[Class Rep] Dragonknight Feedback Thread

Beffagorn

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Tldr: is Stam DK better or worse after Murkmire?

Nothing really changed that makes any difference.

Ragnarock41

Beffagorn wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Tldr: is Stam DK better or worse after Murkmire?

Nothing really changed that makes any difference.

except speed pots got nerfed. FM got nerfed.

Lord_Eomer

My experience with DK,

I feel fool fighting them, I have to go away. why?

1. ZOS managed to get rid of powerful shields and dodge chance then why giving something powerful "Reflection" to DK?
2. Sorcerer were nerf down to ground, Fossilize a definate kill utility; just spam whip then Talons and then again Fossilize
3. May be only class that spam Heavy Armor in PVP, every 2nd DK running heavy armor. None other class make bad use of Heavy Armor in PVP like DK "Unkillables"

BG are most affected due to this, DK are just winners for Capture Relic or Chaos Ball. They reflect almost 70% wihtout taking any damage

@Tasear , please look into above feedback.

Tasear

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

My experience with DK,

I feel fool fighting them, I have to go away. why?

1. ZOS managed to get rid of powerful shields and dodge chance then why giving something powerful "Reflection" to DK?
2. Sorcerer were nerf down to ground, Fossilize a definate kill utility, just spam whip and then talons and then again Fossilize
3. May be class that spam Heavy Armor in PVP, every 2nd DK running heavy armor. None other class make bad use of Heavy Armor in PVP like DK. "Unkillables"

BG are most affected due to this, DK are just winners for Capture Relic or Chaos Basll they reflect almost 70% wihtout taking any damage

@Tasear , please look into above feedback.

Understood

JasonWangTaiwan

Well most dk beat up by DW bleed builds, you think they are winning relic and chaos ball because they don’t need to move around.
I am sure we are playing different game because I wear heavy armor and I am sure dk heavy armor build isn’t that strong in current BG.

IZZEFlameLash

Tasear wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

My experience with DK,

I feel fool fighting them, I have to go away. why?

1. ZOS managed to get rid of powerful shields and dodge chance then why giving something powerful "Reflection" to DK?
2. Sorcerer were nerf down to ground, Fossilize a definate kill utility, just spam whip and then talons and then again Fossilize
3. May be class that spam Heavy Armor in PVP, every 2nd DK running heavy armor. None other class make bad use of Heavy Armor in PVP like DK. "Unkillables"

BG are most affected due to this, DK are just winners for Capture Relic or Chaos Basll they reflect almost 70% wihtout taking any damage

@Tasear , please look into above feedback.

Understood

Shield nerf was silly but you also know this is not really true. MDKs cannot sustain in HA, stam in general is just better in HA due to sets. Not because it's a DK in stam spec.

Taking away CC from DK = class useless for anything.

Reflect is fine.

Lord_Eomer

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

My experience with DK,

I feel fool fighting them, I have to go away. why?

1. ZOS managed to get rid of powerful shields and dodge chance then why giving something powerful "Reflection" to DK?
2. Sorcerer were nerf down to ground, Fossilize a definate kill utility, just spam whip and then talons and then again Fossilize
3. May be class that spam Heavy Armor in PVP, every 2nd DK running heavy armor. None other class make bad use of Heavy Armor in PVP like DK. "Unkillables"

BG are most affected due to this, DK are just winners for Capture Relic or Chaos Basll they reflect almost 70% wihtout taking any damage

@Tasear , please look into above feedback.

Understood

Shield nerf was silly but you also know this is not really true. MDKs cannot sustain in HA, stam in general is just better in HA due to sets. Not because it's a DK in stam spec.

Taking away CC from DK = class useless for anything.

Reflect is fine.

Many MDK are running heavy too, they are currently strongest in PVP for magicka class.

Reflection is not fine, magicka players are suffering from 80%-90% uptime reflection in BG, they simply win Capture the Relic and Chaos Ball. Magicka feels fool attacking them. Cloak and Streak never works while carrying chaos ball or relic then why Reflection works?

Even in BG death match they outperform most of class, its currently full of DK everywhere.

