changes happening and people just absolutely have to get their voice heard. Its starting to look like facebook on here.
If your DK is outclassed why are you playing it in pvp? There are plenty of DKs out there who don’t have issues killing NBs or sorcs, which leads me to believe they’re doing something right, and you aren’t.
It's ok. I'm going to finish my stamblade. I will join you soon.
my stream rant about nightblades is a nightly thing. their group utility needs to be buffed, and their single-target kill and mitigate potential needs to be decreased.
having a class that's really OP in Xv1 and 1v1 situations, but really underpowered in group vs group fights that occur at a higher level is not balance. Trading OP in one situation for UP in another situation is not balance. It's the exact opposite.
If ever class is OP.. then are they actually OP?
NBs are only Stam class that doesn’t have to sacrifice dmg to run a defile. Getting incapped is much worse than being subjected to other classes’ abilities in a 1vX situation.
I’ve been rotating through various appropriate responses to this post, but all of them would get me banned. This is really just a gem of a post that will have to be shared as-is, rather than described or rebutted.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »
Wardens have a AOE major defile.They don't sacrifice anything for it a NB have to at least use it in a ultimate. Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.
Every class is really op in Xv1 situations.Templars BOL people you about to kill and POTL you so the group damage is stacked on you.Magsorc stacking curses and rune cage.Nb mark and multiple debuffs.DK stuns and immobilization. Every class is OP in Xv1.Its how ESO works.Arkangeloski wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Arkangeloski wrote: »I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.
If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.
Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.
Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.
Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.
And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.
It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.
Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.
I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.
But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”
This guy is delusional... go spam rune cage from an inner keep wall from 40 meters away, or even better! Go do bg's spam rune cage and execute and steal kills all day everyday and go 30k 0d lol easy class my sitting muscle
@Thogard , is this how I look like when I miss your sarcasm? I hope not.
I just had a brain fart... I'm tired man
No you’re good, I think sNB is ridiculously OP and is going to be even more so after the next patch.
But don’t worry, I think mag sorc is pretty close behind.
I’ve watched your stream for about 30 minutes once. The entire time you were talking about how *** NB playstyle is... you call them ridiculously OP and then you go and group up with 4 DKs, who all dragon leap on groups of people and executioner them all.... just how trivial is that gameplay? If you are sick of nightblades cloaking away to reopen on you and you don’t want to slot the needed skills or potions to prevent that from happening, thats your problem. It tells me you’re either lazy or you want this game suited to YOUR playstyle.
You want to talk about trash nightblade players that use all 10 of their abilities slotted when all you do is wait for a leap and then execute. You can train a monkey to play your character.
DK leap needs to get toned down just as much as incap. Your ultimate does decent damage, but the utility it comes with it stupid. Gap closer, CC, damage, reduced cost and/or damage shield.
Is incap change a nerf...? I don’t really care either way. It probably won’t change my gameplay at all. I’m fine with it. We didn’t get any buffs but for some reason, the community thinks so and all you see on the forum the past few days is NB OP nerf them, nerf that... sorc this... its a bunch of mind numbing BS simply because there is some changes happening and people just absolutely have to get their voice heard. Its starting to look like facebook on here.
If your DK is outclassed why are you playing it in pvp? There are plenty of DKs out there who don’t have issues killing NBs or sorcs, which leads me to believe they’re doing something right, and you aren’t.
It's ok. I'm going to finish my stamblade. I will join you soon.
my stream rant about nightblades is a nightly thing. their group utility needs to be buffed, and their single-target kill and mitigate potential needs to be decreased.
having a class that's really OP in Xv1 and 1v1 situations, but really underpowered in group vs group fights that occur at a higher level is not balance. Trading OP in one situation for UP in another situation is not balance. It's the exact opposite.
If ever class is OP.. then are they actually OP?
NBs are only Stam class that doesn’t have to sacrifice dmg to run a defile. Getting incapped is much worse than being subjected to other classes’ abilities in a 1vX situation.
''Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.''
Yeah buddy, I'll also prefer losing %50 of my healing plus taking %20 more damage and eating a stun, compared to just eating a stun. It just seems like the logical think to eat more debuffs for free.
Like. Totally logical. They should kick gilliam and hire you instead.
Don’t forget that apparently the warden AOE defile now hits harder than incap too. I’m learning a lot today.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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Every class is really op in Xv1 situations.Templars BOL people you about to kill and POTL you so the group damage is stacked on you.Magsorc stacking curses and rune cage.Nb mark and multiple debuffs.DK stuns and immobilization. Every class is OP in Xv1.Its how ESO works.Arkangeloski wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Arkangeloski wrote: »I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.
