Stamblades of the Realm, how do you cope with the Incap change?

Vapirko

Lol at all these NB tears. I’m so sorry that your super strong ultimate that costs the least of any ultimate and also provides major defile for 6 seconds even though everything else only provides 4 seconds and also gives you a 20% damage buff now requires brains to access the stun. L2P.

Micah_Bayer

Vietfox wrote: »

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.

If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.

Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.

Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.

Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.

And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.

It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.

Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.

I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.

But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”

Dude, you sound like you got rekt MANY times by NBs, i would check my skills if i were you.
Have i ever been rekt by them? Yes, as a NB or as any other class, but nothing crazy which made me feel that NB class was extremely overperforming. I've also avoided to be killed by other nbs cause i know every detail of that class and how to counter it.
You should play as a NB for a while and see by yourself how wrong you are. You would also get a better knowledge of how the class works by playing it and probably avoid getting rekt by them as well.
PS: i got way more kills/killing blows as a sorc than as a nb.

You would get more kb as a sorc...but I bet you are not the one who got them in execute range

Wut? XD

You can spam execute and get kills. Sorc has the best killing execute in the game. They are kill stealers. They are not op

thankyourat

The stamblades that are left are about to switch to mag sorc.

callen4492

This is funny sitting back and watching the two classes (stamblade and magsorc) that get the most hate for being OP argue back and forth about who is more OP. "Your class is easier! No! Your class is easier!" Meanwhile, my mag dk just got a really nice boost!

Sun7dance

Vapirko wrote: »

Lol at all these NB tears. I’m so sorry that your super strong ultimate that costs the least of any ultimate and also provides major defile for 6 seconds even though everything else only provides 4 seconds and also gives you a 20% damage buff now requires brains to access the stun. L2P.

Actually Incap costs 140 Ult in real, maybe even more.
If you had understood the game, you would know that as well.

jaws343

I don't necessarily rely on Incap for the stun. But If I want to use the stun I may slot a Malevolent Offering morph to decrease my health slightly before landing an incap combo. Or craft a Stamina/Weapon damage potion with ravage health on it. Pop the potion to increase damage and take a bit of health damage to lower my health % and then hit with incap combo.

The potion option is probably the better one since it doesn't require wasting a skill slot and it actually provides a usefulness for the Snakeblood alchemy passive.

Vietfox

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.

If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.

Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.

Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.

Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.

And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.

It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.

Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.

I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.

But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”

Dude, you sound like you got rekt MANY times by NBs, i would check my skills if i were you.
Have i ever been rekt by them? Yes, as a NB or as any other class, but nothing crazy which made me feel that NB class was extremely overperforming. I've also avoided to be killed by other nbs cause i know every detail of that class and how to counter it.
You should play as a NB for a while and see by yourself how wrong you are. You would also get a better knowledge of how the class works by playing it and probably avoid getting rekt by them as well.
PS: i got way more kills/killing blows as a sorc than as a nb.

You would get more kb as a sorc...but I bet you are not the one who got them in execute range

Wut? XD

You can spam execute and get kills. Sorc has the best killing execute in the game. They are kill stealers. They are not op

I said kbs AND kills, the curse rune combo is just crazy

KingJ

Thogard wrote: »

I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.

If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.

Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.

Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.

Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.

And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.

It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.

Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.

I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.

But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”

Who hurt you.

Vietfox

Vapirko wrote: »

Lol at all these NB tears. I’m so sorry that your super strong ultimate that costs the least of any ultimate and also provides major defile for 6 seconds even though everything else only provides 4 seconds and also gives you a 20% damage buff now requires brains to access the stun. L2P.

NB tears? I've seen more sorc tears in this NB thread than NB tears
PS: brain to acces the stun? Different alternatives have been explained already in the very 1st page. L2Read

JobooAGS

Vapirko wrote: »

Lol at all these NB tears. I’m so sorry that your super strong ultimate that costs the least of any ultimate and also provides major defile for 6 seconds even though everything else only provides 4 seconds and also gives you a 20% damage buff now requires brains to access the stun. L2P.

I don't mind the change, even if the stun was removed entirely (but something else would have to happen otherwise I would remorph to soul harvest)

KingJ

ItsNebula wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Now you gotta actually strategize a little instead of mindlessly pushing buttons and win

This is the nightblade thread, not the magsorc one.