The_Camper

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Many MDK are running heavy too, they are currently strongest in PVP for magicka class.

Lmao. Magplars and Magblades are laughing from their respective corners. are you playing the same game as rest of us?

Lord_Eomer

The_Camper wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Many MDK are running heavy too, they are currently strongest in PVP for magicka class.

Lmao. Magplars and Magblades are laughing from their respective corners. are you playing the same game as rest of us?

Highly doubt that, I only play BG (for leader board) and hardly seeing MNB but yes Magplar are out there in every group with DK

ZOS will for sure collect statistics from game, no need for me to go in arguments or prove anything!

Thank You,

IZZEFlameLash

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

The_Camper wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Many MDK are running heavy too, they are currently strongest in PVP for magicka class.

Lmao. Magplars and Magblades are laughing from their respective corners. are you playing the same game as rest of us?

Highly doubt that, I only play BG (for leader board) and hardly seeing MNB but yes Magplar are out there in every group with DK

ZOS will for sure collect statistics from game, no need for me to go in arguments or prove anything!

Thank You,

MDKs running HA? If they kill you with that set up, that's really on you. Are you sure it is not them running HA outfit over LA like I do with almost all my magicka chars?

Xvorg

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

My experience with DK,

I feel fool fighting them, I have to go away. why?

1. ZOS managed to get rid of powerful shields and dodge chance then why giving something powerful "Reflection" to DK?
2. Sorcerer were nerf down to ground, Fossilize a definate kill utility, just spam whip and then talons and then again Fossilize
3. May be class that spam Heavy Armor in PVP, every 2nd DK running heavy armor. None other class make bad use of Heavy Armor in PVP like DK. "Unkillables"

BG are most affected due to this, DK are just winners for Capture Relic or Chaos Basll they reflect almost 70% wihtout taking any damage

@Tasear , please look into above feedback.

Understood

Shield nerf was silly but you also know this is not really true. MDKs cannot sustain in HA, stam in general is just better in HA due to sets. Not because it's a DK in stam spec.

Taking away CC from DK = class useless for anything.

Reflect is fine.

Many MDK are running heavy too, they are currently strongest in PVP for magicka class.

Reflection is not fine, magicka players are suffering from 80%-90% uptime reflection in BG, they simply win Capture the Relic and Chaos Ball. Magicka feels fool attacking them. Cloak and Streak never works while carrying chaos ball or relic then why Reflection works?

Even in BG death match they outperform most of class, its currently full of DK everywhere.

As a mDK myself, I can tell you that killing a mDK it's easiest that it seems, you just have to learn how;:

1- On my mDK I just use a lit staff and laugh at them spamming wings. Wings is not the "OP skill many people think it is, you just need to move away from your regular "I kill this guy throwing granades at him". That implies loooking for alternatives. If you try once and again to kill a wing spammer using projectiles, then the problem is not the skill, it is you.

2- On my sorc, which is a weird "arcane archer build" (she relies on elemental weapon) I use the good old combo of rune + mages fury + elemental weapon when they are not aware it comes. That's why I use a bow (arrows are harder to see than fireballs). If for some reason I use EW after the DK used wings, immediately I dodge roll. That's all.

More than half of the DKs in Cyro/BG are baddies that jumped into the DK hype after 3 years. Most people do not know how to fight them and that's why they seem stronger than they really are. If you see one of them, just burn him on melee or use crushing shock or the unreflectable class skills you have access.

Lord_Eomer

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

The_Camper wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Many MDK are running heavy too, they are currently strongest in PVP for magicka class.

Lmao. Magplars and Magblades are laughing from their respective corners. are you playing the same game as rest of us?

Highly doubt that, I only play BG (for leader board) and hardly seeing MNB but yes Magplar are out there in every group with DK

ZOS will for sure collect statistics from game, no need for me to go in arguments or prove anything!

Thank You,

MDKs running HA? If they kill you with that set up, that's really on you. Are you sure it is not them running HA outfit over LA like I do with almost all my magicka chars?

Not wanted to go in debate, I know DK enjoying easy win in BG and trying to defend.