If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.
Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.
Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.
Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.
And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.
It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.
Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.
I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.
But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”
This guy is delusional... go spam rune cage from an inner keep wall from 40 meters away, or even better! Go do bg's spam rune cage and execute and steal kills all day everyday and go 30k 0d lol easy class my sitting muscle
@Thogard , is this how I look like when I miss your sarcasm? I hope not.
I just had a brain fart... I'm tired man
No you’re good, I think sNB is ridiculously OP and is going to be even more so after the next patch.
But don’t worry, I think mag sorc is pretty close behind.
I’ve watched your stream for about 30 minutes once. The entire time you were talking about how *** NB playstyle is... you call them ridiculously OP and then you go and group up with 4 DKs, who all dragon leap on groups of people and executioner them all.... just how trivial is that gameplay? If you are sick of nightblades cloaking away to reopen on you and you don’t want to slot the needed skills or potions to prevent that from happening, thats your problem. It tells me you’re either lazy or you want this game suited to YOUR playstyle.
You want to talk about trash nightblade players that use all 10 of their abilities slotted when all you do is wait for a leap and then execute. You can train a monkey to play your character.
DK leap needs to get toned down just as much as incap. Your ultimate does decent damage, but the utility it comes with it stupid. Gap closer, CC, damage, reduced cost and/or damage shield.
Is incap change a nerf...? I don’t really care either way. It probably won’t change my gameplay at all. I’m fine with it. We didn’t get any buffs but for some reason, the community thinks so and all you see on the forum the past few days is NB OP nerf them, nerf that... sorc this... its a bunch of mind numbing BS simply because there is some changes happening and people just absolutely have to get their voice heard. Its starting to look like facebook on here.
If your DK is outclassed why are you playing it in pvp? There are plenty of DKs out there who don’t have issues killing NBs or sorcs, which leads me to believe they’re doing something right, and you aren’t.
It's ok. I'm going to finish my stamblade. I will join you soon.
my stream rant about nightblades is a nightly thing. their group utility needs to be buffed, and their single-target kill and mitigate potential needs to be decreased.
having a class that's really OP in Xv1 and 1v1 situations, but really underpowered in group vs group fights that occur at a higher level is not balance. Trading OP in one situation for UP in another situation is not balance. It's the exact opposite.
If ever class is OP.. then are they actually OP?
NBs are only Stam class that doesn’t have to sacrifice dmg to run a defile. Getting incapped is much worse than being subjected to other classes’ abilities in a 1vX situation.
I mean, except for everybody slotting reverb because they're already running S&B on backbar
You people focus way too much on Incap. How many times did you people die to Soul Harvest after they fixed the undodgeable bug? That's what fighting a NB will be like next patch. Incap is the least of your worries at this point.ＦＯＲＵＭＰＬＡＲ
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✭✭✭✭✭arkansas_ESO wrote: »
Every class is really op in Xv1 situations.Templars BOL people you about to kill and POTL you so the group damage is stacked on you.Magsorc stacking curses and rune cage.Nb mark and multiple debuffs.DK stuns and immobilization. Every class is OP in Xv1.Its how ESO works.Arkangeloski wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Arkangeloski wrote: »I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.
If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.
Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.
Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.
Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.
And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.
It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.
Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.
I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.
But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”
This guy is delusional... go spam rune cage from an inner keep wall from 40 meters away, or even better! Go do bg's spam rune cage and execute and steal kills all day everyday and go 30k 0d lol easy class my sitting muscle
@Thogard , is this how I look like when I miss your sarcasm? I hope not.
I just had a brain fart... I'm tired man
No you’re good, I think sNB is ridiculously OP and is going to be even more so after the next patch.
But don’t worry, I think mag sorc is pretty close behind.
I’ve watched your stream for about 30 minutes once. The entire time you were talking about how *** NB playstyle is... you call them ridiculously OP and then you go and group up with 4 DKs, who all dragon leap on groups of people and executioner them all.... just how trivial is that gameplay? If you are sick of nightblades cloaking away to reopen on you and you don’t want to slot the needed skills or potions to prevent that from happening, thats your problem. It tells me you’re either lazy or you want this game suited to YOUR playstyle.