This is what a GOOD MagSorc thinks about all the time *Ok shields are almost done i have to re-apply, ok i see a burst window, my frags are ready, are my shields still good for another 2-3 seconds? If my shields are down, im vulnerable to be killed easily.. Swap bars and light attack, i got 5 seconds to burst him down, curse, execute, rune cage, frag pop, force pulse execute, re apply shields i got 3 people on me now, streak away to get an advantage, reset the fight, i have sloads on me, need to streak away and heal up a little, re-apply shields, look for that burst window the second they're defenses are down and my frags are proced" etc.. NB.. "Ok incaps up, cloak, incap, SA, spin to win" Literally.... easiest class to play lmfao.

If you die to incap sa Spin to win you freakin suck.

Vapirko

Sun7dance wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Lol at all these NB tears. I’m so sorry that your super strong ultimate that costs the least of any ultimate and also provides major defile for 6 seconds even though everything else only provides 4 seconds and also gives you a 20% damage buff now requires brains to access the stun. L2P.

Actually Incap costs 140 Ult in real, maybe even more.
If you had understood the game, you would know that as well.

Spoken like a true stamblade lol. Keep the tears coming.

thankyourat

callen4492 wrote: »

This is funny sitting back and watching the two classes (stamblade and magsorc) that get the most hate for being OP argue back and forth about who is more OP. "Your class is easier! No! Your class is easier!" Meanwhile, my mag dk just got a really nice boost!

What makes it even more funny is that magsorcs and stamblades are the same exact players they just switch to whichever is stronger or popular at the time.

Ender1310

No matter what anyone says I still feel that the learning curve for the NB is one of the steepest if not the steepest of all the classes available. Maybe you guys are right and they are op but you can't just mash buttons and be op. I have every single class in the game and the easiest of them all is the sorc.

This is not about what I like or don't like sorcs are easiest to gear out/plan out defense for. The are the easiest to play and set up burst. 40 meters away haunting meteor rune cage frag. straight sauce that works 90% of the time.

Stam NB's have to be in melee range to do all that above mentioned cloak stun defile crap. It hits hard but has no place in the open battle field. It has a niche. Not good at everything.

Ender1310

And what are you talking about the sorc wasn't the one to get you within execute range. Read the above mentioned combo. Nobody eats that and just shrugs it off.

PhoenixGrey

thankyourat wrote: »

The stamblades that are left are about to switch to mag sorc.

Good. There are 3+ sload dots waiting for you. Defensively, sorcs right now are literally the weakest they have even been

kaithuzar

Im just going to leave this here:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/424480/magic-damage-cc-non-existence/p1?new=1

KingJ

thankyourat wrote: »

callen4492 wrote: »

This is funny sitting back and watching the two classes (stamblade and magsorc) that get the most hate for being OP argue back and forth about who is more OP. "Your class is easier! No! Your class is easier!" Meanwhile, my mag dk just got a really nice boost!

What makes it even more funny is that magsorcs and stamblades are the same exact players they just switch to whichever is stronger or popular at the time.

Very true ik alot of players who switch back and forth.I remember when BG we mainly nB rune cage got buff and they all switched to sorc.BG are full of full sorc teams.

Sevn

Gotta love non nbs answering a question for nbs lol.

Ot: I switched to magsorc.

rfennell_ESO

Nyladreas wrote: »

Title.

Dawnbreaker of smiting isn't a bad option.

Sun7dance

Vapirko wrote: »

Sun7dance wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Lol at all these NB tears. I’m so sorry that your super strong ultimate that costs the least of any ultimate and also provides major defile for 6 seconds even though everything else only provides 4 seconds and also gives you a 20% damage buff now requires brains to access the stun. L2P.

Actually Incap costs 140 Ult in real, maybe even more.
If you had understood the game, you would know that as well.

Spoken like a true stamblade lol. Keep the tears coming.

If you had read this thread, you would have found this:

Sun7dance wrote: »

Actually i really don't need the stun. Most of the times players can not be stunned anyway.
With a Dot build you don't care about the missing stun (ok, maybe the passive of DW).

Besides you still have mass hysteria and cloak + surprise attack.

All in all this change is the slightest evil in my eyes.

Maybe you can show me the tears?

Sun7dance

Ender1310 wrote: »

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Stam NB's have to be in melee range to do all that above mentioned cloak stun defile crap. It hits hard but has no place in the open battle field. It has a niche. Not good at everything.

That's exactly what many players ignore.
Melee is much harder to play in PvP. On Range your hit zone is much more easier to manage.
Also under consideration there is lag and some asynchrony.