Seducer still awesome set for DK to be in HA and combine with good sets to deliver great damage combo, cheap ultimate hits harder to deliver enough burs and wings reflect enough to secure winning in Chaos Ball and Capture Relic. In No CP DK outperforming other classes easily!

I agree, Mag DK are Tanky but not as much Stam DK.

Bashev

Inhale
This skill should be the mDK iconic skill. Right now it is too expensive. If you compare that skill to Warden's Scorch it deals 37% less damage and it is 66% more expensive. On top of that the warden skill provides penetration.

Igneous Weapons I find this skill to expensive (4320 Magicka). If I want to use it as a stamina player, I already have 4 skills for magicka burn (Wings, fosilize, gneous Shield and Spiked Armor).
Make the skill cost stamina 3888 Stamina. Then the helping hands passive will reduce it to 2898 stamina.

Stonefist
Total rework. That CC is not needed.

SaintSubwayy

Bashev wrote: »

Inhale
This skill should be the mDK iconic skill. Right now it is too expensive. If you compare that skill to Warden's Scorch it deals 37% less damage and it is 66% more expensive. On top of that the warden skill provides penetration.

Igneous Weapons I find this skill to expensive (4320 Magicka). If I want to use it as a stamina player, I already have 4 skills for magicka burn (Wings, fosilize, gneous Shield and Spiked Armor).
Make the skill cost stamina 3888 Stamina. Then the helping hands passive will reduce it to 2898 stamina.

Stonefist
Total rework. That CC is not needed.

Inhale is not just too expensive...
Draw Essence, is probably the most underused magdk Skill (moorph).
The time between the sap and the explosion is IMO too long (for both morphs), the Magicka gained back should not take into consideration how many ppl you hit with the explosion, but how many ppl you draw from.
Furthermore, the skill should DRAW the essence from the enemy, and give it to you...a Magickasteal ability, which sets the enemy under pressure if he gets in range.

Igneous weapons should get 1 Morph changed, to increase you lightattack dmg by a flat ammount, and you heavyattackdmg by another flat ammount.
This would help DK's to gain on other meele DD's in a raidsetup in terms of DPS....if its strong enough to beeing slotted on a DD...which im not certain atm.
Stam prob more viable than mag, but mag can maybe dropp engulfing then (which doesnt bring that much DPS anyways atm)

Stonefist...well no idea how to go with that skill, its a niche ranged knockdown, but DK isnt really ranged sooo jeah rework into something usefull pls

Xvorg

Bashev wrote: »

Inhale
This skill should be the mDK iconic skill. Right now it is too expensive. If you compare that skill to Warden's Scorch it deals 37% less damage and it is 66% more expensive. On top of that the warden skill provides penetration.

Igneous Weapons I find this skill to expensive (4320 Magicka). If I want to use it as a stamina player, I already have 4 skills for magicka burn (Wings, fosilize, gneous Shield and Spiked Armor).
Make the skill cost stamina 3888 Stamina. Then the helping hands passive will reduce it to 2898 stamina.

Stonefist
Total rework. That CC is not needed.

Igneous should be a stam morph imho

Xvorg

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Inhale
This skill should be the mDK iconic skill. Right now it is too expensive. If you compare that skill to Warden's Scorch it deals 37% less damage and it is 66% more expensive. On top of that the warden skill provides penetration.

Igneous Weapons I find this skill to expensive (4320 Magicka). If I want to use it as a stamina player, I already have 4 skills for magicka burn (Wings, fosilize, gneous Shield and Spiked Armor).
Make the skill cost stamina 3888 Stamina. Then the helping hands passive will reduce it to 2898 stamina.

Stonefist
Total rework. That CC is not needed.

Inhale is not just too expensive...
Draw Essence, is probably the most underused magdk Skill (moorph).
The time between the sap and the explosion is IMO too long (for both morphs), the Magicka gained back should not take into consideration how many ppl you hit with the explosion, but how many ppl you draw from.
Furthermore, the skill should DRAW the essence from the enemy, and give it to you...a Magickasteal ability, which sets the enemy under pressure if he gets in range.