You want to talk about trash nightblade players that use all 10 of their abilities slotted when all you do is wait for a leap and then execute. You can train a monkey to play your character.
DK leap needs to get toned down just as much as incap. Your ultimate does decent damage, but the utility it comes with it stupid. Gap closer, CC, damage, reduced cost and/or damage shield.
Is incap change a nerf...? I don’t really care either way. It probably won’t change my gameplay at all. I’m fine with it. We didn’t get any buffs but for some reason, the community thinks so and all you see on the forum the past few days is NB OP nerf them, nerf that... sorc this... its a bunch of mind numbing BS simply because there is some changes happening and people just absolutely have to get their voice heard. Its starting to look like facebook on here.
If your DK is outclassed why are you playing it in pvp? There are plenty of DKs out there who don’t have issues killing NBs or sorcs, which leads me to believe they’re doing something right, and you aren’t.
It's ok. I'm going to finish my stamblade. I will join you soon.
my stream rant about nightblades is a nightly thing. their group utility needs to be buffed, and their single-target kill and mitigate potential needs to be decreased.
having a class that's really OP in Xv1 and 1v1 situations, but really underpowered in group vs group fights that occur at a higher level is not balance. Trading OP in one situation for UP in another situation is not balance. It's the exact opposite.
If ever class is OP.. then are they actually OP?
NBs are only Stam class that doesn’t have to sacrifice dmg to run a defile. Getting incapped is much worse than being subjected to other classes’ abilities in a 1vX situation.
I mean, except for everybody slotting reverb because they're already running S&B on backbar
You people focus way too much on Incap. How many times did you people die to Soul Harvest after they fixed the undodgeable bug? That's what fighting a NB will be like next patch. Incap is the least of your worries at this point.
You’re getting soul harvest mixed up with the base morph.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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No one said that please post to where I said that.Do you know what you posted in your OP?You said stamblades are the only stam class that doesn't have to sacrifice damage to get major defile.S&B is less damage than other weapons type.A warden doesn't have to use S&B which means they don't lose a damage from having to slot S&B.Ragnarock41 wrote: »
Wardens have a AOE major defile.They don't sacrifice anything for it a NB have to at least use it in a ultimate. Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.
Every class is really op in Xv1 situations.Templars BOL people you about to kill and POTL you so the group damage is stacked on you.Magsorc stacking curses and rune cage.Nb mark and multiple debuffs.DK stuns and immobilization. Every class is OP in Xv1.Its how ESO works.Arkangeloski wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Arkangeloski wrote: »I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.
If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.
Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.
Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.
Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.
And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.
It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.
Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.
I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.
But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”
This guy is delusional... go spam rune cage from an inner keep wall from 40 meters away, or even better! Go do bg's spam rune cage and execute and steal kills all day everyday and go 30k 0d lol easy class my sitting muscle
@Thogard , is this how I look like when I miss your sarcasm? I hope not.
I just had a brain fart... I'm tired man
No you’re good, I think sNB is ridiculously OP and is going to be even more so after the next patch.
But don’t worry, I think mag sorc is pretty close behind.
I’ve watched your stream for about 30 minutes once. The entire time you were talking about how *** NB playstyle is... you call them ridiculously OP and then you go and group up with 4 DKs, who all dragon leap on groups of people and executioner them all.... just how trivial is that gameplay? If you are sick of nightblades cloaking away to reopen on you and you don’t want to slot the needed skills or potions to prevent that from happening, thats your problem. It tells me you’re either lazy or you want this game suited to YOUR playstyle.
You want to talk about trash nightblade players that use all 10 of their abilities slotted when all you do is wait for a leap and then execute. You can train a monkey to play your character.
DK leap needs to get toned down just as much as incap. Your ultimate does decent damage, but the utility it comes with it stupid. Gap closer, CC, damage, reduced cost and/or damage shield.
Is incap change a nerf...? I don’t really care either way. It probably won’t change my gameplay at all. I’m fine with it. We didn’t get any buffs but for some reason, the community thinks so and all you see on the forum the past few days is NB OP nerf them, nerf that... sorc this... its a bunch of mind numbing BS simply because there is some changes happening and people just absolutely have to get their voice heard. Its starting to look like facebook on here.
If your DK is outclassed why are you playing it in pvp? There are plenty of DKs out there who don’t have issues killing NBs or sorcs, which leads me to believe they’re doing something right, and you aren’t.