On a Stamblade most of your skills have 5m range. It often happens that on your screen your target is close enough but the asynchrony says "No, sorry!" and you can't hit.
On a range character you would hit anyway!

Vietfox

Sun7dance wrote: »

Ender1310 wrote: »

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Stam NB's have to be in melee range to do all that above mentioned cloak stun defile crap. It hits hard but has no place in the open battle field. It has a niche. Not good at everything.

That's exactly what many players ignore.
Melee is much harder to play in PvP. On Range your hit zone is much more easier to manage.
Also under consideration there is lag and some asynchrony.

On a Stamblade most of your skills have 5m range. It often happens that on your screen your target is close enough but the asynchrony says "No, sorry!" and you can't hit.
On a range character you would hit anyway!

I can't tell how many times i had to spam R (incap/soul) till it actually worked. You can hear the sound but you get to hit them at the 10th try sometimes xD

arkansas_ESO

...live with it? Lol. Incap didn't have a guaranteed stun for the longest and NBs got along just fine. There's way more pressing issues with the NB toolkit than this.

Priyasekarssk

thankyourat wrote: »

The stamblades that are left are about to switch to mag sorc.

Anyone in light armor is easy cheese waiting to get killed , unless someone around to help. Need more preys. Please dont comment in forums that are not going to happen. Make magic sorc character .

usmguy1234

thankyourat wrote: »

callen4492 wrote: »

This is funny sitting back and watching the two classes (stamblade and magsorc) that get the most hate for being OP argue back and forth about who is more OP. "Your class is easier! No! Your class is easier!" Meanwhile, my mag dk just got a really nice boost!

What makes it even more funny is that magsorcs and stamblades are the same exact players they just switch to whichever is stronger or popular at the time.

There is a person by your name on Xbox that runs an argonian magblade that's tanky as hell and hits like a truck. They hit me for half health with a light attack on my magplar.

Grimhallow

@Thogard

I think they should have left the stun as-is, completely removed the defile, and buffed other class ults (in particular offensive ults for templar, stam sorc, and warden). It's not too late! Speak out now xD

Durham

Vietfox wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

I guess they’ll just have to learn how to be extremely OP rather than gamebreaking OP.

If they really need the stun they could slot DBOS like literally every other Stam class does. But who are we kidding.

Every non-AOE defile in the game got nerfed except for incap. Incap is now the ONLY defile in the game that will keep someone defiled for the duration of their CC immunity, meaning the NB is the ONLY Stam class that has had its defile / burst window not changed.

Relatively speaking, NB will be stronger next patch than it is now.

Cloaking away for 3s until that reverb defile is gone? Such a high skill cap lol.

And now NBs can cloak out of sloads.

It boggles my mind that a class could be this easy to play for casual gamers who don’t want to fight outnumbered. Is it weak when outnumbered compared to some of the other Stam classes? Yes. But that’s not balance, that’s just poor game design.

Incap needed to have group utility added to it and it’s cost increased significantly. Instead we got this “who’s hp is higher BS” which was not the direction they should’ve gone.

I mean it’s a good thing NBs don’t have a way to lower their HP in the short term while receiving a benefit from it later on.... oh wait.

But hey, at least there’s still a class for all the bad players to play and stay relevant. Just remember the stamblade motto: “For the people who just can’t seem to stay alive long enough to get a kill while playing mag sorc, don’t worry - sNB is here for you.”

Dude, you sound like you got rekt MANY times by NBs, i would check my skills if i were you.
Have i ever been rekt by them? Yes, as a NB or as any other class, but nothing crazy which made me feel that NB class was extremely overperforming. I've also avoided to be killed by other nbs cause i know every detail of that class and how to counter it.
You should play as a NB for a while and see by yourself how wrong you are. You would also get a better knowledge of how the class works by playing it and probably avoid getting rekt by them as well.
PS: i got way more kills/killing blows as a sorc than as a nb.

lol

Gilvoth

these sorcerers and nightblade haters took Months and Months to make Hundreds of forum posts and hundreds of threads targetting and attempting to remove the incap and stun and also stealth and invisibility, i and 2 other people have been here trying

every

single

day

to stop these nightblade haters from weakening and destroying the abilities we nightblades have, and you expect 1 thread and a few posts are going to be heard and listened to ?
they now also have the support of class representatives that also hate nightblades.

it is time to face the reality that the nightblade class is in serious trouble, and there is nothing we can do about it.

Strider__Roshin

I'm going to do just fine. This will increase the skill ceiling; which is a good thing.