Igneous weapons should get 1 Morph changed, to increase you lightattack dmg by a flat ammount, and you heavyattackdmg by another flat ammount.
This would help DK's to gain on other meele DD's in a raidsetup in terms of DPS....if its strong enough to beeing slotted on a DD...which im not certain atm.
Stam prob more viable than mag, but mag can maybe dropp engulfing then (which doesnt bring that much DPS anyways atm)

Stonefist...well no idea how to go with that skill, its a niche ranged knockdown, but DK isnt really ranged sooo jeah rework into something usefull pls

Stonefist is just bad... even compared with shock reach it brings nothing to DKs. At least shock reach has a dot associated

SaintSubwayy

Xvorg wrote: »

Igneous should be a stam morph imho

Actually they can make 1 stam, and 1 magicka Morph, no problem.

Remove major Sorcery from Eruptive Weapons, and add that light attacks deal 20% more dmg. and change costs to stamina.

Then you'd hae a morph for magicka, with the 40% heavyattack dmg, and Major Sorcery, and one for stamina.

(TBH every DD will still use the Stamina Morph, since 20% lightattackdmg are definetly worth slotting it)

Xvorg

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Igneous should be a stam morph imho

Actually they can make 1 stam, and 1 magicka Morph, no problem.

Remove major Sorcery from Eruptive Weapons, and add that light attacks deal 20% more dmg. and change costs to stamina.

Then you'd hae a morph for magicka, with the 40% heavyattack dmg, and Major Sorcery, and one for stamina.

(TBH every DD will still use the Stamina Morph, since 20% lightattackdmg are definetly worth slotting it)

IDK... I like the HA morph

SaintSubwayy

Xvorg wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Igneous should be a stam morph imho

Actually they can make 1 stam, and 1 magicka Morph, no problem.

Remove major Sorcery from Eruptive Weapons, and add that light attacks deal 20% more dmg. and change costs to stamina.

Then you'd hae a morph for magicka, with the 40% heavyattack dmg, and Major Sorcery, and one for stamina.

(TBH every DD will still use the Stamina Morph, since 20% lightattackdmg are definetly worth slotting it)

IDK... I like the HA morph

soo maybe 1 for both major buffs, and the other for light and heavyattack buffs, so you'd have to decide

jcm2606

While I do think the Major Brutality morph needs to be adjusted to become more viable for stamDK, I don't think straight changing it to a stamina ability is the answer, especially if it would have a light attack buff attached to it.

My suggestion would be to have it grant Major Sorcery and Major Brutality for 33 seconds (about 40 with the Eternal Mountain passive), however it only grants them to yourself, nobody else, and it grants the light attack buff.

The reason why this skill costs so much magicka is because it is a group utility skill. It grants both Major buffs to everybody nearby, and so needs a steep cost to keep it in line. By having a selfish morph, only granting both Major buffs to yourself, the magicka cost can be reduced significantly, which makes it more viable for both stamina and magicka.

A group-oriented DK can pick Molten, but a selfish DK can pick Igneous.

Banana

Get rid of all magic damage from our skills. Poison or fire. Why magic

Xarc

Just want to say; nobody is using standard ultimate in pvp.

too much expansive.

Flame_of_Hades

Xarcus wrote: »

Just want to say; nobody is using standard ultimate in pvp.

too much expansive.

I am. It feels so good to drop that ult and go "what now?! this is my house!" and watch them panic trying to get out of the fiery ring of death.

on the other hand, this is only used as an opener, because when your sustain is tied to ults, it is very hard to save up that much ult...

SaintSubwayy

Banana wrote: »

Get rid of all magic damage from our skills. Poison or fire. Why magic

Have agree here...magicdmg ok a dk which is heavily optimized towards firedmg is kind of a no brainer

Adeshal

Xarcus wrote: »

Just want to say; nobody is using standard ultimate in pvp.

too much expansive.

Shifting Standard is not that bad.