It's ok. I'm going to finish my stamblade. I will join you soon.
my stream rant about nightblades is a nightly thing. their group utility needs to be buffed, and their single-target kill and mitigate potential needs to be decreased.
having a class that's really OP in Xv1 and 1v1 situations, but really underpowered in group vs group fights that occur at a higher level is not balance. Trading OP in one situation for UP in another situation is not balance. It's the exact opposite.
If ever class is OP.. then are they actually OP?
NBs are only Stam class that doesn’t have to sacrifice dmg to run a defile. Getting incapped is much worse than being subjected to other classes’ abilities in a 1vX situation.
''Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.''
Yeah buddy, I'll also prefer losing %50 of my healing plus taking %20 more damage and eating a stun, compared to just eating a stun. It just seems like the logical think to eat more debuffs for free.
Like. Totally logical. They should kick gilliam and hire you instead.
Don’t forget that apparently the warden AOE defile now hits harder than incap too. I’m learning a lot today.
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If you losing 50% of your health from incap you need to work on your build im sorry i run well fitted impreg never been hit for health my health on my stamblade or sorc.Heavy stamplar and warden never had that issue either.Rune cage stops me in my tracks and force me to eat damage.I can at least at times dodge incap.Ragnarock41 wrote: »
Wardens have a AOE major defile.They don't sacrifice anything for it a NB have to at least use it in a ultimate. Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.
Every class is really op in Xv1 situations.Templars BOL people you about to kill and POTL you so the group damage is stacked on you.Magsorc stacking curses and rune cage.Nb mark and multiple debuffs.DK stuns and immobilization. Every class is OP in Xv1.Its how ESO works.Arkangeloski wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Arkangeloski wrote: »I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.
If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.
Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.
Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.
Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.
And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.
It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.
Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.
I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.
But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”
This guy is delusional... go spam rune cage from an inner keep wall from 40 meters away, or even better! Go do bg's spam rune cage and execute and steal kills all day everyday and go 30k 0d lol easy class my sitting muscle
@Thogard , is this how I look like when I miss your sarcasm? I hope not.
I just had a brain fart... I'm tired man
No you’re good, I think sNB is ridiculously OP and is going to be even more so after the next patch.
But don’t worry, I think mag sorc is pretty close behind.
I’ve watched your stream for about 30 minutes once. The entire time you were talking about how *** NB playstyle is... you call them ridiculously OP and then you go and group up with 4 DKs, who all dragon leap on groups of people and executioner them all.... just how trivial is that gameplay? If you are sick of nightblades cloaking away to reopen on you and you don’t want to slot the needed skills or potions to prevent that from happening, thats your problem. It tells me you’re either lazy or you want this game suited to YOUR playstyle.
You want to talk about trash nightblade players that use all 10 of their abilities slotted when all you do is wait for a leap and then execute. You can train a monkey to play your character.
DK leap needs to get toned down just as much as incap. Your ultimate does decent damage, but the utility it comes with it stupid. Gap closer, CC, damage, reduced cost and/or damage shield.
Is incap change a nerf...? I don’t really care either way. It probably won’t change my gameplay at all. I’m fine with it. We didn’t get any buffs but for some reason, the community thinks so and all you see on the forum the past few days is NB OP nerf them, nerf that... sorc this... its a bunch of mind numbing BS simply because there is some changes happening and people just absolutely have to get their voice heard. Its starting to look like facebook on here.
If your DK is outclassed why are you playing it in pvp? There are plenty of DKs out there who don’t have issues killing NBs or sorcs, which leads me to believe they’re doing something right, and you aren’t.
It's ok. I'm going to finish my stamblade. I will join you soon.
my stream rant about nightblades is a nightly thing. their group utility needs to be buffed, and their single-target kill and mitigate potential needs to be decreased.
having a class that's really OP in Xv1 and 1v1 situations, but really underpowered in group vs group fights that occur at a higher level is not balance. Trading OP in one situation for UP in another situation is not balance. It's the exact opposite.
If ever class is OP.. then are they actually OP?
NBs are only Stam class that doesn’t have to sacrifice dmg to run a defile. Getting incapped is much worse than being subjected to other classes’ abilities in a 1vX situation.
''Yea I'll much rather be incapped in a 1vx than rune cage.''
Yeah buddy, I'll also prefer losing %50 of my healing plus taking %20 more damage and eating a stun, compared to just eating a stun. It just seems like the logical thing, Man , you pro 1vX'ers are really good at math.
Like. Totally logical. They should kick gilliam and hire you instead.
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