Xvorg

Xarcus wrote: »

Just want to say; nobody is using standard ultimate in pvp.

too much expansive.

actually, all classes have 3 types of dmg:

NB = Disease - Physical - Magical
Sorc= Shock - Physical - Magical
Templar= Physical - Magical- Flame
Warden= Physical - Cold - Magical
DK= Magical- Flame - Poison (Physical on Take flight)

Imho magical dmg is way better than poison and poison compared to physical is crap. I don't even get why do DKs have poison dmg having an entire crafting line and mats dedicated to poison.

Bashev

Xvorg wrote: »

Xarcus wrote: »

Just want to say; nobody is using standard ultimate in pvp.

too much expansive.

actually, all classes have 3 types of dmg:

NB = Disease - Physical - Magical
Sorc= Shock - Physical - Magical
Templar= Physical - Magical- Flame
Warden= Physical - Cold - Magical
DK= Magical- Flame - Poison (Physical on Take flight)

Imho magical dmg is way better than poison and poison compared to physical is crap. I don't even get why do DKs have poison dmg having an entire crafting line and mats dedicated to poison.

I really dislike that puke Noxious Breath. But as I am a PvPer I dont know how useful is for the PvE. So I just dont slot that skill. BTW Wardens got a really nice poison damage Subterranean Assault. I will take that

Xvorg

Bashev wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Xarcus wrote: »

Just want to say; nobody is using standard ultimate in pvp.

too much expansive.

actually, all classes have 3 types of dmg:

NB = Disease - Physical - Magical
Sorc= Shock - Physical - Magical
Templar= Physical - Magical- Flame
Warden= Physical - Cold - Magical
DK= Magical- Flame - Poison (Physical on Take flight)

Imho magical dmg is way better than poison and poison compared to physical is crap. I don't even get why do DKs have poison dmg having an entire crafting line and mats dedicated to poison.

I really dislike that puke Noxious Breath. But as I am a PvPer I dont know how useful is for the PvE. So I just dont slot that skill. BTW Wardens got a really nice poison damage Subterranean Assault. I will take that

Didn't know SA (developers should get more creative with their names, SA can be like 5 different things), was poison. So maybe we could change claw to a bleed... I mean if a dragon uss it's claws I doubt they'd just poison

kojou

Xvorg wrote: »

Xarcus wrote: »

Just want to say; nobody is using standard ultimate in pvp.

too much expansive.

actually, all classes have 3 types of dmg:

NB = Disease - Physical - Magical
Sorc= Shock - Physical - Magical
Templar= Physical - Magical- Flame
Warden= Physical - Cold - Magical
DK= Magical- Flame - Poison (Physical on Take flight)

Imho magical dmg is way better than poison and poison compared to physical is crap. I don't even get why do DKs have poison dmg having an entire crafting line and mats dedicated to poison.

Why is magic damage better than poison? At least poison can proc a status effect.

IMHO Magic damage and physical damage are the worst. They don't proc any effects. They are just generic damage.

Personally I would love to see physical damage proc a status (bleed, bruising, whatever), and then turn "magic" damage into either fire, frost, or shock. I always thought the concept of "magic" damage was boring.

As for DKs in general, I actually like the idea of the poison knight. It would be kinda fun if they took the idea a little farther and gave a passive that turned all DK physical damage into poison, so we could just go all in with Morag Tong etc.

BlackMadara

Bashev wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Xarcus wrote: »

Just want to say; nobody is using standard ultimate in pvp.

too much expansive.

actually, all classes have 3 types of dmg:

NB = Disease - Physical - Magical
Sorc= Shock - Physical - Magical
Templar= Physical - Magical- Flame
Warden= Physical - Cold - Magical
DK= Magical- Flame - Poison (Physical on Take flight)

Imho magical dmg is way better than poison and poison compared to physical is crap. I don't even get why do DKs have poison dmg having an entire crafting line and mats dedicated to poison.

I really dislike that puke Noxious Breath. But as I am a PvPer I dont know how useful is for the PvE. So I just dont slot that skill. BTW Wardens got a really nice poison damage Subterranean Assault. I will take that

It's not like anymore, now its green fire. Unless you are talking about the viability of the skill, then yes, its puke.

I think there are better ways to get fracture in pve.